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NFT: re: Nets: What would y'all think of trading Irving?

Leg of Theismann : 1/21/2021 9:51 pm
Let me preface this with the note that I know nothing about the financial implications of trading Kyrie Irving. If it's completely stupid from that perspective, please enlighten me.

I know we have a very tiny sample size of games (literally 1 game with all three superstars playing together), but Harden and Durant looked pretty damn good together. I also think those two guys are more mature than Irving and I could see the two of them both putting up huge numbers, winning games, and having great chemistry together with no problems. Throw Irving into the mix and it seems like the likelihood of problems becomes greater (because KD and Harden get the ball less AND Irving generally-speaking just seems to me to stir the pot in a negative fashion a bit more).

I'm not saying trade Irving for nothing. But... Why not trade Irving and get some defense? Start with KD and Harden combining to be a lethal offense by themselves, and then from there... There are better basketball minds than mine on this board who I'm sure could come up with a deal involving Irving that would greatly improve this team.

Just surprised I haven't seen a single person in the entire media mention this as a possibility since Harden got to Brooklyn. Was just wondering why.
Why not wait and see if the 3 of them can win it all now  
xman : 1/21/2021 10:01 pm : link
You can always trade him next year if things don't work out. interesting group .
Ever hear of a CAP?  
Carl in CT : 1/21/2021 10:20 pm : link
He makes a lot of cash. With his attitude and passion for missing games you would never get any value for him. That’s why.
pretty sure he will be there as long as KD wants him there  
Eric on Li : 1/21/2021 10:40 pm : link
or as long as the organization feels like he's not having a negative impact. I think he pushed things far enough last week that they felt added urgency to make the Harden deal. If he pushes further next time I don't think they'd hesitate to move him. But the challenge will be finding someone who will take the gamble on him potentially never showing up if he's pissed about the trade (which he undoubtedly would be).
Never Understood  
looie : 1/21/2021 11:14 pm : link
...why the Nets felt they needed 3 superstars. Two isn’t enough? Besides, this team plays terrible defense. Sure, try and trade Irving for guys who know how to play D but with his salary and temperament, I don’t think you’ll get many takers.
Irving's handle is amazing  
larryflower37 : 1/22/2021 1:08 am : link
And he is fun to watch.
Too bad he is such a enigma.
I wish he could get his head right and obviously stay healthy.
Would make no sense to trade him now.  
D-Rod : 1/22/2021 6:59 am : link
They have to see how the big 3 gel as they are all in to win a championship. They'll never be able to get the young but ready to contribute talent they gave up to get Harden by trading Irving. If they were just going to roll with a big 2 plus, they wouldn't have made the trade.
I really don’t think there’d be much of a trade market  
Dang Man : 1/22/2021 7:58 am : link
Or at least anything worthwhile for the Nets to consider. His ability to stay on the court is suspect. He’s missed 20+ games in 3 of the last 5 full seasons before this one, and he’s far less well rounded than a Harden type player (IMO KI is a pure scorer type). And he makes $32m to boot.

That all being said, hypothetically, if they could trade him for a good, defensive-minded big man with some moves down low and some bench help (maybe another slasher type who is tough on the ball and grabs some boards) then I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’m a Nets fan, but with this team as it’s constructed it wouldn’t surprise me if they implode in the playoffs and get bounced in the second round. They could also win the East, but I can’t see them beating a team like the Lakers.
RE: Would make no sense to trade him now.  
Dang Man : 1/22/2021 8:01 am : link
In comment 15130492 D-Rod said:
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They have to see how the big 3 gel as they are all in to win a championship. They'll never be able to get the young but ready to contribute talent they gave up to get Harden by trading Irving. If they were just going to roll with a big 2 plus, they wouldn't have made the trade.

I agree with your point re the youngsters.I think this team would’ve been more of a contender if they kept the young guys they gave up and were somehow able to swap KI for Harden.
nash is the issue and needs to grow  
hitdog42 : 1/22/2021 8:55 am : link
pre trade the nets struggled on defense when they didnt play Brown. Brown can be there Tony Allen- and he can shoot a little bit so he is not a total sag off and leave open.
if they start kyrie, brown, harden, durant, jordan.... and sub properly... they will both run teams out of the gym and also not exposure themselves defensively.
if they have kyrie guarding very good lead guards and brown on the bench all game.... they will let teams that are worse than them stay in every game because of defense.

its so obvious i find it appalling to even have to bring it up all the time---
RE: nash is the issue and needs to grow  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15130530 hitdog42 said:
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pre trade the nets struggled on defense when they didnt play Brown. Brown can be there Tony Allen- and he can shoot a little bit so he is not a total sag off and leave open.
if they start kyrie, brown, harden, durant, jordan.... and sub properly... they will both run teams out of the gym and also not exposure themselves defensively.
if they have kyrie guarding very good lead guards and brown on the bench all game.... they will let teams that are worse than them stay in every game because of defense.

its so obvious i find it appalling to even have to bring it up all the time---


Nash has not impressed at all. Obviously still only coached a dozen games or so, but he looks like a guy who has only coached a dozen games or so.
RE: nash is the issue and needs to grow  
Dang Man : 1/22/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15130530 hitdog42 said:
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pre trade the nets struggled on defense when they didnt play Brown. Brown can be there Tony Allen- and he can shoot a little bit so he is not a total sag off and leave open.
if they start kyrie, brown, harden, durant, jordan.... and sub properly... they will both run teams out of the gym and also not exposure themselves defensively.
if they have kyrie guarding very good lead guards and brown on the bench all game.... they will let teams that are worse than them stay in every game because of defense.

its so obvious i find it appalling to even have to bring it up all the time---

I don’t disagree but our bench is thin and guys like Jordan can really only give you quality minutes for half a game.
the bench isnt really that thin  
hitdog42 : 1/22/2021 12:28 pm : link
the rook has shown he can play good minutes at big
so you have green/rook at big
you have tlc at 3/4
shamet is good enough to play
brown/harris should be splitting minutes

its not a great bench with no din but you need to have defense on the court- that is brown, play the guy in partic when the other team has a good lead guard
Irving trade  
TyreeHelmet : 1/22/2021 12:35 pm : link
Even if the Nets wanted to, what could they possibly get for him? This isn’t to doubt or knock his talent, I just think it would be hard finding a team that would give up value while being able to make it work under the cap.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/22/2021 1:14 pm : link
I doubt a team would trade for him given his behavior of late.
I wanted the Knicks to sign him  
djm : 1/22/2021 3:43 pm : link
don't blame the Nets at all for signing him, especially with the Durant combo likely in effect. But flat earth is crazier than a shit house rat. Worse, he seems to not need or want the money. He just plays when he wants. From the NETS POV you just hope he wants to win another title and or Durant and the beard can get him to buy in at some point.

I don't see how you could even trade him and what you'd get back. He's more important to the Nets than any potential return you'd get. Who the hell is giving up anything significant for a guy that may not play...
RE: the bench isnt really that thin  
Dang Man : 1/22/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15130817 hitdog42 said:
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the rook has shown he can play good minutes at big
so you have green/rook at big
you have tlc at 3/4
shamet is good enough to play
brown/harris should be splitting minutes

its not a great bench with no din but you need to have defense on the court- that is brown, play the guy in partic when the other team has a good lead guard

Agree on Brown. Perry looks overwhelmed most of the time (he’s a rookie so not surprising, and Shamet has been totally underwhelming. Without Din they go about 8-9 deep at best, and most of the bench is inconsistent IMO. Maybe it clicks eventually, but the second unit doesn’t show any cohesion.
RE: Ever hear of a CAP?  
Leg of Theismann : 1/22/2021 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15130364 Carl in CT said:
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He makes a lot of cash. With his attitude and passion for missing games you would never get any value for him. That’s why.


Hence why I prefaced it in my first sentence with “I don’t know the financial implications.” I know he makes a ton of money but I figured his salary is commensurate with the fact that he’s a star in this league, and I figured there are teams who would love to bring some star power onto their team. That said, Kyrie I know is not a guy who can carry a team by himself, and if his salary is really not worth it in most teams’ minds then I see what you’re saying. I definitely would not want to trade him for nothing.

Part of me just figured if the big 3 does go downhill, And let’s say Irving WANTS to be traded (which he would have no problem voicing given his personality), then you’re definitely not going to get much for him in a deal— it takes away any leverage the nets might have in any possible deal.

So basically I was suggesting this because I’m selling stock on this big 3. I personally don’t think they’re going to work out as well as say: Durant + Harden + a great Big Man Defender + bench help (assuming we could get the matter 2 in a trade for Kyrie). So I’m thinking just do the deal now while the Nets maybe have a LITTLE leverage, instead of being backed in a corner when the entire league sees your little “ Big 3” experiment has failed. That’s all I was saying.
Latter* 2 in a trade  
Leg of Theismann : 1/22/2021 7:39 pm : link
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