because I think the cost would be (rightly) astronomical. I'm not getting excited by consistent first and second round exits with Beal and Randle. Just keep building from the ground up.
because I think the cost would be (rightly) astronomical. I'm not getting excited by consistent first and second round exits with Beal and Randle. Just keep building from the ground up.
But here is the thing, you still have max cap space to add to the team, you can add another star
Offers Ben Simmons for Beal then no on can compete but if no Simmons then there is no chance Philly can make a better offer than the Knicks or Pelicans who can make best offer. Fake Lawrence Taylor, I gave the other guys that I wanted Haliburton, Sexton, Booker. Wasnt just mitchell. The cost for players now a days in a trade is much higher than back then. This Is the cost for Beal. I think your underrating your Beal vs melo comparison. Beal is good in both sides of the ball and in my eyes a top 10 player on the league
Rj, Obi, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st and 24 1st is what it would look like
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
Rj, Obi, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st and 24 1st is what it would look like
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
But he wouldnt be added to nothing, and you still have room to add more..
RE: Obi has to get used to the speed and nuances of the NBA game
Right now he is reliant on someone setting him up, which is fine..
When he gets the ball he is not used to smaller guys being so strong and bigger guys being quick.
In college he got a little guy he took him into the paint and score, if he got a big on him he blew right by him..
In the NBA that is not always the case..
I think he will be fine, for the Knicks the biggest issue is point guard play
Good calls on all fronts. I didnt watch Toppin in college, but his mobility and wingspan are impressive. He is very similar to Amare in the way he moves.
RE: RE: Obi has to get used to the speed and nuances of the NBA game
Right now he is reliant on someone setting him up, which is fine..
When he gets the ball he is not used to smaller guys being so strong and bigger guys being quick.
In college he got a little guy he took him into the paint and score, if he got a big on him he blew right by him..
In the NBA that is not always the case..
I think he will be fine, for the Knicks the biggest issue is point guard play
Good calls on all fronts. I didnt watch Toppin in college, but his mobility and wingspan are impressive. He is very similar to Amare in the way he moves.
You're right, he does seem to move like Amare. I think he has less overall athleticism, but probably a chance to be a better shooter/natural scorer. Amare didn't start shooting from the outside right away, and Obi's already doing it.
Rj, Obi, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st and 24 1st is what it would look like
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
Look what it took for Harden. It'll be less than that but we have the picks to do it. We don't give up RJ either.
My guess is it'll be 3 1st rd picks, Burks and maybe Obi.
RE: RE: RE: Obi has to get used to the speed and nuances of the NBA game
Right now he is reliant on someone setting him up, which is fine..
When he gets the ball he is not used to smaller guys being so strong and bigger guys being quick.
In college he got a little guy he took him into the paint and score, if he got a big on him he blew right by him..
In the NBA that is not always the case..
I think he will be fine, for the Knicks the biggest issue is point guard play
Good calls on all fronts. I didnt watch Toppin in college, but his mobility and wingspan are impressive. He is very similar to Amare in the way he moves.
You're right, he does seem to move like Amare. I think he has less overall athleticism, but probably a chance to be a better shooter/natural scorer. Amare didn't start shooting from the outside right away, and Obi's already doing it.
See, thats where I disagree. Amare's body type and Obi's are almost identical. If obi is diligent about being able to onock down open jumpers, he is Amare Stoudamire pt deux...hopefully minus the injuries. But the guy can absolutely soar effortlessly.
There is some talk about Toppin being a trade piece instead of Randle....right now, after what Ive seen, you keep Toppin and trade Randle.
Rj, Obi, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st and 24 1st is what it would look like
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
Look what it took for Harden. It'll be less than that but we have the picks to do it. We don't give up RJ either.
My guess is it'll be 3 1st rd picks, Burks and maybe Obi.
Thats a hard no for me. Swap out Toppin for Randle or swap out one of the 1sts and we can talk. Toppin with Beal is better because Toppin is above the rim and wont dominate the ball.
And likely mid round 1st round picks should not hold you up dor wanting to get Beal. As mentioned you add Beal to this team with randle Mitch rj. I don’t see why they can’t be a top 4 team in the East. I think they are better than Boston and indiana. Nets Sixers and bucks are still better, but I can make a strong case that their staring 5 can compete with any of those teams not going to beat them in a long series but there competing and Beal would be the oldest guy in the starting line up at 27. Would still have a few first round picks over the next few years and plenty of seconds to try to get bench pieces and still have cap room.
Quickley or someone else free agent
Beal
RJ
Randle
Mitch
I know it’s a unlikely to get Beal but that starting 5 is competing and is a piece or 2 away from being a serious contender. I don’t think some people realize how good Beal is.
but I think it's very unlikely the Wiz have any interest in Obi. They just took Rui and gave big money to Bertans, who can basically both play only the 4.
Then there's Avidja, who plays the 3, which is RJ's natural position. Just not great fits there trade wise.
including Van Gundy, who think of Quickley as having star-level potential at pg. The main reason that he isn't playing more this year is that Payton, with all of his foibles, weak shoooting and turnovers, is part of a really strong defense. Opposing star pgs aren't having their way with him, and we are really are close to the top on most team defensive metrics.
I still want to see Quickley and Toppin get more PT and Payton and Randall get less (Julius needs more rest), but Thib's concept of putting together a winning mentality for a while before putting the kids out there more isn't a disaster.
Meanwhile, having a potential do-everything pg like quickley as a rookie is pretty exciting stuff, even if it is too early for him to blossom fully at pg after playing mostly the 2 at Kentucky.
including Van Gundy, who think of Quickley as having star-level potential at pg. The main reason that he isn't playing more this year is that Payton, with all of his foibles, weak shoooting and turnovers, is part of a really strong defense. Opposing star pgs aren't having their way with him, and we are really are close to the top on most team defensive metrics.
I still want to see Quickley and Toppin get more PT and Payton and Randall get less (Julius needs more rest), but Thib's concept of putting together a winning mentality for a while before putting the kids out there more isn't a disaster.
Meanwhile, having a potential do-everything pg like quickley as a rookie is pretty exciting stuff, even if it is too early for him to blossom fully at pg after playing mostly the 2 at Kentucky.
You bring up very good points, but a few just are off to me.
- I think Thibs is doing the wholesale line changes in an effort to get the younger guys on the floor to play naturally....not feeling pressured to get the ball to Randle or _______ I think that will start changing soon
- Payton definitely does a l9t of good out there. His ability to get to the rim and finish is very good. I dont notice the D you are referring to because I havent really seen him matched up on on ball guards too regularly. Seems to me thats Barrett primarily but I could be mistaken.
- I love Quickley. He just needs to slow down a bit. Just as Barrett and Knox take too long to get into a game, Quick is out like terrier. He is a revelation at that position for sure.
- Toppin has major league potential. Yes, he is older for a rookie, but his body is totally ready, he flies to the hoop, is very quick for his size and has made some plays on D already. I referenced Amare before...he is like a mix of Amare and Shawn Marion. People talk about him as the trade piece over JR....at this point I would rather trade JR while his value is high and try to keep Toppin while bringing in a big swinging dick like Beal. But who knows.
But here is the thing, you still have max cap space to add to the team, you can add another star
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said I was more excited for Toppin than Haliburton.
I just think it's hilarious how openly and actively think you are some brilliant basketball mind.
"My track record speaks for itself." This is legitimately one of the funniest things I've read on here.
you were also one of the posters actively tlaking about hoe you wanted haliburton
Haha thanks, I did, but I don't bring it up on every thread like this dude because I'm not a crazy person.
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
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Rj, Obi, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st and 24 1st is what it would look like
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
But he wouldnt be added to nothing, and you still have room to add more..
When he gets the ball he is not used to smaller guys being so strong and bigger guys being quick.
In college he got a little guy he took him into the paint and score, if he got a big on him he blew right by him..
In the NBA that is not always the case..
I think he will be fine, for the Knicks the biggest issue is point guard play
Good calls on all fronts. I didnt watch Toppin in college, but his mobility and wingspan are impressive. He is very similar to Amare in the way he moves.
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Right now he is reliant on someone setting him up, which is fine..
When he gets the ball he is not used to smaller guys being so strong and bigger guys being quick.
In college he got a little guy he took him into the paint and score, if he got a big on him he blew right by him..
In the NBA that is not always the case..
I think he will be fine, for the Knicks the biggest issue is point guard play
Good calls on all fronts. I didnt watch Toppin in college, but his mobility and wingspan are impressive. He is very similar to Amare in the way he moves.
You're right, he does seem to move like Amare. I think he has less overall athleticism, but probably a chance to be a better shooter/natural scorer. Amare didn't start shooting from the outside right away, and Obi's already doing it.
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Rj, Obi, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st and 24 1st is what it would look like
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
Look what it took for Harden. It'll be less than that but we have the picks to do it. We don't give up RJ either.
My guess is it'll be 3 1st rd picks, Burks and maybe Obi.
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Right now he is reliant on someone setting him up, which is fine..
When he gets the ball he is not used to smaller guys being so strong and bigger guys being quick.
In college he got a little guy he took him into the paint and score, if he got a big on him he blew right by him..
In the NBA that is not always the case..
I think he will be fine, for the Knicks the biggest issue is point guard play
Good calls on all fronts. I didnt watch Toppin in college, but his mobility and wingspan are impressive. He is very similar to Amare in the way he moves.
You're right, he does seem to move like Amare. I think he has less overall athleticism, but probably a chance to be a better shooter/natural scorer. Amare didn't start shooting from the outside right away, and Obi's already doing it.
See, thats where I disagree. Amare's body type and Obi's are almost identical. If obi is diligent about being able to onock down open jumpers, he is Amare Stoudamire pt deux...hopefully minus the injuries. But the guy can absolutely soar effortlessly.
There is some talk about Toppin being a trade piece instead of Randle....right now, after what Ive seen, you keep Toppin and trade Randle.
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Rj, Obi, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st and 24 1st is what it would look like
I like Beal, I really do. I just remember what happened when we emptied the cupboard for a star player. I think that's too high. I don't think Beal puts us over the edge of anything past 1st round.
Look what it took for Harden. It'll be less than that but we have the picks to do it. We don't give up RJ either.
My guess is it'll be 3 1st rd picks, Burks and maybe Obi.
Thats a hard no for me. Swap out Toppin for Randle or swap out one of the 1sts and we can talk. Toppin with Beal is better because Toppin is above the rim and wont dominate the ball.
We keep Randle because he is playing on an All star level under Thibs and he is the only guy on the team currently that is all star level.
Also keep RJ because he is proving he could be a star at this level.
Mitch is a star level defender.
Everyone else is basically moveable or replaceable .
Sure Toppin has potential to develop but they may not only want future draft picks.
Mitch/Noel
Randle
Barrett
Beal
Quickley
That is a pretty good starting 5 and under Thibs with the way they are playing D, they could go far in the East
We keep Randle because he is playing on an All star level under Thibs and he is the only guy on the team currently that is all star level.
Also keep RJ because he is proving he could be a star at this level.
Mitch is a star level defender.
Everyone else is basically moveable or replaceable .
Sure Toppin has potential to develop but they may not only want future draft picks.
Mitch/Noel
Randle
Barrett
Beal
Quickley
That is a pretty good starting 5 and under Thibs with the way they are playing D, they could go far in the East
This would be the dream, but you're not getting Beal without giving up at least one of RJ and Mitch.
Quickley or someone else free agent
Beal
RJ
Randle
Mitch
I know it’s a unlikely to get Beal but that starting 5 is competing and is a piece or 2 away from being a serious contender. I don’t think some people realize how good Beal is.
Then there's Avidja, who plays the 3, which is RJ's natural position. Just not great fits there trade wise.
I still want to see Quickley and Toppin get more PT and Payton and Randall get less (Julius needs more rest), but Thib's concept of putting together a winning mentality for a while before putting the kids out there more isn't a disaster.
Meanwhile, having a potential do-everything pg like quickley as a rookie is pretty exciting stuff, even if it is too early for him to blossom fully at pg after playing mostly the 2 at Kentucky.
Frank’s been questionable for 4 years.
I still want to see Quickley and Toppin get more PT and Payton and Randall get less (Julius needs more rest), but Thib's concept of putting together a winning mentality for a while before putting the kids out there more isn't a disaster.
Meanwhile, having a potential do-everything pg like quickley as a rookie is pretty exciting stuff, even if it is too early for him to blossom fully at pg after playing mostly the 2 at Kentucky.
You bring up very good points, but a few just are off to me.
- I think Thibs is doing the wholesale line changes in an effort to get the younger guys on the floor to play naturally....not feeling pressured to get the ball to Randle or _______ I think that will start changing soon
- Payton definitely does a l9t of good out there. His ability to get to the rim and finish is very good. I dont notice the D you are referring to because I havent really seen him matched up on on ball guards too regularly. Seems to me thats Barrett primarily but I could be mistaken.
- I love Quickley. He just needs to slow down a bit. Just as Barrett and Knox take too long to get into a game, Quick is out like terrier. He is a revelation at that position for sure.
- Toppin has major league potential. Yes, he is older for a rookie, but his body is totally ready, he flies to the hoop, is very quick for his size and has made some plays on D already. I referenced Amare before...he is like a mix of Amare and Shawn Marion. People talk about him as the trade piece over JR....at this point I would rather trade JR while his value is high and try to keep Toppin while bringing in a big swinging dick like Beal. But who knows.