4th round pick? 3rd rounder? I know he drops a lot of balls but he is still a potential weapon out of the backfield. Maybe some team would figure they could work with him on his technique and unlock whatever potential he still has
for a guy that is 6 million against your cap on the last year of his deal.
I agree, I think the only way a deal gets done is if the other team extends his contract as part of the trade conditions. I don’t see anyone extending Engram at this point. It wasn’t just this year that he struggled. He created his fair share of turnovers in his first three seasons and was constantly hurt prior to this season.
he's on a reasonable cap # for 2 years and he has ability. Someone would roll the dice on him.
I would probably be willing to trade him for anything close to a top 100 pick right now. Save a little money and hope to add a cheap contributor for several years along the lines of Peart or Holmes.
But I'd only do a deal like that after signing a legitimate #1 target via FA. Godwin, Robinson, Galloday, etc.
he's on a reasonable cap # for 2 years and he has ability. Someone would roll the dice on him.
I would probably be willing to trade him for anything close to a top 100 pick right now. Save a little money and hope to add a cheap contributor for several years along the lines of Peart or Holmes.
But I'd only do a deal like that after signing a legitimate #1 target via FA. Godwin, Robinson, Galloday, etc.
Isn't 2021 the last year of his rookie deal, and 5th year option? Who is going to give up any assets for a 1 year rental? I think fans need to come to terms that Engram is on the 2021 Giants unless he is outright cut.
would be a 5 or 6. I don't think that Gettleman for move him for that though. Unless someone decides they love him and he can make an impact on their offense he's on the Giants in 2021.
Jokes aside, I think as noted above by a few a 5th or 6th sounds
about right, mostly because he isn't worth anywhere near $6M with the negative plays he brings to the field and his awful catch rate and poor blocking.
Christmas is over and business is business. Trade or release him.
A 5th at best and that is stretching it, he's a mediocre player on the
last year of his rookie deal, which isn't even a bargain. Typing that out getting even a 5th would be a fleece, but he certainly has value to a team that's ready to make a run and needs a 4th option that can gamebreak.
and on a talent starved team, I don't think they are looking to unload him.
I expect Engram will be back next year and still a regular starter in this lineup. Hopefully they will have a full camp this year and be able to make some progress on his catch mechanics.
and on a talent starved team, I don't think they are looking to unload him.
I expect Engram will be back next year and still a regular starter in this lineup. Hopefully they will have a full camp this year and be able to make some progress on his catch mechanics.
That's the most frustrating part about him, it isn't really his mechanics. He's trying to clamp on the ball too often, and that is purely what's going on upstairs. It's footballs version of the yips. He needs a sports shrink. It actually woulnd't surprise me if when his time here is done he puts it together and becomes the player he can be.
Or cut him. Collect a 3rd round pick as comp next year. As long as they don’t sign an equally big ticket fa.
I think he still has value. Classic grass is greener on the other side. He has the tools to be great and has put up good numbers. Someone will think they can fix him and probably believe he has been missed used by the Giants. Which they are probably correct about.
that there is no market for a player who doesn't perform well at his job. Who realistically thinks he can be salvaged for the 2021 season? It's time to cut your losses.
I think it's pointless. Just my gut, but I think the Judge team is committed (resigned?) to trying to "fix" things about Engram and continue to take advantage of the good things he brings to the fold (yes, there are some).
EE had his "healthiest" season, he'll be just 27 next season, and despite all the shit (drops, tipped balls leading to turnovers, etc.) I feel like Judge et al will try to fix-and-build.
4th/5th-rounder? Don't think the NYG front office/Judge will see that as being worth it.
the possibility of the light going on (after an actual off-season with Judge's coaching staff) likely outweighs what little we can get back at this point.
The question is really just cost - what do we do at TE if he's traded/released and how do we/do we want to pay for his replacement.
I think he's on a high right now, not a low. He just finished with the 2nd most receiving yards in the NFC for a TE, and was selected to the Pro Bowl (which means some players and coaches voted for him). So he must have some support out there.
Don't get me wrong, I am done with the brick hands and want a more traditional TE who can also block. However its seems to me that this is the perfect time to move on him. Next season he could go back to 500 yds receiving again. Why can't we get a 3rd or 2nd for him?
I think he's on a high right now, not a low. He just finished with the 2nd most receiving yards in the NFC for a TE, and was selected to the Pro Bowl (which means some players and coaches voted for him). So he must have some support out there.
Don't get me wrong, I am done with the brick hands and want a more traditional TE who can also block. However its seems to me that this is the perfect time to move on him. Next season he could go back to 500 yds receiving again. Why can't we get a 3rd or 2nd for him?
A 2nd for a guy on a 1 year deal with question marks all around him??? Look at what Deandre Hopkins fetched and he's literally the best at his position in football.
The Giants have literally no leverage...Evan Engram isn't putting any contender over the hump to trade ANY asset and is under contract just 1 year...what fantasy are you guys living in?
as far as TE cap hit in 2021 - I really don't think he's going anywhere. Take a look at some of the names making more and I'd rather have Engram at $6m and try to work out his issues.
Blitz - he is on his 5th year now (1 year 6m) but the TE tags are low
enough that whoever is getting him will have a pretty easy time making it a 2 year deal if they choose. The transition tag was 9m this past year and franchise tag was 10m (more than 7m less than the WR tag).
It's obviously sort of a joke that he made the pro bowl this past season but nobody would dispute he has legitimate pro bowl ability. Used effectively he could be a 1k yard receiver. I don't think it's worth it to the NYG to give him up for anything less than a 4th on the off chance he can find a way to clean up the drops/mistakes. By all accounts he is a hard worker and not a knucklehead.
What's the point? I'd say there's a higher likelihood that Engram will have a good season than a 5th/6th rounder sticking on a roster let alone contributing.
Unless we are trying to really save money I don't see him being moved.
if they get Godwin or 1 of the other top WR's it's going to be around 15m AAV or more. They have Shepard signed and have Slayton. Barkley extension likely coming up in the next 12 months. They will likely draft more talent at WR/TE.
If they find themselves in that type of position it's hard to envision an extension for Engram in the future. $6m in cap savings plus a pick where they can get a day 1 contributor would make sense - if they can get themselves a player they think can be a day 1 contributor. Last year they got 2 with picks in the 90-120 range and I could see another team being willing to roll the dice on Engram at that cost.
if they get Godwin or 1 of the other top WR's it's going to be around 15m AAV or more. They have Shepard signed and have Slayton. Barkley extension likely coming up in the next 12 months. They will likely draft more talent at WR/TE.
If they find themselves in that type of position it's hard to envision an extension for Engram in the future. $6m in cap savings plus a pick where they can get a day 1 contributor would make sense - if they can get themselves a player they think can be a day 1 contributor. Last year they got 2 with picks in the 90-120 range and I could see another team being willing to roll the dice on Engram at that cost.
Agreed. Just going off their current status, I don't anticipate him getting moved anytime soon (pre- FA or even pre-draft).
It only takes one team to feel he's exactly what's needed on offense
I'm often surprised by what kind of return teams get for some players (usually it's the Eagles) and what some teams are willing to give up (sometimes it's Cowboys). And then you get trades where you can't believe that's all they got for someone (when Patriots got Randy Moss for a 4th round pick).
Maybe he is only a second or third string talent. That's not his fault. And it's not his fault that we don't have a first-class TE on the Giants, or adequate reserve TEs.
Maybe he is only a second or third string talent. That's not his fault. And it's not his fault that we don't have a first-class TE on the Giants, or adequate reserve TEs.
It's not Pitts's fault that Engram can't be relied upon to catch the ball. If Pitts is drafted, Engram becomes a pricey 2nd or 3rd stringer in an offense that isn't going to employ a two TE set where both TEs are weak in the blocking department.
I'm really interested in how JJ and the coaching staff views him
Like most everyone on here, I want him gone. Not sure what we could get for him, maybe a 4th or 5th.
However, with all the holes we have on offense I think they are going to keep him. He fills a spot on the roster, where he has to be accounted for. He has above average speed for a TE, and occasionally makes a highlight play. As we all know, he costs us more games than he wins.
But I think Judge is going to say, that he has bigger needs that must be filled. Keep him for the year, if he plays well. We can get a decent comp pick. Be prepared for another year of EE.
want nor expect. Especially if it has any defects. The condition of the vehicle is very judgemental. The Kelley Blue Book on Engram is near perfect condition in appearance average mileage but doesn't handle well in traffic with some mechanical defects (hands). Wheels are fine but have had a couple recalls.
That being the case - I'd keep him, he's another weapon that teams have to contend with. Not someone you can build your offense around, but a useful albeit unreliable piece
Have him lose weight, and put him on the outside. He's got great speed (4.42 at his combine, and he might get even faster if he comes in at 220 lbs) and he will be more effective blocking DB's than linemen/LB's.
Yeah, his hands suck, but at WR he's a mismatch and a potential threat. He probably will need to be a motion WR, in order to get past the line of scrimmage. This will allow Shepard/ Slayton more room underneath.
And no, it's not an ideal situation, but Evan is a below average TE at this point. Moving him to WR might be the best thing for him and the team next year. At least it will improve the depth at WR.
He has one year at 6 million. That isn’t “cheap” considering he doesn’t bring much to the table. Any team that trades for him is trading for a 1 year rental to view him and decide on his future. To me, at most, that’s a 6th round pick. In other words I don’t think any GM would trade for him.
Bag o' used footballs?
Eli Apple fetched a 4th and 7th. With a year and a half less control, I think the comp would be closer to a 6th.
I agree, I think the only way a deal gets done is if the other team extends his contract as part of the trade conditions. I don’t see anyone extending Engram at this point. It wasn’t just this year that he struggled. He created his fair share of turnovers in his first three seasons and was constantly hurt prior to this season.
I would probably be willing to trade him for anything close to a top 100 pick right now. Save a little money and hope to add a cheap contributor for several years along the lines of Peart or Holmes.
But I'd only do a deal like that after signing a legitimate #1 target via FA. Godwin, Robinson, Galloday, etc.
I would probably be willing to trade him for anything close to a top 100 pick right now. Save a little money and hope to add a cheap contributor for several years along the lines of Peart or Holmes.
But I'd only do a deal like that after signing a legitimate #1 target via FA. Godwin, Robinson, Galloday, etc.
Isn't 2021 the last year of his rookie deal, and 5th year option? Who is going to give up any assets for a 1 year rental? I think fans need to come to terms that Engram is on the 2021 Giants unless he is outright cut.
Christmas is over and business is business. Trade or release him.
I expect Engram will be back next year and still a regular starter in this lineup. Hopefully they will have a full camp this year and be able to make some progress on his catch mechanics.
Attractive carrying case included.
I expect Engram will be back next year and still a regular starter in this lineup. Hopefully they will have a full camp this year and be able to make some progress on his catch mechanics.
That's the most frustrating part about him, it isn't really his mechanics. He's trying to clamp on the ball too often, and that is purely what's going on upstairs. It's footballs version of the yips. He needs a sports shrink. It actually woulnd't surprise me if when his time here is done he puts it together and becomes the player he can be.
I think he still has value. Classic grass is greener on the other side. He has the tools to be great and has put up good numbers. Someone will think they can fix him and probably believe he has been missed used by the Giants. Which they are probably correct about.
EE had his "healthiest" season, he'll be just 27 next season, and despite all the shit (drops, tipped balls leading to turnovers, etc.) I feel like Judge et al will try to fix-and-build.
4th/5th-rounder? Don't think the NYG front office/Judge will see that as being worth it.
The question is really just cost - what do we do at TE if he's traded/released and how do we/do we want to pay for his replacement.
Probably a fourth if we flung in or swapped some late round picks.
Don't get me wrong, I am done with the brick hands and want a more traditional TE who can also block. However its seems to me that this is the perfect time to move on him. Next season he could go back to 500 yds receiving again. Why can't we get a 3rd or 2nd for him?
Don't get me wrong, I am done with the brick hands and want a more traditional TE who can also block. However its seems to me that this is the perfect time to move on him. Next season he could go back to 500 yds receiving again. Why can't we get a 3rd or 2nd for him?
A 2nd for a guy on a 1 year deal with question marks all around him??? Look at what Deandre Hopkins fetched and he's literally the best at his position in football.
The Giants have literally no leverage...Evan Engram isn't putting any contender over the hump to trade ANY asset and is under contract just 1 year...what fantasy are you guys living in?
It's obviously sort of a joke that he made the pro bowl this past season but nobody would dispute he has legitimate pro bowl ability. Used effectively he could be a 1k yard receiver. I don't think it's worth it to the NYG to give him up for anything less than a 4th on the off chance he can find a way to clean up the drops/mistakes. By all accounts he is a hard worker and not a knucklehead.
Attractive carrying case included.
I dunno man, that's a pretty good collection. I see Cheech and Chong, a couple Richard Pryor tapes, Ray Charles, Earth Wind and Fire
You may have a better chance getting a #2 pick than that set!
What's the point? I'd say there's a higher likelihood that Engram will have a good season than a 5th/6th rounder sticking on a roster let alone contributing.
Unless we are trying to really save money I don't see him being moved.
If they find themselves in that type of position it's hard to envision an extension for Engram in the future. $6m in cap savings plus a pick where they can get a day 1 contributor would make sense - if they can get themselves a player they think can be a day 1 contributor. Last year they got 2 with picks in the 90-120 range and I could see another team being willing to roll the dice on Engram at that cost.
i would love that right now
If they find themselves in that type of position it's hard to envision an extension for Engram in the future. $6m in cap savings plus a pick where they can get a day 1 contributor would make sense - if they can get themselves a player they think can be a day 1 contributor. Last year they got 2 with picks in the 90-120 range and I could see another team being willing to roll the dice on Engram at that cost.
Agreed. Just going off their current status, I don't anticipate him getting moved anytime soon (pre- FA or even pre-draft).
Getting a late pick out of it would just be extra.
However, with all the holes we have on offense I think they are going to keep him. He fills a spot on the roster, where he has to be accounted for. He has above average speed for a TE, and occasionally makes a highlight play. As we all know, he costs us more games than he wins.
But I think Judge is going to say, that he has bigger needs that must be filled. Keep him for the year, if he plays well. We can get a decent comp pick. Be prepared for another year of EE.
I always thought Eli got significantly better after Shockey left b/c he was constantly trying to force the ball to him.
He was targeted 109 times last year. That seems like a lot for a guy that clearly struggled throughout the entire year to catch the ball.
I'll take the Fats Domino.
Attractive carrying case included.
Yeah, his hands suck, but at WR he's a mismatch and a potential threat. He probably will need to be a motion WR, in order to get past the line of scrimmage. This will allow Shepard/ Slayton more room underneath.
And no, it's not an ideal situation, but Evan is a below average TE at this point. Moving him to WR might be the best thing for him and the team next year. At least it will improve the depth at WR.
Asking for anything more than that only realistically gets you laughed at on the phone.