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What Could We Realistically Get For Engram?

LTIsTheGreatest : 1/22/2021 9:58 am
4th round pick? 3rd rounder? I know he drops a lot of balls but he is still a potential weapon out of the backfield. Maybe some team would figure they could work with him on his technique and unlock whatever potential he still has
A lot more before last year  
FranknWeezer : 1/22/2021 9:59 am : link
that's for sure...."Pro Bowl" selection aside.
A few  
cjac : 1/22/2021 9:59 am : link
more losses
Probably  
Bones : 1/22/2021 10:05 am : link
A 5th round pick and a reserve DT or WR to equal out salary.
Maybe ....  
gmenrule : 1/22/2021 10:07 am : link
a crave case of White Castle's?
RE: Maybe ....  
Sec 103 : 1/22/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15130609 gmenrule said:
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a crave case of White Castle's?

Bag o' used footballs?
Engram  
Hilary : 1/22/2021 10:13 am : link
6 or 7. I would take a 7 and the cap space.
You arent getting anything  
blueblood : 1/22/2021 10:16 am : link
for a guy that is 6 million against your cap on the last year of his deal.
I agree with Hilary  
adamg : 1/22/2021 10:17 am : link
I think a 6.

Eli Apple fetched a 4th and 7th. With a year and a half less control, I think the comp would be closer to a 6th.
RE: You arent getting anything  
eric2425ny : 1/22/2021 10:25 am : link
In comment 15130629 blueblood said:
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for a guy that is 6 million against your cap on the last year of his deal.


I agree, I think the only way a deal gets done is if the other team extends his contract as part of the trade conditions. I don’t see anyone extending Engram at this point. It wasn’t just this year that he struggled. He created his fair share of turnovers in his first three seasons and was constantly hurt prior to this season.
When I think of Evan Engram I think of  
NYRiese : 1/22/2021 10:27 am : link
a zebra not being able to change his stripes.
I would guess a 4th or 5th  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 10:28 am : link
he's on a reasonable cap # for 2 years and he has ability. Someone would roll the dice on him.

I would probably be willing to trade him for anything close to a top 100 pick right now. Save a little money and hope to add a cheap contributor for several years along the lines of Peart or Holmes.

But I'd only do a deal like that after signing a legitimate #1 target via FA. Godwin, Robinson, Galloday, etc.
RE: I would guess a 4th or 5th  
bLiTz 2k : 1/22/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15130646 Eric on Li said:
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he's on a reasonable cap # for 2 years and he has ability. Someone would roll the dice on him.

I would probably be willing to trade him for anything close to a top 100 pick right now. Save a little money and hope to add a cheap contributor for several years along the lines of Peart or Holmes.

But I'd only do a deal like that after signing a legitimate #1 target via FA. Godwin, Robinson, Galloday, etc.


Isn't 2021 the last year of his rookie deal, and 5th year option? Who is going to give up any assets for a 1 year rental? I think fans need to come to terms that Engram is on the 2021 Giants unless he is outright cut.
I think a realistic get for him  
Biteymax22 : 1/22/2021 10:35 am : link
would be a 5 or 6. I don't think that Gettleman for move him for that though. Unless someone decides they love him and he can make an impact on their offense he's on the Giants in 2021.
Jokes aside, I think as noted above by a few a 5th or 6th sounds  
LBH15 : 1/22/2021 10:37 am : link
about right, mostly because he isn't worth anywhere near $6M with the negative plays he brings to the field and his awful catch rate and poor blocking.

Christmas is over and business is business. Trade or release him.
A 5th at best and that is stretching it, he's a mediocre player on the  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/22/2021 10:39 am : link
last year of his rookie deal, which isn't even a bargain. Typing that out getting even a 5th would be a fleece, but he certainly has value to a team that's ready to make a run and needs a 4th option that can gamebreak.
I don't think you are getting much for him  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2021 10:42 am : link
and on a talent starved team, I don't think they are looking to unload him.

I expect Engram will be back next year and still a regular starter in this lineup. Hopefully they will have a full camp this year and be able to make some progress on his catch mechanics.
A Collector's Edition of .....  
MOOPS : 1/22/2021 10:43 am : link
assorted 8 track tapes.





Attractive carrying case included.
RE: I don't think you are getting much for him  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/22/2021 10:46 am : link
In comment 15130672 Mike from Ohio said:
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and on a talent starved team, I don't think they are looking to unload him.

I expect Engram will be back next year and still a regular starter in this lineup. Hopefully they will have a full camp this year and be able to make some progress on his catch mechanics.


That's the most frustrating part about him, it isn't really his mechanics. He's trying to clamp on the ball too often, and that is purely what's going on upstairs. It's footballs version of the yips. He needs a sports shrink. It actually woulnd't surprise me if when his time here is done he puts it together and becomes the player he can be.
A bag of roasted peanuts and a bottled water.  
The_Boss : 1/22/2021 10:50 am : link
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A 4th round pick  
rasbutant : 1/22/2021 10:50 am : link
Or cut him. Collect a 3rd round pick as comp next year. As long as they don’t sign an equally big ticket fa.

I think he still has value. Classic grass is greener on the other side. He has the tools to be great and has put up good numbers. Someone will think they can fix him and probably believe he has been missed used by the Giants. Which they are probably correct about.
This is the sobering reality,  
Gregorio : 1/22/2021 10:51 am : link
that there is no market for a player who doesn't perform well at his job. Who realistically thinks he can be salvaged for the 2021 season? It's time to cut your losses.
My  
AcidTest : 1/22/2021 10:53 am : link
guess as others have said is a fourth or fifth.
As rampant as these threads and conversations have become,  
Beezer : 1/22/2021 11:01 am : link
I think it's pointless. Just my gut, but I think the Judge team is committed (resigned?) to trying to "fix" things about Engram and continue to take advantage of the good things he brings to the fold (yes, there are some).

EE had his "healthiest" season, he'll be just 27 next season, and despite all the shit (drops, tipped balls leading to turnovers, etc.) I feel like Judge et al will try to fix-and-build.

4th/5th-rounder? Don't think the NYG front office/Judge will see that as being worth it.
It would be selling low  
JonC : 1/22/2021 11:03 am : link
maybe a 5th would be my guess. His penchant for drops and crucial mistakes are a pattern at this point.
nothing  
UConn4523 : 1/22/2021 11:18 am : link
the possibility of the light going on (after an actual off-season with Judge's coaching staff) likely outweighs what little we can get back at this point.

The question is really just cost - what do we do at TE if he's traded/released and how do we/do we want to pay for his replacement.
RE: My  
bigbluescot : 1/22/2021 11:20 am : link
In comment 15130692 AcidTest said:
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guess as others have said is a fourth or fifth.


Probably a fourth if we flung in or swapped some late round picks.
I guess I don't understand why we can't get more for him  
PatersonPlank : 1/22/2021 11:22 am : link
I think he's on a high right now, not a low. He just finished with the 2nd most receiving yards in the NFC for a TE, and was selected to the Pro Bowl (which means some players and coaches voted for him). So he must have some support out there.

Don't get me wrong, I am done with the brick hands and want a more traditional TE who can also block. However its seems to me that this is the perfect time to move on him. Next season he could go back to 500 yds receiving again. Why can't we get a 3rd or 2nd for him?
a bag of dirty socks and...  
BCD : 1/22/2021 11:23 am : link
a an old blackberry.
RE: I guess I don't understand why we can't get more for him  
bLiTz 2k : 1/22/2021 11:28 am : link
In comment 15130736 PatersonPlank said:
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I think he's on a high right now, not a low. He just finished with the 2nd most receiving yards in the NFC for a TE, and was selected to the Pro Bowl (which means some players and coaches voted for him). So he must have some support out there.

Don't get me wrong, I am done with the brick hands and want a more traditional TE who can also block. However its seems to me that this is the perfect time to move on him. Next season he could go back to 500 yds receiving again. Why can't we get a 3rd or 2nd for him?


A 2nd for a guy on a 1 year deal with question marks all around him??? Look at what Deandre Hopkins fetched and he's literally the best at his position in football.

The Giants have literally no leverage...Evan Engram isn't putting any contender over the hump to trade ANY asset and is under contract just 1 year...what fantasy are you guys living in?
Engram and our 6th for another team’s 4th  
Metnut : 1/22/2021 11:32 am : link
seems about right.
he will be tied for 15th  
UConn4523 : 1/22/2021 11:32 am : link
as far as TE cap hit in 2021 - I really don't think he's going anywhere. Take a look at some of the names making more and I'd rather have Engram at $6m and try to work out his issues.
Blitz - he is on his 5th year now (1 year 6m) but the TE tags are low  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 11:40 am : link
enough that whoever is getting him will have a pretty easy time making it a 2 year deal if they choose. The transition tag was 9m this past year and franchise tag was 10m (more than 7m less than the WR tag).

It's obviously sort of a joke that he made the pro bowl this past season but nobody would dispute he has legitimate pro bowl ability. Used effectively he could be a 1k yard receiver. I don't think it's worth it to the NYG to give him up for anything less than a 4th on the off chance he can find a way to clean up the drops/mistakes. By all accounts he is a hard worker and not a knucklehead.
5th or 6th  
ryanmkeane : 1/22/2021 11:46 am : link
...and I'd take it in a heartbeat
RE: A Collector's Edition of .....  
mfsd : 1/22/2021 11:48 am : link
In comment 15130674 MOOPS said:
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assorted 8 track tapes.





Attractive carrying case included.


I dunno man, that's a pretty good collection. I see Cheech and Chong, a couple Richard Pryor tapes, Ray Charles, Earth Wind and Fire

You may have a better chance getting a #2 pick than that set!
But he's a Pro Bowler  
Optimus-NY : 1/22/2021 11:54 am : link
...
RE: 5th or 6th  
UConn4523 : 1/22/2021 11:54 am : link
In comment 15130774 ryanmkeane said:
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...and I'd take it in a heartbeat


What's the point? I'd say there's a higher likelihood that Engram will have a good season than a 5th/6th rounder sticking on a roster let alone contributing.

Unless we are trying to really save money I don't see him being moved.
7th at best  
Juice921 : 1/22/2021 11:58 am : link
Not because i think he sucks, i just don't believe many other teams would place value on him at this point.
Uconn I think it depends on how FA goes  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 12:01 pm : link
if they get Godwin or 1 of the other top WR's it's going to be around 15m AAV or more. They have Shepard signed and have Slayton. Barkley extension likely coming up in the next 12 months. They will likely draft more talent at WR/TE.

If they find themselves in that type of position it's hard to envision an extension for Engram in the future. $6m in cap savings plus a pick where they can get a day 1 contributor would make sense - if they can get themselves a player they think can be a day 1 contributor. Last year they got 2 with picks in the 90-120 range and I could see another team being willing to roll the dice on Engram at that cost.
Maybe a 6 or 7  
averagejoe : 1/22/2021 12:04 pm : link
if we throw in some cash too. But he will remain a Giant because they have to pay him anyway. A good kid but his best position is IR.
RE: Maybe ....  
EricJ : 1/22/2021 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15130609 gmenrule said:
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a crave case of White Castle's?


i would love that right now
RE: Uconn I think it depends on how FA goes  
UConn4523 : 1/22/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15130788 Eric on Li said:
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if they get Godwin or 1 of the other top WR's it's going to be around 15m AAV or more. They have Shepard signed and have Slayton. Barkley extension likely coming up in the next 12 months. They will likely draft more talent at WR/TE.

If they find themselves in that type of position it's hard to envision an extension for Engram in the future. $6m in cap savings plus a pick where they can get a day 1 contributor would make sense - if they can get themselves a player they think can be a day 1 contributor. Last year they got 2 with picks in the 90-120 range and I could see another team being willing to roll the dice on Engram at that cost.


Agreed. Just going off their current status, I don't anticipate him getting moved anytime soon (pre- FA or even pre-draft).
It only takes one team to feel he's exactly what's needed on offense  
Milton : 1/22/2021 12:39 pm : link
I'm often surprised by what kind of return teams get for some players (usually it's the Eagles) and what some teams are willing to give up (sometimes it's Cowboys). And then you get trades where you can't believe that's all they got for someone (when Patriots got Randy Moss for a 4th round pick).
Engram stays until we get a TE who is better  
Marty in Albany : 1/22/2021 1:11 pm : link
Maybe he is only a second or third string talent. That's not his fault. And it's not his fault that we don't have a first-class TE on the Giants, or adequate reserve TEs.
Its not about saving the $6M, its about putting  
LBH15 : 1/22/2021 1:16 pm : link
it to better use. The roster is not short of needs.

Getting a late pick out of it would just be extra.
RE: Engram stays until we get a TE who is better  
Milton : 1/22/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15130874 Marty in Albany said:
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Maybe he is only a second or third string talent. That's not his fault. And it's not his fault that we don't have a first-class TE on the Giants, or adequate reserve TEs.
It's not Pitts's fault that Engram can't be relied upon to catch the ball. If Pitts is drafted, Engram becomes a pricey 2nd or 3rd stringer in an offense that isn't going to employ a two TE set where both TEs are weak in the blocking department.
I'm really interested in how JJ and the coaching staff views him  
dd in Mass : 1/22/2021 1:35 pm : link
Like most everyone on here, I want him gone. Not sure what we could get for him, maybe a 4th or 5th.

However, with all the holes we have on offense I think they are going to keep him. He fills a spot on the roster, where he has to be accounted for. He has above average speed for a TE, and occasionally makes a highlight play. As we all know, he costs us more games than he wins.

But I think Judge is going to say, that he has bigger needs that must be filled. Keep him for the year, if he plays well. We can get a decent comp pick. Be prepared for another year of EE.
I wonder if Engram  
Dnew15 : 1/22/2021 2:30 pm : link
is to DJ as Shockey was to Eli.

I always thought Eli got significantly better after Shockey left b/c he was constantly trying to force the ball to him.

He was targeted 109 times last year. That seems like a lot for a guy that clearly struggled throughout the entire year to catch the ball.
Trading Engram is like trading in a used car. You never get what you  
Blue21 : 1/22/2021 2:56 pm : link
want nor expect. Especially if it has any defects. The condition of the vehicle is very judgemental. The Kelley Blue Book on Engram is near perfect condition in appearance average mileage but doesn't handle well in traffic with some mechanical defects (hands). Wheels are fine but have had a couple recalls.
He isn't  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/22/2021 3:18 pm : link
going anywhere. We already have the worst receiving core in the league, we aren't giving away one of our only weapons. Drops not withstanding.
at best a 4th, IMO  
bc4life : 1/22/2021 8:29 pm : link
That being the case - I'd keep him, he's another weapon that teams have to contend with. Not someone you can build your offense around, but a useful albeit unreliable piece
RE: A Collector's Edition of .....  
Poktown Pete : 1/22/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15130674 MOOPS said:
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assorted 8 track tapes.

I'll take the Fats Domino.




Attractive carrying case included.
Convert Engram to WR  
JohnF : 1/23/2021 1:31 am : link
Have him lose weight, and put him on the outside. He's got great speed (4.42 at his combine, and he might get even faster if he comes in at 220 lbs) and he will be more effective blocking DB's than linemen/LB's.

Yeah, his hands suck, but at WR he's a mismatch and a potential threat. He probably will need to be a motion WR, in order to get past the line of scrimmage. This will allow Shepard/ Slayton more room underneath.

And no, it's not an ideal situation, but Evan is a below average TE at this point. Moving him to WR might be the best thing for him and the team next year. At least it will improve the depth at WR.
He’s valueless  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2021 7:22 am : link
He has one year at 6 million. That isn’t “cheap” considering he doesn’t bring much to the table. Any team that trades for him is trading for a 1 year rental to view him and decide on his future. To me, at most, that’s a 6th round pick. In other words I don’t think any GM would trade for him.
Less dropped passes?  
Giant John : 1/23/2021 4:58 pm : link
I don’t know but that’s all I have. He’s not worth anything as a player.
Realistically?  
Jimmy Googs : 1/23/2021 5:07 pm : link
Probably about a 5th rounder.

Asking for anything more than that only realistically gets you laughed at on the phone.
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