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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 12:12 pm
-Half a dozen teams including the Mets monitoring JBJ. His price is reportedly "very high"

-No indication the Mets are in on Bauer

-Mets still unwilling to go multiple years for Hand

-Kevin Howard new farm director
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Wouldn’t mind taking a flier  
Metnut : 1/22/2021 1:27 pm : link
on Garrett Richards for cheap.
RE: Someone  
KDavies : 1/22/2021 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15130885 DanMetroMan said:
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on twitter suggested Villar, I like that idea Link - ( New Window )


He would be a very good 2B option. Had an off year last year, so could get him on a bit of a discount. He'd probably be hitting 9th if there is a DH
RE: RE: Someone  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15130899 KDavies said:
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In comment 15130885 DanMetroMan said:


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on twitter suggested Villar, I like that idea Link - ( New Window )



He would be a very good 2B option. Had an off year last year, so could get him on a bit of a discount. He'd probably be hitting 9th if there is a DH


Was all-star level good in 2019, solid in 2018, still only going to be 30.
if they signed jackie bradley jr  
cactus : 1/22/2021 1:39 pm : link
i'd still be more excited to see mallex smith out there in cf
"Rumor"  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 1:54 pm : link
the Mets are one of 6 teams in on Ozuna. Hector Gomez is known to routinely be complete BS. He's the guy who was pushing the Castillo was headed to the Yankees BS. Jeff Passan openly called Gomez a BSer.
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 1:58 pm : link

Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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Jan 17
Luis Castillo has not been traded to the Yankees.

Stop believing people who consistently get things wrong.
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KDavies : 1/22/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15130917 DanMetroMan said:
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the Mets are one of 6 teams in on Ozuna. Hector Gomez is known to routinely be complete BS. He's the guy who was pushing the Castillo was headed to the Yankees BS. Jeff Passan openly called Gomez a BSer.


Yeah, I don't buy it. That would certainly be interesting. Mash teams to death
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15130934 KDavies said:
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In comment 15130917 DanMetroMan said:


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the Mets are one of 6 teams in on Ozuna. Hector Gomez is known to routinely be complete BS. He's the guy who was pushing the Castillo was headed to the Yankees BS. Jeff Passan openly called Gomez a BSer.



Yeah, I don't buy it. That would certainly be interesting. Mash teams to death


Gomez legit makes things up (like the Castillo trade). He said the Mets hired Eduardo Perez as their manager, that Machado was signing with the White Sox etc. He's viewed as a joke.
Signing a player like  
Rory : 1/22/2021 4:04 pm : link
JBB has an impact on the whole OF. Nimmo would move to RF and MC would move to LF.

At 30 yrs old and showing ability to hit a bit better for average and power I would consider at 3 year deal.

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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 4:40 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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Source: Enrique Hernández and #RedSox have made progress on a deal.
@mlb

@MLBNetwork
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 4:43 pm : link
like Profar back to SD cost the Mets Hernandez
Expectation  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 4:50 pm : link
is Hernandez will sign with Boston.
I obviously wish we hired him over BVW but Chaim has had a weird  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 5:24 pm : link
couple years in Boston. Hard to see exactly what he's trying to do. It somehow does feel kind of like TB, because TB makes those random unexpected moves, only with TB you understand it because they have to be way outside the box to win. If they don't behave different they are going to lose. In Boston he doesn't need to reinvent the wheel.

Either way I hope their deal with Kike falls apart and the NYM can swoop in. But not counting on it, they seem to have targeted him all offseason.
Boston  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 5:30 pm : link
apparently wanted Profar but he took less AAV to go back to SD, which apparently caused them to up their offer to Hernandez.
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 6:21 pm : link
Says if Bauer were willing to take a short term deal at around 30 per the Mets might be interested (and would deal Matz)
RE: Martino  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15131216 DanMetroMan said:
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Says if Bauer were willing to take a short term deal at around 30 per the Mets might be interested (and would deal Matz)


Wow. I don't even want him, but that sure is interesting.
Based on their last full healthy seasons  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 7:54 pm : link
You'd basically have 5 starting pitchers in the top 25 overall in fWAR when Noah returns. That's absolutely ridiculous. lol
For my 25 million  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 7:57 pm : link
If that's roughly the LT line, Im signing Hand, Turner, and Marisnick and inviting a few guys like Gio to ST for cheap and calling it a day. Should get us right about there.

There might be more interesting trade packages out there featuring Bryant, Arenado, Suarez.... But none seem realistic.

Z  
CMicks3110 : 1/22/2021 8:03 pm : link
what are your actual predictions. Also, do you expect any surprises?
RE: I obviously wish we hired him over BVW but Chaim has had a weird  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15131162 Eric on Li said:
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couple years in Boston. Hard to see exactly what he's trying to do. It somehow does feel kind of like TB, because TB makes those random unexpected moves, only with TB you understand it because they have to be way outside the box to win. If they don't behave different they are going to lose. In Boston he doesn't need to reinvent the wheel.

Either way I hope their deal with Kike falls apart and the NYM can swoop in. But not counting on it, they seem to have targeted him all offseason.


Hernandez has signed with Boston
2  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 8:27 pm : link
Years 14 for Hernandez
disappointing  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 8:32 pm : link
there are a lot of other good players out there to move on to but none checked both boxes filling multiple roles in the IF and OF. He was a 2 for 1.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15131291 CMicks3110 said:
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what are your actual predictions. Also, do you expect any surprises?


Im still around my usually 90-ish mark that Ive been at since 2015. lol.

But that's mainly because the division is so tough. Another piece or two and I have us as good as any team in the NL.

I could see the Mets rounding out the roster with a few players like Ive mentioned in FA or maybe pulling off another trade. If we went the less exciting FA route I wouldn't put past Sandy to make another in season "Cespedes" like trade. He isn't getting any younger and my hunch is he wants a WS ring and feels this year might be as good a chance as any.
So Im not a fan of JBJ  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 8:37 pm : link
But man... Would signing Wong and JBJ (McNeil at 3b/Dom at 1B) give us one of the best defenses in baseball? Every player would be good defensively with almost half being truly elite.

We would be very LH though but its enticing to have a D THAT good.
RE: disappointing  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15131315 Eric on Li said:
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there are a lot of other good players out there to move on to but none checked both boxes filling multiple roles in the IF and OF. He was a 2 for 1.


Wanted an every day role at 1 position per Rosenthal so presumably the Mets weren’t a great fit
sigh  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 8:58 pm : link
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Peter Gammons @pgammo
2m
Dave Roberts has long said he is a gold glove defender @ 5 positions(2b, cf, rf, ss, lf Filing Bible no. 1 multi-positional defender), OPS+ 122 vs. LHP, 82 vs. RHP. Recently Alex Cora was @mall and a store owner said Kike's mother owned the shop two businesses down. Small world.


Just seems like he'd have been a perfect fit for a couple years. The current 3 starting OF's are all lefties, 2 below avg. defensively (Smith LF, Nimmo CF). And he'd have probably been able to play a lot at 2b. This seems like a deal where it was worth spending a little more to get the best fit instead of the best value.
RE: RE: disappointing  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15131330 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15131315 Eric on Li said:


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there are a lot of other good players out there to move on to but none checked both boxes filling multiple roles in the IF and OF. He was a 2 for 1.



Wanted an every day role at 1 position per Rosenthal so presumably the Mets weren’t a great fit


If that's the case 2b was the only option if they felt good about McNeil everyday at 3b. But I can certainly understand not wanting to guarantee that.

And a big part of his appeal was the OF flexibility so if he didn't want to play in multiple spots then he would have been less appealing.

(I tend to subscribe to money talks tho - for an extra $1m, who knows)
Anybody else interested in having  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 9:11 pm : link
straight recent gold up the middle (Lindor, Wong, and JBJ) ? Or am I tripping? lol.

That would be a dramatic defensive overhaul in one season IMO.

Davis would probably have to be in the lineup against any lefty giving Lindor, Alonso, McCann, and him in there to provide some RH offense. But the lineup would kill righties.
I kind of think Guillmore is a better  
CMicks3110 : 1/22/2021 9:24 pm : link
player than Wong, and infinitely cheaper. Sign Bradley, start LG at 2nd, and then add Tanaka.
I like Guillorme  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 9:27 pm : link
And part of me would like to see him get an extended run. But you're talking about a two time recent gold glover in Wong. Pairing him with Lindor... we would have one of the flashiest middle infields in decades.
Rosenthal now saying Mets  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 9:37 pm : link
upping their effort on Bauer.
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Rosenthal says Mets considering signing  
CMicks3110 : 1/22/2021 9:37 pm : link
Bauer
hell of a rotation that would be  
CMicks3110 : 1/22/2021 9:43 pm : link
deGrom, Bauer, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson, Syndergaard, Lucchesli; I think that's gotta be best in baseball, to go along with probably a top 5 offense and a pretty good pen, especially if Betances/Familia return to form. Bench would be a weak spot. Maybe we can sign Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe.
RE: I kind of think Guillmore is a better  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15131343 CMicks3110 said:
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player than Wong, and infinitely cheaper. Sign Bradley, start LG at 2nd, and then add Tanaka.


Cheaper yes. Better? No. Wong is arguably the best defensive 2B in baseball and has posted 15.3 fWAR over 6 1/3 seasons. If LG is better then he’s a top 8 or so 2B in baseball? If the Mets felt that way he’d be penciled in as the starter. I like him but better than Wong? Law has Wong his #9 overall FA.
Richards  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 9:56 pm : link
Deep in talks with Boston
he was better last season  
CMicks3110 : 1/22/2021 9:56 pm : link
and I'm not saying he's a career better player, just saying that he's better right now. At the very least, it's close enough that I rather use the money saved elsewhere if possible. Guillmore is a very good defensive player with a similar hitting profile to Wong, who will cost $7 million less.
Spending  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 10:00 pm : link
Money on him is a different story but he was 7th at 2B in fWAR in 2020 just behind Fletcher who was 4th. The argument to not spend on a 2B is a fair one but it’s hard to argue LG is better or will be at any point in the near future. Wong is probably top 5-7 at his position for the next 2-3 seasons.
I think we'd have a top 5 SP staff  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 10:04 pm : link
Top 5 offense, and top 5 defense.

Thats seems like a recipe for success to me.

And again, not a fan of JBJ. But if you want to go "all in" on the D, that's the way to really do it.
the only issue with Wong is locking McNeil in at 3b  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 10:05 pm : link
If they believe in mcneil at 3b that's not a big issue - he only needs to play 1 position if he's good at it and it's open. Their actions seem to be unsure where they are going to play him.
RE: the only issue with Wong is locking McNeil in at 3b  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15131383 Eric on Li said:
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If they believe in mcneil at 3b that's not a big issue - he only needs to play 1 position if he's good at it and it's open. Their actions seem to be unsure where they are going to play him.


His metrics at 3B grade out fine. He's well above average there and Im sure Sandy and team know this. I think fans are just stuck on the first week last year where McNeil was off and rushing things. He made a few bad plays... But it such a small sample. He looked great there the year before...

I think McNeil has immense value as a guy that's not only talented offensively, but also a guy that you can plug into 2-3 spots and be fine. He offers flexibility when injuries hit or you need to get a bench guy in once in a while and give another guy a blow. I think it all just adds to his weight.
I don't disagree with that but they seem to be hedging  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2021 10:27 pm : link
and don't forget when he came up in 2018 they said he "wasn't a 3b", which may have just been lipservice to protect a young player and keep him at his more natural position.

I think it's fair for them to want to make that decision in ST and that's why I think a similarly versatile player would have been more ideal addition than an everyday 2b like Wong or 3b like Turner (though I would be happy with either one).

There's been a lot of smoke the past couple weeks but little fire - which kind of reminds me of the days before the Lindor trade. Remember when they were in and then passed on Saguno and in and then cooled on Odorizzi. It obviously turned out they were really in on Lindor/Carrasco. Maybe they are really just sitting back right now and waiting for prices to keep dropping but it also wouldn't surprise me if we see something happen on the trade market that puts the recent passes into a different perspective (like Cain).
Rosenthal also saying Mets are likely  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 10:33 pm : link
to give Lindor a 300+ million extension.

Anybody know the cutoff date to where the extension wouldn't hurt this years LT? Isn't it at the end of ST or something?
Even if the Mets did nothing with the IF  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 10:35 pm : link
I would hope the Mets split time between Davis and Guillorme. And when Davis is in, McNeil would be at 2B, and when Guillorme is in, McNeil would be at 3B. Thats how I'd do it anyway.
RE: Rosenthal also saying Mets are likely  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2021 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15131407 ZGiants98 said:
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to give Lindor a 300+ million extension.

Anybody know the cutoff date to where the extension wouldn't hurt this years LT? Isn't it at the end of ST or something?


I believe opening day
RE: RE: Rosenthal also saying Mets are likely  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2021 11:44 pm : link
In comment 15131436 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15131407 ZGiants98 said:


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to give Lindor a 300+ million extension.

Anybody know the cutoff date to where the extension wouldn't hurt this years LT? Isn't it at the end of ST or something?



I believe opening day


Gotcha. Thanks.
RE: Rosenthal says Mets considering signing  
Vanzetti : 1/23/2021 1:05 am : link
In comment 15131353 CMicks3110 said:
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Bauer


Bauer is the obvious move. Mets lineup is already stacked and all these proposed acquisitions, such as Wong or Hernandez, make it weaker rather than stronger.

Hand is s good pitcher but Mets already have 3 lefty starters, two of whom will wind up in the pen when Thor comes back.

Offer Bauer a one year deal for the most money you can while staying u set the luxury tax threshold
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Ira : 1/23/2021 6:32 am : link

Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
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9h
I think we should sign Bernie Sanders . He would have the best glove in baseball
As Tom Petty used to say  
Dr. D : 1/23/2021 10:20 am : link
The waiting is the hardest part.
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pjcas18 : 1/23/2021 11:36 am : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Mets have interest in Trevor Bauer but likely on a shorter deal (4 years or fewer). Dodgers could, too, but definitely short-term there. Other teams suggest they have impression Bauer prefers a longer deal. Agent Rachel Luba said: “He’s open to all different types of structures”
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pjcas18 : 1/23/2021 1:00 pm : link
Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
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Sources from multiple teams say Brad Hand’s free agency could be nearing a conclusion. These teams have been told that Hand wants to make a decision soon, perhaps even by the end of this weekend.
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