Mets have JBJ on their radar. At least 5 teams still monitoring CF: Phils, Red Sox, Astros and Rockies. It’s a pretty thin group now. Pillar is the next best option with Almora, Marisnick among others. Mets would prefer a righty hitter but JBJ would give them a very strong OF.
I'm with you. Heard off the record he's been asking for 5 years. He won't get that but I wouldn't even go more than 2 and even then wouldn't bee over the moon.
to whoever suggested it, and the upside is roughly zero but Sanchez is probably the best of the "workout guys" outside of Paxton who will get real MLB money. could be as good as any of their current #5 options.
if it were me JBJ would be leverage in trade talks
and the main guy I'd be targeting is Cain, though I'd consider Margot also if the Rays are willing to move him. There are some guys on the roster I could see both MIL and TB could being interested in. Either would be more efficient then spending multi-year dollars on JBJ especially if he has a healthy market.
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Mets’ main targets at moment appear to be JBJ, Kike’ and pen (Hand?). Word is, while interested Mets aren’t rushing to sign top pitcher Trevor Bauer. Looking to see how multiple pieces could line up first.
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Mets’ main targets at moment appear to be JBJ, Kike’ and pen (Hand?). Word is, while interested Mets aren’t rushing to sign top pitcher Trevor Bauer. Looking to see how multiple pieces could line up first.
Also. He's what they need. A good defensive CFer, and he's a righty hitter. And if he has to make an extended run as a starter, he'll at least hit for power and steal some bases as a trade-off for living with his terrible OBP.
Also. He's what they need. A good defensive CFer, and he's a righty hitter. And if he has to make an extended run as a starter, he'll at least hit for power and steal some bases as a trade-off for living with his terrible OBP.
Agreed - I'd probably be happier with Marisnick on a cheap deal allowing them to sign Hand than JBJ on a bigger deal that precludes a signing like Hand.
is still a high-level defensive player and still very, very fast. We could do worse as an extra OF (obviously not a starter). But defense for Dom or JDD (when they are in the OF) or any time Nimmo makes a CF start. Also a pinch runner for Alonso/Dom/JDD etc.
is still a high-level defensive player and still very, very fast. We could do worse as an extra OF (obviously not a starter). But defense for Dom or JDD (when they are in the OF) or any time Nimmo makes a CF start. Also a pinch runner for Alonso/Dom/JDD etc.
Even beyond that, if they get a DH, there is going to be playing time for a 3rd OF'er other than Nimmo/Conforto. Maybe they give JDD time in LF, or someone like Kike time, but I'd imagine any defensive CF they get will have an opportunity to play a good chunk of innings.
His D seems bad across the board in the IF and not played much in CF so not sure where he'd fit in here.
Btw this deal is probably so far the best example of the owner's financial doomsday being total bs. He got the AAV predicted but got 2 extra years amidst a lot of alternatives (as compared to Mccann where there were few alternatives). Can't wait to hear more bs leak out about league financials as they get closer to needing a deal in ST.
to whoever suggested it, and the upside is roughly zero but Sanchez is probably the best of the "workout guys" outside of Paxton who will get real MLB money. could be as good as any of their current #5 options.
I suggested Anibal Sanchez on here about 10 days ago....I threw Gio Gonzo's name out there too.
I'm just looking for someone (anyone) to replace Matz, who I think is psychologically scarred. I hope he's been seeing a Sports Psychologist in the off-season.
Dan, can you post that list of available pitchers sorted by WAR ??
to whoever suggested it, and the upside is roughly zero but Sanchez is probably the best of the "workout guys" outside of Paxton who will get real MLB money. could be as good as any of their current #5 options.
I suggested Anibal Sanchez on here about 10 days ago....I threw Gio Gonzo's name out there too.
I'm just looking for someone (anyone) to replace Matz, who I think is psychologically scarred. I hope he's been seeing a Sports Psychologist in the off-season.
Dan, can you post that list of available pitchers sorted by WAR ??
Fangraphs has Bauer, Tanaka, Paxton, Porcello, Archer (it doesn't take into account his injury so I'd ignore this one), Odorizzi, Richards, Shoemaker, Wainwright, Anderson, Walker, Rodon (in order) in terms of projected 2021 fWAR
the Mets are one of 6 teams in on Ozuna. Hector Gomez is known to routinely be complete BS. He's the guy who was pushing the Castillo was headed to the Yankees BS. Jeff Passan openly called Gomez a BSer.
the Mets are one of 6 teams in on Ozuna. Hector Gomez is known to routinely be complete BS. He's the guy who was pushing the Castillo was headed to the Yankees BS. Jeff Passan openly called Gomez a BSer.
Yeah, I don't buy it. That would certainly be interesting. Mash teams to death
the Mets are one of 6 teams in on Ozuna. Hector Gomez is known to routinely be complete BS. He's the guy who was pushing the Castillo was headed to the Yankees BS. Jeff Passan openly called Gomez a BSer.
Yeah, I don't buy it. That would certainly be interesting. Mash teams to death
Gomez legit makes things up (like the Castillo trade). He said the Mets hired Eduardo Perez as their manager, that Machado was signing with the White Sox etc. He's viewed as a joke.
couple years in Boston. Hard to see exactly what he's trying to do. It somehow does feel kind of like TB, because TB makes those random unexpected moves, only with TB you understand it because they have to be way outside the box to win. If they don't behave different they are going to lose. In Boston he doesn't need to reinvent the wheel.
Either way I hope their deal with Kike falls apart and the NYM can swoop in. But not counting on it, they seem to have targeted him all offseason.
If that's roughly the LT line, Im signing Hand, Turner, and Marisnick and inviting a few guys like Gio to ST for cheap and calling it a day. Should get us right about there.
There might be more interesting trade packages out there featuring Bryant, Arenado, Suarez.... But none seem realistic.
couple years in Boston. Hard to see exactly what he's trying to do. It somehow does feel kind of like TB, because TB makes those random unexpected moves, only with TB you understand it because they have to be way outside the box to win. If they don't behave different they are going to lose. In Boston he doesn't need to reinvent the wheel.
Either way I hope their deal with Kike falls apart and the NYM can swoop in. But not counting on it, they seem to have targeted him all offseason.
what are your actual predictions. Also, do you expect any surprises?
Im still around my usually 90-ish mark that Ive been at since 2015. lol.
But that's mainly because the division is so tough. Another piece or two and I have us as good as any team in the NL.
I could see the Mets rounding out the roster with a few players like Ive mentioned in FA or maybe pulling off another trade. If we went the less exciting FA route I wouldn't put past Sandy to make another in season "Cespedes" like trade. He isn't getting any younger and my hunch is he wants a WS ring and feels this year might be as good a chance as any.
But man... Would signing Wong and JBJ (McNeil at 3b/Dom at 1B) give us one of the best defenses in baseball? Every player would be good defensively with almost half being truly elite.
We would be very LH though but its enticing to have a D THAT good.
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Dave Roberts has long said he is a gold glove defender @ 5 positions(2b, cf, rf, ss, lf Filing Bible no. 1 multi-positional defender), OPS+ 122 vs. LHP, 82 vs. RHP. Recently Alex Cora was @mall and a store owner said Kike's mother owned the shop two businesses down. Small world.
Just seems like he'd have been a perfect fit for a couple years. The current 3 starting OF's are all lefties, 2 below avg. defensively (Smith LF, Nimmo CF). And he'd have probably been able to play a lot at 2b. This seems like a deal where it was worth spending a little more to get the best fit instead of the best value.
straight recent gold up the middle (Lindor, Wong, and JBJ) ? Or am I tripping? lol.
That would be a dramatic defensive overhaul in one season IMO.
Davis would probably have to be in the lineup against any lefty giving Lindor, Alonso, McCann, and him in there to provide some RH offense. But the lineup would kill righties.
And part of me would like to see him get an extended run. But you're talking about a two time recent gold glover in Wong. Pairing him with Lindor... we would have one of the flashiest middle infields in decades.
deGrom, Bauer, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson, Syndergaard, Lucchesli; I think that's gotta be best in baseball, to go along with probably a top 5 offense and a pretty good pen, especially if Betances/Familia return to form. Bench would be a weak spot. Maybe we can sign Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe.
player than Wong, and infinitely cheaper. Sign Bradley, start LG at 2nd, and then add Tanaka.
Cheaper yes. Better? No. Wong is arguably the best defensive 2B in baseball and has posted 15.3 fWAR over 6 1/3 seasons. If LG is better then he’s a top 8 or so 2B in baseball? If the Mets felt that way he’d be penciled in as the starter. I like him but better than Wong? Law has Wong his #9 overall FA.
and I'm not saying he's a career better player, just saying that he's better right now. At the very least, it's close enough that I rather use the money saved elsewhere if possible. Guillmore is a very good defensive player with a similar hitting profile to Wong, who will cost $7 million less.
Money on him is a different story but he was 7th at 2B in fWAR in 2020 just behind Fletcher who was 4th. The argument to not spend on a 2B is a fair one but it’s hard to argue LG is better or will be at any point in the near future. Wong is probably top 5-7 at his position for the next 2-3 seasons.
If they believe in mcneil at 3b that's not a big issue - he only needs to play 1 position if he's good at it and it's open. Their actions seem to be unsure where they are going to play him.
RE: the only issue with Wong is locking McNeil in at 3b
If they believe in mcneil at 3b that's not a big issue - he only needs to play 1 position if he's good at it and it's open. Their actions seem to be unsure where they are going to play him.
His metrics at 3B grade out fine. He's well above average there and Im sure Sandy and team know this. I think fans are just stuck on the first week last year where McNeil was off and rushing things. He made a few bad plays... But it such a small sample. He looked great there the year before...
I think McNeil has immense value as a guy that's not only talented offensively, but also a guy that you can plug into 2-3 spots and be fine. He offers flexibility when injuries hit or you need to get a bench guy in once in a while and give another guy a blow. I think it all just adds to his weight.
I don't disagree with that but they seem to be hedging
and don't forget when he came up in 2018 they said he "wasn't a 3b", which may have just been lipservice to protect a young player and keep him at his more natural position.
I think it's fair for them to want to make that decision in ST and that's why I think a similarly versatile player would have been more ideal addition than an everyday 2b like Wong or 3b like Turner (though I would be happy with either one).
There's been a lot of smoke the past couple weeks but little fire - which kind of reminds me of the days before the Lindor trade. Remember when they were in and then passed on Saguno and in and then cooled on Odorizzi. It obviously turned out they were really in on Lindor/Carrasco. Maybe they are really just sitting back right now and waiting for prices to keep dropping but it also wouldn't surprise me if we see something happen on the trade market that puts the recent passes into a different perspective (like Cain).
I would hope the Mets split time between Davis and Guillorme. And when Davis is in, McNeil would be at 2B, and when Guillorme is in, McNeil would be at 3B. Thats how I'd do it anyway.
Bauer is the obvious move. Mets lineup is already stacked and all these proposed acquisitions, such as Wong or Hernandez, make it weaker rather than stronger.
Hand is s good pitcher but Mets already have 3 lefty starters, two of whom will wind up in the pen when Thor comes back.
Offer Bauer a one year deal for the most money you can while staying u set the luxury tax threshold
Jon Heyman
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Mets have interest in Trevor Bauer but likely on a shorter deal (4 years or fewer). Dodgers could, too, but definitely short-term there. Other teams suggest they have impression Bauer prefers a longer deal. Agent Rachel Luba said: “He’s open to all different types of structures”
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Sources from multiple teams say Brad Hand’s free agency could be nearing a conclusion. These teams have been told that Hand wants to make a decision soon, perhaps even by the end of this weekend.
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Mets have JBJ on their radar. At least 5 teams still monitoring CF: Phils, Red Sox, Astros and Rockies. It’s a pretty thin group now. Pillar is the next best option with Almora, Marisnick among others. Mets would prefer a righty hitter but JBJ would give them a very strong OF.
Would rather just bring back Marisnick for cheap.
Would rather just bring back Marisnick for cheap.
I'm with you. Heard off the record he's been asking for 5 years. He won't get that but I wouldn't even go more than 2 and even then wouldn't bee over the moon.
That's why I think Margot may be a good target. The 2 of them are sort of redundant. JDD would be a nice compliment to Choi.
Jon Heyman
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Mets’ main targets at moment appear to be JBJ, Kike’ and pen (Hand?). Word is, while interested Mets aren’t rushing to sign top pitcher Trevor Bauer. Looking to see how multiple pieces could line up first.
Jon Heyman
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Mets’ main targets at moment appear to be JBJ, Kike’ and pen (Hand?). Word is, while interested Mets aren’t rushing to sign top pitcher Trevor Bauer. Looking to see how multiple pieces could line up first.
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Agreed - I'd probably be happier with Marisnick on a cheap deal allowing them to sign Hand than JBJ on a bigger deal that precludes a signing like Hand.
ST invites for Hamilton, Mallex, Broxton, and Marisnick just to fuck with BVW.
Even beyond that, if they get a DH, there is going to be playing time for a 3rd OF'er other than Nimmo/Conforto. Maybe they give JDD time in LF, or someone like Kike time, but I'd imagine any defensive CF they get will have an opportunity to play a good chunk of innings.
His D seems bad across the board in the IF and not played much in CF so not sure where he'd fit in here.
Btw this deal is probably so far the best example of the owner's financial doomsday being total bs. He got the AAV predicted but got 2 extra years amidst a lot of alternatives (as compared to Mccann where there were few alternatives). Can't wait to hear more bs leak out about league financials as they get closer to needing a deal in ST.
Agreed. Castro, Brach, Gsellman shouldn't be guaranteed roster spots.
I suggested Anibal Sanchez on here about 10 days ago....I threw Gio Gonzo's name out there too.
I'm just looking for someone (anyone) to replace Matz, who I think is psychologically scarred. I hope he's been seeing a Sports Psychologist in the off-season.
Dan, can you post that list of available pitchers sorted by WAR ??
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to whoever suggested it, and the upside is roughly zero but Sanchez is probably the best of the "workout guys" outside of Paxton who will get real MLB money. could be as good as any of their current #5 options.
I suggested Anibal Sanchez on here about 10 days ago....I threw Gio Gonzo's name out there too.
I'm just looking for someone (anyone) to replace Matz, who I think is psychologically scarred. I hope he's been seeing a Sports Psychologist in the off-season.
Dan, can you post that list of available pitchers sorted by WAR ??
Fangraphs has Bauer, Tanaka, Paxton, Porcello, Archer (it doesn't take into account his injury so I'd ignore this one), Odorizzi, Richards, Shoemaker, Wainwright, Anderson, Walker, Rodon (in order) in terms of projected 2021 fWAR
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bring back Hamilton on a split deal if possible.
ST invites for Hamilton, Mallex, Broxton, and Marisnick just to fuck with BVW.
lol
I don't think Matz is going to make it out of Spring Training.
He would be a very good 2B option. Had an off year last year, so could get him on a bit of a discount. He'd probably be hitting 9th if there is a DH
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He would be a very good 2B option. Had an off year last year, so could get him on a bit of a discount. He'd probably be hitting 9th if there is a DH
Was all-star level good in 2019, solid in 2018, still only going to be 30.
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Luis Castillo has not been traded to the Yankees.
Stop believing people who consistently get things wrong.
Yeah, I don't buy it. That would certainly be interesting. Mash teams to death
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the Mets are one of 6 teams in on Ozuna. Hector Gomez is known to routinely be complete BS. He's the guy who was pushing the Castillo was headed to the Yankees BS. Jeff Passan openly called Gomez a BSer.
Yeah, I don't buy it. That would certainly be interesting. Mash teams to death
Gomez legit makes things up (like the Castillo trade). He said the Mets hired Eduardo Perez as their manager, that Machado was signing with the White Sox etc. He's viewed as a joke.
At 30 yrs old and showing ability to hit a bit better for average and power I would consider at 3 year deal.
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Source: Enrique Hernández and #RedSox have made progress on a deal.
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Either way I hope their deal with Kike falls apart and the NYM can swoop in. But not counting on it, they seem to have targeted him all offseason.
Wow. I don't even want him, but that sure is interesting.
There might be more interesting trade packages out there featuring Bryant, Arenado, Suarez.... But none seem realistic.
Either way I hope their deal with Kike falls apart and the NYM can swoop in. But not counting on it, they seem to have targeted him all offseason.
Hernandez has signed with Boston
Im still around my usually 90-ish mark that Ive been at since 2015. lol.
But that's mainly because the division is so tough. Another piece or two and I have us as good as any team in the NL.
I could see the Mets rounding out the roster with a few players like Ive mentioned in FA or maybe pulling off another trade. If we went the less exciting FA route I wouldn't put past Sandy to make another in season "Cespedes" like trade. He isn't getting any younger and my hunch is he wants a WS ring and feels this year might be as good a chance as any.
We would be very LH though but its enticing to have a D THAT good.
Wanted an every day role at 1 position per Rosenthal so presumably the Mets weren’t a great fit
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Dave Roberts has long said he is a gold glove defender @ 5 positions(2b, cf, rf, ss, lf Filing Bible no. 1 multi-positional defender), OPS+ 122 vs. LHP, 82 vs. RHP. Recently Alex Cora was @mall and a store owner said Kike's mother owned the shop two businesses down. Small world.
Just seems like he'd have been a perfect fit for a couple years. The current 3 starting OF's are all lefties, 2 below avg. defensively (Smith LF, Nimmo CF). And he'd have probably been able to play a lot at 2b. This seems like a deal where it was worth spending a little more to get the best fit instead of the best value.
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there are a lot of other good players out there to move on to but none checked both boxes filling multiple roles in the IF and OF. He was a 2 for 1.
Wanted an every day role at 1 position per Rosenthal so presumably the Mets weren’t a great fit
If that's the case 2b was the only option if they felt good about McNeil everyday at 3b. But I can certainly understand not wanting to guarantee that.
And a big part of his appeal was the OF flexibility so if he didn't want to play in multiple spots then he would have been less appealing.
(I tend to subscribe to money talks tho - for an extra $1m, who knows)
That would be a dramatic defensive overhaul in one season IMO.
Davis would probably have to be in the lineup against any lefty giving Lindor, Alonso, McCann, and him in there to provide some RH offense. But the lineup would kill righties.
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Cheaper yes. Better? No. Wong is arguably the best defensive 2B in baseball and has posted 15.3 fWAR over 6 1/3 seasons. If LG is better then he’s a top 8 or so 2B in baseball? If the Mets felt that way he’d be penciled in as the starter. I like him but better than Wong? Law has Wong his #9 overall FA.
Thats seems like a recipe for success to me.
And again, not a fan of JBJ. But if you want to go "all in" on the D, that's the way to really do it.
His metrics at 3B grade out fine. He's well above average there and Im sure Sandy and team know this. I think fans are just stuck on the first week last year where McNeil was off and rushing things. He made a few bad plays... But it such a small sample. He looked great there the year before...
I think McNeil has immense value as a guy that's not only talented offensively, but also a guy that you can plug into 2-3 spots and be fine. He offers flexibility when injuries hit or you need to get a bench guy in once in a while and give another guy a blow. I think it all just adds to his weight.
I think it's fair for them to want to make that decision in ST and that's why I think a similarly versatile player would have been more ideal addition than an everyday 2b like Wong or 3b like Turner (though I would be happy with either one).
There's been a lot of smoke the past couple weeks but little fire - which kind of reminds me of the days before the Lindor trade. Remember when they were in and then passed on Saguno and in and then cooled on Odorizzi. It obviously turned out they were really in on Lindor/Carrasco. Maybe they are really just sitting back right now and waiting for prices to keep dropping but it also wouldn't surprise me if we see something happen on the trade market that puts the recent passes into a different perspective (like Cain).
Anybody know the cutoff date to where the extension wouldn't hurt this years LT? Isn't it at the end of ST or something?
Anybody know the cutoff date to where the extension wouldn't hurt this years LT? Isn't it at the end of ST or something?
I believe opening day
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to give Lindor a 300+ million extension.
Anybody know the cutoff date to where the extension wouldn't hurt this years LT? Isn't it at the end of ST or something?
I believe opening day
Gotcha. Thanks.
Bauer is the obvious move. Mets lineup is already stacked and all these proposed acquisitions, such as Wong or Hernandez, make it weaker rather than stronger.
Hand is s good pitcher but Mets already have 3 lefty starters, two of whom will wind up in the pen when Thor comes back.
Offer Bauer a one year deal for the most money you can while staying u set the luxury tax threshold
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I think we should sign Bernie Sanders . He would have the best glove in baseball
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Mets have interest in Trevor Bauer but likely on a shorter deal (4 years or fewer). Dodgers could, too, but definitely short-term there. Other teams suggest they have impression Bauer prefers a longer deal. Agent Rachel Luba said: “He’s open to all different types of structures”
@Feinsand
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Sources from multiple teams say Brad Hand’s free agency could be nearing a conclusion. These teams have been told that Hand wants to make a decision soon, perhaps even by the end of this weekend.