Published: Jan 22, 2021 at 12:46 PM
Daniel Jeremiah
NFL Media analyst
Giants go WR at #11 but it ain't Kyle Pitts who goes one pick lower to San Fran at #12. And it's not Ja'Marr Chase (Miami Dolphins #3) nor DaVonte Smith (Detroit Lions #7).
And speaking of wide receivers, Kadarius Toney out of Florida goes to Washington at #19, which tells me one thing: NFL pundits are on the hunt for the next Tyreek Hill.
Good luck!
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He has some other goofy stuff there too, like Sewell going to Dallas at 10.
I like Waddle, but not this high, especially off the injury.
I like Waddle, but not this high, especially off the injury.
After seeing what an ankle did to OBJ, not sure Waddle is the way to go. With no combine how would you know if it was really healed.
I think Parsons,Pitts, and at least one of the receivers will be gone.Both corners might be there, along with a pass rusher for the Giants.
Same. Something about waddle scares me. If we are going offense and one of the big 2 WRs aren’t there than might as well go Pitts and hope they can make it work.
Agree. I’d prefer to draft a bigger outside WR to line up opposite Slayton over a slot WR. What happens to Shep? We continue to miscast him on the outside?
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Agree. I’d prefer to draft a bigger outside WR to line up opposite Slayton over a slot WR. What happens to Shep? We continue to miscast him on the outside?
I think OBJ makes a Waddle pick more likely. His problems weren’t his height. Waddle would be a great pick.
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If the draft fell that way. If not, Pitts.
Same. Something about waddle scares me. If we are going offense and one of the big 2 WRs aren’t there than might as well go Pitts and hope they can make it work.
Waddle is a slot receiver. Usually they’re not taken that high. If they sign a wide out like Golladay, he would make more sense.
Waddle IMO is not a sure enough bet at WR to take at #11. I’d take Pitts, Parsons, Surtain all over him in a heartbeat and double down on WR in the later rounds.
Also was kind of disappointed to find out that he’d be a 23 year old rookie. Not the end of the world but prospects who are 20-21 are a bit more exciting because they aren’t maxed out and also won’t be 27 or 28 by the time their first contract is up
I think OBJ makes a Waddle pick more likely. His problems weren’t his height. Waddle would be a great pick.
I've been thinking something similar, that Waddle kinda reminds me of OBJ - the catch radius, the explosiveness, the ability to shift gears. So he can probably thrive on the outside, but he certainly is not your prototypical 6'2" 200# + X receiver.
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Draftniks - make sure to read it.
The only one who freaks out in regards to fields is anakim. Nobody else. He’s a very limited QB and his AA won’t translate at the next level. He’ll need to become less of a runner and more of a passer. His arm to me isnt NFL caliber and he lacks drive on the ball. Wilson will be a stud and I’ve been saying this for a calendar year. Wilson will be the second QB off the board and it’s not close.
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This is the second mock I’ve seen that mentions Parsons maturity issues. The Athletic had a mock this week that said the same thing. He’s got maturity issues both on and off the field. This week is really the first I’m hearing of this. Anyone know what specifically they are talking about?
I would have to believe with Judge in the house and with what went on with this past season with the 1st round CB that shall not be mentioned, if Parsons does indeed have maturity issues, he’s likely a huge pass for this team. If these insinuations are even true.
- Chase at #3 seems awful high but maybe related to my first comment
- Justin Fields used to be right near top, is he dropping in other mocks as well?
- Definitely don't want the NYG to trade down based on so few blue and even red-chips. Which probably mean they finally will.
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Got lambasted here for saying the NFL people aren't going to like Fields as much as the media does and said Zack Wilson is the clear cut second guy in the class imo.
The only one who freaks out in regards to fields is anakim. Nobody else. He’s a very limited QB and his AA won’t translate at the next level. He’ll need to become less of a runner and more of a passer. His arm to me isnt NFL caliber and he lacks drive on the ball. Wilson will be a stud and I’ve been saying this for a calendar year. Wilson will be the second QB off the board and it’s not close.
Yeah I have seen few pepople - BBI and beyond - who are going nuts for Fields. I think viewing him as the 3rd or 4th best QB in this draft as a guy with a high ceiling and low floor is a pretty widely held opinion.
Didn't think of that, but wouldn't that make the first round or two of picks that much more important. And maybe it results in teams only being really comfortable with their primary set of tiers.
Either way, until the players being mocked in back half of rd 1 and early half of rd 2 start looking better, I prefer NYG stand as is.
Surtain is a good player but watched him get beat plenty in the SEC these past two years and has a lot of issues when he doesn't get to use his size/strength on wideouts. Mocking him consistently in the Top 10 may just be signaling how weak this CB group actually is.
I think there may be a lot of second round value with this CB class but wouldn't be reaching in round one.
- Chase at #3 seems awful high but maybe related to my first comment
- Justin Fields used to be right near top, is he dropping in other mocks as well?
- Definitely don't want the NYG to trade down based on so few blue and even red-chips. Which probably mean they finally will.
It’s a bit weak on defensive, but good on offense.
I alawayswant the Giants to trade down. And I hope they do this time.
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Casting a wide net of resources, I have picked up a few things.
The greatest positions of depth in no particular order are WR, DB, and OL.
LB, TE, and ER groups are thin.
RBs don't have any outstanding players (despite Harris and Etienne?) so may not see any of them come off the board in round one....
QB group is pretty strong but, hey guess what, so is the need, so if you're a QB needy team, don't wait for someone to fall in your lap.
Someone I found particulary interesting notes on was Trey Smith, OG Tennessee - 6'6" 330# an absolutely dominant OL, the #1 OL recruit from his HS class, and a true 21 year old senior who'll turn 22 this coming June.
As a freshman at Tenn, playing LT, he started every game, made 2nd team all SEC and Freshman All American - sound familiar? Like Andrew Thomas... but he had a significant congenital health issue with blood clotting in his lungs and dropped well down the prospect list because of it as he sat out the entire 2018 season taking remedial meds.
Came back very strong in 2019 and 2020 to play every game after he moved inside to guard.
His rep is as a man moutain people mover, primarily. Seems like a DG target in round 2 or 3 to me. Profile from Draft Network (whom I really don't like or trust) provided because I'm too lazy to dig for a better source.
But the NFL Draft Bible guy, Ric Serritella, mentioned him on two seperate interviws with different hosts on Giants podcasts as a guy to keep an eye on if the Giants want to move on from Zeitler and cement their OL. He feels Smith could be a dominant G or RT at the NFL level and an immediate starter.
Round 2 or 3 if his meds check out and project well going forward.
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Thanks for that!
But Brooks dissing Parsons in convo with some Cowboy's type (fan or beat?) sounds awfully lot like a deliberate disinformation ploy...
For what? To keep him on the board for the Cowboys at 10?
Cowboys BADLY need run defenders, (although I thought interior DL) and is Vander-Esch a career health ? Now?
Doesn't Brooks consult to the Cowboys, too?
- Chase at #3 seems awful high but maybe related to my first comment
- Justin Fields used to be right near top, is he dropping in other mocks as well?
- Definitely don't want the NYG to trade down based on so few blue and even red-chips. Which probably mean they finally will.
Weak draft? Not sure. But with Covid and the high end opt-outs, it's definitely the most bizarre.
Chase has a GREAT year last year. You can nitpick a few things - maybe not elite quickness? - but he's got a pretty big tool box that should help him make an impact immediately in the NFL. It's really the "out of sight, out of mind" thing with him. Once we really get into full draft mode, you are going to see more evaluations, IMV, moving him way up in this draft.
Fields being the #3 QB doesn't surprise me. Wilson was absolutely great this year. And Fields had the bumpy games against Northwestern and Indiana. Plus, BYU didn't face the best competition, but his talent jumped off the screen. Now Lance over Fields? I just don't see that with the year off for Lance. Lance has a lot of interesting skills, but the last thing a 1-AA prospect needed was his division calling off the entire year.
Casting a wide net of resources, I have picked up a few things.
The greatest positions of depth in no particular order are WR, DB, and OL.
LB, TE, and ER groups are thin.
RBs don't have any outstanding players (despite Harris and Etienne?) so may not see any of them come off the board in round one....
QB group is pretty strong but, hey guess what, so is the need, so if you're a QB needy team, don't wait for someone to fall in your lap.
Someone I found particulary interesting notes on was Trey Smith, OG Tennessee - 6'6" 330# an absolutely dominant OL, the #1 OL recruit from his HS class, and a true 21 year old senior who'll turn 22 this coming June.
As a freshman at Tenn, playing LT, he started every game, made 2nd team all SEC and Freshman All American - sound familiar? Like Andrew Thomas... but he had a significant congenital health issue with blood clotting in his lungs and dropped well down the prospect list because of it as he sat out the entire 2018 season taking remedial meds.
Came back very strong in 2019 and 2020 to play every game after he moved inside to guard.
His rep is as a man moutain people mover, primarily. Seems like a DG target in round 2 or 3 to me. Profile from Draft Network (whom I really don't like or trust) provided because I'm too lazy to dig for a better source.
But the NFL Draft Bible guy, Ric Serritella, mentioned him on two seperate interviws with different hosts on Giants podcasts as a guy to keep an eye on if the Giants want to move on from Zeitler and cement their OL. He feels Smith could be a dominant G or RT at the NFL level and an immediate starter.
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Good stuff JJ he sounds like an excellent OL prospect who wouldn't have a serious learning curve.
This is when you really need to have a top notch scouting department.
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- Anybody else think this is a weak overall Draft with some of these suspect players in the back half of round 1?
- Chase at #3 seems awful high but maybe related to my first comment
- Justin Fields used to be right near top, is he dropping in other mocks as well?
- Definitely don't want the NYG to trade down based on so few blue and even red-chips. Which probably mean they finally will.
Weak draft? Not sure. But with Covid and the high end opt-outs, it's definitely the most bizarre.
Chase has a GREAT year last year. You can nitpick a few things - maybe not elite quickness? - but he's got a pretty big tool box that should help him make an impact immediately in the NFL. It's really the "out of sight, out of mind" thing with him. Once we really get into full draft mode, you are going to see more evaluations, IMV, moving him way up in this draft.
Fields being the #3 QB doesn't surprise me. Wilson was absolutely great this year. And Fields had the bumpy games against Northwestern and Indiana. Plus, BYU didn't face the best competition, but his talent jumped off the screen. Now Lance over Fields? I just don't see that with the year off for Lance. Lance has a lot of interesting skills, but the last thing a 1-AA prospect needed was his division calling off the entire year.
I don’t think “interesting skills” quite captures the potential of 20 year old Lance, who put up a 42 TD and zero turnover line as an 18 year old. Maybe “freakish.” Agreed he’s a risk, as was Josh Allen with his small school rawness and inaccuracy — but hopefully our scouting department is up to the task and has the vision to determine whether he’d be worth the reward.
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- Anybody else think this is a weak overall Draft with some of these suspect players in the back half of round 1?
- Chase at #3 seems awful high but maybe related to my first comment
- Justin Fields used to be right near top, is he dropping in other mocks as well?
- Definitely don't want the NYG to trade down based on so few blue and even red-chips. Which probably mean they finally will.
Weak draft? Not sure. But with Covid and the high end opt-outs, it's definitely the most bizarre.
Chase has a GREAT year last year. You can nitpick a few things - maybe not elite quickness? - but he's got a pretty big tool box that should help him make an impact immediately in the NFL. It's really the "out of sight, out of mind" thing with him. Once we really get into full draft mode, you are going to see more evaluations, IMV, moving him way up in this draft.
Fields being the #3 QB doesn't surprise me. Wilson was absolutely great this year. And Fields had the bumpy games against Northwestern and Indiana. Plus, BYU didn't face the best competition, but his talent jumped off the screen. Now Lance over Fields? I just don't see that with the year off for Lance. Lance has a lot of interesting skills, but the last thing a 1-AA prospect needed was his division calling off the entire year.
I don’t think “interesting skills” quite captures the potential of 20 year old Lance, who put up a 42 TD and zero turnover line as an 18 year old. Maybe “freakish.” Agreed he’s a risk, as was Josh Allen with his small school rawness and inaccuracy — but hopefully our scouting department is up to the task and has the vision to determine whether he’d be worth the reward.
I'm not there with Lance as a thrower. I think that's going to be a work in progress. A project.
But he's a terrific athlete who can really make things happen with this legs. And that is a huge bonus in today's game.
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In comment 15131534 LBH15 said:
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- Anybody else think this is a weak overall Draft with some of these suspect players in the back half of round 1?
- Chase at #3 seems awful high but maybe related to my first comment
- Justin Fields used to be right near top, is he dropping in other mocks as well?
- Definitely don't want the NYG to trade down based on so few blue and even red-chips. Which probably mean they finally will.
Weak draft? Not sure. But with Covid and the high end opt-outs, it's definitely the most bizarre.
Chase has a GREAT year last year. You can nitpick a few things - maybe not elite quickness? - but he's got a pretty big tool box that should help him make an impact immediately in the NFL. It's really the "out of sight, out of mind" thing with him. Once we really get into full draft mode, you are going to see more evaluations, IMV, moving him way up in this draft.
Fields being the #3 QB doesn't surprise me. Wilson was absolutely great this year. And Fields had the bumpy games against Northwestern and Indiana. Plus, BYU didn't face the best competition, but his talent jumped off the screen. Now Lance over Fields? I just don't see that with the year off for Lance. Lance has a lot of interesting skills, but the last thing a 1-AA prospect needed was his division calling off the entire year.
I don’t think “interesting skills” quite captures the potential of 20 year old Lance, who put up a 42 TD and zero turnover line as an 18 year old. Maybe “freakish.” Agreed he’s a risk, as was Josh Allen with his small school rawness and inaccuracy — but hopefully our scouting department is up to the task and has the vision to determine whether he’d be worth the reward.
I'm not there with Lance as a thrower. I think that's going to be a work in progress. A project.
But he's a terrific athlete who can really make things happen with this legs. And that is a huge bonus in today's game.
And I’m definitely talking out my ass a bit, pretending to be an expert after watching a bunch of his highlight videos lol. That said, I have this burning desire for the Giants to at least scout the hell out of him — and not be afraid to show some vision on taking a leap if they like what they see.
An interruped 3 years of quality SEC OL play, every start, starting as a kid out of HS. Just sounds so much like Thomas, Lemieux, Gates and Peart. THR lists him as the 16th rated OL, PFF graded him as the 2nd best iOL.
Weak draft? Not sure. But with Covid and the high end opt-outs, it's definitely the most bizarre.
Chase has a GREAT year last year. You can nitpick a few things - maybe not elite quickness? - but he's got a pretty big tool box that should help him make an impact immediately in the NFL. It's really the "out of sight, out of mind" thing with him. Once we really get into full draft mode, you are going to see more evaluations, IMV, moving him way up in this draft.
Fields being the #3 QB doesn't surprise me. Wilson was absolutely great this year. And Fields had the bumpy games against Northwestern and Indiana. Plus, BYU didn't face the best competition, but his talent jumped off the screen. Now Lance over Fields? I just don't see that with the year off for Lance. Lance has a lot of interesting skills, but the last thing a 1-AA prospect needed was his division calling off the entire year.
I don’t think “interesting skills” quite captures the potential of 20 year old Lance, who put up a 42 TD and zero turnover line as an 18 year old. Maybe “freakish.” Agreed he’s a risk, as was Josh Allen with his small school rawness and inaccuracy — but hopefully our scouting department is up to the task and has the vision to determine whether he’d be worth the reward.
I'm not there with Lance as a thrower. I think that's going to be a work in progress. A project.
But he's a terrific athlete who can really make things happen with this legs. And that is a huge bonus in today's game.
And I’m definitely talking out my ass a bit, pretending to be an expert after watching a bunch of his highlight videos lol. That said, I have this burning desire for the Giants to at least scout the hell out of him — and not be afraid to show some vision on taking a leap if they like what they see.
Hey, I'm with you. The Giants should be neck deep with all of the QB prospects.
I'm actually from the school of thought that a team should draft a QB somewhere in the draft everywhere. That's because you never really know - because trying to predict QB play is such an art - that you just might find a diamond in the rough. And I would trade down in every draft to secure more picks.
Alas, those straight-forward principles don't exist at Jints Central...
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Weak draft? Not sure. But with Covid and the high end opt-outs, it's definitely the most bizarre.
Chase has a GREAT year last year. You can nitpick a few things - maybe not elite quickness? - but he's got a pretty big tool box that should help him make an impact immediately in the NFL. It's really the "out of sight, out of mind" thing with him. Once we really get into full draft mode, you are going to see more evaluations, IMV, moving him way up in this draft.
Fields being the #3 QB doesn't surprise me. Wilson was absolutely great this year. And Fields had the bumpy games against Northwestern and Indiana. Plus, BYU didn't face the best competition, but his talent jumped off the screen. Now Lance over Fields? I just don't see that with the year off for Lance. Lance has a lot of interesting skills, but the last thing a 1-AA prospect needed was his division calling off the entire year.
I don’t think “interesting skills” quite captures the potential of 20 year old Lance, who put up a 42 TD and zero turnover line as an 18 year old. Maybe “freakish.” Agreed he’s a risk, as was Josh Allen with his small school rawness and inaccuracy — but hopefully our scouting department is up to the task and has the vision to determine whether he’d be worth the reward.
I'm not there with Lance as a thrower. I think that's going to be a work in progress. A project.
But he's a terrific athlete who can really make things happen with this legs. And that is a huge bonus in today's game.
And I’m definitely talking out my ass a bit, pretending to be an expert after watching a bunch of his highlight videos lol. That said, I have this burning desire for the Giants to at least scout the hell out of him — and not be afraid to show some vision on taking a leap if they like what they see.
Hey, I'm with you. The Giants should be neck deep with all of the QB prospects.
I'm actually from the school of thought that a team should draft a QB somewhere in the draft everywhere. That's because you never really know - because trying to predict QB play is such an art - that you just might find a diamond in the rough. And I would trade down in every draft to secure more picks.
Alas, those straight-forward principles don't exist at Jints Central...
Amen to that brother. There are Daks floating around every year. Hope Jints is up to the scouting task in this strangest of years.
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Weak draft? Not sure. But with Covid and the high end opt-outs, it's definitely the most bizarre.
Chase has a GREAT year last year. You can nitpick a few things - maybe not elite quickness? - but he's got a pretty big tool box that should help him make an impact immediately in the NFL. It's really the "out of sight, out of mind" thing with him. Once we really get into full draft mode, you are going to see more evaluations, IMV, moving him way up in this draft.
Fields being the #3 QB doesn't surprise me. Wilson was absolutely great this year. And Fields had the bumpy games against Northwestern and Indiana. Plus, BYU didn't face the best competition, but his talent jumped off the screen. Now Lance over Fields? I just don't see that with the year off for Lance. Lance has a lot of interesting skills, but the last thing a 1-AA prospect needed was his division calling off the entire year.
I don’t think “interesting skills” quite captures the potential of 20 year old Lance, who put up a 42 TD and zero turnover line as an 18 year old. Maybe “freakish.” Agreed he’s a risk, as was Josh Allen with his small school rawness and inaccuracy — but hopefully our scouting department is up to the task and has the vision to determine whether he’d be worth the reward.
I'm not there with Lance as a thrower. I think that's going to be a work in progress. A project.
But he's a terrific athlete who can really make things happen with this legs. And that is a huge bonus in today's game.
And I’m definitely talking out my ass a bit, pretending to be an expert after watching a bunch of his highlight videos lol. That said, I have this burning desire for the Giants to at least scout the hell out of him — and not be afraid to show some vision on taking a leap if they like what they see.
Hey, I'm with you. The Giants should be neck deep with all of the QB prospects.
I'm actually from the school of thought that a team should draft a QB somewhere in the draft everywhere. That's because you never really know - because trying to predict QB play is such an art - that you just might find a diamond in the rough. And I would trade down in every draft to secure more picks.
Alas, those straight-forward principles don't exist at Jints Central...
“Are” up to it. Too many cocktails.