I think Pats will bounce back this fall. BB is too good & the defense had a ton of COVID opt outs.
I don’t see it. If Tua develops and Jets get Watson, they might be staring down the barrel of multiple double digit loss seasons for next few years.
Their OL has really detiorated again. Their D also isn’t good and very little coming out of the draft the last few years. McCourty, Chung are old. Hightower and Gilmore are on the decline. No real weapons at WR or TE anymore. James White is a FA. QB is just one of their question marks. They are very much entering a 3-4 year rebuild.
I would think right now, even without him, the WFT and a healthy Dallas are the top 2 favorites to win the division in 2021. Stafford probably puts them over the top
RE: Mahomes could be available in trade and it wouldn't happen here
Such a BS comment. Why most don’t take you serious around here. And if you cut idiotic stuff like this out, you might need considered one of the better thinkers/posters around here, imo.
Stafford is significantly more talented than Jones and would represent an upgrade at the most important position on the field, yet we all know the Giants won't even put in a call. And the reason they won't? Jones's scholarship status.
Stafford is significantly more talented than Jones and would represent an upgrade at the most important position on the field, yet we all know the Giants won't even put in a call. And the reason they won't? Jones's scholarship status.
Or - Jones is almost a decade younger. Pointless to build around a 32-33 year old QB. Giants should look into Watson, though.
has been the inability to close the deal, going back to his Georgia days.
Some of that was the talent he had around him and the coaching but its still there.
And of course BBI's resident "We Trust Judge in everything but QB's b/c we don't like ours" contingent is going to beat this subject to death.
Somehow he has closed the deal enough to lead the league in game-winning drives repeatedly during his career.
But we all know how much you love to just repeat players' college reputation throughout their NFL career.
Ultimately, unless one just likes to argue stats, the only stat that matters for a QB is winning games that count. Stafford has never taken the Lions past the Wild card round. I don't see him taking this Giants team every that far.
What's a better team in 2021? The Giants with Jones and Garrett as the OC? Or Stafford and Kitchens as the OC?
Everyone is talking about how they want to acquire wife receiver talent - that isn't going to make the offense much better. It may elevate the 31st offense to the 24th, but it will still be bad.
Trade for Stafford (offer Detroit Jones and a second rounder...that might do it) and make Kitchens the OC, and that will improve the offense more than any FA or draft picks could.
We don't have a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether we accept that now or next year.
What's a better team in 2021? The Giants with Jones and Garrett as the OC? Or Stafford and Kitchens as the OC?
Everyone is talking about how they want to acquire wife receiver talent - that isn't going to make the offense much better. It may elevate the 31st offense to the 24th, but it will still be bad.
Trade for Stafford (offer Detroit Jones and a second rounder...that might do it) and make Kitchens the OC, and that will improve the offense more than any FA or draft picks could.
We don't have a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether we accept that now or next year.
I hope you are wrong. But I can understand the viewpoint. Jones has proven nothing to this point. But I am rooting for him and I want him to succeed. His demeanor and attitude just the way he carries himself he will make a great face of the franchise. However he has to be good enough to win.
We’d be lucky to have Stafford at QB. Just really really hoping he doesn’t go to the WFT.
What's a better team in 2021? The Giants with Jones and Garrett as the OC? Or Stafford and Kitchens as the OC?
Everyone is talking about how they want to acquire wife receiver talent - that isn't going to make the offense much better. It may elevate the 31st offense to the 24th, but it will still be bad.
Trade for Stafford (offer Detroit Jones and a second rounder...that might do it) and make Kitchens the OC, and that will improve the offense more than any FA or draft picks could.
We don't have a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether we accept that now or next year.
I hope you are wrong. But I can understand the viewpoint. Jones has proven nothing to this point. But I am rooting for him and I want him to succeed. His demeanor and attitude just the way he carries himself he will make a great face of the franchise. However he has to be good enough to win.
We’d be lucky to have Stafford at QB. Just really really hoping he doesn’t go to the WFT.
I hope I'm wrong too. I'm rooting for him... Jones being great is by far the best scenario for the Giants. But wanting it doesn't mean anything, and buying our heads in the sand and pretending doesn't make us better fans. It just makes us dumb.
They were hit hard by injuries this year but they would be one of the most talented teams with him in the nfc next year. Colts and saints make sense too.
And I know lions are a dumpster fire but has stafford ever won a big game in his whole career?
Well, he got royally screwed in their 2014 playoff game against Dallas. And he played very well in that game.
He played well enough to win for sure but his other two playoff games were less than stellar.
In his first playoff game in 2012 against the Saints, Stafford threw for 380 yards, 8.8 YPA, 3 TDs, and 2 INTs, and a rushing TD. His QBR was 87.5 in that game, which is great.
They lost 45-28. There was no "D" in Detroit that day...
whomever trades for Stafford is on the hook for $20M in 2021 and $23M in 2022.
This would be a better use of money than paying Leonard Williams, and a better use of money than paying a free agent wide receiver.
Trade for Stafford, promote Kitchens to offensive coordinator, win NFC East in 2021.
Sweet Lord, do you watch any Lions games? The fans here in Detroit have hated his contract extension the minute he signed it. He’s not a winner. They basically had no choice but to sign him given their mid first round draft position that year and needs in other areas. He’s now 33 with multiple injuries the past few years. I’m not saying Jones is going to be the guy, but it sure as shit isn’t going to be Stafford. Sign LW, get a stud receiver and give Jones his third season to see what he can do with actual weapons at his disposal.
Remember, Stafford had one of the best receivers in NFL history at his disposal in Calvin Johnson and still didn’t win anything.
whomever trades for Stafford is on the hook for $20M in 2021 and $23M in 2022.
This would be a better use of money than paying Leonard Williams, and a better use of money than paying a free agent wide receiver.
Trade for Stafford, promote Kitchens to offensive coordinator, win NFC East in 2021.
Sooooo, you advocate trading assets for a 32 year old QB when we are only past year 2 of pur current QB and letting our very best defensive player leave in FA at the age of 27?
That is definition of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Then, next year when our run defense and pass rush falters, you will surely blame it on some other theory because you have an agenda that you are hell bent on.
I would have loved to have played sports with you and listened to you bitch, piss and moan every time you got knocked down.
RE: RE: RE: Trading for Stafford makes the Giants the favorite in the NFC East
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Trading for Stafford makes the Giants the favorite in the NFC East
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
You've been loudly wrong on a lot of things as I recall, and you're still here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Trading for Stafford makes the Giants the favorite in the NFC East
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
You've been loudly wrong on a lot of things as I recall, and you're still here.
Ummmmmmm, like what? Lol. I was wrong about the Giants extending Beckham, but Im pretty sure the entire sports world was wrong about that. Except you. That was your claim to fame.
I said I liked Jones, and still do but have been very critical of his play this year. I also didnt think the Giants would take him, but unlike you, I realize it takes more than two years for a QB to develop when he is surrounded by what Jones is.
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
You've been loudly wrong on a lot of things as I recall, and you're still here.
Ummmmmmm, like what? Lol. I was wrong about the Giants extending Beckham, but Im pretty sure the entire sports world was wrong about that. Except you. That was your claim to fame.
I said I liked Jones, and still do but have been very critical of his play this year. I also didnt think the Giants would take him, but unlike you, I realize it takes more than two years for a QB to develop when he is surrounded by what Jones is.
Other than that, what you got?
Well said. I think Jones must have pissed in Terps Cheerios or something. The last QB we had who won us 2 Super Bowls looked pretty crappy his first few years and he had an excellent defense, Tiki Barber, Shockey, an excellent like, and Burress starting in year 2. People are way too impatient with QB’s nowadays.
that emerged when we took Jones over Josh Allen. Everybody in that following needed a band leader (think the parent who went after Joe Clark in Lean On Me...thats Terps) to supplement all of the nepotism and good ol boy rhetoric that became the new narrative to resuscitate the same argument from the 70s. That is they spout off enough negative shit, and the Giants are terrible for another 10 years, they get equity or something in the football fan universe.
However, Jones is not THAT bad, has been surrounded by shit on offense and has played with guts. Fact is, we have to pay him 2 more years at least. If he sucks at that point, you crumple it up and try again. But the miserable, Samba wearing gemius who probably sucked at every sport he had ever played because he bitched so much has chosen to double down on the negativity and suggest trading draft/player capital to a team for a 32 y/o QB who hasnt sniffed postseason success despute playing with an all time great WR.
You truly cant make this up. Terps lives to be miserable and thinks thats a good niche spot for himself. Fact is, he is just a pompous dick who got scared away by that meatball Joey in VA.
Is going to the Niners. That team is prime to return to the playoffs when they get their players back as Stafford would make them an instant contender.
Is going to the Niners. That team is prime to return to the playoffs when they get their players back as Stafford would make them an instant contender.
Agreed. Them or the Colts. Both teams are missing only QBs.
I think Pitt scraps the whole thing amd starts over if Haskins doesnt work out. I think the Pats are in the same boat. Thing is they have young pieces that could have value.
As a Giant fan, would you want to take a flier on N'Keal Harry? He prob wouldnt cost too much.
Is underrated. “Not winning anything” is a fair criticism for most QBs with his won/loss record but not when they play for the Detroit Lions. This guy is tremendously talented.
Trading for him for the Giants is a little more dicey because he’s owed a lot of money and they have Jones, and he’s a lot older than Jones, but make no mistake-he’s significantly better. Unless a different style offense unlocks the “5 TDs vs Washington in 2019” Daniel Jones for every game of course.
never become a great QB, but he can most likely become at least as successful as Stafford. Hard pass on Stafford
Jones hasn't got a quarter of Stafford's natural talent and the fact that you don't see that shows you haven't got a clue about what you are looking at.
Snuff out every thread with negativity like you do.
Terps, with his knowledge, could’ve been a really good poster for the board. But he really is nothing but insufferable. I see his name on a thread and my eyes roll. Going around snuffing out threads is a perfect description of what his role is on the board. Unfortunate.
Let me know when Jones throws for 5k yards and 40 tds.
Do you ever get tired of your own bullshit?
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never become a great QB, but he can most likely become at least as successful as Stafford. Hard pass on Stafford
Let me know when Jones throws for 5k yards and 40 tds.
** in one year **
I don’t see it. If Tua develops and Jets get Watson, they might be staring down the barrel of multiple double digit loss seasons for next few years.
Their OL has really detiorated again. Their D also isn’t good and very little coming out of the draft the last few years. McCourty, Chung are old. Hightower and Gilmore are on the decline. No real weapons at WR or TE anymore. James White is a FA. QB is just one of their question marks. They are very much entering a 3-4 year rebuild.
I would think right now, even without him, the WFT and a healthy Dallas are the top 2 favorites to win the division in 2021. Stafford probably puts them over the top
Haha. You might be right.
Well, he got royally screwed in their 2014 playoff game against Dallas. And he played very well in that game.
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Well, he got royally screwed in their 2014 playoff game against Dallas. And he played very well in that game.
He played well enough to win for sure but his other two playoff games were less than stellar.
Such a BS comment. Why most don’t take you serious around here. And if you cut idiotic stuff like this out, you might need considered one of the better thinkers/posters around here, imo.
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as a backup abso fucking lutely
Stafford as the backup to Jones?
That would be the definition of scholarship.
Stafford has his share of shortcomings, but he laps Jones twice on physical talent as a QB.
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Jones's scholarship runs through 2021 at least.
Do you ever get tired of your own bullshit?
Is it an incorrect statement?
Stafford is significantly more talented than Jones and would represent an upgrade at the most important position on the field, yet we all know the Giants won't even put in a call. And the reason they won't? Jones's scholarship status.
Some of that was the talent he had around him and the coaching but its still there.
And of course BBI's resident "We Trust Judge in everything but QB's b/c we don't like ours" contingent is going to beat this subject to death.
Some of that was the talent he had around him and the coaching but its still there.
And of course BBI's resident "We Trust Judge in everything but QB's b/c we don't like ours" contingent is going to beat this subject to death.
Somehow he has closed the deal enough to lead the league in game-winning drives repeatedly during his career.
But we all know how much you love to just repeat players' college reputation throughout their NFL career.
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Jones's scholarship runs through 2021 at least.
Do you ever get tired of your own bullshit?
Is it an incorrect statement?
Stafford is significantly more talented than Jones and would represent an upgrade at the most important position on the field, yet we all know the Giants won't even put in a call. And the reason they won't? Jones's scholarship status.
Or - Jones is almost a decade younger. Pointless to build around a 32-33 year old QB. Giants should look into Watson, though.
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has been the inability to close the deal, going back to his Georgia days.
Some of that was the talent he had around him and the coaching but its still there.
And of course BBI's resident "We Trust Judge in everything but QB's b/c we don't like ours" contingent is going to beat this subject to death.
Somehow he has closed the deal enough to lead the league in game-winning drives repeatedly during his career.
But we all know how much you love to just repeat players' college reputation throughout their NFL career.
Ultimately, unless one just likes to argue stats, the only stat that matters for a QB is winning games that count. Stafford has never taken the Lions past the Wild card round. I don't see him taking this Giants team every that far.
Really hope WFT doesn’t get one of these guys.
What's a better team in 2021? The Giants with Jones and Garrett as the OC? Or Stafford and Kitchens as the OC?
Everyone is talking about how they want to acquire wife receiver talent - that isn't going to make the offense much better. It may elevate the 31st offense to the 24th, but it will still be bad.
Trade for Stafford (offer Detroit Jones and a second rounder...that might do it) and make Kitchens the OC, and that will improve the offense more than any FA or draft picks could.
We don't have a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether we accept that now or next year.
What's a better team in 2021? The Giants with Jones and Garrett as the OC? Or Stafford and Kitchens as the OC?
Everyone is talking about how they want to acquire wife receiver talent - that isn't going to make the offense much better. It may elevate the 31st offense to the 24th, but it will still be bad.
Trade for Stafford (offer Detroit Jones and a second rounder...that might do it) and make Kitchens the OC, and that will improve the offense more than any FA or draft picks could.
We don't have a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether we accept that now or next year.
I hope you are wrong. But I can understand the viewpoint. Jones has proven nothing to this point. But I am rooting for him and I want him to succeed. His demeanor and attitude just the way he carries himself he will make a great face of the franchise. However he has to be good enough to win.
We’d be lucky to have Stafford at QB. Just really really hoping he doesn’t go to the WFT.
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They just haven't accepted it yet.
What's a better team in 2021? The Giants with Jones and Garrett as the OC? Or Stafford and Kitchens as the OC?
Everyone is talking about how they want to acquire wife receiver talent - that isn't going to make the offense much better. It may elevate the 31st offense to the 24th, but it will still be bad.
Trade for Stafford (offer Detroit Jones and a second rounder...that might do it) and make Kitchens the OC, and that will improve the offense more than any FA or draft picks could.
We don't have a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether we accept that now or next year.
I hope you are wrong. But I can understand the viewpoint. Jones has proven nothing to this point. But I am rooting for him and I want him to succeed. His demeanor and attitude just the way he carries himself he will make a great face of the franchise. However he has to be good enough to win.
We’d be lucky to have Stafford at QB. Just really really hoping he doesn’t go to the WFT.
I hope I'm wrong too. I'm rooting for him... Jones being great is by far the best scenario for the Giants. But wanting it doesn't mean anything, and buying our heads in the sand and pretending doesn't make us better fans. It just makes us dumb.
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And I know lions are a dumpster fire but has stafford ever won a big game in his whole career?
Well, he got royally screwed in their 2014 playoff game against Dallas. And he played very well in that game.
He played well enough to win for sure but his other two playoff games were less than stellar.
In his first playoff game in 2012 against the Saints, Stafford threw for 380 yards, 8.8 YPA, 3 TDs, and 2 INTs, and a rushing TD. His QBR was 87.5 in that game, which is great.
They lost 45-28. There was no "D" in Detroit that day...
This would be a better use of money than paying Leonard Williams, and a better use of money than paying a free agent wide receiver.
Trade for Stafford, promote Kitchens to offensive coordinator, win NFC East in 2021.
Annnnnnd hes off folks!
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Annnnnnd hes off folks!
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
This would be a better use of money than paying Leonard Williams, and a better use of money than paying a free agent wide receiver.
Trade for Stafford, promote Kitchens to offensive coordinator, win NFC East in 2021.
Sweet Lord, do you watch any Lions games? The fans here in Detroit have hated his contract extension the minute he signed it. He’s not a winner. They basically had no choice but to sign him given their mid first round draft position that year and needs in other areas. He’s now 33 with multiple injuries the past few years. I’m not saying Jones is going to be the guy, but it sure as shit isn’t going to be Stafford. Sign LW, get a stud receiver and give Jones his third season to see what he can do with actual weapons at his disposal.
Remember, Stafford had one of the best receivers in NFL history at his disposal in Calvin Johnson and still didn’t win anything.
This would be a better use of money than paying Leonard Williams, and a better use of money than paying a free agent wide receiver.
Trade for Stafford, promote Kitchens to offensive coordinator, win NFC East in 2021.
Sooooo, you advocate trading assets for a 32 year old QB when we are only past year 2 of pur current QB and letting our very best defensive player leave in FA at the age of 27?
That is definition of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Then, next year when our run defense and pass rush falters, you will surely blame it on some other theory because you have an agenda that you are hell bent on.
I would have loved to have played sports with you and listened to you bitch, piss and moan every time you got knocked down.
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Annnnnnd hes off folks!
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
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Annnnnnd hes off folks!
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
You've been loudly wrong on a lot of things as I recall, and you're still here.
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Annnnnnd hes off folks!
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
You've been loudly wrong on a lot of things as I recall, and you're still here.
Ummmmmmm, like what? Lol. I was wrong about the Giants extending Beckham, but Im pretty sure the entire sports world was wrong about that. Except you. That was your claim to fame.
I said I liked Jones, and still do but have been very critical of his play this year. I also didnt think the Giants would take him, but unlike you, I realize it takes more than two years for a QB to develop when he is surrounded by what Jones is.
Other than that, what you got?
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Annnnnnd hes off folks!
It's a pipe dream. Can't interrupt the scholarship.
Is that your new phrase du jour ypu are adopting? Lol, if Jones turns it around next year, I hope you have the balls...nope, not gonna go too far, the sense of pride to just fade into obscurity.
You've been loudly wrong on a lot of things as I recall, and you're still here.
Ummmmmmm, like what? Lol. I was wrong about the Giants extending Beckham, but Im pretty sure the entire sports world was wrong about that. Except you. That was your claim to fame.
I said I liked Jones, and still do but have been very critical of his play this year. I also didnt think the Giants would take him, but unlike you, I realize it takes more than two years for a QB to develop when he is surrounded by what Jones is.
Other than that, what you got?
Well said. I think Jones must have pissed in Terps Cheerios or something. The last QB we had who won us 2 Super Bowls looked pretty crappy his first few years and he had an excellent defense, Tiki Barber, Shockey, an excellent like, and Burress starting in year 2. People are way too impatient with QB’s nowadays.
However, Jones is not THAT bad, has been surrounded by shit on offense and has played with guts. Fact is, we have to pay him 2 more years at least. If he sucks at that point, you crumple it up and try again. But the miserable, Samba wearing gemius who probably sucked at every sport he had ever played because he bitched so much has chosen to double down on the negativity and suggest trading draft/player capital to a team for a 32 y/o QB who hasnt sniffed postseason success despute playing with an all time great WR.
You truly cant make this up. Terps lives to be miserable and thinks thats a good niche spot for himself. Fact is, he is just a pompous dick who got scared away by that meatball Joey in VA.
Agreed. Them or the Colts. Both teams are missing only QBs.
I think Pitt scraps the whole thing amd starts over if Haskins doesnt work out. I think the Pats are in the same boat. Thing is they have young pieces that could have value.
As a Giant fan, would you want to take a flier on N'Keal Harry? He prob wouldnt cost too much.
Trading for him for the Giants is a little more dicey because he’s owed a lot of money and they have Jones, and he’s a lot older than Jones, but make no mistake-he’s significantly better. Unless a different style offense unlocks the “5 TDs vs Washington in 2019” Daniel Jones for every game of course.
Bringing him on for nothing means we can't do anything else to improve the team. Sheesh.
Jones hasn't got a quarter of Stafford's natural talent and the fact that you don't see that shows you haven't got a clue about what you are looking at.
Terps, with his knowledge, could’ve been a really good poster for the board. But he really is nothing but insufferable. I see his name on a thread and my eyes roll. Going around snuffing out threads is a perfect description of what his role is on the board. Unfortunate.
WFT picked 2nd, still would have taken Thomas in that scenario.
well maybe not - but they would have gotten a QB - and wash would have traded with LA -- when we would have gotten CHase : )