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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/24/2021 11:41 am
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RE: Well, someone came up small again, didn't he?  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/24/2021 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15132842 Hammer said:
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Came up small? He was the best player on the field today.
Green Bay hosted the ‘08 championship game  
jeff57 : 1/24/2021 6:19 pm : link
What’s Buck talking about.
There you go  
SomeFan : 1/24/2021 6:19 pm : link
TB in SB
RE: RE: RE: RE: Grabbing  
Sammo85 : 1/24/2021 6:19 pm : link
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the jersey always gets the flag.



Except it didn't on the INT before half.



Angles. Going across the middle of the field like that the back judge is always going to see that sort of pull of the jersey



back judge isnt the only one who can make the call you know. That ball was never going to be catchable, either. Johnson flopped like a fish and should never have been rewarded.

But the real issue here is Lafleur. Coaches do not recover from games like this.


Yep. I wonder if Rodgers gets out of GB in a year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Grabbing  
Matt M. : 1/24/2021 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15132848 MookGiants said:
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the jersey always gets the flag.



Except it didn't on the INT before half.



Angles. Going across the middle of the field like that the back judge is always going to see that sort of pull of the jersey



back judge isnt the only one who can make the call you know. That ball was never going to be catchable, either. Johnson flopped like a fish and should never have been rewarded.

But the real issue here is Lafleur. Coaches do not recover from games like this.
That's the real question...was it catchable? With PI that makes a difference. With holding it does not and they called PI.
I think LaFleur made the right call  
MetsAreBack : 1/24/2021 6:20 pm : link
If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.

They keep saying Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG. I remember Atlanta SF and this one. Are they throwing the narrative when favre lost to Manning at him now or am I forgetting one?

Yes I could research this
if I'm Rodgers  
MookGiants : 1/24/2021 6:20 pm : link
I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.
Good for JPP  
Chris684 : 1/24/2021 6:20 pm : link
Really happy for him after the accident he had.

The fact he came back to play football was impressive enough but to still be a really good player and now appear in a Super Bowl.

Really happy for him.
Brady with three INTs...  
bw in dc : 1/24/2021 6:20 pm : link
on the road and he gets the W.

The Four Leaf Clover Club.
RE: if I'm Rodgers  
SomeFan : 1/24/2021 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15132863 MookGiants said:
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.

That asshole will likely do just that.
RE: Matt Lafleur is going to get crucified for not going for  
Greg from LI : 1/24/2021 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15132850 dpinzow said:
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the 4th and goal


As well he should
RE: if I'm Rodgers  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2021 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15132863 MookGiants said:
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.


But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?
RE: Green Bay hosted the ‘08 championship game  
bigbluescot : 1/24/2021 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15132857 jeff57 said:
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What’s Buck talking about.


That was Favre (his last game in gb)
I mean, going for the FG wasn’t even the safe call  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/24/2021 6:21 pm : link
...and it wasn’t the bold call, it was just stupid.
I’m shocked and stunned ...  
Jim from Katonah : 1/24/2021 6:21 pm : link
... they didn’t try to tie it and took it out of the MVP’s hands. Dumbfounded.
Still don't get why he kicked.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/24/2021 6:22 pm : link
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RE: RE: if I'm Rodgers  
Saquads26 : 1/24/2021 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15132870 Big Blue '56 said:
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.



But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?


He could have easily run for that TD. PATHETIC CHOKE like always from Rodgers
RE: if I'm Rodgers  
Mike in NY : 1/24/2021 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15132863 MookGiants said:
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.


He should be bitching about why they drafted Jordan Love over Brandon Aiyuk or Michael Pittman
RE: I think LaFleur made the right call  
MookGiants : 1/24/2021 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15132862 MetsAreBack said:
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If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.

They keep saying Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG. I remember Atlanta SF and this one. Are they throwing the narrative when favre lost to Manning at him now or am I forgetting one?

Yes I could research this


This take makes zero sense. It doesn't matter if it was a "long shot". If they don't get it, the defense can still stop them and get the ball back, and they would have them pinned deep in their territory.

There is zero argument for kicking the field goal there. They were in the exact same position they were before the 4th down play, needing a touchdown to have a chance to win. Except before the 4th down play they actually had the ball.

That Lafleur even thought about kicking the field goal there is mind numbing. You have one fo the best QB's in the sport, you dont take the ball out of his hands.
RE: RE: if I'm Rodgers  
darren in pdx : 1/24/2021 6:23 pm : link
In comment 15132870 Big Blue '56 said:
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.



But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?


One of them the WR would have most likely gotten in if they didn't have a total brain fart and paid attention..but still, worst case scenario is now that Brady is backed up and has already thrown a few bad picks recently..
RE: I think LaFleur made the right call  
Sammo85 : 1/24/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15132862 MetsAreBack said:
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If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.

They keep saying Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG. I remember Atlanta SF and this one. Are they throwing the narrative when favre lost to Manning at him now or am I forgetting one?

Yes I could research this


LOL. We beat him. 2012.
RE: RE: I think LaFleur made the right call  
SomeFan : 1/24/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15132879 MookGiants said:
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If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.

They keep saying Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG. I remember Atlanta SF and this one. Are they throwing the narrative when favre lost to Manning at him now or am I forgetting one?

Yes I could research this



This take makes zero sense. It doesn't matter if it was a "long shot". If they don't get it, the defense can still stop them and get the ball back, and they would have them pinned deep in their territory.

There is zero argument for kicking the field goal there. They were in the exact same position they were before the 4th down play, needing a touchdown to have a chance to win. Except before the 4th down play they actually had the ball.

That Lafleur even thought about kicking the field goal there is mind numbing. You have one fo the best QB's in the sport, you dont take the ball out of his hands.

I do agree. That was a questionable decision.
RE: I’m shocked and stunned ...  
Les in TO : 1/24/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15132873 Jim from Katonah said:
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... they didn’t try to tie it and took it out of the MVP’s hands. Dumbfounded.
agreed. Even if you don’t score you have pinned them deep in their own territory. Not sure if this was him being too cute or too deferential to AI decision making but it was a bad call
RE: Good for JPP  
AcidTest : 1/24/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15132865 Chris684 said:
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Really happy for him after the accident he had.

The fact he came back to play football was impressive enough but to still be a really good player and now appear in a Super Bowl.

Really happy for him.


Agreed.
RE: I think LaFleur made the right call  
MookGiants : 1/24/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15132862 MetsAreBack said:
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If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.

They keep saying Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG. I remember Atlanta SF and this one. Are they throwing the narrative when favre lost to Manning at him now or am I forgetting one?

Yes I could research this


Seattle, when his coach also blew the game and never recovered from that loss.

This will be no different, except they are pissing away Rodgers last few top years in the meantime.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Grabbing  
bigbluescot : 1/24/2021 6:25 pm : link
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the jersey always gets the flag.



Except it didn't on the INT before half.



Angles. Going across the middle of the field like that the back judge is always going to see that sort of pull of the jersey



back judge isnt the only one who can make the call you know. That ball was never going to be catchable, either. Johnson flopped like a fish and should never have been rewarded.

But the real issue here is Lafleur. Coaches do not recover from games like this.


Well of course the BJ isn’t the only dude who can throw a flag, what I’m saying is that sort of pull is glaringly obvious to a BJ when the receiver and cb are running across the middle of the field. The position and responsibilities of the side judges when the play is going vertical is far more than a Back judge in an intermediate pass across the middle of the pass. The Bj is stationary watching it, the side judges need to move a lot more
That reverse play to Godwin to ice the game was  
cosmicj : 1/24/2021 6:26 pm : link
Just a brilliant playcall.
RE: RE: I think LaFleur made the right call  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15132888 MookGiants said:
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If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.

They keep saying Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG. I remember Atlanta SF and this one. Are they throwing the narrative when favre lost to Manning at him now or am I forgetting one?

Yes I could research this



Seattle, when his coach also blew the game and never recovered from that loss.

This will be no different, except they are pissing away Rodgers last few top years in the meantime.


Agree about Seattle..Throw in Atlanta as well
RE: RE: I think LaFleur made the right call  
bluesince56 : 1/24/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15132883 Sammo85 said:
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If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.

They keep saying Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCCG. I remember Atlanta SF and this one. Are they throwing the narrative when favre lost to Manning at him now or am I forgetting one?

Yes I could research this



LOL. We beat him. 2012.


I wasn’t the Championship game. We played SF the week later .
Brady wants to play to 45 and I think he could do it.....  
Simms11 : 1/24/2021 6:26 pm : link
He’s amazing for a 43 year old! He just knows how to win, where to place the ball. He knows the game so well after 20+ years. You’d have to favor them again next year, as well.

I can only wish that DJ has a fraction of the career that Brady has had!
RE: RE: I’m shocked and stunned ...  
PatersonPlank : 1/24/2021 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15132885 Les in TO said:
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... they didn’t try to tie it and took it out of the MVP’s hands. Dumbfounded.

agreed. Even if you don’t score you have pinned them deep in their own territory. Not sure if this was him being too cute or too deferential to AI decision making but it was a bad call


I agree, I would have went for it there. Worst case the Bucs get the ball on the 6.
RE: RE: RE: if I'm Rodgers  
LBH15 : 1/24/2021 6:27 pm : link
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.



But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?



He could have easily run for that TD. PATHETIC CHOKE like always from Rodgers


Maybe but far from a choke. Not a good take, again.
RE: Brady wants to play to 45 and I think he could do it.....  
bluesince56 : 1/24/2021 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15132897 Simms11 said:
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He’s amazing for a 43 year old! He just knows how to win, where to place the ball. He knows the game so well after 20+ years. You’d have to favor them again next year, as well.

I can only wish that DJ has a fraction of the career that Brady has had!


Brady had three picks today. He also has a few bad throws. He’s D won the game today
RE: RE: RE: RE: if I'm Rodgers  
Saquads26 : 1/24/2021 6:31 pm : link
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.



But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?



He could have easily run for that TD. PATHETIC CHOKE like always from Rodgers



Maybe but far from a choke. Not a good take, again.


1-4 in NFC championships. But look his commercial is on TV!!!
Right .., Seattle  
MetsAreBack : 1/24/2021 6:31 pm : link
When an onside kick recovery would have iced it
You would think they  
bc4life : 1/24/2021 6:32 pm : link
call up one of the defensive players after the game? Lot of pressure, bunch of sacks.
Am I taking crazy pills or is THE story ...  
Jim from Katonah : 1/24/2021 6:33 pm : link
... taking the ball out of the hands of your MVP and 20 TD Adams ... with 2:10 left ... needing a TD even after a FG ... and giving it back to Brady? I’m just dumbfounded.
RE: Right .., Seattle  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2021 6:33 pm : link
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When an onside kick recovery would have iced it


Not understanding the post. Explain? I believe Mook was referencing the stupid Carroll call at the goal line in the SB
Packer fans will complain about some missed calls  
bc4life : 1/24/2021 6:34 pm : link
But, giving up that TD right before halftime, kicking the FG instead of going for TD at 8 yard line. Lack of points off of turnovers. They have a lot of culpability
Jim from Katonah  
bc4life : 1/24/2021 6:35 pm : link
Yes, if you don't make it you have them pinned deep in their own territory.

I think you bet on Rodgers there
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: if I'm Rodgers  
Jim from Katonah : 1/24/2021 6:37 pm : link
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.



But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?



He could have easily run for that TD. PATHETIC CHOKE like always from Rodgers



Maybe but far from a choke. Not a good take, again.



1-4 in NFC championships. But look his commercial is on TV!!!


Between Lamar and Rodgers you are in your glory. And on a taunting roll. Who are you rooting for between Mahomes and Allen so I can get some late $ on the other guy?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: if I'm Rodgers  
Jim from Katonah : 1/24/2021 6:38 pm : link
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.



But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?



He could have easily run for that TD. PATHETIC CHOKE like always from Rodgers



Maybe but far from a choke. Not a good take, again.



1-4 in NFC championships. But look his commercial is on TV!!!



Between Lamar and Rodgers you are in your glory. And on a taunting roll. Who are you rooting for between Mahomes and Allen so I can get some late $ on the other guy?


I screwed up that joke, but anyway, congrats.
RE: Am I taking crazy pills or is THE story ...  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2021 6:39 pm : link
In comment 15132914 Jim from Katonah said:
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... taking the ball out of the hands of your MVP and 20 TD Adams ... with 2:10 left ... needing a TD even after a FG ... and giving it back to Brady? I’m just dumbfounded.


Makes no sense, especially given that not getting it means they were pinned inside the 10. 1 mistake there, especially a safety, completely changes the game.
RE: RE: Right .., Seattle  
MookGiants : 1/24/2021 6:40 pm : link
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When an onside kick recovery would have iced it



Not understanding the post. Explain? I believe Mook was referencing the stupid Carroll call at the goal line in the SB


Nope, was referencing the NFC title game where McCarthy's mind numbing situational management cost them the game, never should have gotten to the point of the onside kick.

McCarthy never recovered from that game. Dan Quinn never recovered from the Super Bowl. Matt Lafleur will never recover from this one. His management of the situation before half made no sense either. Gets a 1st down with Lazard to the 40 with 2 timeouts and 1 minute to go and doesnt call timeout.

Unless you are Belichick, you dont recover from losses like this as a coach.
RE: RE: Am I taking crazy pills or is THE story ...  
map7711 : 1/24/2021 6:42 pm : link
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... taking the ball out of the hands of your MVP and 20 TD Adams ... with 2:10 left ... needing a TD even after a FG ... and giving it back to Brady? I’m just dumbfounded.



Makes no sense, especially given that not getting it means they were pinned inside the 10. 1 mistake there, especially a safety, completely changes the game.


Plus kicking the FG means you are pinning your hopes on stopping the other team down by 5.

Problem is- this isn’t some 3rd year QB. This is the F ing best QB to play the game.

Dumb decision.
RE: I think LaFleur made the right call  
EricJ : 1/24/2021 6:45 pm : link
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If your defense can’t make one of two/three stops then you don’t deserve it. 4th and 9 is a long shot.


I am sorry but it was the wrong call. I would agree if they kick the FG and they are now trailing by 3pts or less. They still needed a TD. So not converting on 4th down there would have meant nothing. In fact, it would have pinned the Bucs deep in their own end and if their defense held like you say... then they get the ball back at mid field.
The reason I’m not sold on the 2 point math  
Leg of Theismann : 1/24/2021 6:45 pm : link
Is because: yes, based on probabilities, your “expected points” is higher when you go for 2 twice as opposed to kick 2 UPs (for instance). But the thing these calculations don’t always consider is the variance. For instance: you have a higher probability of missing BOTH 2 pt tries than you do of missing 1 of your XP tries. So your upside is greater but your downside is also greater (the greater upside outweighs the greater downside, but do you really want to take that chance on the greater downside?— the downside could be a 1-point difference to where you lose the game. Are you sure you want your entire game’s outcome to ride firmly on this one decision? Personally, sometimes, I’d rather take the decision with less variance I.e. more certainty and just take the lower “expected” point total — live to see another day as they say.)

As an extreme example of what I’m talking about:
Would you rather play a $1 lottery with a 99% chance of winning, or a $100 lottery with a 1% chance if winning. In the former, you have an expected winnings of $0.99 , whereas in the latter you have an expected winnings of $1. BUT you have to consider variance. It’s extremely likely you walk away with nothing in the latter scenario. So the answer is: how badly do you need $1.00 ? If it’s the difference between you eating that day and not eating, I think you’ll take your 99% chance and run. If $1 doesn’t mean much to you, you will likely take your chances at winning $100.

This was just an extreme example, but I’m just using it to show how I often don’t see much discussion of variance when we talk about these 2-pt try analytics. I only see probabilities and expected points. In football, it matters a lot because the game isn’t just about trying to accumulate the most possible points PER SE— it’s about accumulating more points than your opponent, so the outcome is also dependent on how many points your opponent has. And whether or not the game continues on (I.e. you go to OT) depends on that too.

There’s no right or wrong answer— It does often depend on whether or not you want to be more or less aggressive in particular situations, but I don’t like how they always seem to present as this or that is the “correct” decision because IMO it’s not taking into account every single important factor that determines who wins or loses a game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: if I'm Rodgers  
Saquads26 : 1/24/2021 6:46 pm : link
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I'm going to management and asking for Lafleur to be fired, wouldnt care how it looked in the media. I wouldnt want to play for a coach who kicks a field goal there on 4th and goal.



But ignore Rodgers’ 3 straight incompletions from the 8? He gets no blame?



He could have easily run for that TD. PATHETIC CHOKE like always from Rodgers



Maybe but far from a choke. Not a good take, again.



1-4 in NFC championships. But look his commercial is on TV!!!



Between Lamar and Rodgers you are in your glory. And on a taunting roll. Who are you rooting for between Mahomes and Allen so I can get some late $ on the other guy?



I screwed up that joke, but anyway, congrats.


Don't put Lamar in the same sentence as Rodgers, Lamar will never even play in 5 conference titles.
2 XPs*  
Leg of Theismann : 1/24/2021 6:47 pm : link
Damn phone - typo
Good thing  
MtDizzle : 1/24/2021 9:48 pm : link
we let that JPP guy go.
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