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The New York Yankees have acquired Jameson Taillon from the Pittsburgh Pirates for Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto and
Canaan Smith, sources tell ESPN.
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Source confirms the Yankees will send Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto and Canaan Smith to the Pirates for Taillon. First with the return:
@JeffPassan
I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.
The two pitchers profile as mid to end rotation types. Escotto surprised last year but is so far away. I like Smith but he's no big loss. Maybe they could've parted ways with others like Siegler.
Still, seems like a lot of give up for such a pitcher. It's not like we are getting Glasnow and have Tampa's coaching staff.
I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.
Huge HS prospect, never really lived up to THAT billing but 2018 looked very good in 2017 and 2018
Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto, Canaan Smith
I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.
He is an excellent pitcher was healthy. On his way to becoming a borderline ace before injury cost him the bulk of two years. Issue is how close he can get to what he was two years ago, and he will be a FA in two years by the time he is back to a full workload
But that’s why they got him for what they did. Good, high upside move IMO
Clears 2 spots for 1- allows them to complete one of the two signings from DJLM or Kluber. Only need to make one roster move after that.
Yajure was #15 on MLB’s top 30 prospect list, while Contreras came in at #19 on that list. Canaan Smith was #21.
Yajure actually pitched with the Yanks last year. Contreras was getting close- might have opened in AA this season, but neither one is in the Yanks top 5 pitching prospects.
Smith is interesting as he is a high OBP type with emerging power. However as a HS draftee who needed reps and has not played above high A ball, he was really hurt by missing out on 2020.
Escotto is really far from the bigs, but likely has the highest upside- but you can’t really draw much on a guy who is at least 4 solid developmental years from being in the bigs.
RE: We saw Yujure last year, more pitchability than pure stuff.
Contreras was part of the talented rotation at Charlston two years ago, 94-95 with good CU, but not the best of that bunch.
Smith, projectable bat, good patience, with limited athleticism and defensive position.
Escotto may have the highest upside.
Smith was a HS QB and I think he has more athleticism than he is given credit for. He has the arm to stick as a corner OF, but ultimately I think it will be a question of will he hit for enough pop.
Let's go get Keller now before the Pirates ruins him.
He should be ready to go immediately.
The only question is whether they limit his innings. He did throw over 190 IP in 2019 before injury, but teams have been cautious in the first year back from TJ. However, he is no young rookie, but an experienced vet who has racked up a significant number of MLB innings.
It’s possible that they only limit his early season innings so he doesn’t exceed 175 or so. They may also decide to have an even lower number than that- like 150.
I think that he is more likely to be limited to short outings in April and May, then let him lose and let results decide how long he goes each night.
I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.
He is an excellent pitcher was healthy. On his way to becoming a borderline ace before injury cost him the bulk of two years. Issue is how close he can get to what he was two years ago, and he will be a FA in two years by the time he is back to a full workload
But that’s why they got him for what they did. Good, high upside move IMO
Thanks DanMetro and KDavies. It seems like it’s worth the risk. It’s so hard to find quality pitchers.
They held on to the better ones and Taillon’s upside is huge. They needed to clear some roster spots and they couldn’t have half a dozen gush who never played above A Ball under there. Smith has a lot of talent but he’s two years away. Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range. Contreras is probably the best of the bunch, at least in terms of upside, but Gil and Medina are better prospects and Yoendrys Gomez is comparable.
Cole, Kluber, Taillon, and then some mixture of Sevy (at some point), German (pending his issues), Monty, Deivi, Schmidt, King.... am I missing anyone?
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
The Yanks gave up quite a bit for a guy who could be good but has trouble staying healthy. At least with Kluber that was a kick the tires signing where the Yanks only gave up cash to sign him
some upside. probably a good deal. a good risk to take. but he can't stay healthy and his k/9 leaves something to be desired, especially in the NL, if i'm being honest
Pittsburgh drafted Taillon with the second overall pick of the 2010 draft, sandwiched between Bryce Harper and Manny Machado. He may not have the name recognition or star power of those two, but Taillon has been pretty good in the majors when healthy. The 29 year-old right-hander owns a 3.67 ERA and 3.55 FIP in 466 big league frames. It’s unfortunate that health issues have only allowed him to throw 466 innings since he debuted in 2016.
Taillon hasn’t pitched in the majors since May 1st, 2019. He was placed on the injured list with a forearm strain and later underwent Tommy John surgery in August. It’s the second Tommy John of his career, the first of which came in the minors in 2014. I’ll dive deeper into his health history in a moment.
When he was last on the mound, Taillon averaged 95 on the gun with his fastball and sinker, pitches he threw a combined 57 percent of the time in his only full season (2018). The sinker has allowed him to maintain low home run rates (0.93 per nine innings for his career). Taillon also has offered a hammer curveball, slider, and rare changeup. The curve has been a spin rate darling (2700+ RPM) and garnered plenty of whiffs. In ’19, he started to lean into his slider much more (up from 18.4 percent in ’18 to 31.9 percent usage in ’19) before the second TJS.
For as great of an arsenal as Taillon has had, he doesn’t post spectacular strikeout rates. His lifetime 21.5 percent K percentage isn’t bad or anything, but he could probably do better. At the same time, he does offer terrific control (6.0 percent walk rate). Perhaps he’s someone who can make a few tweaks in a more forward-thinking organization and unlock some more whiffs. Happened to his former teammate Gerrit Cole, you know.
He is 29, made his major league debut in 2016, only had 18 starts and 104 innings, in 2017 had 25 starts with 133 innings, in 2018 had 32 starts with 191 innings, in 2019 had 7 starts with 37 innings, so he has plenty of innings left, he does not have a lot of wear as far as pitching is concerned, he is a 6'5", 230 lb. power pitcher, a Cashman fit, he wants power pitchers and power hitters. This could end up being a good move.
He is 29, made his major league debut in 2016, only had 18 starts and 104 innings, in 2017 had 25 starts with 133 innings, in 2018 had 32 starts with 191 innings, in 2019 had 7 starts with 37 innings, so he has plenty of innings left, he does not have a lot of wear as far as pitching is concerned, he is a 6'5", 230 lb. power pitcher, a Cashman fit, he wants power pitchers and power hitters. This could end up being a good move.
that is not the strike out rate of a great power pitcher. strike out rates don't suddenly go up at the age of 29. I'm a Yankees fan. I want to love this move. But he's not a pitcher with much potential to be a top of the rotation starter.
I think it would be overly optimistic to count on Severino, Kluber and
Taillon to occupy 3 spots in the rotation for majority of the year. I like German, just effortless stuff with potential for great results with just a little better command. His transgressions aside, which may be non-negotiable in some’s eyes, I’d like to see how he fits in the rotation next year.
I think you can throw out Taillon’s stats at Pittsburgh out of the window, they know how to pick em but have no idea how to teach them there. He still has to stay healthy tho.
He is 29, made his major league debut in 2016, only had 18 starts and 104 innings, in 2017 had 25 starts with 133 innings, in 2018 had 32 starts with 191 innings, in 2019 had 7 starts with 37 innings, so he has plenty of innings left, he does not have a lot of wear as far as pitching is concerned, he is a 6'5", 230 lb. power pitcher, a Cashman fit, he wants power pitchers and power hitters. This could end up being a good move.
that is not the strike out rate of a great power pitcher. strike out rates don't suddenly go up at the age of 29. I'm a Yankees fan. I want to love this move. But he's not a pitcher with much potential to be a top of the rotation starter.
You need to stop paying attention to his strikeout rate in Pittsburgh. As has been mentioned a ton of times on this thread, the Pirates have no clue what they are doing when it comes to developing pitchers. Almost every single pitcher they’ve traded in recent times has improved the minute they’ve walked out the door. Then on the other end of the spectrum they managed to ruin Chris Archer the minute he arrived. Taillon has excellent stuff to be a strikeout per inning guy. If he’s healthy I would almost guarantee his strikeout rate improves this season. Health is the big “if” though, obviously
To slot behind Cole. And obviously under Hal they want a more cost controlled option. Hendricks as someone mentioned is relatively cost controlled from 21-23 at 14M/year and Castillo is even less. We need to get one of these guys in here. Just don't trade Gleyber as he is one of the few high contact hitters on the team. Those are the hitters you win championships with.
RE: I think it would be overly optimistic to count on Severino, Kluber and
Taillon to occupy 3 spots in the rotation for majority of the year. I like German, just effortless stuff with potential for great results with just a little better command. His transgressions aside, which may be non-negotiable in some’s eyes, I’d like to see how he fits in the rotation next year.
I think you can throw out Taillon’s stats at Pittsburgh out of the window, they know how to pick em but have no idea how to teach them there. He still has to stay healthy tho.
it would be foolish to throw out his stats in Pitts. Again, pitchers rarely turn their strike out rate around dramatically at the age of 29, regardless of who is coaching them.
should I feel good or scared as hell about this rotation?
Taillon joins a Yankees rotation that is headlined by
Gerrit Cole - all good
Corey Kluber - 36 innings in the last two years
Jameson Taillon - coming back from 2nd TJ surgery
Luis Severino - coming back from TJ sometime this year (hopefully)
Domingo German - didn’t pitch in 2020
Jordan Montgomery - ok
Deivi Garcia - little experience
Clarke Schmidt - little experience
Michael King - little experience
RE: RE: I think it would be overly optimistic to count on Severino, Kluber and
Again, pitchers rarely turn their strike out rate around dramatically at the age of 29, regardless of who is coaching them.
He's a 29-year old with with only 82 major league starts and 87 minor league starts to his name and he hasn't pitched since he was 27. He's not as far along the learning curve as your typical 29-year old who has already seen it all and tried it all by that age.
IMO, Yankees should seriously consider a 6 man rotation, and a lot of others should as well. With pitchers coming off shortened seasons due to the pandemic, I wonder how effective pitchers will be come playoff time with a normal workload. Yankees in particular should do it, with German coming off suspension, and Kluber and Taillon coming off injury.
but there’s a lot of history countering that with Pittsburgh. Up to you on what you value more. We traded lower end prospects for decent upside. He doesn’t need to be our 1 or 2 - if he’s a solid 3/4 it works because of how cheap he is.
IMO, Yankees should seriously consider a 6 man rotation, and a lot of others should as well. With pitchers coming off shortened seasons due to the pandemic, I wonder how effective pitchers will be come playoff time with a normal workload. Yankees in particular should do it, with German coming off suspension, and Kluber and Taillon coming off injury.
I’d be fine with a hybrid - let Cole go on normal rest since he’s paid as such and let the rest of them rotate through extended rest.
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
rich, I do not think German is outside looking in. Guy was starting to throw some legit pitching before the incident. I think he is a legit #3 with some upside. He has better stuff then Montgomery. But where is his head? Famous saying on BBI - Don't sleep on German!
Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range.
How competitive is the Dominican Summer League? He put up excellent numbers as a 17-year old (.981 OPS, 8 HR, 13-3 on steals, only 3 GDP on 218 PA).
It’s better to excel than to not, but numbers don’t mean all that much in the DSL or in rookie ball. He’s an interesting prospect, but not because he had a solid season down there.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
Yea I think we are done making moves. We re-sre-signed DJ, have some guns coming back in Sevvy and Domingo, Taillon could be a fantastic find and Deivi gets another shot.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
We have a lot of frontline talent that we can give without Gleyber. And a few who are already major league ready like Frazier. Not saying the price would be cheap but we can still offer a very strong package. Gleyber is one of our few high contact hitters , those are the guys we need in the playoffs when pitching is so much better .
But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn’t deal Gleyber for him...
But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
I think you're arguing a false dichotomy. I don't want to give up Gleyber either. We need Gleyber and Frazier on this team producing next year.
Also the Yankees are not trading Jasson Dominguez any time soon. Only way he gets traded is if he underperforms as a prospect over many years. He might be the next Mickey Mantle, they're not giving up on him.
and while we gave up some talented guys, they don't seem like they were likely to take a starting spot on the team we expect to field. Taillon has the talent to do that and while he has health issues, it's worth the gamble.
Well done.
Now go make at least two more similar moves to shore up our BP and clear up the 40.
They have made a couple moves in the risky dept.
Hopefully they work out this season.
They are still one over on the 40 man roster.
They have to move someone off, to get DJ, Kluber and
Taillon on.
That's why the DJ and Kluber deals haven't been officially announced as yet.
Two of the prospects they traded were on the 40 man roster, so that helps.
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
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The New York Yankees have acquired Jameson Taillon from the Pittsburgh Pirates for Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto and
Canaan Smith, sources tell ESPN.
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Source confirms the Yankees will send Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto and Canaan Smith to the Pirates for Taillon. First with the return:
@JeffPassan
The two pitchers profile as mid to end rotation types. Escotto surprised last year but is so far away. I like Smith but he's no big loss. Maybe they could've parted ways with others like Siegler.
Still, seems like a lot of give up for such a pitcher. It's not like we are getting Glasnow and have Tampa's coaching staff.
Huge HS prospect, never really lived up to THAT billing but 2018 looked very good in 2017 and 2018
He is an excellent pitcher was healthy. On his way to becoming a borderline ace before injury cost him the bulk of two years. Issue is how close he can get to what he was two years ago, and he will be a FA in two years by the time he is back to a full workload
But that’s why they got him for what they did. Good, high upside move IMO
Smith, projectable bat, good patience, with limited athleticism and defensive position.
Escotto may have the highest upside.
Yajure was #15 on MLB’s top 30 prospect list, while Contreras came in at #19 on that list. Canaan Smith was #21.
Yajure actually pitched with the Yanks last year. Contreras was getting close- might have opened in AA this season, but neither one is in the Yanks top 5 pitching prospects.
Smith is interesting as he is a high OBP type with emerging power. However as a HS draftee who needed reps and has not played above high A ball, he was really hurt by missing out on 2020.
Escotto is really far from the bigs, but likely has the highest upside- but you can’t really draw much on a guy who is at least 4 solid developmental years from being in the bigs.
Smith, projectable bat, good patience, with limited athleticism and defensive position.
Escotto may have the highest upside.
Smith was a HS QB and I think he has more athleticism than he is given credit for. He has the arm to stick as a corner OF, but ultimately I think it will be a question of will he hit for enough pop.
Let's go get Keller now before the Pirates ruins him.
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Let's go get Keller now before the Pirates ruins him.
He should be ready to go immediately.
The only question is whether they limit his innings. He did throw over 190 IP in 2019 before injury, but teams have been cautious in the first year back from TJ. However, he is no young rookie, but an experienced vet who has racked up a significant number of MLB innings.
It’s possible that they only limit his early season innings so he doesn’t exceed 175 or so. They may also decide to have an even lower number than that- like 150.
I think that he is more likely to be limited to short outings in April and May, then let him lose and let results decide how long he goes each night.
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I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.
He is an excellent pitcher was healthy. On his way to becoming a borderline ace before injury cost him the bulk of two years. Issue is how close he can get to what he was two years ago, and he will be a FA in two years by the time he is back to a full workload
But that’s why they got him for what they did. Good, high upside move IMO
Thanks DanMetro and KDavies. It seems like it’s worth the risk. It’s so hard to find quality pitchers.
Also, apparently he and Cole are tight from their Pirate days.
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
14-13
291.2 IP
246 SO
70 BB
2.47 ERA
1.13 WHIP
Not too shabby for a 22-year old pitching prospect.
16-11
249.1
207 SO
74 BB
3.25 ERA
1.135 WHIP
21-year old pitching prospect.
Taillon hasn’t pitched in the majors since May 1st, 2019. He was placed on the injured list with a forearm strain and later underwent Tommy John surgery in August. It’s the second Tommy John of his career, the first of which came in the minors in 2014. I’ll dive deeper into his health history in a moment.
When he was last on the mound, Taillon averaged 95 on the gun with his fastball and sinker, pitches he threw a combined 57 percent of the time in his only full season (2018). The sinker has allowed him to maintain low home run rates (0.93 per nine innings for his career). Taillon also has offered a hammer curveball, slider, and rare changeup. The curve has been a spin rate darling (2700+ RPM) and garnered plenty of whiffs. In ’19, he started to lean into his slider much more (up from 18.4 percent in ’18 to 31.9 percent usage in ’19) before the second TJS.
For as great of an arsenal as Taillon has had, he doesn’t post spectacular strikeout rates. His lifetime 21.5 percent K percentage isn’t bad or anything, but he could probably do better. At the same time, he does offer terrific control (6.0 percent walk rate). Perhaps he’s someone who can make a few tweaks in a more forward-thinking organization and unlock some more whiffs. Happened to his former teammate Gerrit Cole, you know.
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18-Year old hit .315 with an OBP .429
218 Plate Appearances with 8 HRs; 11 doubles; 4 triples; 26 RBIs.
.552 Slugging Percentage
.981 OPS
21-Year old average .280 with an OBP .389
936 Plate Appearances with 19 HRs; 50 doubles; 4 triples; 118 RBIs.
.426 Slugging
.815 OPS
29 year old with 4-year Major League Career
29-24
466 IP
419 SO
117 BB
3.67 ERA
1.25 WHIP
We did not get this guy for free.
But the guy I was impressed with at CHS was Luis Gil (pronounced Jeel). Good size to him, and good fastball. I'm glad the Yanks held on to him.
29 year old with 4-year Major League Career
29-24
466 IP
419 SO
117 BB
3.67 ERA
1.25 WHIP
We did not get this guy for free.
it would be more exciting of his k/9 was over 1 and if his whip was below 1.20.
that is not the strike out rate of a great power pitcher. strike out rates don't suddenly go up at the age of 29. I'm a Yankees fan. I want to love this move. But he's not a pitcher with much potential to be a top of the rotation starter.
I think you can throw out Taillon’s stats at Pittsburgh out of the window, they know how to pick em but have no idea how to teach them there. He still has to stay healthy tho.
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He is 29, made his major league debut in 2016, only had 18 starts and 104 innings, in 2017 had 25 starts with 133 innings, in 2018 had 32 starts with 191 innings, in 2019 had 7 starts with 37 innings, so he has plenty of innings left, he does not have a lot of wear as far as pitching is concerned, he is a 6'5", 230 lb. power pitcher, a Cashman fit, he wants power pitchers and power hitters. This could end up being a good move.
that is not the strike out rate of a great power pitcher. strike out rates don't suddenly go up at the age of 29. I'm a Yankees fan. I want to love this move. But he's not a pitcher with much potential to be a top of the rotation starter.
You need to stop paying attention to his strikeout rate in Pittsburgh. As has been mentioned a ton of times on this thread, the Pirates have no clue what they are doing when it comes to developing pitchers. Almost every single pitcher they’ve traded in recent times has improved the minute they’ve walked out the door. Then on the other end of the spectrum they managed to ruin Chris Archer the minute he arrived. Taillon has excellent stuff to be a strikeout per inning guy. If he’s healthy I would almost guarantee his strikeout rate improves this season. Health is the big “if” though, obviously
I think you can throw out Taillon’s stats at Pittsburgh out of the window, they know how to pick em but have no idea how to teach them there. He still has to stay healthy tho.
it would be foolish to throw out his stats in Pitts. Again, pitchers rarely turn their strike out rate around dramatically at the age of 29, regardless of who is coaching them.
Gerrit Cole - all good
Corey Kluber - 36 innings in the last two years
Jameson Taillon - coming back from 2nd TJ surgery
Luis Severino - coming back from TJ sometime this year (hopefully)
Domingo German - didn’t pitch in 2020
Jordan Montgomery - ok
Deivi Garcia - little experience
Clarke Schmidt - little experience
Michael King - little experience
I’d be fine with a hybrid - let Cole go on normal rest since he’s paid as such and let the rest of them rotate through extended rest.
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
rich, I do not think German is outside looking in. Guy was starting to throw some legit pitching before the incident. I think he is a legit #3 with some upside. He has better stuff then Montgomery. But where is his head? Famous saying on BBI - Don't sleep on German!
Ehh, these are not the real "the kids"; they were all mid-level prospects.
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Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range.
How competitive is the Dominican Summer League? He put up excellent numbers as a 17-year old (.981 OPS, 8 HR, 13-3 on steals, only 3 GDP on 218 PA).
It’s better to excel than to not, but numbers don’t mean all that much in the DSL or in rookie ball. He’s an interesting prospect, but not because he had a solid season down there.
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but Yanks are going for it.... and Taillon if healthy and a big if is a good pitcher....
Ehh, these are not the real "the kids"; they were all mid-level prospects.
Yup. Nice prospects, but none in the organizational Top 10.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
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WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
Yea I think we are done making moves. We re-sre-signed DJ, have some guns coming back in Sevvy and Domingo, Taillon could be a fantastic find and Deivi gets another shot.
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WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
We have a lot of frontline talent that we can give without Gleyber. And a few who are already major league ready like Frazier. Not saying the price would be cheap but we can still offer a very strong package. Gleyber is one of our few high contact hitters , those are the guys we need in the playoffs when pitching is so much better .
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
In the words of Randy Jackson: "Yeah that's a no from me dawg."
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
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In comment 15132605 Judge_and_Jury said:
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
I think you're arguing a false dichotomy. I don't want to give up Gleyber either. We need Gleyber and Frazier on this team producing next year.
Also the Yankees are not trading Jasson Dominguez any time soon. Only way he gets traded is if he underperforms as a prospect over many years. He might be the next Mickey Mantle, they're not giving up on him.
Well done.
Now go make at least two more similar moves to shore up our BP and clear up the 40.
Hopefully they work out this season.
They are still one over on the 40 man roster.
They have to move someone off, to get DJ, Kluber and
Taillon on.
That's why the DJ and Kluber deals haven't been officially announced as yet.
Two of the prospects they traded were on the 40 man roster, so that helps.
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
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The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
Nice job. Just ignore there were two Germans...