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NFT: Report: Taillon to Yankees for 4 prospects

DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 12:33 pm
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Source: Jameson Taillon has been traded to the Yankees for a package of four prospects. Story to follow.
Done  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 12:33 pm : link
Deal per Heyman
I'm guessing....  
Greg from LI : 1/24/2021 12:34 pm : link
Siegler, Medina, Florial, and Abreu
Nice get  
bhill410 : 1/24/2021 12:34 pm : link
For yanks
Confirmed  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 12:35 pm : link
by "everyone". Deal done, package not yet revealed.
RE: I'm guessing....  
Milton : 1/24/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15132252 Greg from LI said:
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Siegler, Medina, Florial, and Abreu
Really? That's helluva lot to give up.
Pending  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 12:38 pm : link
physical for Taillon. None of the names have been leaked yet.
RE: I'm guessing....  
Milton : 1/24/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15132252 Greg from LI said:
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Siegler, Medina, Florial, and Abreu
These are all fallen angels...
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KevinBBWC : 1/24/2021 12:39 pm : link
Jeff Passan
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The New York Yankees have acquired Jameson Taillon from the Pittsburgh Pirates for Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto and
Canaan Smith, sources tell ESPN.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 12:40 pm : link

Mark Feinsand
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Source confirms the Yankees will send Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto and Canaan Smith to the Pirates for Taillon. First with the return:
@JeffPassan
I’m not familiar with Taillon  
eric2425ny : 1/24/2021 12:42 pm : link
I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.
Seems like a very low risk move  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2021 12:43 pm : link
with good upside
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 12:43 pm : link
did well here.
We only really have 2-3 tier 1 prospects, so those are 2 tier 2 and 2  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2021 12:45 pm : link
tier 3's.

The two pitchers profile as mid to end rotation types. Escotto surprised last year but is so far away. I like Smith but he's no big loss. Maybe they could've parted ways with others like Siegler.

Still, seems like a lot of give up for such a pitcher. It's not like we are getting Glasnow and have Tampa's coaching staff.


Any of THOSE 4 prospects high level  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/24/2021 12:45 pm : link
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RE: I’m not familiar with Taillon  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15132265 eric2425ny said:
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I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.


Huge HS prospect, never really lived up to THAT billing but 2018 looked very good in 2017 and 2018
Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto, Canaan Smith  
Milton : 1/24/2021 12:46 pm : link
So all four 20+ years old with Yajure as the top rated in farm system at #15 overall according to MLB.com's 2020 rankings.
RE: I’m not familiar with Taillon  
KDavies : 1/24/2021 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15132265 eric2425ny said:
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I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.


He is an excellent pitcher was healthy. On his way to becoming a borderline ace before injury cost him the bulk of two years. Issue is how close he can get to what he was two years ago, and he will be a FA in two years by the time he is back to a full workload

But that’s why they got him for what they did. Good, high upside move IMO
Seems like a fair trade for both sides  
Stan in LA : 1/24/2021 12:49 pm : link
Yanks get a pitcher coming off injury with a high ceiling while giving Pitt. some lottery tickets.
We saw Yujure last year, more pitchability than pure stuff.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2021 12:51 pm : link
Contreras was part of the talented rotation at Charlston two years ago, 94-95 with good CU, but not the best of that bunch.

Smith, projectable bat, good patience, with limited athleticism and defensive position.

Escotto may have the highest upside.
RE: Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikel Escotto, Canaan Smith  
Milton : 1/24/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15132273 Milton said:
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So all four 20+ years old with Yajure as the top rated in farm system at #15 overall according to MLB.com's 2020 rankings.
Correction: Escotto turns 19 in June and had a promising year in the 2019 Dominican Summer League as a 17-year old (slashed 315/429/552).
Taillon obviously entails some major risk  
Greg from LI : 1/24/2021 12:54 pm : link
But he apparently hadn't lost anything even after the second TJ. Still threw 95, and with a higher spin rate, when he was rehabbing last fall.
Yajure and Contreras both on the 40 man roster  
rich in DC : 1/24/2021 12:55 pm : link
Clears 2 spots for 1- allows them to complete one of the two signings from DJLM or Kluber. Only need to make one roster move after that.

Yajure was #15 on MLB’s top 30 prospect list, while Contreras came in at #19 on that list. Canaan Smith was #21.

Yajure actually pitched with the Yanks last year. Contreras was getting close- might have opened in AA this season, but neither one is in the Yanks top 5 pitching prospects.

Smith is interesting as he is a high OBP type with emerging power. However as a HS draftee who needed reps and has not played above high A ball, he was really hurt by missing out on 2020.

Escotto is really far from the bigs, but likely has the highest upside- but you can’t really draw much on a guy who is at least 4 solid developmental years from being in the bigs.
RE: We saw Yujure last year, more pitchability than pure stuff.  
Mike in NY : 1/24/2021 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15132276 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Contreras was part of the talented rotation at Charlston two years ago, 94-95 with good CU, but not the best of that bunch.

Smith, projectable bat, good patience, with limited athleticism and defensive position.

Escotto may have the highest upside.


Smith was a HS QB and I think he has more athleticism than he is given credit for. He has the arm to stick as a corner OF, but ultimately I think it will be a question of will he hit for enough pop.
So Taillon has had two TJ surgeries already?  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2021 12:58 pm : link
When's he expected to be 100%?

Let's go get Keller now before the Pirates ruins him.
Here is a recent list of Yankees prospects.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2021 1:05 pm : link
Hope it works.
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RE: So Taillon has had two TJ surgeries already?  
rich in DC : 1/24/2021 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15132286 Jim in Hoboken said:
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When's he expected to be 100%?

Let's go get Keller now before the Pirates ruins him.


He should be ready to go immediately.

The only question is whether they limit his innings. He did throw over 190 IP in 2019 before injury, but teams have been cautious in the first year back from TJ. However, he is no young rookie, but an experienced vet who has racked up a significant number of MLB innings.

It’s possible that they only limit his early season innings so he doesn’t exceed 175 or so. They may also decide to have an even lower number than that- like 150.

I think that he is more likely to be limited to short outings in April and May, then let him lose and let results decide how long he goes each night.
Loose  
rich in DC : 1/24/2021 1:07 pm : link
Not lose
RE: RE: I’m not familiar with Taillon  
eric2425ny : 1/24/2021 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15132274 KDavies said:
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I just read that he didn’t pitch last year coming off his second Tommy John surgery. Is he a good pitcher when healthy? He’s 29, so not that old for a pitcher really.



He is an excellent pitcher was healthy. On his way to becoming a borderline ace before injury cost him the bulk of two years. Issue is how close he can get to what he was two years ago, and he will be a FA in two years by the time he is back to a full workload

But that’s why they got him for what they did. Good, high upside move IMO


Thanks DanMetro and KDavies. It seems like it’s worth the risk. It’s so hard to find quality pitchers.
I like all four prospects, but...  
Dunedin81 : 1/24/2021 1:14 pm : link
They held on to the better ones and Taillon’s upside is huge. They needed to clear some roster spots and they couldn’t have half a dozen gush who never played above A Ball under there. Smith has a lot of talent but he’s two years away. Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range. Contreras is probably the best of the bunch, at least in terms of upside, but Gil and Medina are better prospects and Yoendrys Gomez is comparable.
Couple of things  
Greg from LI : 1/24/2021 1:14 pm : link
I've read he shortened his delivery to reduce stress on his arm, so maybe improved mechanics help him.

Also, apparently he and Cole are tight from their Pirate days.
So our rotation is  
Mike from SI : 1/24/2021 1:15 pm : link
Cole, Kluber, Taillon, and then some mixture of Sevy (at some point), German (pending his issues), Monty, Deivi, Schmidt, King.... am I missing anyone?
Wild idea  
rich in DC : 1/24/2021 1:18 pm : link
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).

With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.

Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
Miguel Yajure Minor League Career Stats  
M.S. : 1/24/2021 1:23 pm : link

14-13
291.2 IP
246 SO
70 BB
2.47 ERA
1.13 WHIP

Not too shabby for a 22-year old pitching prospect.
This is a kick the tires trade  
dpinzow : 1/24/2021 1:25 pm : link
The Yanks gave up quite a bit for a guy who could be good but has trouble staying healthy. At least with Kluber that was a kick the tires signing where the Yanks only gave up cash to sign him
Dodgers  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2021 1:25 pm : link
are 5 million under the lux tax and yet to re-sign or replace Turner. Highly doubt they are interested in Ottavino/German at
meh  
Producer : 1/24/2021 1:29 pm : link
some upside. probably a good deal. a good risk to take. but he can't stay healthy and his k/9 leaves something to be desired, especially in the NL, if i'm being honest
Roansy Contreras Minor League Career Stats  
M.S. : 1/24/2021 1:31 pm : link

16-11
249.1
207 SO
74 BB
3.25 ERA
1.135 WHIP

21-year old pitching prospect.
Taillon  
Stan in LA : 1/24/2021 1:33 pm : link
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Pittsburgh drafted Taillon with the second overall pick of the 2010 draft, sandwiched between Bryce Harper and Manny Machado. He may not have the name recognition or star power of those two, but Taillon has been pretty good in the majors when healthy. The 29 year-old right-hander owns a 3.67 ERA and 3.55 FIP in 466 big league frames. It’s unfortunate that health issues have only allowed him to throw 466 innings since he debuted in 2016.

Taillon hasn’t pitched in the majors since May 1st, 2019. He was placed on the injured list with a forearm strain and later underwent Tommy John surgery in August. It’s the second Tommy John of his career, the first of which came in the minors in 2014. I’ll dive deeper into his health history in a moment.

When he was last on the mound, Taillon averaged 95 on the gun with his fastball and sinker, pitches he threw a combined 57 percent of the time in his only full season (2018). The sinker has allowed him to maintain low home run rates (0.93 per nine innings for his career). Taillon also has offered a hammer curveball, slider, and rare changeup. The curve has been a spin rate darling (2700+ RPM) and garnered plenty of whiffs. In ’19, he started to lean into his slider much more (up from 18.4 percent in ’18 to 31.9 percent usage in ’19) before the second TJS.

For as great of an arsenal as Taillon has had, he doesn’t post spectacular strikeout rates. His lifetime 21.5 percent K percentage isn’t bad or anything, but he could probably do better. At the same time, he does offer terrific control (6.0 percent walk rate). Perhaps he’s someone who can make a few tweaks in a more forward-thinking organization and unlock some more whiffs. Happened to his former teammate Gerrit Cole, you know.

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Maikol Escotto 1 Year of Minor League Ball  
M.S. : 1/24/2021 1:36 pm : link

18-Year old hit .315 with an OBP .429

218 Plate Appearances with 8 HRs; 11 doubles; 4 triples; 26 RBIs.

.552 Slugging Percentage
.981 OPS





Canaan Smith 3 Years in the minors  
M.S. : 1/24/2021 1:41 pm : link

21-Year old average .280 with an OBP .389

936 Plate Appearances with 19 HRs; 50 doubles; 4 triples; 118 RBIs.

.426 Slugging
.815 OPS
Jameson Taillon (29 Years Old)  
M.S. : 1/24/2021 1:46 pm : link

29 year old with 4-year Major League Career

29-24
466 IP
419 SO
117 BB
3.67 ERA
1.25 WHIP

We did not get this guy for free.
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Named Later : 1/24/2021 1:47 pm : link
I saw Roansy pitch down here in Charleston. He was good on the night I watched him....mixed in his change-up well.

But the guy I was impressed with at CHS was Luis Gil (pronounced Jeel). Good size to him, and good fastball. I'm glad the Yanks held on to him.
RE: Jameson Taillon (29 Years Old)  
Producer : 1/24/2021 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15132331 M.S. said:
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29 year old with 4-year Major League Career

29-24
466 IP
419 SO
117 BB
3.67 ERA
1.25 WHIP

We did not get this guy for free.


it would be more exciting of his k/9 was over 1 and if his whip was below 1.20.
Jameson Taillon  
PaulN : 1/24/2021 1:56 pm : link
He is 29, made his major league debut in 2016, only had 18 starts and 104 innings, in 2017 had 25 starts with 133 innings, in 2018 had 32 starts with 191 innings, in 2019 had 7 starts with 37 innings, so he has plenty of innings left, he does not have a lot of wear as far as pitching is concerned, he is a 6'5", 230 lb. power pitcher, a Cashman fit, he wants power pitchers and power hitters. This could end up being a good move.
RE: Jameson Taillon  
Producer : 1/24/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15132348 PaulN said:
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He is 29, made his major league debut in 2016, only had 18 starts and 104 innings, in 2017 had 25 starts with 133 innings, in 2018 had 32 starts with 191 innings, in 2019 had 7 starts with 37 innings, so he has plenty of innings left, he does not have a lot of wear as far as pitching is concerned, he is a 6'5", 230 lb. power pitcher, a Cashman fit, he wants power pitchers and power hitters. This could end up being a good move.


that is not the strike out rate of a great power pitcher. strike out rates don't suddenly go up at the age of 29. I'm a Yankees fan. I want to love this move. But he's not a pitcher with much potential to be a top of the rotation starter.
I think it would be overly optimistic to count on Severino, Kluber and  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2021 2:05 pm : link
Taillon to occupy 3 spots in the rotation for majority of the year. I like German, just effortless stuff with potential for great results with just a little better command. His transgressions aside, which may be non-negotiable in some’s eyes, I’d like to see how he fits in the rotation next year.

I think you can throw out Taillon’s stats at Pittsburgh out of the window, they know how to pick em but have no idea how to teach them there. He still has to stay healthy tho.
RE: RE: Jameson Taillon  
BigBlueShock : 1/24/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15132352 Producer said:
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He is 29, made his major league debut in 2016, only had 18 starts and 104 innings, in 2017 had 25 starts with 133 innings, in 2018 had 32 starts with 191 innings, in 2019 had 7 starts with 37 innings, so he has plenty of innings left, he does not have a lot of wear as far as pitching is concerned, he is a 6'5", 230 lb. power pitcher, a Cashman fit, he wants power pitchers and power hitters. This could end up being a good move.



that is not the strike out rate of a great power pitcher. strike out rates don't suddenly go up at the age of 29. I'm a Yankees fan. I want to love this move. But he's not a pitcher with much potential to be a top of the rotation starter.

You need to stop paying attention to his strikeout rate in Pittsburgh. As has been mentioned a ton of times on this thread, the Pirates have no clue what they are doing when it comes to developing pitchers. Almost every single pitcher they’ve traded in recent times has improved the minute they’ve walked out the door. Then on the other end of the spectrum they managed to ruin Chris Archer the minute he arrived. Taillon has excellent stuff to be a strikeout per inning guy. If he’s healthy I would almost guarantee his strikeout rate improves this season. Health is the big “if” though, obviously
We still need a more 'sure thing' #2  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/24/2021 2:15 pm : link
To slot behind Cole. And obviously under Hal they want a more cost controlled option. Hendricks as someone mentioned is relatively cost controlled from 21-23 at 14M/year and Castillo is even less. We need to get one of these guys in here. Just don't trade Gleyber as he is one of the few high contact hitters on the team. Those are the hitters you win championships with.
RE: I think it would be overly optimistic to count on Severino, Kluber and  
Producer : 1/24/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15132357 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Taillon to occupy 3 spots in the rotation for majority of the year. I like German, just effortless stuff with potential for great results with just a little better command. His transgressions aside, which may be non-negotiable in some’s eyes, I’d like to see how he fits in the rotation next year.

I think you can throw out Taillon’s stats at Pittsburgh out of the window, they know how to pick em but have no idea how to teach them there. He still has to stay healthy tho.


it would be foolish to throw out his stats in Pitts. Again, pitchers rarely turn their strike out rate around dramatically at the age of 29, regardless of who is coaching them.
should I feel good or scared as hell about this rotation?  
Giantsfan79 : 1/24/2021 2:36 pm : link
Taillon joins a Yankees rotation that is headlined by

Gerrit Cole - all good
Corey Kluber - 36 innings in the last two years
Jameson Taillon - coming back from 2nd TJ surgery
Luis Severino - coming back from TJ sometime this year (hopefully)
Domingo German - didn’t pitch in 2020
Jordan Montgomery - ok
Deivi Garcia - little experience
Clarke Schmidt - little experience
Michael King - little experience
RE: RE: I think it would be overly optimistic to count on Severino, Kluber and  
Milton : 1/24/2021 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15132369 Producer said:
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Again, pitchers rarely turn their strike out rate around dramatically at the age of 29, regardless of who is coaching them.
He's a 29-year old with with only 82 major league starts and 87 minor league starts to his name and he hasn't pitched since he was 27. He's not as far along the learning curve as your typical 29-year old who has already seen it all and tried it all by that age.
6 man rotation  
KDavies : 1/24/2021 2:44 pm : link
IMO, Yankees should seriously consider a 6 man rotation, and a lot of others should as well. With pitchers coming off shortened seasons due to the pandemic, I wonder how effective pitchers will be come playoff time with a normal workload. Yankees in particular should do it, with German coming off suspension, and Kluber and Taillon coming off injury.
Pitchers in general, sure  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2021 2:50 pm : link
but there’s a lot of history countering that with Pittsburgh. Up to you on what you value more. We traded lower end prospects for decent upside. He doesn’t need to be our 1 or 2 - if he’s a solid 3/4 it works because of how cheap he is.
He is also a cancer survivor  
HomerJones45 : 1/24/2021 2:51 pm : link
Kid has been through the mill
RE: 6 man rotation  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15132391 KDavies said:
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IMO, Yankees should seriously consider a 6 man rotation, and a lot of others should as well. With pitchers coming off shortened seasons due to the pandemic, I wonder how effective pitchers will be come playoff time with a normal workload. Yankees in particular should do it, with German coming off suspension, and Kluber and Taillon coming off injury.


I’d be fine with a hybrid - let Cole go on normal rest since he’s paid as such and let the rest of them rotate through extended rest.
Don't like giving up the kids  
Crazed Dogs : 1/24/2021 2:54 pm : link
but Yanks are going for it.... and Taillon if healthy and a big if is a good pitcher....
RE: I like all four prospects, but...  
Milton : 1/24/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15132300 Dunedin81 said:
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Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range.
How competitive is the Dominican Summer League? He put up excellent numbers as a 17-year old (.981 OPS, 8 HR, 13-3 on steals, only 3 GDP on 218 PA).
RE: Wild idea  
section125 : 1/24/2021 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15132304 rich in DC said:
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The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).

With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.

Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.


rich, I do not think German is outside looking in. Guy was starting to throw some legit pitching before the incident. I think he is a legit #3 with some upside. He has better stuff then Montgomery. But where is his head? Famous saying on BBI - Don't sleep on German!
RE: Don't like giving up the kids  
Mike from SI : 1/24/2021 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15132400 Crazed Dogs said:
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but Yanks are going for it.... and Taillon if healthy and a big if is a good pitcher....


Ehh, these are not the real "the kids"; they were all mid-level prospects.
RE: RE: I like all four prospects, but...  
Dunedin81 : 1/24/2021 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15132404 Milton said:
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Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range.

How competitive is the Dominican Summer League? He put up excellent numbers as a 17-year old (.981 OPS, 8 HR, 13-3 on steals, only 3 GDP on 218 PA).


It’s better to excel than to not, but numbers don’t mean all that much in the DSL or in rookie ball. He’s an interesting prospect, but not because he had a solid season down there.
RE: RE: Don't like giving up the kids  
Dunedin81 : 1/24/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15132423 Mike from SI said:
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but Yanks are going for it.... and Taillon if healthy and a big if is a good pitcher....



Ehh, these are not the real "the kids"; they were all mid-level prospects.


Yup. Nice prospects, but none in the organizational Top 10.
Time to get Castillo  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/24/2021 3:43 pm : link
WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.
RE: Time to get Castillo  
Dunedin81 : 1/24/2021 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15132475 Judge_and_Jury said:
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WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.


There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
One of those good trades for both teams  
Ira : 1/24/2021 4:07 pm : link
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RE: RE: Time to get Castillo  
chopperhatch : 1/24/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15132516 Dunedin81 said:
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WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.



There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.


Yea I think we are done making moves. We re-sre-signed DJ, have some guns coming back in Sevvy and Domingo, Taillon could be a fantastic find and Deivi gets another shot.
RE: RE: Time to get Castillo  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/24/2021 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15132516 Dunedin81 said:
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WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.



There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.


We have a lot of frontline talent that we can give without Gleyber. And a few who are already major league ready like Frazier. Not saying the price would be cheap but we can still offer a very strong package. Gleyber is one of our few high contact hitters , those are the guys we need in the playoffs when pitching is so much better .
I wouldn’t deal Gleyber for him...  
Dunedin81 : 1/24/2021 4:30 pm : link
But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
RE: I wouldn’t deal Gleyber for him...  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/24/2021 4:39 pm : link
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.


Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
RE: RE: I wouldn’t deal Gleyber for him...  
chopperhatch : 1/24/2021 4:57 pm : link
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.



Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.


I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn’t deal Gleyber for him...  
Mike from SI : 1/24/2021 5:06 pm : link
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.



Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.



I dont want to give that up for him...yet.


In the words of Randy Jackson: "Yeah that's a no from me dawg."
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn’t deal Gleyber for him...  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/24/2021 5:25 pm : link
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.



Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.



I dont want to give that up for him...yet.


If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn’t deal Gleyber for him...  
Mike from SI : 1/24/2021 5:40 pm : link
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.



Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.



I dont want to give that up for him...yet.



If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.


I think you're arguing a false dichotomy. I don't want to give up Gleyber either. We need Gleyber and Frazier on this team producing next year.

Also the Yankees are not trading Jasson Dominguez any time soon. Only way he gets traded is if he underperforms as a prospect over many years. He might be the next Mickey Mantle, they're not giving up on him.
love the ttrade  
RasputinPrime : 1/24/2021 6:31 pm : link
and while we gave up some talented guys, they don't seem like they were likely to take a starting spot on the team we expect to field. Taillon has the talent to do that and while he has health issues, it's worth the gamble.

Well done.

Now go make at least two more similar moves to shore up our BP and clear up the 40.
Interesting deal  
Carson53 : 1/25/2021 11:23 am : link
They have made a couple moves in the risky dept.
Hopefully they work out this season.
They are still one over on the 40 man roster.
They have to move someone off, to get DJ, Kluber and
Taillon on.
That's why the DJ and Kluber deals haven't been officially announced as yet.
Two of the prospects they traded were on the 40 man roster, so that helps.
RE: Wild idea  
rich in DC : 1/25/2021 8:06 pm : link
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The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).

With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.

Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.


So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
RE: RE: Wild idea  
section125 : 1/25/2021 8:18 pm : link
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The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).

With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.

Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.



So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!


Nice job. Just ignore there were two Germans...
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