Again, pitchers rarely turn their strike out rate around dramatically at the age of 29, regardless of who is coaching them.
He's a 29-year old with with only 82 major league starts and 87 minor league starts to his name and he hasn't pitched since he was 27. He's not as far along the learning curve as your typical 29-year old who has already seen it all and tried it all by that age.
IMO, Yankees should seriously consider a 6 man rotation, and a lot of others should as well. With pitchers coming off shortened seasons due to the pandemic, I wonder how effective pitchers will be come playoff time with a normal workload. Yankees in particular should do it, with German coming off suspension, and Kluber and Taillon coming off injury.
but there’s a lot of history countering that with Pittsburgh. Up to you on what you value more. We traded lower end prospects for decent upside. He doesn’t need to be our 1 or 2 - if he’s a solid 3/4 it works because of how cheap he is.
IMO, Yankees should seriously consider a 6 man rotation, and a lot of others should as well. With pitchers coming off shortened seasons due to the pandemic, I wonder how effective pitchers will be come playoff time with a normal workload. Yankees in particular should do it, with German coming off suspension, and Kluber and Taillon coming off injury.
I’d be fine with a hybrid - let Cole go on normal rest since he’s paid as such and let the rest of them rotate through extended rest.
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
rich, I do not think German is outside looking in. Guy was starting to throw some legit pitching before the incident. I think he is a legit #3 with some upside. He has better stuff then Montgomery. But where is his head? Famous saying on BBI - Don't sleep on German!
Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range.
How competitive is the Dominican Summer League? He put up excellent numbers as a 17-year old (.981 OPS, 8 HR, 13-3 on steals, only 3 GDP on 218 PA).
It’s better to excel than to not, but numbers don’t mean all that much in the DSL or in rookie ball. He’s an interesting prospect, but not because he had a solid season down there.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
Yea I think we are done making moves. We re-sre-signed DJ, have some guns coming back in Sevvy and Domingo, Taillon could be a fantastic find and Deivi gets another shot.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
We have a lot of frontline talent that we can give without Gleyber. And a few who are already major league ready like Frazier. Not saying the price would be cheap but we can still offer a very strong package. Gleyber is one of our few high contact hitters , those are the guys we need in the playoffs when pitching is so much better .
But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
I think you're arguing a false dichotomy. I don't want to give up Gleyber either. We need Gleyber and Frazier on this team producing next year.
Also the Yankees are not trading Jasson Dominguez any time soon. Only way he gets traded is if he underperforms as a prospect over many years. He might be the next Mickey Mantle, they're not giving up on him.
and while we gave up some talented guys, they don't seem like they were likely to take a starting spot on the team we expect to field. Taillon has the talent to do that and while he has health issues, it's worth the gamble.
Well done.
Now go make at least two more similar moves to shore up our BP and clear up the 40.
They have made a couple moves in the risky dept.
Hopefully they work out this season.
They are still one over on the 40 man roster.
They have to move someone off, to get DJ, Kluber and
Taillon on.
That's why the DJ and Kluber deals haven't been officially announced as yet.
Two of the prospects they traded were on the 40 man roster, so that helps.
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
I’d be fine with a hybrid - let Cole go on normal rest since he’s paid as such and let the rest of them rotate through extended rest.
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
rich, I do not think German is outside looking in. Guy was starting to throw some legit pitching before the incident. I think he is a legit #3 with some upside. He has better stuff then Montgomery. But where is his head? Famous saying on BBI - Don't sleep on German!
Ehh, these are not the real "the kids"; they were all mid-level prospects.
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Escotto is an interesting prospect but they have a lot of interesting middle IF prospects in that range.
How competitive is the Dominican Summer League? He put up excellent numbers as a 17-year old (.981 OPS, 8 HR, 13-3 on steals, only 3 GDP on 218 PA).
It’s better to excel than to not, but numbers don’t mean all that much in the DSL or in rookie ball. He’s an interesting prospect, but not because he had a solid season down there.
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but Yanks are going for it.... and Taillon if healthy and a big if is a good pitcher....
Ehh, these are not the real "the kids"; they were all mid-level prospects.
Yup. Nice prospects, but none in the organizational Top 10.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
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WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
Yea I think we are done making moves. We re-sre-signed DJ, have some guns coming back in Sevvy and Domingo, Taillon could be a fantastic find and Deivi gets another shot.
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WITHOUT giving up Gleyber.Then go to war.
There are half a dozen teams that could trump our offer without Gleyber, and Cincy has no urgency to trade him.
We have a lot of frontline talent that we can give without Gleyber. And a few who are already major league ready like Frazier. Not saying the price would be cheap but we can still offer a very strong package. Gleyber is one of our few high contact hitters , those are the guys we need in the playoffs when pitching is so much better .
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
In the words of Randy Jackson: "Yeah that's a no from me dawg."
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
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In comment 15132584 Dunedin81 said:
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But I don’t think we get him without doing so. Frazier plus isn’t going to be enough compared to what other teams can offer.
Frazier + 2 of our top 5 ( Garcia, Schmidt, Wells, Dominguez, Gil) and a B+ prospect is a very strong package.
I dont want to give that up for him...yet.
If Yanks think that is the key piece for a WS then its worth it. Keep Gleyber who is a very important hitter considering we have way too many swing and miss guys and not enough high contact bats.
I think you're arguing a false dichotomy. I don't want to give up Gleyber either. We need Gleyber and Frazier on this team producing next year.
Also the Yankees are not trading Jasson Dominguez any time soon. Only way he gets traded is if he underperforms as a prospect over many years. He might be the next Mickey Mantle, they're not giving up on him.
Well done.
Now go make at least two more similar moves to shore up our BP and clear up the 40.
Hopefully they work out this season.
They are still one over on the 40 man roster.
They have to move someone off, to get DJ, Kluber and
Taillon on.
That's why the DJ and Kluber deals haven't been officially announced as yet.
Two of the prospects they traded were on the 40 man roster, so that helps.
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
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The Yanks are still tight again Hal’s order to stay below the luxury tax line after this deal. The media has speculated that the Yanks have been shopping Ottavino for months with no buyers (his $8M salary would create some nice space).
With the depth the Yanks have and German being on the outside looking in at the rotation now, would the Yanks consider bundling Germans and Ottovino? SP is a a serious premium right now.
Would a team like the Dodgers who are supposedly searching far and wide for relievers and SP depth consider taking on both? The domestic violence issues don’t seem to bother them much, especially after they essentially shrugged at Urias problems last year.
So, I guess I kinda called this trade. I got the last names right- just the wrong German!
Nice job. Just ignore there were two Germans...