there is no f-in way Brady takes those Denver teams in '87, '88 and '90. Elway took a team of mediocre offensive talent and literally carried them to three SBs in four years.
you're losing me on this one. Brady is much greater than Elway even though he doesn't have Elway's amazing skills. His head, timing, touch and ability to perform in the moment is virtually unmatched in the history of the game.
Did you see those Denver teams?
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
I remember those Denver teams. They weren't great. It was a time when when the AFC was a lot weaker than the NFC. I think a couple of the Patriot teams were actually no better than the Denver team. But yes. I don't think Brady would ever be a step down from any QB on a winning team. And let me stipulate this - I despise Tom Brady. He has rare abilities that aren't as obvious as Elway's cannon arm and athleticism. He has an incredible head for the game, he is so unusually consistent, he processes so quickly, he throws a great, underrated, catchable ball, His accuracy and timing on the short passing game is better than Montana.
there is no f-in way Brady takes those Denver teams in '87, '88 and '90. Elway took a team of mediocre offensive talent and literally carried them to three SBs in four years.
you're losing me on this one. Brady is much greater than Elway even though he doesn't have Elway's amazing skills. His head, timing, touch and ability to perform in the moment is virtually unmatched in the history of the game.
Did you see those Denver teams?
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
That era was totally different.
First and foremost, Brady would have had to survive playing where the defense was literally trying to hurt the QB.
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
That era was totally different.
First and foremost, Brady would have had to survive playing where the defense was literally trying to hurt the QB.
Go back and watch that era of defense.
Brady could have played in that era for sure. He has good size. But he doesn't have the tool kit to drag that Denver team to three SBs in four years. Elway was better off-script, a better athlete, and a better thrower. And that's what that Denver team needed...
I remember those Denver teams. They weren't great. It was a time when when the AFC was a lot weaker than the NFC. I think a couple of the Patriot teams were actually no better than the Denver team. But yes. I don't think Brady would ever be a step down from any QB on a winning team. And let me stipulate this - I despise Tom Brady. He has rare abilities that aren't as obvious as Elway's cannon arm and athleticism. He has an incredible head for the game, he is so unusually consistent, he processes so quickly, he throws a great, underrated, catchable ball, His accuracy and timing on the short passing game is better than Montana.
Okay, fair enough.
Elway is tremendously underrated. Remember, Walsh thought about trading for Montana for Elway in 1983. He saw the potential greatness.
He's the most accomplished. There have been much more talented QBs.
Starting with Elway, Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, etc.
Agree with this. It’s a team game, he’s a terrific QB but always has a strong team around him. That being said, a winner brings a certain mentality to the locker room which rubs off on his teammates.
and it's a great achievement, but this Bucs team is as loaded as anything you'll ever see. They're literally 1 win away from purchasing a championship. We'll see if it works.
Really tough watching JPP still playing at such a high level. He is a force of nature.
argument on BB and Brady is silly. BB made Brady, and together they made the dynasty.
I was in MI when Brady came out. He was an OK player who failed to even lock down the starting role on the Wolverines. His draft status demonstrates that.
To his credit, he came into BB's system, and worked on himself and his game at the foot of some great coaches. He became a great QB.
The whole talent versus accomplishment thing: that's an interesting bar debate, but last I checked the point of playing was to lift the Lombardi at the end of the year. He's not Forrest Gump that happen to have been at the right place and time 10 years out of 20. He was an integral part of the most impressive modern NFL dynasty. His not pushing to get every penny he could, his buying into the system, and locking down the key position for so long and playing so well there allowed that dynasty to flourish.
I'll be honest, I thought he'd struggle this year, but he's thrived and kudos to him. Hope he loses next week because I'm sick of him.
argument on BB and Brady is silly. BB made Brady, and together they made the dynasty.
I was in MI when Brady came out. He was an OK player who failed to even lock down the starting role on the Wolverines. His draft status demonstrates that.
To his credit, he came into BB's system, and worked on himself and his game at the foot of some great coaches. He became a great QB.
The whole talent versus accomplishment thing: that's an interesting bar debate, but last I checked the point of playing was to lift the Lombardi at the end of the year. He's not Forrest Gump that happen to have been at the right place and time 10 years out of 20. He was an integral part of the most impressive modern NFL dynasty. His not pushing to get every penny he could, his buying into the system, and locking down the key position for so long and playing so well there allowed that dynasty to flourish.
I'll be honest, I thought he'd struggle this year, but he's thrived and kudos to him. Hope he loses next week because I'm sick of him.
Good post Daniel. Brady's story is a great story. The ultimate team player in the ultimate team sport.
Does not go to the superbowl. Maybe still does not make the playoffs. They had so many great players opt out.
I like in Boston. Watched a lot of the Patriots.
Brady was a perfect fit for Belicheck and his system. What was also a perfect fit was 20 years of playing in an awful division, never paying Brady the top dollar for QB helped a lot, and having a great oline that gave him excellent protection.
Brady did work hard and became a great player and is one of the best ever, but I do think he lucked into the perfect situation.
A Tampa Bay situation is exactly the type of situation you need for a veteran qb to make a end of career run. Elway had it at the end with Denver, Peyton had it at the end with Denver.
Defense is very legit and he looks younger and fresher than Old Man Rodgers. He wants to go till 45, but if you win a home SB against defending champs and Mahomes? Wouldn’t you have to consider going out on top? Brady doesn’t have to worry about anyone else retiring the same year as him, so he could choose to retire with Brees and maybe Ben if he retires, too. He’s proven the point that he’s the GOAT in any circumstance. I don’t think they need to win to prove that, but it would be the cherry on his overflowing sundae of a career. Every season I imagine a Tom Brady Pavilion at Canton being extended further.
Making the playoffs every year in the AFC East with a 20 yr program is one thing. They played a very competitive NFC South, and Tom and team still got it done. He was great this year and 100% is the guy who got a good team over the top. Taught them how to play and win. All season. Not just yesterday. And those players are clearly fighting for him.
If you have a great horse and trainer, but a lousy jockey, you ain’t winning. You can have a mediocre trainer, middle road horse, and top jockey and have a shot. To me, Tom separated himself from Bill without a question. He’s the jockey that gives every trainer and horse a chance to win.
Great game to look forward to. Past, present, and future of the game on the same field, tied 2-2 head to head, for all the marbles. First time since early 2000s Pats we will have a team with a shot to back up their win the prior year. Glad this is the game. Wasn’t digging Buffalo v GB.
The Bucs will lose, but it won't be because of Brady
there is no f-in way Brady takes those Denver teams in '87, '88 and '90. Elway took a team of mediocre offensive talent and literally carried them to three SBs in four years.
you're losing me on this one. Brady is much greater than Elway even though he doesn't have Elway's amazing skills. His head, timing, touch and ability to perform in the moment is virtually unmatched in the history of the game.
Did you see those Denver teams?
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
Those Denver teams had great defenses(really fucking good). The RBs by committee had some decent stats if I remember correctly. I think Brady might have won more with those teams in all honesty. Elway had a legendary arm that got him into trouble sometimes because he thought he could fit anything in there if it he through it hard enough. Brady greater than Elway in my opinion.
Brady, Leonard Fournette, Gronk, Mike Evans, Antonio Brown, Godwin, Suh, JPP, Barrett, Devin White, Lavonte David, Davis, Winfield - you gotta be kidding me.
They have as much frontline talent as any team in the NFL. I said before, they are trying to buy a Championship and it just might work. 1 game away.
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there is no f-in way Brady takes those Denver teams in '87, '88 and '90. Elway took a team of mediocre offensive talent and literally carried them to three SBs in four years.
you're losing me on this one. Brady is much greater than Elway even though he doesn't have Elway's amazing skills. His head, timing, touch and ability to perform in the moment is virtually unmatched in the history of the game.
Did you see those Denver teams?
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
I remember those Denver teams. They weren't great. It was a time when when the AFC was a lot weaker than the NFC. I think a couple of the Patriot teams were actually no better than the Denver team. But yes. I don't think Brady would ever be a step down from any QB on a winning team. And let me stipulate this - I despise Tom Brady. He has rare abilities that aren't as obvious as Elway's cannon arm and athleticism. He has an incredible head for the game, he is so unusually consistent, he processes so quickly, he throws a great, underrated, catchable ball, His accuracy and timing on the short passing game is better than Montana.
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And Brady is going to the Super Bowl.
Now we know who was the GOAT.
What a dumb post.
It's from Stan - did you expect anything less? LOL
Weird that a Brady fanboy would hang out at a Giants site, but to each his own.
There really was only one bad pick.
There was also that dropped INT at the end of the half. If the DB hangs onto it, TB doesn’t score that TD.
There really was only one bad pick.
Huh?
Tampa Bay defense really came thru, two of those picks were followed by three and outs........
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there is no f-in way Brady takes those Denver teams in '87, '88 and '90. Elway took a team of mediocre offensive talent and literally carried them to three SBs in four years.
you're losing me on this one. Brady is much greater than Elway even though he doesn't have Elway's amazing skills. His head, timing, touch and ability to perform in the moment is virtually unmatched in the history of the game.
Did you see those Denver teams?
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
That era was totally different.
First and foremost, Brady would have had to survive playing where the defense was literally trying to hurt the QB.
Go back and watch that era of defense.
Umm....Notice I said SB (S.U.P.E.R.B.O.W.L.) Reading comprehension is important!
Did you see those Denver teams?
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
That era was totally different.
First and foremost, Brady would have had to survive playing where the defense was literally trying to hurt the QB.
Go back and watch that era of defense.
Brady could have played in that era for sure. He has good size. But he doesn't have the tool kit to drag that Denver team to three SBs in four years. Elway was better off-script, a better athlete, and a better thrower. And that's what that Denver team needed...
I remember those Denver teams. They weren't great. It was a time when when the AFC was a lot weaker than the NFC. I think a couple of the Patriot teams were actually no better than the Denver team. But yes. I don't think Brady would ever be a step down from any QB on a winning team. And let me stipulate this - I despise Tom Brady. He has rare abilities that aren't as obvious as Elway's cannon arm and athleticism. He has an incredible head for the game, he is so unusually consistent, he processes so quickly, he throws a great, underrated, catchable ball, His accuracy and timing on the short passing game is better than Montana.
Okay, fair enough.
Elway is tremendously underrated. Remember, Walsh thought about trading for Montana for Elway in 1983. He saw the potential greatness.
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He's the most accomplished. There have been much more talented QBs.
Starting with Elway, Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, etc.
Agree with this. It’s a team game, he’s a terrific QB but always has a strong team around him. That being said, a winner brings a certain mentality to the locker room which rubs off on his teammates.
Really tough watching JPP still playing at such a high level. He is a force of nature.
I was in MI when Brady came out. He was an OK player who failed to even lock down the starting role on the Wolverines. His draft status demonstrates that.
To his credit, he came into BB's system, and worked on himself and his game at the foot of some great coaches. He became a great QB.
The whole talent versus accomplishment thing: that's an interesting bar debate, but last I checked the point of playing was to lift the Lombardi at the end of the year. He's not Forrest Gump that happen to have been at the right place and time 10 years out of 20. He was an integral part of the most impressive modern NFL dynasty. His not pushing to get every penny he could, his buying into the system, and locking down the key position for so long and playing so well there allowed that dynasty to flourish.
I'll be honest, I thought he'd struggle this year, but he's thrived and kudos to him. Hope he loses next week because I'm sick of him.
I was in MI when Brady came out. He was an OK player who failed to even lock down the starting role on the Wolverines. His draft status demonstrates that.
To his credit, he came into BB's system, and worked on himself and his game at the foot of some great coaches. He became a great QB.
The whole talent versus accomplishment thing: that's an interesting bar debate, but last I checked the point of playing was to lift the Lombardi at the end of the year. He's not Forrest Gump that happen to have been at the right place and time 10 years out of 20. He was an integral part of the most impressive modern NFL dynasty. His not pushing to get every penny he could, his buying into the system, and locking down the key position for so long and playing so well there allowed that dynasty to flourish.
I'll be honest, I thought he'd struggle this year, but he's thrived and kudos to him. Hope he loses next week because I'm sick of him.
Good post Daniel. Brady's story is a great story. The ultimate team player in the ultimate team sport.
I like in Boston. Watched a lot of the Patriots.
Brady was a perfect fit for Belicheck and his system. What was also a perfect fit was 20 years of playing in an awful division, never paying Brady the top dollar for QB helped a lot, and having a great oline that gave him excellent protection.
Brady did work hard and became a great player and is one of the best ever, but I do think he lucked into the perfect situation.
A Tampa Bay situation is exactly the type of situation you need for a veteran qb to make a end of career run. Elway had it at the end with Denver, Peyton had it at the end with Denver.
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I agree
Making the playoffs every year in the AFC East with a 20 yr program is one thing. They played a very competitive NFC South, and Tom and team still got it done. He was great this year and 100% is the guy who got a good team over the top. Taught them how to play and win. All season. Not just yesterday. And those players are clearly fighting for him.
If you have a great horse and trainer, but a lousy jockey, you ain’t winning. You can have a mediocre trainer, middle road horse, and top jockey and have a shot. To me, Tom separated himself from Bill without a question. He’s the jockey that gives every trainer and horse a chance to win.
Great game to look forward to. Past, present, and future of the game on the same field, tied 2-2 head to head, for all the marbles. First time since early 2000s Pats we will have a team with a shot to back up their win the prior year. Glad this is the game. Wasn’t digging Buffalo v GB.
I can't keep track who is & isn't a dupe these days, Haha.
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there is no f-in way Brady takes those Denver teams in '87, '88 and '90. Elway took a team of mediocre offensive talent and literally carried them to three SBs in four years.
you're losing me on this one. Brady is much greater than Elway even though he doesn't have Elway's amazing skills. His head, timing, touch and ability to perform in the moment is virtually unmatched in the history of the game.
Did you see those Denver teams?
I'm assuming so. And if so, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I think the world of what Brady has done, do you really think Brady could have put those Denver teams on his arm and legs like Elway?
Brady, Leonard Fournette, Gronk, Mike Evans, Antonio Brown, Godwin, Suh, JPP, Barrett, Devin White, Lavonte David, Davis, Winfield - you gotta be kidding me.
They have as much frontline talent as any team in the NFL. I said before, they are trying to buy a Championship and it just might work. 1 game away.