I started a thread last week on this, but deleted it. This week, I’ve got to leave it up. As each year passes, I’m more impressed that Coughlin & Eli won *two* titles in their tenure here. It’s so hard to do, as we just watched the Packers lose at home. We watched the Saints lose last week at home.
Just an incredible accomplishment.
also why what Tom Brady has done is just unbelievable...
also why what Tom Brady has done is just unbelievable...
Brady is the goat and it isn’t close. What he’s done is amazing.
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Not with his 50 million cap hit
Brady always took less money to win.
Mahomes salary will hurt the future
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also why what Tom Brady has done is just unbelievable...
Brady is the goat and it isn’t close. What he’s done is amazing.
No doubt he’s the goat but he went to a rather stacked offensive team. That offense prior to this year didn’t have problems scoring with Jameis and Fitzmagic leading even with all the ints they each threw.
All of it meant/means nothing. Their book is written and now that the dust is settled you see what’s what. No, Eli never won the MVP or threw for 40 plus TD’s and single digit int’s. He was never the first pick in anybody’s fantasy draft. But he has 2 rings and a lot of guys people might have preferred over him don’t.
All of it meant/means nothing. Their book is written and now that the dust is settled you see what’s what. No, Eli never won the MVP or threw for 40 plus TD’s and single digit int’s. He was never the first pick in anybody’s fantasy draft. But he has 2 rings and a lot of guys people might have preferred over him don’t.
What happened with Eli and Coughlin has zero to do with what's happening now. Unfortunately you're not the only guy the doesn't understand that...that problem extends up into ownership.
You ever gonna have the balls to name the people you're calling out?
Just saying,
Also, I understand perfectly that those Giants aren’t comparable to this team. What you keep failing to understand is I’m not comparing the teams, I’m comparing the blowhard know it all’s that went from thread to thread and thought they knew better than everybody else and loved to tell you all about it.
Just saying,
Nah. It’s January 24th and I’m enjoying watching the playoffs today. Nothing wrong with appreciating the two titles.
It’s like your on a ledge somewhere.
For thinking that the roster has stunk since 2012and Manning and Coughlin bore the brunt of the blame for it?
What exactly?
Yeah, the things I wanted to happen didn’t. But I won’t apologize for rooting for them to happen.
And by the way, let’s not get it twisted. I called a lot of what actually happened. It didn’t work out, but it wasn’t anything outlandish.
Sure, the book hasn't been written, but if anyone looks at the roster objectively it's a bottom 10 (and I would argue bottom 5) roster in the sport. It has very few if any at all premium players at premium positions.
The current regime has failed miserably rebuilding this roster. You can't still lack talent in nearly every critical area of a team after 3 years of top 10 picks and cap space.
Giants are no closer to contending than they were the day Gettleman was hired.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
Both were true. Eli was finished, and the roster was terrible.
And the roster is still terrible. They weren't in cap hell, they had top picks for 3 straight years, and the roster is still terrible.
They're no closer to working their way out of it than they were 3 years ago.
Name 5 rosters you would unequivocally say are in worse shape than the Giants right now. How many years does DG get to blame what happened previously?
The teams that take longer than 3 years to rebuild are the organizations that fucking suck. It doesn't take longer than that if you have a front office with a clue.
Joe Judge did a very good job, but he's not going to make this roster a contender. They need much better players. They need to stop letting a total clown like DG make decisions.
DG should have been shit canned last off-season, he should have been this off-season.
John Mara is a total fool for believing this team is on the right path. It's still on a path to no where.
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It shows how truly hard it is to win the championship. It also shows how special of a player Brady is. I think barring injury, Mahomes gets there as well.
Not with his 50 million cap hit
Brady always took less money to win.
Mahomes salary will hurt the future
he didn't "always" take less, but he sometimes did.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
And again, that was a path not taken. And my guess is you weren’t looking for a placeholder...you were looking for the guy that played in 2011. But he was gone already.
Don’t jump off that couch.
Here we go again...
“I want it now.... I want the whole world....”
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I said he could still play. He could still make every throw. That he could be a placeholder while the team was built around him to make the transition that much better for the next guy. That he was capable of playing out his contract and even being extended a year if they were waiting for the right QB. He was capable of all that.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
And again, that was a path not taken. And my guess is you weren’t looking for a placeholder...you were looking for the guy that played in 2011. But he was gone already.
Don’t jump off that couch.
Is it hard to keep track of whether you’re logged in as Googs or LBH15? I think it would be a pain in the butt.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
You said he could still play. You were wrong. You said he could make every throw. You were wrong. You said it was the "revenge tour". You were wrong.
McAdoo was right about 2 things. Eli being finished and Patrick Mahomes.
2016 Eli played some shit football, the defense stood on their heads and McAdoo did a good job getting that team to the playoffs. 2017 Eli was terrible. 2018 Eli was terrible.
The organization failed Eli after 2012, but by 2017 he was pretty close to finished, and it was very obvious in 2018 that he was finished.
What does make every throw even mean anyways? In shorts and a t shirt he can throw a 20 yard out? I'm sure he can still do that today. Doesn't mean he wasnt finished. When the bullets were flying he could not consistently make the throws necessary to be a good QB in the NFL.
Eli was not capable of all of that. You watched Eli in 2018 and somehow believed he wasn't finished. You were dead wrong, and you're still wrong.
McAdoo gets a lot of shit around here, but he was right about Eli being finished when he was.
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I said he could still play. He could still make every throw. That he could be a placeholder while the team was built around him to make the transition that much better for the next guy. That he was capable of playing out his contract and even being extended a year if they were waiting for the right QB. He was capable of all that.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
And again, that was a path not taken. And my guess is you weren’t looking for a placeholder...you were looking for the guy that played in 2011. But he was gone already.
Don’t jump off that couch.
My take is well documented, and it’s exactly as I outlined above. That the team could build around Manning and have it be better for the next guy. You can call it placeholder or whatever you want, but that’s what it was.
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I said he could still play. He could still make every throw. That he could be a placeholder while the team was built around him to make the transition that much better for the next guy. That he was capable of playing out his contract and even being extended a year if they were waiting for the right QB. He was capable of all that.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
And again, that was a path not taken. And my guess is you weren’t looking for a placeholder...you were looking for the guy that played in 2011. But he was gone already.
Don’t jump off that couch.
Is it hard to keep track of whether you’re logged in as Googs or LBH15? I think it would be a pain in the butt.
Ask crick
There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating that Eli was done at the end of 2017. He started to show some signs in 2016, calling it shit football a post before was too harsh but he was definitely a problem at times offensively that year.
The problem with the Giants is you can easily make the argument that the Giants are in no better shape going forward than they were the day DG was hired and even being able to have that debate after 3 years of top 6 picks and a lot of cap space is inexcusable.
All of the Giants eggs are in Daniel Jones basket. If he doesn't take a big step forward in 2021 it's back to square one. And he certainly didnt do anything this year to give anyone confidence that he will have a breakout 3rd season.
I didn't hate the Jones pick and I'll never hate drafting a QB if you dont already have one as long as you truly believe in the guy then go for it. But I'd be lying if I said I had confidence in him being the answer at this point. He doesn't look like he has the ability to elevate those around him, and yes I do realize he's not playing with great weapons, but his GM has done nothing to get him top weapons at receiver.
DG has invested a lot of draft capital in the offense and so far it's been a miserable failure.
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I said he could still play. He could still make every throw. That he could be a placeholder while the team was built around him to make the transition that much better for the next guy. That he was capable of playing out his contract and even being extended a year if they were waiting for the right QB. He was capable of all that.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
And again, that was a path not taken. And my guess is you weren’t looking for a placeholder...you were looking for the guy that played in 2011. But he was gone already.
Don’t jump off that couch.
Is it hard to keep track of whether you’re logged in as Googs or LBH15? I think it would be a pain in the butt.
Ask crick
You have three handles? That must be exhausting.
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I said he could still play. He could still make every throw. That he could be a placeholder while the team was built around him to make the transition that much better for the next guy. That he was capable of playing out his contract and even being extended a year if they were waiting for the right QB. He was capable of all that.
Interestingly enough, had the Giants done that they may have ended up with BBI’s beloved Herbert right in their lap while Eli rode off into the sunset, but I digress.
And again, that was a path not taken. And my guess is you weren’t looking for a placeholder...you were looking for the guy that played in 2011. But he was gone already.
Don’t jump off that couch.
My take is well docvumented, and it’s exactly as I outlined above. That the team could build around Manning and have it be better for the next guy. You can call it placeholder or whatever you want, but that’s what it was.
So DG shouldn’t have taken Daniel Jones?
Where are you going with all this?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating that Eli was done at the end of 2017. He started to show some signs in 2016, calling it shit football a post before was too harsh but he was definitely a problem at times offensively that year.
Manning was sacked 47 times in 2018, including 31 times in the first 8 games as he dealt with a line that turned over all five positions in that time period.
Despite this, he threw for 4200 yards with a 66% completion rate, 21 TD’s to 11 Int’s, and a 92.4 passer rating.
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admit it and say that Eli was finished in 2018, but even DG has said they were wrong thinking that group potentially had another run left in them.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating that Eli was done at the end of 2017. He started to show some signs in 2016, calling it shit football a post before was too harsh but he was definitely a problem at times offensively that year.
Manning was sacked 47 times in 2018, including 31 times in the first 8 games as he dealt with a line that turned over all five positions in that time period.
Despite this, he threw for 4200 yards with a 66% completion rate, 21 TD’s to 11 Int’s, and a 92.4 passer rating.
And the team won 5 games because he couldn’t carry that sorry ass roster anymore.
Mook is right. Eli showed plenty of decline in 2016. A cold hard but correct decision would have ended it after that season. A hard but easy decision would have done it after 2017. Anything past that was denial. And keeping him on paying his contract and drafting Daniel Jones in 2019 was incompetence.
What gang?
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admit it and say that Eli was finished in 2018, but even DG has said they were wrong thinking that group potentially had another run left in them.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating that Eli was done at the end of 2017. He started to show some signs in 2016, calling it shit football a post before was too harsh but he was definitely a problem at times offensively that year.
Manning was sacked 47 times in 2018, including 31 times in the first 8 games as he dealt with a line that turned over all five positions in that time period.
Despite this, he threw for 4200 yards with a 66% completion rate, 21 TD’s to 11 Int’s, and a 92.4 passer rating.
Boy you're going to die on that hill aren't you?
The Giants were at least 1 if not 2 years late moving on from Eli, they will be at least 1 if not 2 years late moving on from DG.
But hey, this team is on the right path according to JM so all is well.
The problem with the fan base being delusional at times is that John Mara is also delusional.
DG should never have gotten the job 3 years ago and he should not be employed by the Giants still. Joe Judge has a giant anchor around his neck in DG and he better hope DG's ineptitude doesn't cost him his job in a couple years too.