How could you possibly criticize or want to trade Randle this season? He's playing at an all nba level. Most importantly- he is helping them win.
Some fans are completely ridiculous.
I mean, even if you're playing the best on the team, it doesn't mean they're above criticism. Every player in the league can do things better.
I'm very happy with the evolution of Randle and am very against moving him. I'm against moving most of the team unless it's for an all-star player on a deal where they're not entering free agency. I think this team is extremely young and showing great signs of growth.
he's a better player than Rivers. I will die on this hill. Rivers looked good for about 3 games now looks like Austin Rivers again. At least Payton can get to the basket and play defense. Does Rivers do either?
Rivers was guarding Lillard the entire 4th quarter and did a pretty good job..
Rivers is a better shooter, Rivers has a better handle and can get to the rim..
Payton can get to the rim, finishing is another story, Paytons defense is overrated..
It's so godamn great having a good coach. The reason they got back in it was doubling Lilliard down the stretch as soon as he got over half court and forcing the ball out of his hands while the clock struck midnight and all the Blazers scrubs started missing finally. As long as Thibs is here we could probably find a way to play Obi and Randle together eventually. He'll figure out a way to make it work defensively. I'm all for trading for Hield or Oladipo at the deadline if we have a good shot at the play in games. Oladipo has looked great this year and we really need shooters. IQ and Burks got a lot of burn together in the 2nd half last night and that's really an intriguing duo to play together with their shooting and D. I'd like to see a lot more of it.
I was gonna bring up Hali last night but it was too late to start a riot. Would be nice to have both but who knows if we take Quickley at #25 if we take Hali in the lottery? Overall we're doing OK in the draft in recent years - just keep grinding away at it.
they made a mistake and Randle should of been at the line shooting 2 free throws to tie the game...Thibs didnt have a timeout to challenge..
Also Chopper how can you say Randle is a black hole? he is constantly trying to set up his teammates, and yes there are times he looks for his own shot, that doesnt make him a blackhole..
The offense runs through him, he sets up his teammates, how many wide open looks did Burks get because of Randle??
And just because Toppin can jump higher he should play more? he needs to develop, let him start playing well with the 15 to 18 minutes he is getting now and then minutes will increase..
I am tired of this notion that a young player only develops by playing a ton of minutes, that is simply not true and in fact playing a ton of minutes right away and struggling and losing hurts their development
I dont think je is a black hole. But he DOES stop the ball, takes his time and either does something very weird like spinning towards the baseline and putting up a 12 footer (he made that shot last night) or deciding his idea isnt going to work and dumping the ball off with 4 on the clock (THAT, I hate!).
I dont WANT to get rid of Randle. But would probably prefer him as the trade piece over Toppin. I lile that Toppin is above the rim and he is very fast without the ball.
If Toppin gets us Beal so beal it. But the offensive plan of JR has to change if we get a scorer like Beal.
What I want from Randle is 1 dribble-> decisive move.
RE: RE: The great thing about the randle/toppin dilemma
you dont have to make a decision until after next year, you habe Randle controlled, you cant sign him to an extrnsion anyway, Toppin is locked up..
You can see how it grows and if it comes a point you can play them together..
This is my take as well. What's the rush? Don't be crazy and turn this team over to Obi Toppin just yet. I'd like to see the guy create his own shot just once before I even entertain any notions of him being a reliable player.
If we want to trade for Beal before he can hold teams hostage, we would have to do it this year as I understand it.
But JR is a numbers vulture. His shot selection is horrendous and because he goes 25 and 10 should not be a reason to keep him around a young team. Because he does everything we dont want to do. He stops the ball like he is Melo, he dribbles too much, he males half assed passes, he spins and just throws the ball to a spot when his idea doesnt work out. He is playing VERY BAD basketball right now. Sure hes scores a lot and gets assists towards the end of games. But he SUCKS. He only turns it on when we have younger players in or are in a scorimg dog fight. Get him the fuck out of here.
I know I was higjer on him earlier on, but now he has reverted back to be a numbers whore. Sell him for whatever.
If I could get Beal for JR and a couple firsts plus, or JR and Barrett and a 1st I would do it. Not Toppin tho. If it takes mire than that, ask. Randle showed promise but has reverted back to garden slug status.
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Tom Thibodeau says he likes the rotation now, including Immanuel Quickley coming off the bench: "Right now we feel the best opportunity to win is doing the things that we're doing."
Payton playing the entire third quarter every night
bothers me far more than him starting, as frustrating as it is. It's my only real Thibs complaint so far - we might win last night if Quickley enters a few minutes earlier.
RE: Payton playing the entire third quarter every night
bothers me far more than him starting, as frustrating as it is. It's my only real Thibs complaint so far - we might win last night if Quickley enters a few minutes earlier.
Yeah its really bithering me how Payton plays entire quarters, and like you said a quicker hook for Payton may have resulted in a win
Look at your 1:58am post. Where you said “HE SUCKS.”
Had trouble finding it based on the time stamp you offered. But yes, its there. I didnt finish the post as I watching Marco Polo while posting. I meant to say that HE SUCKS at maintaining the flow of rhe offense. A couple games ago, he was missing everything for 3 quarters and was turning down much easier shots to kick it out for contested 3. Then, there are games where he resorts to the one on one game at the wrong times of the game.
Randle definitely doesnt suck and I apologize for the hasty submit, but I def think his approach SUCKS sometimes and has recently.
Sorry for the confusion. I need to put the phone down when doing something else.
RE: RE: RE: I would also like to someone to point out
Look at your 1:58am post. Where you said “HE SUCKS.”
Had trouble finding it based on the time stamp you offered. But yes, its there. I didnt finish the post as I watching Marco Polo while posting. I meant to say that HE SUCKS at maintaining the flow of rhe offense. A couple games ago, he was missing everything for 3 quarters and was turning down much easier shots to kick it out for contested 3. Then, there are games where he resorts to the one on one game at the wrong times of the game.
Randle definitely doesnt suck and I apologize for the hasty submit, but I def think his approach SUCKS sometimes and has recently.
Sorry for the confusion. I need to put the phone down when doing something else.
Didn’t mean to come across as snarky AT ALL. Very much enjoy your posts (and pics of that porterhouse) so ignore my goofy post and keep rolling.
RE: RE: Payton playing the entire third quarter every night
bothers me far more than him starting, as frustrating as it is. It's my only real Thibs complaint so far - we might win last night if Quickley enters a few minutes earlier.
Yeah its really bithering me how Payton plays entire quarters, and like you said a quicker hook for Payton may have resulted in a win
His pattern has been that Payton comes out along with the rest of the starters and Quickly comes in with the second unit. Then if Quickly is playing well Thibs will often leave him in as he brings in the rest of the the starting unit but leave Peyton on the bench as Quickly gets more minutes with the starting unit. For whatever reason, Thibs hasn't yet wanted to just pull out Payton and swap him for Quickly. Maybe he views that as too much of a benching and does it this way for team harmony, or maybe out of respect for a veteran, or perhaps just wanting Quickly to have to do more to earn it, but he doesn't seem to want to flat out bench Peyton for Quickly. Pulling him with the rest of the unit provides him that cover. He may also believe Payton does a better job establishing himself on the defensive end, and we know Thibs always views defense as a priority.
Whatever the reasons, at least Thibs seems like the perfect fit as the head coach to lead these Knicks out of the dark ages. He is probably trying to have them crawl before they walk, and walk before they run. The positive take would be Thibs has enough experience and know how to formulate the best way to bring along a young talent like Quickly, and the things he does now will bring about greater benefits down the road.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I would also like to someone to point out
Look at your 1:58am post. Where you said “HE SUCKS.”
Had trouble finding it based on the time stamp you offered. But yes, its there. I didnt finish the post as I watching Marco Polo while posting. I meant to say that HE SUCKS at maintaining the flow of rhe offense. A couple games ago, he was missing everything for 3 quarters and was turning down much easier shots to kick it out for contested 3. Then, there are games where he resorts to the one on one game at the wrong times of the game.
Randle definitely doesnt suck and I apologize for the hasty submit, but I def think his approach SUCKS sometimes and has recently.
Sorry for the confusion. I need to put the phone down when doing something else.
Didn’t mean to come across as snarky AT ALL. Very much enjoy your posts (and pics of that porterhouse) so ignore my goofy post and keep rolling.
Oh Jim youre good! I just didnt I actually realize I said "HE SUCKS" without the crust of the statement. Happy to admit when Im wrong, plus my typing has gotten progressively half assed so there are bpund to be mistakes.
Not snarky at all, pointing out fact is not snarky.
Some fans are completely ridiculous.
I mean, even if you're playing the best on the team, it doesn't mean they're above criticism. Every player in the league can do things better.
I'm very happy with the evolution of Randle and am very against moving him. I'm against moving most of the team unless it's for an all-star player on a deal where they're not entering free agency. I think this team is extremely young and showing great signs of growth.
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he's a better player than Rivers. I will die on this hill. Rivers looked good for about 3 games now looks like Austin Rivers again. At least Payton can get to the basket and play defense. Does Rivers do either?
Rivers was guarding Lillard the entire 4th quarter and did a pretty good job..
Rivers is a better shooter, Rivers has a better handle and can get to the rim..
Payton can get to the rim, finishing is another story, Paytons defense is overrated..
It's so godamn great having a good coach. The reason they got back in it was doubling Lilliard down the stretch as soon as he got over half court and forcing the ball out of his hands while the clock struck midnight and all the Blazers scrubs started missing finally. As long as Thibs is here we could probably find a way to play Obi and Randle together eventually. He'll figure out a way to make it work defensively. I'm all for trading for Hield or Oladipo at the deadline if we have a good shot at the play in games. Oladipo has looked great this year and we really need shooters. IQ and Burks got a lot of burn together in the 2nd half last night and that's really an intriguing duo to play together with their shooting and D. I'd like to see a lot more of it.
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but he's got to clean up on the turnovers. I know they're running the offense through him, but his turnover rate is still pretty high in our losses.
When you have the ball in your hands and the offense runs through you, there are going tk be turnovers..
I already acknowledged that when I pointed to the fact that they're running the offense through him.
He's even acknowledged that he has to clean up the turnovers in post game interviews. Just something to keep an eye on.
I was gonna bring up Hali last night but it was too late to start a riot. Would be nice to have both but who knows if we take Quickley at #25 if we take Hali in the lottery? Overall we're doing OK in the draft in recent years - just keep grinding away at it.
Also Chopper how can you say Randle is a black hole? he is constantly trying to set up his teammates, and yes there are times he looks for his own shot, that doesnt make him a blackhole..
The offense runs through him, he sets up his teammates, how many wide open looks did Burks get because of Randle??
And just because Toppin can jump higher he should play more? he needs to develop, let him start playing well with the 15 to 18 minutes he is getting now and then minutes will increase..
I am tired of this notion that a young player only develops by playing a ton of minutes, that is simply not true and in fact playing a ton of minutes right away and struggling and losing hurts their development
I dont think je is a black hole. But he DOES stop the ball, takes his time and either does something very weird like spinning towards the baseline and putting up a 12 footer (he made that shot last night) or deciding his idea isnt going to work and dumping the ball off with 4 on the clock (THAT, I hate!).
I dont WANT to get rid of Randle. But would probably prefer him as the trade piece over Toppin. I lile that Toppin is above the rim and he is very fast without the ball.
If Toppin gets us Beal so beal it. But the offensive plan of JR has to change if we get a scorer like Beal.
What I want from Randle is 1 dribble-> decisive move.
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you dont have to make a decision until after next year, you habe Randle controlled, you cant sign him to an extrnsion anyway, Toppin is locked up..
You can see how it grows and if it comes a point you can play them together..
This is my take as well. What's the rush? Don't be crazy and turn this team over to Obi Toppin just yet. I'd like to see the guy create his own shot just once before I even entertain any notions of him being a reliable player.
If we want to trade for Beal before he can hold teams hostage, we would have to do it this year as I understand it.
:-)
you serious? this is what you said:
But JR is a numbers vulture. His shot selection is horrendous and because he goes 25 and 10 should not be a reason to keep him around a young team. Because he does everything we dont want to do. He stops the ball like he is Melo, he dribbles too much, he males half assed passes, he spins and just throws the ball to a spot when his idea doesnt work out. He is playing VERY BAD basketball right now. Sure hes scores a lot and gets assists towards the end of games. But he SUCKS. He only turns it on when we have younger players in or are in a scorimg dog fight. Get him the fuck out of here.
I know I was higjer on him earlier on, but now he has reverted back to be a numbers whore. Sell him for whatever.
If I could get Beal for JR and a couple firsts plus, or JR and Barrett and a 1st I would do it. Not Toppin tho. If it takes mire than that, ask. Randle showed promise but has reverted back to garden slug status.
Look at your 1:58am post. Where you said “HE SUCKS.”
@SBondyNYDN
Tom Thibodeau says he likes the rotation now, including Immanuel Quickley coming off the bench: "Right now we feel the best opportunity to win is doing the things that we're doing."
Yeah its really bithering me how Payton plays entire quarters, and like you said a quicker hook for Payton may have resulted in a win
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Where I said "Randle sucks."
Look at your 1:58am post. Where you said “HE SUCKS.”
Had trouble finding it based on the time stamp you offered. But yes, its there. I didnt finish the post as I watching Marco Polo while posting. I meant to say that HE SUCKS at maintaining the flow of rhe offense. A couple games ago, he was missing everything for 3 quarters and was turning down much easier shots to kick it out for contested 3. Then, there are games where he resorts to the one on one game at the wrong times of the game.
Randle definitely doesnt suck and I apologize for the hasty submit, but I def think his approach SUCKS sometimes and has recently.
Sorry for the confusion. I need to put the phone down when doing something else.
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In comment 15134117 chopperhatch said:
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Where I said "Randle sucks."
Look at your 1:58am post. Where you said “HE SUCKS.”
Had trouble finding it based on the time stamp you offered. But yes, its there. I didnt finish the post as I watching Marco Polo while posting. I meant to say that HE SUCKS at maintaining the flow of rhe offense. A couple games ago, he was missing everything for 3 quarters and was turning down much easier shots to kick it out for contested 3. Then, there are games where he resorts to the one on one game at the wrong times of the game.
Randle definitely doesnt suck and I apologize for the hasty submit, but I def think his approach SUCKS sometimes and has recently.
Sorry for the confusion. I need to put the phone down when doing something else.
Didn’t mean to come across as snarky AT ALL. Very much enjoy your posts (and pics of that porterhouse) so ignore my goofy post and keep rolling.
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bothers me far more than him starting, as frustrating as it is. It's my only real Thibs complaint so far - we might win last night if Quickley enters a few minutes earlier.
Yeah its really bithering me how Payton plays entire quarters, and like you said a quicker hook for Payton may have resulted in a win
His pattern has been that Payton comes out along with the rest of the starters and Quickly comes in with the second unit. Then if Quickly is playing well Thibs will often leave him in as he brings in the rest of the the starting unit but leave Peyton on the bench as Quickly gets more minutes with the starting unit. For whatever reason, Thibs hasn't yet wanted to just pull out Payton and swap him for Quickly. Maybe he views that as too much of a benching and does it this way for team harmony, or maybe out of respect for a veteran, or perhaps just wanting Quickly to have to do more to earn it, but he doesn't seem to want to flat out bench Peyton for Quickly. Pulling him with the rest of the unit provides him that cover. He may also believe Payton does a better job establishing himself on the defensive end, and we know Thibs always views defense as a priority.
Whatever the reasons, at least Thibs seems like the perfect fit as the head coach to lead these Knicks out of the dark ages. He is probably trying to have them crawl before they walk, and walk before they run. The positive take would be Thibs has enough experience and know how to formulate the best way to bring along a young talent like Quickly, and the things he does now will bring about greater benefits down the road.
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In comment 15134201 Jim from Katonah said:
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In comment 15134117 chopperhatch said:
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Where I said "Randle sucks."
Look at your 1:58am post. Where you said “HE SUCKS.”
Had trouble finding it based on the time stamp you offered. But yes, its there. I didnt finish the post as I watching Marco Polo while posting. I meant to say that HE SUCKS at maintaining the flow of rhe offense. A couple games ago, he was missing everything for 3 quarters and was turning down much easier shots to kick it out for contested 3. Then, there are games where he resorts to the one on one game at the wrong times of the game.
Randle definitely doesnt suck and I apologize for the hasty submit, but I def think his approach SUCKS sometimes and has recently.
Sorry for the confusion. I need to put the phone down when doing something else.
Didn’t mean to come across as snarky AT ALL. Very much enjoy your posts (and pics of that porterhouse) so ignore my goofy post and keep rolling.
Oh Jim youre good! I just didnt I actually realize I said "HE SUCKS" without the crust of the statement. Happy to admit when Im wrong, plus my typing has gotten progressively half assed so there are bpund to be mistakes.
Not snarky at all, pointing out fact is not snarky.
then play a back to back against the suns