Patrick Queen was trash this year. Led the NFL with 22 missed tackles and had a 117 QB passer rating against him. He may be a good player but to list him as if he would have been huge in defeating Tampa Bay is nonsense.
It's like Doug Marrone trying to Hide in the second half versus the Pats....It's a bad decision that proves you don't have the Balls or the Brains to win a big game.
It's a tough winter knowing that the absolute worst decision was made by your coach..... statistically and stylistically the most unlikely path to win that gane is what he chose.
At 37 years of age, I'm not sure how AR can reconcile being Coached by him....I don't know how any player can accept that decision.
These former OC head coaches who continue calling plays...
When the D is falling apart, they always have this deer in the headlight look. I think Coughlin (and hopefully Judge), could give better direction when the D wheels start coming off.
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
Expecting to get that stop was the problem. Granted, the D played well in the 2nd half, but taking the ball out of your best player's hands even though a FG still leaves you needing a TD to win.
To top that off, they decide to allow the KR to return the KO, and brought it back to near midfield. Worst case if you go for it on 4th down, you don't get it, you're still down one score, and you're giving Brady the ball on the 8.
Ask yourself, how would Belichick have handled this? This was a no-brainer, and LaFleur blew it. He's a good coach, but this wasn't his greatest moment.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
So worst case scenario he goes for it and doesn't get it, then they have to stop the Bucs and that's exactly what they had to do with the best case scenario of a field goal.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
So worst case scenario he goes for it and doesn't get it, then they have to stop the Bucs and that's exactly what they had to do with the best case scenario of a field goal.
Not certain whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing..:)
One play from the 8 yard line with perhaps the best QB ever
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having to get a 3-and-out against Tom Brady
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then scoring a TD with under a minute left, having to go the length of the field and no timeouts
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It honestly may have been the worst coaching decision I've ever seen in a big spot.
Did you miss the Seahawks vs Pats SB? :p
Devils advocate here, but your comp is wrong. It's:
One play from 8 yard line AND 2 pt conversion AND having to get a stop against TB AND last second GW FG (or OT victory)
No matter what he choose on the 4th and 8, they needed to stop TB and the Bucs.
That's why it was a dumb decision. Either way they'd need to stop TB. But if you kick a FG you still need to score a TD, but this time likely starting from your own 25 yard line (best case scenario).
But if you are trying to stop TB and they are starting at their own 8 yard line, you will get much better field position, and if something bad happens to TB you are set up beautifully.
no one seems to be talking about the call to go for two earlier in the second half to make it a 3 point game. That in my opinion was the mistake that snowballed. If they are only down by 7 at that point they go for it and if they fail, have TB trapped inside their own ten yard line.
He made a call that said the best player on the team, who is a top all time player, would not be able to get 2 yards. However, our defense will stop Brady and get the ball back
Even if they missed there were in the same situation on defense after the kickoff
Terrible
He needed to run on third down and overrule his green coach on fourth
I cannot believe Rodgers didn’t do at least one of those things. I imagine it’ll be a game that’ll live with them all for a long time.
Under every circumstance - td, fg, or miss on 4th down, your team is going to be back on defense. So what position can you put them and your team in? You need to score 8 to tie and give yourself a chance to win.
With a td+2, the defense is on even footing and TB may play tight to avoid another turnover. Playing for OT starts to become a factor. Helps the defense. If you miss the two point conversion, you’re still on defense but now a fg can win the game.
Missing the fourth down attempt puts Bucs backs against the wall, and Bucs are probably running in an attempt to give space to the punter, bleed the clock, force GB to use their timeouts, and maybe they break one off if lucky. Defense needs to make a stop to get a chance to tie. Field position benefit to the defense. Still need to score a td+2.
Fg relieves pressure of field position and defense needs to make a stop to get a chance to win. Defense will only realize a benefit if special teams makes a big play, but you’re probably kicking the ball out of the back of the end zone to prevent a big return. Still need to score a td, but don’t have to go for 2pts.
In every circumstance, the defense needs to make a stop to prevent a loss, and your offense is going to need points on the ensuing drive. The field goal really didn’t do anything for them except remove a guaranteed opportunity to take a shot into the end zone from close range and give up field position. There is an argument to be made that if you need to make a stop and you need to make one more score, why not make it be for the win. I just don’t think it is very persuasive.
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And not handing the ball to Marshawn Lynch is still the worst call in the history of football, including our own sordid history of bad calls.
I just rewatched the 3rd down play. Rodgers can stroll into the end zone if he runs it to the right
There is no way he makes it in. There were 3 defenders right on the goal line, and Rodgers doesn't have the foot speed to go 8 yards before they go 4. I do think that if he had run it, by getting closer to the goal line, he may have influenced LaFleur to go for it, but he would not have scored.
were not 3 defenders on the goal line. The DB's were to the middle and left of the field and he had a couple lineman 2 yards behind him. To the right, it was clear.
LaFleur's decision is grabbing the headlines, but Rodgers couldn't get it done. LaFleur even admitted in the postgame that his decision to take the points and rely on his defense was influenced by the fact that the offense couldn't get any yards from the 8 in three tries.
were not 3 defenders on the goal line. The DB's were to the middle and left of the field and he had a couple lineman 2 yards behind him. To the right, it was clear.
The 2 DB's were on the goal line, just to the right of the right hash. JPP was about 3 yds to Rodgers left as he threw the ball. No way he gets into the end zone. I saved a still of the shot, but don't recall where I can save it online to post here.
were not 3 defenders on the goal line. The DB's were to the middle and left of the field and he had a couple lineman 2 yards behind him. To the right, it was clear.
In the photo I saw, JPP was in full gallop and had an angle on Rodgers and there were two CBs on the goal line on top of the right hashmark (and a CB about 5 yards deep in the end zone only a few yards from the right sideline). I personally think Rodgers would have been buried around the 3 or 4 yard line, but what do I know.
the video. If he doesn't get in - he gets damn close:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1353478571898015744
Yeah, that's the video I saw, but those 2 DB's would have closed on him as soon as he crossed the LOS. I do think if he had run, he would have gotten close enough to influence LaFleur to go for it, but I don't think he would have made it. Maybe the Aaron Rodgers of 5-6 years ago.
are moving left and have their backs turned. Rodgers has to outrun JPP and Suh. He's at the 10 with a 2 yard advantage. If he doesn't get in, he's close enough where a 4th down play isn't even a tough decision to go for it.
RE: Rodgers definitely could have made a play there
LaFleur's decision is grabbing the headlines, but Rodgers couldn't get it done. LaFleur even admitted in the postgame that his decision to take the points and rely on his defense was influenced by the fact that the offense couldn't get any yards from the 8 in three tries.
Sure, but Rodgers also had a WR who forgot to look up for the ball on first down, had a DT on his back on 2nd down. As I said, I think running on 3rd would have gotten him close enough to force LaFleur's hand, but he saw a guy open briefly and tried to squeeze it in.
are moving left and have their backs turned. Rodgers has to outrun JPP and Suh. He's at the 10 with a 2 yard advantage. If he doesn't get in, he's close enough where a 4th down play isn't even a tough decision to go for it.
Definitely agree with that, had he run, he would have forced LaFleur's hand with a 4th & goal at the 2 0r 3.
If Rodgers pump fakes to the middle, he likely scores. Suh and Barrett are behind Rodgers when he steps up in the pocket. Suh has the better angle, but I don't think he can walk Rodgers down from behind.
He's under control and halfway going for the bat down: waiting on Rodgers' throw and getting his hand up. I think the poster above was right about a quick pump fake and running right gets him a shot at 6. At the very least they're within a few yards of the end zone and LaFleur likely goes for it.
are moving left and have their backs turned. Rodgers has to outrun JPP and Suh. He's at the 10 with a 2 yard advantage. If he doesn't get in, he's close enough where a 4th down play isn't even a tough decision to go for it.
I keep watching the clip and it’s a tough call ... I’d tend to trust Rodger’s instincts and feel, but it would’ve been close. Maybe if he got to the 2 or 3, LaFleur goes for it though.
He's under control and halfway going for the bat down: waiting on Rodgers' throw and getting his hand up. I think the poster above was right about a quick pump fake and running right gets him a shot at 6. At the very least they're within a few yards of the end zone and LaFleur likely goes for it.
Yeah maybe you’re right.
RE: Mike Pettine calling man coverage with 6 seconds left in the 1st half
And Tampa Bay at the 40 yard line was easily the worst call of the day
I've looked at that play multiple times now because to me it was pretty much changed the whole dynamic of the game. All the momentum and GB tightened up right there and then.
Actually wrote before I thought it was 3 or quarters, but it it was man single high. Just unbelievably sloppy and Pettine getting a pass here is perplexing. This is an Arians coached team, give him a shot he's taking it. Is it surprising an Arians football team ran 4 vertical routes? No of course not. They should have been playing man cover 2 in that spot. It's going to be a long fg on grass either way.
RE: RE: Mike Pettine calling man coverage with 6 seconds left in the 1st half
And Tampa Bay at the 40 yard line was easily the worst call of the day
I've looked at that play multiple times now because to me it was pretty much changed the whole dynamic of the game. All the momentum and GB tightened up right there and then.
Actually wrote before I thought it was 3 or quarters, but it it was man single high. Just unbelievably sloppy and Pettine getting a pass here is perplexing. This is an Arians coached team, give him a shot he's taking it. Is it surprising an Arians football team ran 4 vertical routes? No of course not. They should have been playing man cover 2 in that spot. It's going to be a long fg on grass either way.
Agreed it was huge. But I’d say the Jones fumble — and subsequent injury — hurt the most. Jones is an incredible red zone weapon too, big hit to no have him on the field down the stretch.
3 failed tries to get into the endzone. Now they have to do it twice in a row just to tie. Kicking the FG wasn't a bad idea. The D didn't hold up.
But if they do score — and they have Rodgers and Adams from inside the 10, the two best TD producers in the sport this year — and don’t get the 2, they just need a FG to win if the D gets a stop.
RE: RE: Mike Pettine calling man coverage with 6 seconds left in the 1st half
And Tampa Bay at the 40 yard line was easily the worst call of the day
I've looked at that play multiple times now because to me it was pretty much changed the whole dynamic of the game. All the momentum and GB tightened up right there and then.
Actually wrote before I thought it was 3 or quarters, but it it was man single high. Just unbelievably sloppy and Pettine getting a pass here is perplexing. This is an Arians coached team, give him a shot he's taking it. Is it surprising an Arians football team ran 4 vertical routes? No of course not. They should have been playing man cover 2 in that spot. It's going to be a long fg on grass either way.
It was a big mistake by coaches and King himself. And then it was only magnified at beginning of 3Q when Aaron Jones fumbled and the Bucs went right in fro another score.
The game went from 14-10 to 28-10 and Rodgers had a big uphill battle to fight.
I’m surprised by how many people disagreed with the decision
The chances of scoring a TD on 4th and goal from the 8 is low. Then you have to convert on the 2 pt try. Then you have to prevent TB who is now operating with their full playbook trying to move down the field, rather than a TB team that will be more conservative in trying to run whatever clock they can.
I agreed the moment it happened and continue to feel LaFleur made the right call. Of course there is the risk you don’t see the ball again, but the same risk exists if it’s a 31-31, 31-29, or 31-23 game. Making it 31-26 puts you in a position to win the game in regulation.
In essence 3 things needed to happen. GB needed, in no particular order, a 2/3 point play, a TD, and a stop. Basically, kicking the FG served as the 2 point conversion, only it allowed them to play for the win instead of the tie.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Easy for me to say but at that point, I'm more inclined to trust Rodgers to make a play than a so-so defense to make a stop. Maybe analytics indicate otherwise but I think you just put the game in the hands of an all-time great player.
3 failed tries to get into the endzone. Now they have to do it twice in a row just to tie. Kicking the FG wasn't a bad idea. The D didn't hold up.
Agreed. The D had to step up and get the ball back. There was plenty of time and the Packers basically had four TOs with the two minute warning. And, if you recall, they committed the very smart offside penalty after the nine yard catch by Evans (on the first play after the kickoff) to give Tampa the automatic first down. Which kept the clock and situation still in Green Bay's favor...
Unfortunately, Kevin King, who made three enormous mistakes yesterday, committed the fatal one on third and seven with the interference call on Johnson. Johnson was running a flat route and would have NEVER caught the ball. But King couldn't do anything right. So the game ended with the defensive goat bailing out the GOAT.
in NFL history this year. 48 TD's in 60 trips. 7x they had 4th down inside the 10, 5x they went for it. This time they didn't. It was a bad call.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
You know who is getting a big mulligan in this situation? Rodgers is, he had an easy 6+ yards if not a TD if he took off running on the 3rd down play instead of forcing a pass into a crowd. 4th and 2 is a whole lot easier to go for it then 4th and 9
RE: RE: RE: The Packers had the best red zone offense
in NFL history this year. 48 TD's in 60 trips. 7x they had 4th down inside the 10, 5x they went for it. This time they didn't. It was a bad call.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
You know who is getting a big mulligan in this situation? Rodgers is, he had an easy 6+ yards if not a TD if he took off running on the 3rd down play instead of forcing a pass into a crowd. 4th and 2 is a whole lot easier to go for it then 4th and 9
I don't know if he's getting a mulligan - at least what I'm listening to - but that yardage would have certainly helped. He's a bit lucky, too, that third down pass wasn't picked off. That was a real force into tight coverage.
The killer on that series was the first down RPO where Rodgers faked the run, threw to Lazard, but Lazard never read the play and the ball just sailed by...
Even if they do not convert on 4th down, the Bucs would have to be very conservative with their backs to the goal. If I were Rodgers, I would be furious today. Terrible blunder.
in NFL history this year. 48 TD's in 60 trips. 7x they had 4th down inside the 10, 5x they went for it. This time they didn't. It was a bad call.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
Maybe so, but kicking the ball to TB and asking your D to stop them and THEN drive most of the field with little time left and no TO’s would be a lower conversion rate.
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Using that pick on Jordan Love instead of Patrick Queen or Clyde Edwards Helaire really paid dividends.
Drafting Rodgers in the first when you had the gunslinger Favre still playing at a high level rather then draft Heath Miller really paid dividends.
So you’re saying Love is Aaron Rodgers?
Yeah thats exactly what I said... not. I am saying you can't shit on the Packers for taking a QB that their coach and front office really liked.
You go on 4th down. Bowles is going all out blitz. One of Rodgers WR or TE will be open.
If not, 1st and ten at the 8 for Bucs. Much harder to get a 1st down from the 8 then the 20 or 25 yard line.
It's a tough winter knowing that the absolute worst decision was made by your coach..... statistically and stylistically the most unlikely path to win that gane is what he chose.
At 37 years of age, I'm not sure how AR can reconcile being Coached by him....I don't know how any player can accept that decision.
When the D is falling apart, they always have this deer in the headlight look. I think Coughlin (and hopefully Judge), could give better direction when the D wheels start coming off.
LaFleur can cram it up his cram hole
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to kick a FG in my opinion
From what yard line would you have kicked it?
Fourth and goal from the 20? The 30?
Kicking the FG was the obvious choice.
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
Expecting to get that stop was the problem. Granted, the D played well in the 2nd half, but taking the ball out of your best player's hands even though a FG still leaves you needing a TD to win.
To top that off, they decide to allow the KR to return the KO, and brought it back to near midfield. Worst case if you go for it on 4th down, you don't get it, you're still down one score, and you're giving Brady the ball on the 8.
Ask yourself, how would Belichick have handled this? This was a no-brainer, and LaFleur blew it. He's a good coach, but this wasn't his greatest moment.
Just sayin’
So worst case scenario he goes for it and doesn't get it, then they have to stop the Bucs and that's exactly what they had to do with the best case scenario of a field goal.
vs.
having to get a 3-and-out against Tom Brady
AND
then scoring a TD with under a minute left, having to go the length of the field and no timeouts
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It honestly may have been the worst coaching decision I've ever seen in a big spot.
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Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
So worst case scenario he goes for it and doesn't get it, then they have to stop the Bucs and that's exactly what they had to do with the best case scenario of a field goal.
Not certain whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing..:)
vs.
having to get a 3-and-out against Tom Brady
AND
then scoring a TD with under a minute left, having to go the length of the field and no timeouts
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It honestly may have been the worst coaching decision I've ever seen in a big spot.
Did you miss the Seahawks vs Pats SB? :p
Devils advocate here, but your comp is wrong. It's:
One play from 8 yard line AND 2 pt conversion AND having to get a stop against TB AND last second GW FG (or OT victory)
No matter what he choose on the 4th and 8, they needed to stop TB and the Bucs.
Suh and Barrett are right behind him. But only Suh had the best angle and he's probably not going to catch him.
There may a defender in the back of the right side of the endzone, but I think he's moving to the middle trailing a crossing receiver
But if Rodgers pump fakes to the middle, I do think he likely scores.
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One play from the 8 yard line with perhaps the best QB ever
vs.
having to get a 3-and-out against Tom Brady
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then scoring a TD with under a minute left, having to go the length of the field and no timeouts
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It honestly may have been the worst coaching decision I've ever seen in a big spot.
Did you miss the Seahawks vs Pats SB? :p
Devils advocate here, but your comp is wrong. It's:
One play from 8 yard line AND 2 pt conversion AND having to get a stop against TB AND last second GW FG (or OT victory)
No matter what he choose on the 4th and 8, they needed to stop TB and the Bucs.
That's why it was a dumb decision. Either way they'd need to stop TB. But if you kick a FG you still need to score a TD, but this time likely starting from your own 25 yard line (best case scenario).
But if you are trying to stop TB and they are starting at their own 8 yard line, you will get much better field position, and if something bad happens to TB you are set up beautifully.
Yup, massive choke.
Did you miss the Seahawks vs Pats SB? :p
Devils advocate here, but your comp is wrong. It's:
One play from 8 yard line AND 2 pt conversion AND having to get a stop against TB AND last second GW FG (or OT victory)
No matter what he choose on the 4th and 8, they needed to stop TB and the Bucs.
Fair point, but there's a difference between stopping them from scoring and stopping them from getting a 1st down.
he lost 300 grand
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He made a call that said the best player on the team, who is a top all time player, would not be able to get 2 yards. However, our defense will stop Brady and get the ball back
Even if they missed there were in the same situation on defense after the kickoff
Terrible
Under every circumstance - td, fg, or miss on 4th down, your team is going to be back on defense. So what position can you put them and your team in? You need to score 8 to tie and give yourself a chance to win.
With a td+2, the defense is on even footing and TB may play tight to avoid another turnover. Playing for OT starts to become a factor. Helps the defense. If you miss the two point conversion, you’re still on defense but now a fg can win the game.
Missing the fourth down attempt puts Bucs backs against the wall, and Bucs are probably running in an attempt to give space to the punter, bleed the clock, force GB to use their timeouts, and maybe they break one off if lucky. Defense needs to make a stop to get a chance to tie. Field position benefit to the defense. Still need to score a td+2.
Fg relieves pressure of field position and defense needs to make a stop to get a chance to win. Defense will only realize a benefit if special teams makes a big play, but you’re probably kicking the ball out of the back of the end zone to prevent a big return. Still need to score a td, but don’t have to go for 2pts.
In every circumstance, the defense needs to make a stop to prevent a loss, and your offense is going to need points on the ensuing drive. The field goal really didn’t do anything for them except remove a guaranteed opportunity to take a shot into the end zone from close range and give up field position. There is an argument to be made that if you need to make a stop and you need to make one more score, why not make it be for the win. I just don’t think it is very persuasive.
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And not handing the ball to Marshawn Lynch is still the worst call in the history of football, including our own sordid history of bad calls.
There is no way he makes it in. There were 3 defenders right on the goal line, and Rodgers doesn't have the foot speed to go 8 yards before they go 4. I do think that if he had run it, by getting closer to the goal line, he may have influenced LaFleur to go for it, but he would not have scored.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1353478571898015744
The 2 DB's were on the goal line, just to the right of the right hash. JPP was about 3 yds to Rodgers left as he threw the ball. No way he gets into the end zone. I saved a still of the shot, but don't recall where I can save it online to post here.
In the photo I saw, JPP was in full gallop and had an angle on Rodgers and there were two CBs on the goal line on top of the right hashmark (and a CB about 5 yards deep in the end zone only a few yards from the right sideline). I personally think Rodgers would have been buried around the 3 or 4 yard line, but what do I know.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1353478571898015744
Yeah, that's the video I saw, but those 2 DB's would have closed on him as soon as he crossed the LOS. I do think if he had run, he would have gotten close enough to influence LaFleur to go for it, but I don't think he would have made it. Maybe the Aaron Rodgers of 5-6 years ago.
Sure, but Rodgers also had a WR who forgot to look up for the ball on first down, had a DT on his back on 2nd down. As I said, I think running on 3rd would have gotten him close enough to force LaFleur's hand, but he saw a guy open briefly and tried to squeeze it in.
Definitely agree with that, had he run, he would have forced LaFleur's hand with a 4th & goal at the 2 0r 3.
I keep watching the clip and it’s a tough call ... I’d tend to trust Rodger’s instincts and feel, but it would’ve been close. Maybe if he got to the 2 or 3, LaFleur goes for it though.
Yeah maybe you’re right.
I've looked at that play multiple times now because to me it was pretty much changed the whole dynamic of the game. All the momentum and GB tightened up right there and then.
Actually wrote before I thought it was 3 or quarters, but it it was man single high. Just unbelievably sloppy and Pettine getting a pass here is perplexing. This is an Arians coached team, give him a shot he's taking it. Is it surprising an Arians football team ran 4 vertical routes? No of course not. They should have been playing man cover 2 in that spot. It's going to be a long fg on grass either way.
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And Tampa Bay at the 40 yard line was easily the worst call of the day
I've looked at that play multiple times now because to me it was pretty much changed the whole dynamic of the game. All the momentum and GB tightened up right there and then.
Actually wrote before I thought it was 3 or quarters, but it it was man single high. Just unbelievably sloppy and Pettine getting a pass here is perplexing. This is an Arians coached team, give him a shot he's taking it. Is it surprising an Arians football team ran 4 vertical routes? No of course not. They should have been playing man cover 2 in that spot. It's going to be a long fg on grass either way.
Agreed it was huge. But I’d say the Jones fumble — and subsequent injury — hurt the most. Jones is an incredible red zone weapon too, big hit to no have him on the field down the stretch.
But if they do score — and they have Rodgers and Adams from inside the 10, the two best TD producers in the sport this year — and don’t get the 2, they just need a FG to win if the D gets a stop.
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And Tampa Bay at the 40 yard line was easily the worst call of the day
I've looked at that play multiple times now because to me it was pretty much changed the whole dynamic of the game. All the momentum and GB tightened up right there and then.
Actually wrote before I thought it was 3 or quarters, but it it was man single high. Just unbelievably sloppy and Pettine getting a pass here is perplexing. This is an Arians coached team, give him a shot he's taking it. Is it surprising an Arians football team ran 4 vertical routes? No of course not. They should have been playing man cover 2 in that spot. It's going to be a long fg on grass either way.
It was a big mistake by coaches and King himself. And then it was only magnified at beginning of 3Q when Aaron Jones fumbled and the Bucs went right in fro another score.
The game went from 14-10 to 28-10 and Rodgers had a big uphill battle to fight.
I agreed the moment it happened and continue to feel LaFleur made the right call. Of course there is the risk you don’t see the ball again, but the same risk exists if it’s a 31-31, 31-29, or 31-23 game. Making it 31-26 puts you in a position to win the game in regulation.
In essence 3 things needed to happen. GB needed, in no particular order, a 2/3 point play, a TD, and a stop. Basically, kicking the FG served as the 2 point conversion, only it allowed them to play for the win instead of the tie.
Just sayin’
Easy for me to say but at that point, I'm more inclined to trust Rodgers to make a play than a so-so defense to make a stop. Maybe analytics indicate otherwise but I think you just put the game in the hands of an all-time great player.
Agreed. The D had to step up and get the ball back. There was plenty of time and the Packers basically had four TOs with the two minute warning. And, if you recall, they committed the very smart offside penalty after the nine yard catch by Evans (on the first play after the kickoff) to give Tampa the automatic first down. Which kept the clock and situation still in Green Bay's favor...
Unfortunately, Kevin King, who made three enormous mistakes yesterday, committed the fatal one on third and seven with the interference call on Johnson. Johnson was running a flat route and would have NEVER caught the ball. But King couldn't do anything right. So the game ended with the defensive goat bailing out the GOAT.
Great add. This goes to context that goes beyond the surface of the decision.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
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in NFL history this year. 48 TD's in 60 trips. 7x they had 4th down inside the 10, 5x they went for it. This time they didn't. It was a bad call.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
You know who is getting a big mulligan in this situation? Rodgers is, he had an easy 6+ yards if not a TD if he took off running on the 3rd down play instead of forcing a pass into a crowd. 4th and 2 is a whole lot easier to go for it then 4th and 9
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in NFL history this year. 48 TD's in 60 trips. 7x they had 4th down inside the 10, 5x they went for it. This time they didn't. It was a bad call.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
You know who is getting a big mulligan in this situation? Rodgers is, he had an easy 6+ yards if not a TD if he took off running on the 3rd down play instead of forcing a pass into a crowd. 4th and 2 is a whole lot easier to go for it then 4th and 9
I don't know if he's getting a mulligan - at least what I'm listening to - but that yardage would have certainly helped. He's a bit lucky, too, that third down pass wasn't picked off. That was a real force into tight coverage.
The killer on that series was the first down RPO where Rodgers faked the run, threw to Lazard, but Lazard never read the play and the ball just sailed by...
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in NFL history this year. 48 TD's in 60 trips. 7x they had 4th down inside the 10, 5x they went for it. This time they didn't. It was a bad call.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
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in NFL history this year. 48 TD's in 60 trips. 7x they had 4th down inside the 10, 5x they went for it. This time they didn't. It was a bad call.
4th and goal from the 9 has to have a very low conversion %, even with Rodgers at the helm.
Maybe so, but kicking the ball to TB and asking your D to stop them and THEN drive most of the field with little time left and no TO’s would be a lower conversion rate.