Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
and the 2 minute warning though only this time Fb would start inside the 10 and not the 20 which is a huge difference. 1 mistake and the game gets ugly for TB. Not likely, but it’s possible.
Probably has less than 20% success rate. Two point conversion less than 45%.
These facts versus holding Tampa for three downs.
I see the logic and no this will not end the head coaches career at 40.
The bigger question is how much longer do you give Rogers? I wonder how Love has progressed. Can put more of a team around him if he is the goods and still get comp for Rogers.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
Using that pick on Jordan Love instead of Patrick Queen or Clyde Edwards Helaire really paid dividends.
Drafting Rodgers in the first when you had the gunslinger Favre still playing at a high level rather then draft Heath Miller really paid dividends.
Completely different situations. If you listen to the Packers organization they didn't want to draft Rodgers and wanted him to go earlier but he kept dropping. SF was going to take Rodgers number 1 overall. They decided on Smith because he was like Montana with his accuracy.
Lets look at Love. They completely overdrafted him. Rodgers could have went 1st overall and Love was a second round pick where people fell in love with his measureables. He played at a lower level of competition, couldn't read defenses, and threw a ton of interceptions. People want Love to be like Rodgers for comparison sake but it simply isn't the same situation at all.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
And if you play the odds it is more likely Rodgers doesn't fail 4 times in a row.
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
And if you play the odds it is more likely Rodgers doesn't fail 4 times in a row.
Could be. Not sure what TC would have done, but when you get to the NFCC, there has to be some trust in your D.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
And if you play the odds it is more likely Rodgers doesn't fail 4 times in a row.
Could be. Not sure what TC would have done, but when you get to the NFCC, there has to be some trust in your D.
Your D needs a stop either way, correct? What you do is take one less opportunity away from your QB and have better field position of you fail.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
Completely disagree. So if they scored the TD but didn’t get the 2pt conversion they still only need a stop and now only need a FG with 3 timeouts and two minute warning still in hand. Worst case scenario is they don’t score the TD and TB gets the ball at the 8 yard line. The downside and risk of the worst case scenario was not near bad enough to kick the FG and hope and pray you get the ball back
Probably has less than 20% success rate. Two point conversion less than 45%.
These facts versus holding Tampa for three downs.
I see the logic and no this will not end the head coaches career at 40.
The bigger question is how much longer do you give Rogers? I wonder how Love has progressed. Can put more of a team around him if he is the goods and still get comp for Rogers.
thats whats over looked. the TD without the 2 your in the same situation as the field goal. And tj Defense made the stop Brady had a bad throw if there was no shirt grab Green Bay had a chance.
Im not sure it was the right call but it wasnt wtf call.
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
I dont know how anyone sees the strategy.
They needed a touchdown before, they needed a touchdown after. They still could have gotten a stop if the Packers went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. And up 8 the Bucs are going to be very conservative pinned deep in their own end.
And this is ALL assuming they DONT get the touchdown, which with Rodgers even on 4th and 8 you have a decent shot.
Field goal never should have been an option unless it was 4th and 25.
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
. Seemed like Rodgers could have run it into the end zone untouched. Weird decision going on 4th. Seems like they had more confidence in the defense then offfense.
It seems like Lafleur was kicking the FG unless it was at like the 1 in line. So, with that said, that definitely had to change is play calling. If he says we are going for it all 4 downs outside of a penalty that backs them up then maybe he has a better chance of punching it in.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
I dont know how anyone sees the strategy.
They needed a touchdown before, they needed a touchdown after. They still could have gotten a stop if the Packers went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. And up 8 the Bucs are going to be very conservative pinned deep in their own end.
And this is ALL assuming they DONT get the touchdown, which with Rodgers even on 4th and 8 you have a decent shot.
Field goal never should have been an option unless it was 4th and 25.
Again, I saw the strategy and didn't find it outrageous. So I'm sort of agnostic on the decision.
The Green Bay D had three timeouts and Tampa pinned at the 20+. You are at home and have to make the stop. It's that simple.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
I dont know how anyone sees the strategy.
They needed a touchdown before, they needed a touchdown after. They still could have gotten a stop if the Packers went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. And up 8 the Bucs are going to be very conservative pinned deep in their own end.
And this is ALL assuming they DONT get the touchdown, which with Rodgers even on 4th and 8 you have a decent shot.
Field goal never should have been an option unless it was 4th and 25.
Again, I saw the strategy and didn't find it outrageous. So I'm sort of agnostic on the decision.
The Green Bay D had three timeouts and Tampa pinned at the 20+. You are at home and have to make the stop. It's that simple.
But you could go for it and not get it and rely on your defense to get you the ball back, and the Bucs absolutely are going to be a lot more conservative up 8 than up 5 and pinned in their own end.
On top of that, you give your MVP a chance to tie the game on 4th and 8 and not take the ball out of his hands.
Everything pointed to going for it. Common sense, metrics, everything.
It's scary that kicking it was even an option.
I thought Rodgers had enough room to run on the 3rd down
Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
If Rodgers had run it on that 3rd down with no one in front of him it would have been at the worse a 4th and 2 to go for a TD instead of 8 to go. That would have changed the whole course of that series
Don’t see it from a different view. Take the points and tell your D to make a stop. You have momentum and pressure on TB.
Get the ball back to your HOF QB with about 1:45 to go. He has maybe 8-10 plays to win and the opportunity to connect on a big play. Defense has to protect a much bigger field
4th and 8 to score is tough. No threat to run or play action. Difficult down.
Allows GB to win with a TD if they get the ball back. The issue is, with Brady it is unlikely they get the ball back.
Look, they had a great chance at a stop on third and seven. Right. So the table was set.
Unfortunately, Kevin King made another dumb play and the game continued. Otherwise, Green Bay gets the ball back.
Analytics can't account for the dumb variable.
Analytics may not but it’s a coaches job to account for any potential “dumb variable”. This is an offensive league. You know that. The coach should know that. We’ve seen time and time and time again an offense get bailed out by an untimely defensive holding or PI call. The decision needs to take that into account. It’s not as easy as just telling your defense to go make a stop. The deck is stacked against them.
RE: To win the game, the Packers needed two scores.
they should have been in the hurry up the entire drive. you MUST leave yourself enough time to get a FG in the event you don't get the 2 point conversion
he clearly didn't do that. the thinking everyone presumed then was ok this guy wants to score and go for 2 and not leave the bucs any time to go win the game
then this fucking idiot kicked the FG. every player on that team should revolt and demand he be fired.
Mike Pettine calling man coverage with 6 seconds left in the 1st half
Are you an idiot? 8 points is a one score game. Needing a two point conversion DOES NOT make it a two score game. Do you count an extra point try as needing an extra score? Wtf is wrong with you? Since when does anyone consider an 8 point game a two score game?
The probabilities behind this decision are not easy to calculate. It would take us hours to calculate them and there would be judgment calls involved. Maybe LaFleur was wrong but to label it a “dumb” decision is just too critical.
Analytics may not but it’s a coaches job to account for any potential “dumb variable”. This is an offensive league. You know that. The coach should know that. We’ve seen time and time and time again an offense get bailed out by an untimely defensive holding or PI call. The decision needs to take that into account. It’s not as easy as just telling your defense to go make a stop. The deck is stacked against them.
The Green Bay D did hold the Bucs to one TD only and three Brady INTs in the second half. So they were getting stops. Right?
So asking for another stop - again, the did have third and seven - wasn't at all unreasonable at that point. IMV.
The probabilities behind this decision are not easy to calculate. It would take us hours to calculate them and there would be judgment calls involved. Maybe LaFleur was wrong but to label it a “dumb” decision is just too critical.
but he blew that call. You’re down one score, and by kicking a FG, you’re asking your D to hold Brady w/o a 1st down. Here’s the thing, if you go for it and don’t make it, you still need a TD, but TB takes the ball at the 8.
Put the game in the hands of your best player, don’t expect your slightly above average D to make a stop against an all time great QB.
I will say, the offense let them down in my opinion. Couple chances there with Brady on the ropes and they did zip.
He'll be fired in 2 years. Two years too late.
Just sayin’
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
Drafting Rodgers in the first when you had the gunslinger Favre still playing at a high level rather then draft Heath Miller really paid dividends.
These facts versus holding Tampa for three downs.
I see the logic and no this will not end the head coaches career at 40.
The bigger question is how much longer do you give Rogers? I wonder how Love has progressed. Can put more of a team around him if he is the goods and still get comp for Rogers.
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Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
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Using that pick on Jordan Love instead of Patrick Queen or Clyde Edwards Helaire really paid dividends.
Drafting Rodgers in the first when you had the gunslinger Favre still playing at a high level rather then draft Heath Miller really paid dividends.
Completely different situations. If you listen to the Packers organization they didn't want to draft Rodgers and wanted him to go earlier but he kept dropping. SF was going to take Rodgers number 1 overall. They decided on Smith because he was like Montana with his accuracy.
Lets look at Love. They completely overdrafted him. Rodgers could have went 1st overall and Love was a second round pick where people fell in love with his measureables. He played at a lower level of competition, couldn't read defenses, and threw a ton of interceptions. People want Love to be like Rodgers for comparison sake but it simply isn't the same situation at all.
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Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
And if you play the odds it is more likely Rodgers doesn't fail 4 times in a row.
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Using that pick on Jordan Love instead of Patrick Queen or Clyde Edwards Helaire really paid dividends.
Drafting Rodgers in the first when you had the gunslinger Favre still playing at a high level rather then draft Heath Miller really paid dividends.
So you’re saying Love is Aaron Rodgers?
From what yard line would you have kicked it?
Fourth and goal from the 20? The 30?
Kicking the FG was the obvious choice.
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
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Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
And if you play the odds it is more likely Rodgers doesn't fail 4 times in a row.
Could be. Not sure what TC would have done, but when you get to the NFCC, there has to be some trust in your D.
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Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
The NFL MVP had 3 straight incompletions from the 8. No guarantee that he’ll throw the TD. And even if they don’t kick the FG and they get the ball back, there’s far from a guarantee that they get the 2 point conversion to tie. So it can be argued with a FG and 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning in your pocket, you still have a chance to score where a TD takes the lead. GB may not have a stellar D, but it has been good enough TO HELP get the Packers to where they got to. It wasn’t ONLY Rodgers, as great as he is during the regular season
And if you play the odds it is more likely Rodgers doesn't fail 4 times in a row.
Could be. Not sure what TC would have done, but when you get to the NFCC, there has to be some trust in your D.
Your D needs a stop either way, correct? What you do is take one less opportunity away from your QB and have better field position of you fail.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
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to kick a FG in my opinion
From what yard line would you have kicked it?
Fourth and goal from the 20? The 30?
Kicking the FG was the obvious choice.
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
Completely disagree. So if they scored the TD but didn’t get the 2pt conversion they still only need a stop and now only need a FG with 3 timeouts and two minute warning still in hand. Worst case scenario is they don’t score the TD and TB gets the ball at the 8 yard line. The downside and risk of the worst case scenario was not near bad enough to kick the FG and hope and pray you get the ball back
These facts versus holding Tampa for three downs.
I see the logic and no this will not end the head coaches career at 40.
The bigger question is how much longer do you give Rogers? I wonder how Love has progressed. Can put more of a team around him if he is the goods and still get comp for Rogers.
thats whats over looked. the TD without the 2 your in the same situation as the field goal. And tj Defense made the stop Brady had a bad throw if there was no shirt grab Green Bay had a chance.
Im not sure it was the right call but it wasnt wtf call.
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to kick a FG in my opinion
From what yard line would you have kicked it?
Fourth and goal from the 20? The 30?
Kicking the FG was the obvious choice.
People are missing that not only did you need to make the fourth and goal. You ALSO had to make the two point conversion. You ALSO had to survive Brady not getting into FG range with his last possession before halftime. And IF all that succeeded, you are at 50/50 in OT.
Kick the FG and you are a stop away from having the ball in hand to win the game.
Wrong.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
I dont know how anyone sees the strategy.
They needed a touchdown before, they needed a touchdown after. They still could have gotten a stop if the Packers went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. And up 8 the Bucs are going to be very conservative pinned deep in their own end.
And this is ALL assuming they DONT get the touchdown, which with Rodgers even on 4th and 8 you have a decent shot.
Field goal never should have been an option unless it was 4th and 25.
Just sayin’
He decreased his chances to win the game by 3% kicking the field goal there instead of going for it.
There isn't an argument to be made for kicking it besides being a contrarian. It was a terrible call in every way.
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opportunities today and couldn't capitalize.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
I dont know how anyone sees the strategy.
They needed a touchdown before, they needed a touchdown after. They still could have gotten a stop if the Packers went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. And up 8 the Bucs are going to be very conservative pinned deep in their own end.
And this is ALL assuming they DONT get the touchdown, which with Rodgers even on 4th and 8 you have a decent shot.
Field goal never should have been an option unless it was 4th and 25.
Again, I saw the strategy and didn't find it outrageous. So I'm sort of agnostic on the decision.
The Green Bay D had three timeouts and Tampa pinned at the 20+. You are at home and have to make the stop. It's that simple.
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opportunities today and couldn't capitalize.
LaFleur called a poor game in the 4th quarter, especially on that first and goal from the 8.
But I saw the strategy with the FG. It wasn't crazy. The Green Bay D - "led" by Kevin King - couldn't do their job to get the ball back. And they had their chances for sure...
I dont know how anyone sees the strategy.
They needed a touchdown before, they needed a touchdown after. They still could have gotten a stop if the Packers went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. And up 8 the Bucs are going to be very conservative pinned deep in their own end.
And this is ALL assuming they DONT get the touchdown, which with Rodgers even on 4th and 8 you have a decent shot.
Field goal never should have been an option unless it was 4th and 25.
Again, I saw the strategy and didn't find it outrageous. So I'm sort of agnostic on the decision.
The Green Bay D had three timeouts and Tampa pinned at the 20+. You are at home and have to make the stop. It's that simple.
But you could go for it and not get it and rely on your defense to get you the ball back, and the Bucs absolutely are going to be a lot more conservative up 8 than up 5 and pinned in their own end.
On top of that, you give your MVP a chance to tie the game on 4th and 8 and not take the ball out of his hands.
Everything pointed to going for it. Common sense, metrics, everything.
It's scary that kicking it was even an option.
Look, they had a great chance at a stop on third and seven. Right. So the table was set.
Unfortunately, Kevin King made another dumb play and the game continued. Otherwise, Green Bay gets the ball back.
Analytics can't account for the dumb variable.
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Rodgers has a first and goal at the TB 8. Rodgers has 3 straight incompletions. Now it’s 4th and 8 with zero guarantee he’ll toss the TD. So he settles for a FG with 3 TOs and the two-minute warning to play with.
Just sayin’
Lets play. You would rather choose the FG, worse field position after the kickoff, take the ball out of the NFL MVP's hands, and asking your D to basically stop TB from getting 1 first down
Or
Give your NFL MVP one more shot and worst case scenario it is still a one score game with the ball at the 8 yard line.
I choose my QB in this situation over my D.
If Rodgers had run it on that 3rd down with no one in front of him it would have been at the worse a 4th and 2 to go for a TD instead of 8 to go. That would have changed the whole course of that series
Even if you didn’t agree with LaFleur’s decision, describing it as the end of his GB career is loony.
Get the ball back to your HOF QB with about 1:45 to go. He has maybe 8-10 plays to win and the opportunity to connect on a big play. Defense has to protect a much bigger field
4th and 8 to score is tough. No threat to run or play action. Difficult down.
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Allows GB to win with a TD if they get the ball back. The issue is, with Brady it is unlikely they get the ball back.
Look, they had a great chance at a stop on third and seven. Right. So the table was set.
Unfortunately, Kevin King made another dumb play and the game continued. Otherwise, Green Bay gets the ball back.
Analytics can't account for the dumb variable.
Analytics may not but it’s a coaches job to account for any potential “dumb variable”. This is an offensive league. You know that. The coach should know that. We’ve seen time and time and time again an offense get bailed out by an untimely defensive holding or PI call. The decision needs to take that into account. It’s not as easy as just telling your defense to go make a stop. The deck is stacked against them.
Even if you didn’t agree with LaFleur’s decision, describing it as the end of his GB career is loony.
No they did not need two scores. They needed a TD. And after kicking the FG they still needed a TD
he clearly didn't do that. the thinking everyone presumed then was ok this guy wants to score and go for 2 and not leave the bucs any time to go win the game
then this fucking idiot kicked the FG. every player on that team should revolt and demand he be fired.
One being in overtime, when someone HAD to score. So this is a silly argument.
Are you an idiot? 8 points is a one score game. Needing a two point conversion DOES NOT make it a two score game. Do you count an extra point try as needing an extra score? Wtf is wrong with you? Since when does anyone consider an 8 point game a two score game?
I’m the one that needs to put down the beer?
They needed 1 score to get it to overtime. Silly argument. Someone would have to score in overtime.
The probabilities behind this decision are not easy to calculate. It would take us hours to calculate them and there would be judgment calls involved. Maybe LaFleur was wrong but to label it a “dumb” decision is just too critical.
Analytics may not but it’s a coaches job to account for any potential “dumb variable”. This is an offensive league. You know that. The coach should know that. We’ve seen time and time and time again an offense get bailed out by an untimely defensive holding or PI call. The decision needs to take that into account. It’s not as easy as just telling your defense to go make a stop. The deck is stacked against them.
The Green Bay D did hold the Bucs to one TD only and three Brady INTs in the second half. So they were getting stops. Right?
So asking for another stop - again, the did have third and seven - wasn't at all unreasonable at that point. IMV.
The probabilities behind this decision are not easy to calculate. It would take us hours to calculate them and there would be judgment calls involved. Maybe LaFleur was wrong but to label it a “dumb” decision is just too critical.
no pretty sure it was dumb
Put the game in the hands of your best player, don’t expect your slightly above average D to make a stop against an all time great QB.