Well, what do you think, choke artist or not in the big games?
The one Super Bowl Rodgers won he had Clay Mathews in his prime.
Rodgers ain't no Eli Manning.
Brady is the GOAT and Eli beat him twice while Brady was in his prime.
Eli the GOAT killer. The Silent Assasin.
No way of quantifying this, but personally I've always though t QB play is responsible for about 20 percent of what it takes to win and lose. I think the percentage of the salary cap the top guys make reflects that. It's obviously the most important spot on the field, but everything is so reliant on everything that goes on around you that it drives me nuts that everything always gets attributed to the QB. Brady is still a top 12ish QB, but the Bucs are a better team and playing their best football right now. Is Rodgers supposed to play defense too? The two biggest plays of the game had nothing to do with Rodgers, the play before half, and the fumble coming out of the half.
It's seriously driving me nuts here that Brady is getting all this credit for what is going on around him. I live here and its unbearable and has been since they signed him. But lots of QBs are doing what he's doing with this team. Their biggest issue last year was Jameis decision making. Arians wanted to literally strangle him on a weekly basis, never seen a coach so fed up with a QB before.
This Bucs team is stacked, monster front 7, great line, great skill players. Glad the world is getting aquaninted with Scotty Miller, he's one of the best-unheralded guys in the game. Of course lots of decisions to make this offseason and they are going to have key guys they need to let walk. Shaq Barret is one guy I think we should be looking at, type of edge that has a game that ages very well. Very headsy player as well.
Simple, and not a knock, very few special QB's have.
Just facts. Maybe next year is Rodgers' year.
Rodgers is an amazing QB and a first ballot lock. His regular season passing statistics are insanely good when you look at comp %, td%, int %, TD/Int ratio, YPA, YPC, QB rating.
Guess what? His playoff passing statistics basically mirror his regular seasons numbers. And he has started 20 playoff games so there is plenty of data to make the comparison meaningful.
Is it just possible, Rodgers is demonstrating what he needs to in order to get his squad more titles, but the rest of his squads are having a hard time demonstrating they can keep up?
I think yesterday might have been an example.
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First ballot lock,but what is so complex about this? He just has not demonstrated he can QB his squad to two titles.
Simple, and not a knock, very few special QB's have.
Just facts. Maybe next year is Rodgers' year.
Rodgers is an amazing QB and a first ballot lock. His regular season passing statistics are insanely good when you look at comp %, td%, int %, TD/Int ratio, YPA, YPC, QB rating.
Guess what? His playoff passing statistics basically mirror his regular seasons numbers. And he has started 20 playoff games so there is plenty of data to make the comparison meaningful.
Is it just possible, Rodgers is demonstrating what he needs to in order to get his squad more titles, but the rest of his squads are having a hard time demonstrating they can keep up?
I think yesterday might have been an example.
Decided to log in as Googs today, instead of LBH15? Or going to go back and forth?
Rodgers and the offense didnt capitalize off any of it. That's on him. Granted the line was missing Bakhtiari, but they still had excellent lineman in there. Tampa did well on the rush and Green Bay didn't make the proper adjustments. The miss by Rodgers/Adams late was so big. It resulted in the ensuing FG which has been talked about ad-nausuem.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
Let's not act like he's earned a benefit of the doubt, let alone a billionth of the credit that Rodgers has earned.
When Jones plays like Rodgers he'll be treated like Rodgers.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
This isn't about Jones. It is about the narrative of what Elite QB's are or aren't, that has been beaten to death on this site for over a decade.
That's fine if you want to lay that amount of blame on QB play. Just do it consistently and admit Rodgers had his chances yesterday and blew it. Admit that Rodgers, for whatever reason, is 1-4 in Championship games and can't seem to get over the hump. If that's what you would do to other QB's, then why should Rodgers get a pass?
Just make sure the same rules are applied to everybody.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
Well, easy does it there. Clearly he would be blamed by some, although that would be a flawed view and likely not too widespread. Much like the above flawed hypothetical thinking.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
This isn't about Jones. It is about the narrative of what Elite QB's are or aren't, that has been beaten to death on this site for over a decade.
That's fine if you want to lay that amount of blame on QB play. Just do it consistently and admit Rodgers had his chances yesterday and blew it. Admit that Rodgers, for whatever reason, is 1-4 in Championship games and can't seem to get over the hump. If that's what you would do to other QB's, then why should Rodgers get a pass?
Just make sure the same rules are applied to everybody.
The same rules are applied for everybody. No one's been treated unfairly - certainly not any Giant QBs.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
Well, easy does it there. Clearly he would be blamed by some, although that would be a flawed view and likely not too widespread. Much like the above flawed hypothetical thinking.
Well sure, there are always outliers. There are always going to be people as antagonistic as Saquons26 on here putting forth arguments like that. But would a credible consensus form? I really doubt it.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
This handle is all I have and need. Think about who you argue with a lot though, its probably a good many...
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One handle does the drive by, while the more recently reinstated handle is a little more even keeled in the approach. This could work well for you.
This handle is all I have and need. Think about who you argue with a lot though, its probably a good many...
It's typically the same five people. Six if you count your other handle.
Ha! Probably fair but keep a tally nonetheless...
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One handle does the drive by, while the more recently reinstated handle is a little more even keeled in the approach. This could work well for you.
This handle is all I have and need. Think about who you argue with a lot though, its probably a good many...
Ha! Your only handle, that’s funny. The dance you’ll be doing between LBH15 and Jimmy Googs will keep me entertained this off-season. I appreciate the effort.
29 years and counting.
5 League MVP's between them and countless other regular season awards.
At the end of the day, only 2 Championships.
Getting to, and winning, Superbowls is hard.
29 years and counting.
5 League MVP's between them and countless other regular season awards.
At the end of the day, only 2 Championships.
Getting to, and winning, Superbowls is hard.
Especially since Tom Brady has been in the league.
Come on, I gave you that softball to hit out the park with Eli.
He finished 29/34 for 267 yards and 1 TD. Amazing accuracy, but all 5 of his incompletions came on Cal's final two drives.
On what would be their last drive, down 6, Rodgers drove to the USC 9 yard line. The last four Cal plays were a sack and 3 incompletions.
It was a stunning ending for a QB who was actually unstoppable for almost the whole game.
I'm BubbaMojo. Duh.
I was around for your first go around when you only had one handle. It's pretty clear, at least initially, your plan is use LBH15 as your drive by, negative comment content (similar to the first time around when you were just Jimmy Googs).
It looks like you are going to use your Jimmy Googs handle as more of a softer, gentler poster.
Clear as day. Nobody is going to buy it.
Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
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I'm BubbaMojo. Duh.
I think this above says it all...
And as mentioned, don't recall you as shocking as that may be.
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I'm BubbaMojo. Duh.
I think this above says it all...
And as mentioned, don't recall you as shocking as that may be.
sure thing, boss. see you around. Looking forward to you doing the dance between two handles.
Nothing strange about that!!
Maybe the old phrase needs to be re-worded. "Googs being LBH15 and LBH15 being Googs!!"
Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
You need the whole shebang, good QB play, good team, and good coaching. You can't not have all 3 and win a SB. Doesn't mean you need elite QB play, just solid consistent play. Shit Brady wasn't very good yesterday and they still won because the team was much better than the Pack and they got outcoached. If I'm LaFleur I'm firing Pettine and finding another guy.
You left out Scotty Miller, guy is one of the best players in the game that no one ever talks about. When Brown was in there, that was probably the most talented full WR core in history of the game.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
They're definitely at that point, yeah. They're 30-7 and averaging 30+ points per game with him as their starter, so they hit a home run. I think they are in good shape whether they decide to pay him or trade him (assuming he brings in the haul you'd expect from a young QB with his accomplishments).
I'm not concerned about his health...he's missed almost no action going back to his time at Louisville, all while running the ball a ton. If they do opt to pay him, I think they should prioritize similar players at backup QB and consider spelling him more in blowouts or against weaker competition.
Also if they pay him they may want to bring in a passing game coordinator, or someone that can help Roman with designing the passing game to tailor it to Jackson's strengths.
They've got work to do, but a baseline of 30 PPG and 6 yards per play is a nice place to start. They don't need to tear it down. Just tweak it.
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I think the Ravens have a LOT of thinking to do about Lamar Jackson, wouldn't you agree? The window of his rookie contract is closing, and once they pay him that $40 million per, the team around him only gets worse.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
They're definitely at that point, yeah. They're 30-7 and averaging 30+ points per game with him as their starter, so they hit a home run. I think they are in good shape whether they decide to pay him or trade him (assuming he brings in the haul you'd expect from a young QB with his accomplishments).
I'm not concerned about his health...he's missed almost no action going back to his time at Louisville, all while running the ball a ton. If they do opt to pay him, I think they should prioritize similar players at backup QB and consider spelling him more in blowouts or against weaker competition.
Also if they pay him they may want to bring in a passing game coordinator, or someone that can help Roman with designing the passing game to tailor it to Jackson's strengths.
They've got work to do, but a baseline of 30 PPG and 6 yards per play is a nice place to start. They don't need to tear it down. Just tweak it.
Yea there is no decision to make in Baltimore. Jackson will get a mint and he should. Worry about the AFC title games when you get there. Jackson ain't going anywhere.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
If we're circling this back to the Giants, offensively they are miles away from what we saw yesterday. They are not explosive and they are not good in the red zone.
Still a long, long way to go.
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Weird is an understatement...
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I think the Ravens have a LOT of thinking to do about Lamar Jackson, wouldn't you agree? The window of his rookie contract is closing, and once they pay him that $40 million per, the team around him only gets worse.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
They're definitely at that point, yeah. They're 30-7 and averaging 30+ points per game with him as their starter, so they hit a home run. I think they are in good shape whether they decide to pay him or trade him (assuming he brings in the haul you'd expect from a young QB with his accomplishments).
I'm not concerned about his health...he's missed almost no action going back to his time at Louisville, all while running the ball a ton. If they do opt to pay him, I think they should prioritize similar players at backup QB and consider spelling him more in blowouts or against weaker competition.
Also if they pay him they may want to bring in a passing game coordinator, or someone that can help Roman with designing the passing game to tailor it to Jackson's strengths.
They've got work to do, but a baseline of 30 PPG and 6 yards per play is a nice place to start. They don't need to tear it down. Just tweak it.
Yea there is no decision to make in Baltimore. Jackson will get a mint and he should. Worry about the AFC title games when you get there. Jackson ain't going anywhere.
It is quite possible Mr. Jackson develops his passing game to where he can be a guy to take it to the next level. I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it but his productivity in running the offense is off the charts and maybe it works. Albeit his passing is something playoff DCs seem to have a handle on.
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Weird is an understatement...
I can admit I'm weird.
Can you admit you have 2 (or more) handles? I'm guessing not. Dance continues.
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Which one is Ray Finkle and which is Lois Einhorn?
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Which one is Ray Finkle and which is Lois Einhorn?
I think that is still TBD! Might take some time for the dupes to define that.
Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
You are likely right. The Bucs are the better overall team than the Packers. While they were able to solve for it against the Rams, the loss of Bahktiari reared its head in protection and in the run game especially.
Here is where I am on yesterday. Rodgers just didn't have enough ammo to overcome the massive mistakes of King and Jones. I thought he could, but it just wasn't meant to be...
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Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
You are likely right. The Bucs are the better overall team than the Packers. While they were able to solve for it against the Rams, the loss of Bahktiari reared its head in protection and in the run game especially.
Here is where I am on yesterday. Rodgers just didn't have enough ammo to overcome the massive mistakes of King and Jones. I thought he could, but it just wasn't meant to be...
Which is why Rodgers is likely pissed that they spent 2 high draft picks on Jordan Love and a 3rd String RB who rarely plays (A.J. Dillon) and when they do run they never really commit to it. A starting caliber WR2 would have helped a lot more than the 3-headed monster of alligator arms that are MVS, Lazard, and St. Brown.
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At the extremes, you have QB performances that are so exceptional, they play a huge role in winning the game, and likewise on the other end, performances that are so bad they cost his team the game. In the middle, you have the majority of performances where the play could have been better or worse, and may have pushed the scales in one direction or the other to a degree, but the story of the game was largely a team effort. Yesterday Rodgers outplayed Brady. He had a better game under more challenging situations. But collectively, Tampa outplayed Green Bay.
No way of quantifying this, but personally I've always though t QB play is responsible for about 20 percent of what it takes to win and lose. I think the percentage of the salary cap the top guys make reflects that. It's obviously the most important spot on the field, but everything is so reliant on everything that goes on around you that it drives me nuts that everything always gets attributed to the QB. Brady is still a top 12ish QB, but the Bucs are a better team and playing their best football right now. Is Rodgers supposed to play defense too? The two biggest plays of the game had nothing to do with Rodgers, the play before half, and the fumble coming out of the half.
It's seriously driving me nuts here that Brady is getting all this credit for what is going on around him. I live here and its unbearable and has been since they signed him. But lots of QBs are doing what he's doing with this team. Their biggest issue last year was Jameis decision making. Arians wanted to literally strangle him on a weekly basis, never seen a coach so fed up with a QB before.
This Bucs team is stacked, monster front 7, great line, great skill players. Glad the world is getting aquaninted with Scotty Miller, he's one of the best-unheralded guys in the game. Of course lots of decisions to make this offseason and they are going to have key guys they need to let walk. Shaq Barret is one guy I think we should be looking at, type of edge that has a game that ages very well. Very headsy player as well.
I think teams are looking more closely at how hard it is to win when you give that huge second and third contract.
Then I guess they are on track as it looks like there might be a vacancy opening up at quarterback in Green Bay.
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But he has no where near the leadership or passion as guys like Brady or Peyton.
412/89
45/13 (playoffs)