Well, what do you think, choke artist or not in the big games?
The one Super Bowl Rodgers won he had Clay Mathews in his prime.
Rodgers ain't no Eli Manning.
Brady is the GOAT and Eli beat him twice while Brady was in his prime.
Eli the GOAT killer. The Silent Assasin.
Obviously, it is a difficult thread for you to comprehend.
It's ok put your big boy pants on take off the dunce hat and put your thinking cap on. Maybe you can rise to the moment.
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I will give it some thought. In the meanwhile think about deleting it.
Obviously, it is a difficult thread for you to comprehend.
It's ok put your big boy pants on take off the dunce hat and put your thinking cap on. Maybe you can rise to the moment.
Is this like a Deep Thought by Jack Handy?
Go with the delete. It’s your best option.
We should change the name of the board to Belichick and Rodgers Fans Interactive.
Definitely. As great as Rodgers has been, his postseason record will be a black mark.
Also threw 3 TD's and won the game with leadership. Some of you simply can't get it.
SCOREBOARD.
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But his team also played better all around, especially JPP & Barrett.
Also threw 3 TD's and won the game with leadership. Some of you simply can't get it.
SCOREBOARD.
Leadership is why Aaron Jones kept fumbling the ball?
Regular season, most likely top 5 of all time. Playoffs? Give me Eli any day..:)
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I will give it some thought. In the meanwhile think about deleting it.
Obviously, it is a difficult thread for you to comprehend.
It's ok put your big boy pants on take off the dunce hat and put your thinking cap on. Maybe you can rise to the moment.
Is this like a Deep Thought by Jack Handy?
Go with the delete. It’s your best option.
Well, I'd love to delete your posts but that's the moderator's job.
If you don't like the thread, be a gentleman move on.
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not in January
Maybe not a choke job but 1-4 in conference championship games is on him.
So did Alexander who had two pics, but he’d get nowhere the near love if they won. Rodgers had a chance to run it in to come within a 2 pt conversion to tie it.
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Kevin King played corner today. Not Rodgers.
So did Alexander who had two pics, but he’d get nowhere the near love if they won. Rodgers had a chance to run it in to come within a 2 pt conversion to tie it.
Or the St Brown simply makes the catch.
I mean, that takes a special QB, a winner elevated to rarefied air, it is not a knock on Rodgers that he has not reached this level of accomplishment.
Good luck next year Rodgers, I am sure the excuse machine is already in full gear.
Now the pendulum has swung back to Rodgers because he doesn't also play corner for the Packers. Strange.
He's a great player regardless if he never wins another SB.
Yeah I know what coulda shoulda but that's the reality. Rogers may be "lucky/fortunate" in getting one ring. Rant off.
Sure, the lack of hardware will keep Rodgers out of the GOAT convo but there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s the best QB I’ve seen play the last 10/15 years with Mahomes possibly next if he can stay moderately healthy.
Yeah I know what coulda shoulda but that's the reality. Rogers may be "lucky/fortunate" in getting one ring. Rant off.
That’s ludicrous. I’d say he’s been incredibly unlucky when it comes to the playoffs. Poor coaching decisions (I mean is this even arguable after today + what we’ve seen out of McCarthy?), big time injuries at the worst times, bad defenses, etc. it takes a lot for the stars to align but to call his 1 ring a fluke is super lame and IMO way off base.
His post season numbers are absurd, there’s simply a lot of bad luck in that mix whether you want to admit it or not.
I am totally convinced those three are as good as any QB that has ever walked this planet.
And if you put a gun to my head and said I needed any QB to win a game for me, I'm taking either Montana or Elway. Not Brady.
Aaron Rodgers is an incredible player.
I mean, that takes a special QB, a winner elevated to rarefied air, it is not a knock on Rodgers that he has not reached this level of accomplishment.
Good luck next year Rodgers, I am sure the excuse machine is already in full gear.
Boom! Eli may not have those incredible td to int numbers, but those two playoff runs are all I need! All thise stats look great but 1 SB ring is a downer! As a reformed Braves fan, 13 divisin titles with only 1 WS sucks! I happy for the one WS but that’s a lot of losing when it mattered. 1-4 in the NFC Championship game when you have an alltime great QB has to suck as well for GB fans.
That would be crazy.
QB market just got insane.
I think that's just his passive aggressive moping about them selecting Love in the draft. LaFleur said he's the MVP and the leader of the team.
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He definitely sounded uncertain about his future.
I think that's just his passive aggressive moping about them selecting Love in the draft. LaFleur said he's the MVP and the leader of the team.
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He definitely sounded uncertain about his future.
I think that's just his passive aggressive moping about them selecting Love in the draft. LaFleur said he's the MVP and the leader of the team.
Love was selected almost a year ago. Rodgers likely wants out for a myriad of reasons and I don’t blame him.
Is he under contract for next year?
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He definitely sounded uncertain about his future.
I think that's just his passive aggressive moping about them selecting Love in the draft. LaFleur said he's the MVP and the leader of the team.
Love was selected almost a year ago. Rodgers likely wants out for a myriad of reasons and I don’t blame him.
That's the feeling I have too.
I think Rodgers has had his fill of Green Bay.
Hey Aaron, we have Bradberry!
Rodgers will get his ass licked by management this offseason to his satisfaction and play next season for the Packers.
Nothing, QB isn't our problem
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
Is that in reference to me?
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
It's Denny in Denville talking. Can safely ignore him.
I am totally convinced those three are as good as any QB that has ever walked this planet.
And if you put a gun to my head and said I needed any QB to win a game for me, I'm taking either Montana or Elway. Not Brady.
If you are going that bullshit route, then include Johnny Unitas.
But the best QB of all time is Tom Brady. And yes I even saw Johnny U play. No doubt Montana probably surpassed Unitas as the GOAT in the 90's.
But having seen them all, Brady is the best. I do not even put Elway in that group.
For those shitting on Rodgers, JPP, Shaq and that dline was on him all day. Yes he probably could have gotten into the EZ on that 3rd down. Todd Bowles probably had his best ever game plan and it worked. In all honesty since the Giants almost beat the Bucs their defense has gotten better, much better.
It won't work against Mahomes because he will run before the pocket collapses.
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
The opposite is also true on BBI.
His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
I mean, that takes a special QB, a winner elevated to rarefied air, it is not a knock on Rodgers that he has not reached this level of accomplishment.
Good luck next year Rodgers, I am sure the excuse machine is already in full gear.
I agree with this. Ha ha. Maybe next year, Golden Boy.
Taking the simplified view of things is easy. Watching the games and seeing what determines Ws and Ls is not that difficult. A guy makes a clutch catch despite getting slammed on a critical 3rd down play, a linemen getting his hand on ball deflecting a pass in critical situation, defense making a much needed stop, a key penalty in critical juncture, etc etc etc. This is what wins in the NFL, especially come playoffs. In the game yesterday, the margin for error for Rodgers vs Brady was not even comparable. In terms of pass protection, what the defense did, what plays were made by skills position players, etc. Essentially, what the QB was required to do to win the game. Brady won, Rodgers lost. But undeniably, Brady had A LOT more help.
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His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
He’s the QB so it’s on him, but you can dissect each play and assign blame. The OL was getting owned and Lazard didn’t know to look for the pass on first down. Rodgers had 2 chances to take off and run and didn’t, not sure the reason.
But when you are down your all pro LT and lose your dynamic RB in the 1st quarter, coupled with the clusterfuck of the secondary, it’s really hard for me to pin it on the QB.
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His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
He outplayed Brady yesterday, but it's a team game. A number of Packers played dumb games yesterday and it cost them, Rodgers wasn't one of them.
Fact is it’s hard, you need a lot to break right in your favor. Some of it is earned some isn’t, that’s sports.
Green Bay like the Steelers have been very good at drafting going back decades. It started with Ron Wolf as the GM. Both prioritized the LOS on both sides. Part of the QB's success is attributed to how well these teams have built rosters. Cowher won before BR with less than dynamic QB's. Green Bay won a lot with Favre then with Rodgers. It is not just the QB imo.
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His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
He’s the QB so it’s on him, but you can dissect each play and assign blame. The OL was getting owned and Lazard didn’t know to look for the pass on first down. Rodgers had 2 chances to take off and run and didn’t, not sure the reason.
But when you are down your all pro LT and lose your dynamic RB in the 1st quarter, coupled with the clusterfuck of the secondary, it’s really hard for me to pin it on the QB.
I'm not only referring to their final possession in the fourth quarter, but also the sequence before the half, where he missed a bit on the back shoulder throw to Adams and also missed a wide open Lazard when he threw it behind Adams in the back of the end zone.
Yes, exactly!
I think most people know it's a team game. I personally just like having fun at the expense of Golden Boy. And I didn't want the Packers pulling away from the Giants by winning their 5th SB (and 14th title).
By the way, the excuse train for Brady last year was pretty strong. Kept hearing about his lack of weapons and the OL health (both true). Funny how that works. Remind me again how he played at home against the Titans?
History has shown that the team with the most talent usually wins. Of course the HC and QB will maximize that but when the talent is subpar the result will follow.
Fact is it’s hard, you need a lot to break right in your favor. Some of it is earned some isn’t, that’s sports.
This is a great post. So many of us have watched the game for years. Time and again, there are points in the season where you need luck, good health, momentum and favorable matchups to win. The Bucs D is starting to dominate at the right time. Reminds me very much of our last two SB runs.
Games can be decided by thin margins. A blown coverage allowing a TD at the end of the half. An INT where PI could have been called. A 3rd down stop where PI was called.
And yet, fans and this board, like to pigeon-hole blame on one person.
It is damn hard to win a SB, let alone two. Even with elite QB's on great teams. Brees, Rivers, Favre, Rodgers, can have that talk with Elway, Marino, Fouts and many others.
And some BBI'ers have been telling the rest of us that the elite QB's in the league, which Rodgers is a prime example used, will their teams to victory regardless of roster around them. They elevate the players no matter the situation of the o-line, etc.... That is the NUMBER ONE attribute listed when describing elite QB play by many here. So why pivot on that now?
Nobody claimed Eli, or Jones for that matter, was elite or in Rodgers class. Ever.
Drew Brees for example, no thread on him. Maybe there have been a few over the years but has there been a more underwhelming playoff career for a QB as decorated as he is in the regular season? The reason we don't read about it much is because far less people hate him. Guys like Matt Ryan and Tony Romo (even on a Giants message board) even get a pass. The only 2 I really see are Rivers (and many make "excuses" for him too) and McNabb.
TC believed in the same. Unfortunately the line fell apart and both TC and Eli suffered. I actually TC was part of the problem holding on to his line too long and not moving on and replacing them earlier.
Tampa Bay has two very solid man mountain OTs who played well, and Preston Smith isn't worth his contract (although Z Smith clearly is).
Brady has a beast of a support staff over at TB too, in Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette, Jones.
When are folks gonna realize teams win games, not individuals?
Tampa Bay has two very solid man mountain OTs who played well, and Preston Smith isn't worth his contract (although Z Smith clearly is).
Brady has a beast of a support staff over at TB too, in Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette, Jones.
When are folks gonna realize teams win games, not individuals?
Very true. I wonder how New England would have fared this year with Brady. I don't think the result would be a trip to the Super Bowl.
We have a winner!
Thank you for some sanity.
And Aaron Rodgers has every right to be pissed that the Packers used their 2020 first round pick on a QB project and not a wide receiver.
Count me in the group that thinks the Manning/Coughlin Era pair of SuperBowls was an incredibly rare achievement, and Manning being MVP in both games was a HOF achievement in it's own right.
Brady keeps proving just how incredible it was
I think teams are looking more closely at how hard it is to win when you give that huge second and third contract.
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ago and Shaq Barrett and (a very much slimmed down!) JPP are very good edge defenders, who gave the Packers fits.
Tampa Bay has two very solid man mountain OTs who played well, and Preston Smith isn't worth his contract (although Z Smith clearly is).
Brady has a beast of a support staff over at TB too, in Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette, Jones.
When are folks gonna realize teams win games, not individuals?
Very true. I wonder how New England would have fared this year with Brady. I don't think the result would be a trip to the Super Bowl.
Probably similar and both Brady and Belichick probably knew it. That's what is so funny about people saying... "well, case closed, we know who was more important in the Brady vs. Belichick debate." Wrong.
Brady left because he had limited time left and couldn't wait for a rebuild which they both knew was at their doorstep. Brady HAND PICKED Tampa. Why do you think he picked them?
Brady absolutely deserves credit. Brady absolutely is the GOAT, which I've been arguing since the Atlanta Superbowl, at which point in time there were still a bunch of people saying it was still a race between he and Peyton.
Belichick and Brady and that New England Dynasty are joined at the hip. They are simpatico.
I think that most of the people on here that don't think DJ is the franchise QB we want know that football is a team sport.
Comparing Rodger's situation to DJ's is the ultimate apples to oranges argument.
The question I have is whether it is by design or Rodgers calling audibles, but it seemed like Green Bay would get the running game working and then abandon it, especially in the red zone. In a lot of ways this reminded me of Andy Reid's Eagles teams that could never make it over the hump.
Aaron Rodgers would definitely be an improvement over Daniel Jones over the life of Rodgers's tenure, but I would want to make sure he is interested in running a balanced offense and not just building up his personal statistics.
^^^^This.
Defense gave up 28 pts in the first half, including letting a WR get behind them with seconds left. LaFleur foolishly decided to take the game out of his best player's hands to kick a FG, hoping that the defense that got burned so badly in the first half would stop Brady from getting a fist down.
Then they allowed the KR to field the KO and bring it back to midfield. If they had gone for it on 4th down, worst case, you're giving TB the ball on the 8, still needing a TD. LaFleur's decision made no sense in any way.
This is a fact.
Some other facts are that Rodgers is an amazingly talented QB, who has video game type stats, never throws an INT (Did yesterday), has a ring, is going to Canton etc.
More facts are despite his great talent,Rodgers has not been able to QB his squad to two title runs. His playoff runs have ended in disappointment, including yesterday.
Did he not have the ball in his hands with a chance to get six and be a two point conversion for a tie? He did and he couldn't get it done. Is what it is.
Now, some QB's have proven capable of leading two or more title runs, cutting through the best of the NFL. Rodgers, right now, just isn't one of them.
Not rocket science. I'll admit bias though, I do enjoy rooting against Rodgers. Nothing personal, just when the Giants stink I need villains to keep games more interesting. Most of all I want a good game, which the early game yesterday was. Just sweeter for me Rodgers failed again. I will await the Rodgers excuse train which comes around every playoff.
So in that vein, at what point does losing 4 out of 5 NFCC games point to Rodgers, even a little bit?
Over and out..
And Kevin King actually plays cornerback and cost himself significant money yesterday as he enters free agency.
He inexplicably jumped too soon on the third down TD pass to Evans on the Bucs opening drive.
He inexplicably let Miller get behind him on the TD right before half.
And he inexplicably held Johnson for the key third down penalty that allowed the Bus to run out the clock.
Those were the game deciders.
And honorable mention to the real Aaron who also helped blow the game - Aaron Jones. Who fumbled on the third play after halftime that led to a two yard TD for Tampa.
Just for the uniformed...
So in that vein, at what point does losing 4 out of 5 NFCC games point to Rodgers, even a little bit?
Over and out..
If you won't acknowledge that, you're dishonest and everything you've said about QB's for the past ten years is bullshit.
Again, at least be consistent.
BBI in a nutshell
In fact, there was an article this morning on several missed opportunities by Rodgers late in the game.
You don't think those would be beaten to death here this morning? Or it would just be a "team game" still?
Should Aaron Rodgers have run for potentially game-tying TD vs. Bucs? - ( New Window )
So in that vein, at what point does losing 4 out of 5 NFCC games point to Rodgers, even a little bit?
Over and out..
It does. But you need to be willing to accept that certain things are unknown to us as fans, and also accept that many things are simply unexplainable. Doesn't make for good convo, but that the truth of it.
The word "choker" is an overused cliche in sports. It used to be reserved for the closer in baseball that would melt under pressure, or the QB that would always seem to throw a pick in a big spot. Now its simply assigned to anyone that didn't get a ring, or in the case, multiple rings. Many on this board think that Russell Wilson is a choker despite being #2 all time (behind Rodgers at #1) in QB efficiency all time. Mahomes is up there as well just needs more seasons to qualify.
I don't have a good answer for you but I do know that Rodgers is a great QB and has fallen short over the years for a myriad of reasons.
But I didn't write the book on Elite QB's on BBI. I'm just applying them to everybody fairly.
There's really no comparison of Eli's career or credentials to Rodgers'.
It never should.
I don't agree with this.
Eli played like an elite QB in stretches, not moments - some longer than others.
I also thought the HC made a brutal decision late in the
game, kick a field goal, really?
Rodgers made a bad decision when he could have run for
a TD, or close to it as well. It would have been 4th and short at worst.
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I also thought the HC made a brutal decision late in the
game, kick a field goal, really?
Rodgers made a bad decision when he could have run for
a TD, or close to it as well. It would have been 4th and short at worst.
I agree those are additional factors that fed into the sixty minutes of football. But, they're in the hole because of King and Jones putting about 4-5 really negative plays on the field, and a 28-10 on the scoreboard.
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King, in particular, had a brutal day.
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I also thought the HC made a brutal decision late in the
game, kick a field goal, really?
Rodgers made a bad decision when he could have run for
a TD, or close to it as well. It would have been 4th and short at worst.
I agree those are additional factors that fed into the sixty minutes of football. But, they're in the hole because of King and Jones putting about 4-5 really negative plays on the field, and a 28-10 on the scoreboard.
Yep, the Pack cost themselves late in the first half,
and the turnover the beg, of the second half big time.
Tony Dungy apparently tweeted, 'that was the worst defense he had ever seen at the end of the first half'.
If you won't acknowledge that, you're dishonest and everything you've said about QB's for the past ten years is bullshit.
Again, at least be consistent.
This is bullshit. If Daniel Jones had thrown for 350 yards and 3 TD's in an NFCCG loss, BBI would not be blaming him. Some of you are too desperate to prove a point.
Again, I don't blame Rodgers for the loss. He's an incredible player and the main reason they are there in the first place.
But by the rules created on this site, he is mostly to blame.
Sorry, those are the rules.
In fact, there was an article this morning on several missed opportunities by Rodgers late in the game.
You don't think those would be beaten to death here this morning? Or it would just be a "team game" still? Should Aaron Rodgers have run for potentially game-tying TD vs. Bucs? - ( New Window )
It was actually Devante Adams on the free play, but yeah, Rodgers blew it. A QB HAS TO recognize single coverage, especially when it's your best WR.
You can make the argument that Rodgers should have run on that 3rd down play, but make no mistake, he would not have scored. There were defenders all across the goal line. Maybe getting closer influences LaFleur's decision to go for it, but you're trying to pull out all stops to somehow prove that BBI'ers are being hypocrites for not blaming Rodgers.
Again, I don't blame Rodgers for the loss. He's an incredible player and the main reason they are there in the first place.
But by the rules created on this site, he is mostly to blame.
Sorry, those are the rules.
In your mind, those are the rules, but point to me games where Jones played well but BBI blamed him for the loss? You just aren't willing to admit that Jones played poorly this year. I'm not sure it's "BBI" that has the problem.
If you won't acknowledge that, you're dishonest and everything you've said about QB's for the past ten years is bullshit.
Again, at least be consistent.
I don't think that's fair. At least from my end.
Those plays I listed were watershed moments in yesterday's game that led to 21 points for Tampa. And they were completely out of the QB's (Rodgers) hands.
So if the Giants were in a similar game with Eli, and Jackrabbit was doing his impression of Kevin King, I would harp on that today. And question scheme, responsibility, etc on the defense.
Now, I do put a lot of emphasis on the play of the QB because he touches the ball the most, but I always try to analyze the game through the bigger lens...
I did not create that culture on this site. I'm just pointing out when it is not being applied fairly.
Why King is getting all this heat and Pettine is getting off scot free is shocking to me. It’s tough to tell but they had their safety on field side lining up 6-7 yards off ball! I can’t even tell if they are playing quarters or 3. Just sloppy as shit and that’s on DC
Why King is getting all this heat and Pettine is getting off scot free is shocking to me. It’s tough to tell but they had their safety on field side lining up 6-7 yards off ball! I can’t even tell if they are playing quarters or 3. Just sloppy as shit and that’s on DC
Pettine is getting a little heat, but King was beaten like a drum all game long, hell, all year long. GB needs to upgrade that spot badly. King had like a 105 QB rating against him this year.
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but he did produce a few elite moments in the NFL. He can do one while not being the other, and he did.
I don't agree with this.
Eli played like an elite QB in stretches, not moments - some longer than others.
I hope Jones develops to be as average as Eli was. We would be lucky as fans if that happens. I hope every Giant QB for the rest of my sports watching days can become as mediocre as Eli Manning
If you won't acknowledge that, you're dishonest and everything you've said about QB's for the past ten years is bullshit.
Again, at least be consistent.
Good post Britt - I was actually thinking about BBI QB-bashers in the context of Brady and his 3 second-half interceptions. Imagine the venom if Jones threw three second half interceptions in a regular season game, much less a Conference Championship?
BTW - I always thought that the GOAT comparison was Brady versus Montana not Peyton Manning. The GOAT argument was decided many years ago though.
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but he did produce a few elite moments in the NFL. He can do one while not being the other, and he did.
I don't agree with this.
Eli played like an elite QB in stretches, not moments - some longer than others.
I hope Jones develops to be as average as Eli was. We would be lucky as fans if that happens. I hope every Giant QB for the rest of my sports watching days can become as mediocre as Eli Manning
It’s redundant to say but ... he’s won as many SBs as Favre and Rodgers combined.
Simple, and not a knock, very few special QB's have.
Just facts. Maybe next year is Rodgers' year.
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against an Ariana coached team. If you give him 1 on 1 opportunity down the sideline they are taking it.
Why King is getting all this heat and Pettine is getting off scot free is shocking to me. It’s tough to tell but they had their safety on field side lining up 6-7 yards off ball! I can’t even tell if they are playing quarters or 3. Just sloppy as shit and that’s on DC
Pettine is getting a little heat, but King was beaten like a drum all game long, hell, all year long. GB needs to upgrade that spot badly. King had like a 105 QB rating against him this year.
I'm rewatched it again when Jlukes said he was in man and lo and behold it was man single high. Is it a suprise they ran 4 verticals there? No of course not! This is Arians. You have two LBer essentially just picking their butts out there with Fournette in the game pass blocking. Just an awful, awful call. The Bucs are way too talented on the outside to be playing friggin man cover 1 there. Personally, I like cover 2 man in that spot, but can't go wrong with quarters either. It's like they forgot they are playing Arians.
No way of quantifying this, but personally I've always though t QB play is responsible for about 20 percent of what it takes to win and lose. I think the percentage of the salary cap the top guys make reflects that. It's obviously the most important spot on the field, but everything is so reliant on everything that goes on around you that it drives me nuts that everything always gets attributed to the QB. Brady is still a top 12ish QB, but the Bucs are a better team and playing their best football right now. Is Rodgers supposed to play defense too? The two biggest plays of the game had nothing to do with Rodgers, the play before half, and the fumble coming out of the half.
It's seriously driving me nuts here that Brady is getting all this credit for what is going on around him. I live here and its unbearable and has been since they signed him. But lots of QBs are doing what he's doing with this team. Their biggest issue last year was Jameis decision making. Arians wanted to literally strangle him on a weekly basis, never seen a coach so fed up with a QB before.
This Bucs team is stacked, monster front 7, great line, great skill players. Glad the world is getting aquaninted with Scotty Miller, he's one of the best-unheralded guys in the game. Of course lots of decisions to make this offseason and they are going to have key guys they need to let walk. Shaq Barret is one guy I think we should be looking at, type of edge that has a game that ages very well. Very headsy player as well.
Simple, and not a knock, very few special QB's have.
Just facts. Maybe next year is Rodgers' year.
Rodgers is an amazing QB and a first ballot lock. His regular season passing statistics are insanely good when you look at comp %, td%, int %, TD/Int ratio, YPA, YPC, QB rating.
Guess what? His playoff passing statistics basically mirror his regular seasons numbers. And he has started 20 playoff games so there is plenty of data to make the comparison meaningful.
Is it just possible, Rodgers is demonstrating what he needs to in order to get his squad more titles, but the rest of his squads are having a hard time demonstrating they can keep up?
I think yesterday might have been an example.
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First ballot lock,but what is so complex about this? He just has not demonstrated he can QB his squad to two titles.
Simple, and not a knock, very few special QB's have.
Just facts. Maybe next year is Rodgers' year.
Rodgers is an amazing QB and a first ballot lock. His regular season passing statistics are insanely good when you look at comp %, td%, int %, TD/Int ratio, YPA, YPC, QB rating.
Guess what? His playoff passing statistics basically mirror his regular seasons numbers. And he has started 20 playoff games so there is plenty of data to make the comparison meaningful.
Is it just possible, Rodgers is demonstrating what he needs to in order to get his squad more titles, but the rest of his squads are having a hard time demonstrating they can keep up?
I think yesterday might have been an example.
Decided to log in as Googs today, instead of LBH15? Or going to go back and forth?
Rodgers and the offense didnt capitalize off any of it. That's on him. Granted the line was missing Bakhtiari, but they still had excellent lineman in there. Tampa did well on the rush and Green Bay didn't make the proper adjustments. The miss by Rodgers/Adams late was so big. It resulted in the ensuing FG which has been talked about ad-nausuem.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
Let's not act like he's earned a benefit of the doubt, let alone a billionth of the credit that Rodgers has earned.
When Jones plays like Rodgers he'll be treated like Rodgers.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
This isn't about Jones. It is about the narrative of what Elite QB's are or aren't, that has been beaten to death on this site for over a decade.
That's fine if you want to lay that amount of blame on QB play. Just do it consistently and admit Rodgers had his chances yesterday and blew it. Admit that Rodgers, for whatever reason, is 1-4 in Championship games and can't seem to get over the hump. If that's what you would do to other QB's, then why should Rodgers get a pass?
Just make sure the same rules are applied to everybody.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
Well, easy does it there. Clearly he would be blamed by some, although that would be a flawed view and likely not too widespread. Much like the above flawed hypothetical thinking.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
This isn't about Jones. It is about the narrative of what Elite QB's are or aren't, that has been beaten to death on this site for over a decade.
That's fine if you want to lay that amount of blame on QB play. Just do it consistently and admit Rodgers had his chances yesterday and blew it. Admit that Rodgers, for whatever reason, is 1-4 in Championship games and can't seem to get over the hump. If that's what you would do to other QB's, then why should Rodgers get a pass?
Just make sure the same rules are applied to everybody.
The same rules are applied for everybody. No one's been treated unfairly - certainly not any Giant QBs.
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if that had been the Giants yesterday, the BBI bullseye would be squarely on the QB's back.
I disagree that Jones would be blamed for the loss if every other event unfolded identically. You think posting 33-48 for 3 TDs and 346 yards would put the bullseye on him? I know everyone can use hypotheticals, but an argument shouldn't hinge on a hypothetical of that extreme.
Well, easy does it there. Clearly he would be blamed by some, although that would be a flawed view and likely not too widespread. Much like the above flawed hypothetical thinking.
Well sure, there are always outliers. There are always going to be people as antagonistic as Saquons26 on here putting forth arguments like that. But would a credible consensus form? I really doubt it.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
This handle is all I have and need. Think about who you argue with a lot though, its probably a good many...
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One handle does the drive by, while the more recently reinstated handle is a little more even keeled in the approach. This could work well for you.
This handle is all I have and need. Think about who you argue with a lot though, its probably a good many...
It's typically the same five people. Six if you count your other handle.
Ha! Probably fair but keep a tally nonetheless...
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One handle does the drive by, while the more recently reinstated handle is a little more even keeled in the approach. This could work well for you.
This handle is all I have and need. Think about who you argue with a lot though, its probably a good many...
Ha! Your only handle, that’s funny. The dance you’ll be doing between LBH15 and Jimmy Googs will keep me entertained this off-season. I appreciate the effort.
29 years and counting.
5 League MVP's between them and countless other regular season awards.
At the end of the day, only 2 Championships.
Getting to, and winning, Superbowls is hard.
29 years and counting.
5 League MVP's between them and countless other regular season awards.
At the end of the day, only 2 Championships.
Getting to, and winning, Superbowls is hard.
Especially since Tom Brady has been in the league.
Come on, I gave you that softball to hit out the park with Eli.
He finished 29/34 for 267 yards and 1 TD. Amazing accuracy, but all 5 of his incompletions came on Cal's final two drives.
On what would be their last drive, down 6, Rodgers drove to the USC 9 yard line. The last four Cal plays were a sack and 3 incompletions.
It was a stunning ending for a QB who was actually unstoppable for almost the whole game.
I'm BubbaMojo. Duh.
I was around for your first go around when you only had one handle. It's pretty clear, at least initially, your plan is use LBH15 as your drive by, negative comment content (similar to the first time around when you were just Jimmy Googs).
It looks like you are going to use your Jimmy Googs handle as more of a softer, gentler poster.
Clear as day. Nobody is going to buy it.
Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
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I'm BubbaMojo. Duh.
I think this above says it all...
And as mentioned, don't recall you as shocking as that may be.
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I'm BubbaMojo. Duh.
I think this above says it all...
And as mentioned, don't recall you as shocking as that may be.
sure thing, boss. see you around. Looking forward to you doing the dance between two handles.
Nothing strange about that!!
Maybe the old phrase needs to be re-worded. "Googs being LBH15 and LBH15 being Googs!!"
Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
You need the whole shebang, good QB play, good team, and good coaching. You can't not have all 3 and win a SB. Doesn't mean you need elite QB play, just solid consistent play. Shit Brady wasn't very good yesterday and they still won because the team was much better than the Pack and they got outcoached. If I'm LaFleur I'm firing Pettine and finding another guy.
You left out Scotty Miller, guy is one of the best players in the game that no one ever talks about. When Brown was in there, that was probably the most talented full WR core in history of the game.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
They're definitely at that point, yeah. They're 30-7 and averaging 30+ points per game with him as their starter, so they hit a home run. I think they are in good shape whether they decide to pay him or trade him (assuming he brings in the haul you'd expect from a young QB with his accomplishments).
I'm not concerned about his health...he's missed almost no action going back to his time at Louisville, all while running the ball a ton. If they do opt to pay him, I think they should prioritize similar players at backup QB and consider spelling him more in blowouts or against weaker competition.
Also if they pay him they may want to bring in a passing game coordinator, or someone that can help Roman with designing the passing game to tailor it to Jackson's strengths.
They've got work to do, but a baseline of 30 PPG and 6 yards per play is a nice place to start. They don't need to tear it down. Just tweak it.
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I think the Ravens have a LOT of thinking to do about Lamar Jackson, wouldn't you agree? The window of his rookie contract is closing, and once they pay him that $40 million per, the team around him only gets worse.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
They're definitely at that point, yeah. They're 30-7 and averaging 30+ points per game with him as their starter, so they hit a home run. I think they are in good shape whether they decide to pay him or trade him (assuming he brings in the haul you'd expect from a young QB with his accomplishments).
I'm not concerned about his health...he's missed almost no action going back to his time at Louisville, all while running the ball a ton. If they do opt to pay him, I think they should prioritize similar players at backup QB and consider spelling him more in blowouts or against weaker competition.
Also if they pay him they may want to bring in a passing game coordinator, or someone that can help Roman with designing the passing game to tailor it to Jackson's strengths.
They've got work to do, but a baseline of 30 PPG and 6 yards per play is a nice place to start. They don't need to tear it down. Just tweak it.
Yea there is no decision to make in Baltimore. Jackson will get a mint and he should. Worry about the AFC title games when you get there. Jackson ain't going anywhere.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
If we're circling this back to the Giants, offensively they are miles away from what we saw yesterday. They are not explosive and they are not good in the red zone.
Still a long, long way to go.
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Weird is an understatement...
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I think the Ravens have a LOT of thinking to do about Lamar Jackson, wouldn't you agree? The window of his rookie contract is closing, and once they pay him that $40 million per, the team around him only gets worse.
If his ceiling is low as a passer, and he's going to have to rely on his legs to make plays to be successful, is he really any different in longevity than a running back?
Tough decisions upcoming for Baltimore.
They're definitely at that point, yeah. They're 30-7 and averaging 30+ points per game with him as their starter, so they hit a home run. I think they are in good shape whether they decide to pay him or trade him (assuming he brings in the haul you'd expect from a young QB with his accomplishments).
I'm not concerned about his health...he's missed almost no action going back to his time at Louisville, all while running the ball a ton. If they do opt to pay him, I think they should prioritize similar players at backup QB and consider spelling him more in blowouts or against weaker competition.
Also if they pay him they may want to bring in a passing game coordinator, or someone that can help Roman with designing the passing game to tailor it to Jackson's strengths.
They've got work to do, but a baseline of 30 PPG and 6 yards per play is a nice place to start. They don't need to tear it down. Just tweak it.
Yea there is no decision to make in Baltimore. Jackson will get a mint and he should. Worry about the AFC title games when you get there. Jackson ain't going anywhere.
It is quite possible Mr. Jackson develops his passing game to where he can be a guy to take it to the next level. I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it but his productivity in running the offense is off the charts and maybe it works. Albeit his passing is something playoff DCs seem to have a handle on.
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Weird is an understatement...
I can admit I'm weird.
Can you admit you have 2 (or more) handles? I'm guessing not. Dance continues.
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Which one is Ray Finkle and which is Lois Einhorn?
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In comment 15134207 Jimmy Googs said:
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with a ponderous pithy post. Figured that guy was you.
Did you actually think bringing back your Googs handle would work to deflect how obvious it is you are the same person? Genuinely curious.
LBH15 = Jimmy Googs
Jimmy Googs = LBH15
Shout it from the rooftops!
Which one is Ray Finkle and which is Lois Einhorn?
I think that is still TBD! Might take some time for the dupes to define that.
Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
You are likely right. The Bucs are the better overall team than the Packers. While they were able to solve for it against the Rams, the loss of Bahktiari reared its head in protection and in the run game especially.
Here is where I am on yesterday. Rodgers just didn't have enough ammo to overcome the massive mistakes of King and Jones. I thought he could, but it just wasn't meant to be...
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Who knows...I just think Rodgers covers up so many team weaknesses but in January those weaknesses will be exposed. Brady plays on a better team. The Bucs have better players than the Packers. Yea you've got Rodgers and Adams. I'll see that and call with a Brady and Mike Evans, then raise you a Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown (who was out) then double raise you with the Bucs entire defense.
Teams win in January. Generational QBs go home.
You are likely right. The Bucs are the better overall team than the Packers. While they were able to solve for it against the Rams, the loss of Bahktiari reared its head in protection and in the run game especially.
Here is where I am on yesterday. Rodgers just didn't have enough ammo to overcome the massive mistakes of King and Jones. I thought he could, but it just wasn't meant to be...
Which is why Rodgers is likely pissed that they spent 2 high draft picks on Jordan Love and a 3rd String RB who rarely plays (A.J. Dillon) and when they do run they never really commit to it. A starting caliber WR2 would have helped a lot more than the 3-headed monster of alligator arms that are MVS, Lazard, and St. Brown.
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At the extremes, you have QB performances that are so exceptional, they play a huge role in winning the game, and likewise on the other end, performances that are so bad they cost his team the game. In the middle, you have the majority of performances where the play could have been better or worse, and may have pushed the scales in one direction or the other to a degree, but the story of the game was largely a team effort. Yesterday Rodgers outplayed Brady. He had a better game under more challenging situations. But collectively, Tampa outplayed Green Bay.
No way of quantifying this, but personally I've always though t QB play is responsible for about 20 percent of what it takes to win and lose. I think the percentage of the salary cap the top guys make reflects that. It's obviously the most important spot on the field, but everything is so reliant on everything that goes on around you that it drives me nuts that everything always gets attributed to the QB. Brady is still a top 12ish QB, but the Bucs are a better team and playing their best football right now. Is Rodgers supposed to play defense too? The two biggest plays of the game had nothing to do with Rodgers, the play before half, and the fumble coming out of the half.
It's seriously driving me nuts here that Brady is getting all this credit for what is going on around him. I live here and its unbearable and has been since they signed him. But lots of QBs are doing what he's doing with this team. Their biggest issue last year was Jameis decision making. Arians wanted to literally strangle him on a weekly basis, never seen a coach so fed up with a QB before.
This Bucs team is stacked, monster front 7, great line, great skill players. Glad the world is getting aquaninted with Scotty Miller, he's one of the best-unheralded guys in the game. Of course lots of decisions to make this offseason and they are going to have key guys they need to let walk. Shaq Barret is one guy I think we should be looking at, type of edge that has a game that ages very well. Very headsy player as well.
I think teams are looking more closely at how hard it is to win when you give that huge second and third contract.
Then I guess they are on track as it looks like there might be a vacancy opening up at quarterback in Green Bay.
412/89
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But he has no where near the leadership or passion as guys like Brady or Peyton.
412/89
45/13 (playoffs)