Well, what do you think, choke artist or not in the big games?
The one Super Bowl Rodgers won he had Clay Mathews in his prime.
Rodgers ain't no Eli Manning.
Brady is the GOAT and Eli beat him twice while Brady was in his prime.
Eli the GOAT killer. The Silent Assasin.
Rodgers will get his ass licked by management this offseason to his satisfaction and play next season for the Packers.
Nothing, QB isn't our problem
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
Is that in reference to me?
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
It's Denny in Denville talking. Can safely ignore him.
I am totally convinced those three are as good as any QB that has ever walked this planet.
And if you put a gun to my head and said I needed any QB to win a game for me, I'm taking either Montana or Elway. Not Brady.
If you are going that bullshit route, then include Johnny Unitas.
But the best QB of all time is Tom Brady. And yes I even saw Johnny U play. No doubt Montana probably surpassed Unitas as the GOAT in the 90's.
But having seen them all, Brady is the best. I do not even put Elway in that group.
For those shitting on Rodgers, JPP, Shaq and that dline was on him all day. Yes he probably could have gotten into the EZ on that 3rd down. Todd Bowles probably had his best ever game plan and it worked. In all honesty since the Giants almost beat the Bucs their defense has gotten better, much better.
It won't work against Mahomes because he will run before the pocket collapses.
It appears that for some it's Jones or bust. Doesn't make any sense.
The opposite is also true on BBI.
His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
I mean, that takes a special QB, a winner elevated to rarefied air, it is not a knock on Rodgers that he has not reached this level of accomplishment.
Good luck next year Rodgers, I am sure the excuse machine is already in full gear.
I agree with this. Ha ha. Maybe next year, Golden Boy.
Taking the simplified view of things is easy. Watching the games and seeing what determines Ws and Ls is not that difficult. A guy makes a clutch catch despite getting slammed on a critical 3rd down play, a linemen getting his hand on ball deflecting a pass in critical situation, defense making a much needed stop, a key penalty in critical juncture, etc etc etc. This is what wins in the NFL, especially come playoffs. In the game yesterday, the margin for error for Rodgers vs Brady was not even comparable. In terms of pass protection, what the defense did, what plays were made by skills position players, etc. Essentially, what the QB was required to do to win the game. Brady won, Rodgers lost. But undeniably, Brady had A LOT more help.
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His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
He’s the QB so it’s on him, but you can dissect each play and assign blame. The OL was getting owned and Lazard didn’t know to look for the pass on first down. Rodgers had 2 chances to take off and run and didn’t, not sure the reason.
But when you are down your all pro LT and lose your dynamic RB in the 1st quarter, coupled with the clusterfuck of the secondary, it’s really hard for me to pin it on the QB.
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His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
He outplayed Brady yesterday, but it's a team game. A number of Packers played dumb games yesterday and it cost them, Rodgers wasn't one of them.
Fact is it’s hard, you need a lot to break right in your favor. Some of it is earned some isn’t, that’s sports.
Green Bay like the Steelers have been very good at drafting going back decades. It started with Ron Wolf as the GM. Both prioritized the LOS on both sides. Part of the QB's success is attributed to how well these teams have built rosters. Cowher won before BR with less than dynamic QB's. Green Bay won a lot with Favre then with Rodgers. It is not just the QB imo.
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His failures in the red zone were a big reason that they lost.
He’s the QB so it’s on him, but you can dissect each play and assign blame. The OL was getting owned and Lazard didn’t know to look for the pass on first down. Rodgers had 2 chances to take off and run and didn’t, not sure the reason.
But when you are down your all pro LT and lose your dynamic RB in the 1st quarter, coupled with the clusterfuck of the secondary, it’s really hard for me to pin it on the QB.
I'm not only referring to their final possession in the fourth quarter, but also the sequence before the half, where he missed a bit on the back shoulder throw to Adams and also missed a wide open Lazard when he threw it behind Adams in the back of the end zone.
Yes, exactly!
I think most people know it's a team game. I personally just like having fun at the expense of Golden Boy. And I didn't want the Packers pulling away from the Giants by winning their 5th SB (and 14th title).
By the way, the excuse train for Brady last year was pretty strong. Kept hearing about his lack of weapons and the OL health (both true). Funny how that works. Remind me again how he played at home against the Titans?
History has shown that the team with the most talent usually wins. Of course the HC and QB will maximize that but when the talent is subpar the result will follow.
Fact is it’s hard, you need a lot to break right in your favor. Some of it is earned some isn’t, that’s sports.
This is a great post. So many of us have watched the game for years. Time and again, there are points in the season where you need luck, good health, momentum and favorable matchups to win. The Bucs D is starting to dominate at the right time. Reminds me very much of our last two SB runs.
Games can be decided by thin margins. A blown coverage allowing a TD at the end of the half. An INT where PI could have been called. A 3rd down stop where PI was called.
And yet, fans and this board, like to pigeon-hole blame on one person.
It is damn hard to win a SB, let alone two. Even with elite QB's on great teams. Brees, Rivers, Favre, Rodgers, can have that talk with Elway, Marino, Fouts and many others.
And some BBI'ers have been telling the rest of us that the elite QB's in the league, which Rodgers is a prime example used, will their teams to victory regardless of roster around them. They elevate the players no matter the situation of the o-line, etc.... That is the NUMBER ONE attribute listed when describing elite QB play by many here. So why pivot on that now?
Nobody claimed Eli, or Jones for that matter, was elite or in Rodgers class. Ever.
Drew Brees for example, no thread on him. Maybe there have been a few over the years but has there been a more underwhelming playoff career for a QB as decorated as he is in the regular season? The reason we don't read about it much is because far less people hate him. Guys like Matt Ryan and Tony Romo (even on a Giants message board) even get a pass. The only 2 I really see are Rivers (and many make "excuses" for him too) and McNabb.
TC believed in the same. Unfortunately the line fell apart and both TC and Eli suffered. I actually TC was part of the problem holding on to his line too long and not moving on and replacing them earlier.
Tampa Bay has two very solid man mountain OTs who played well, and Preston Smith isn't worth his contract (although Z Smith clearly is).
Brady has a beast of a support staff over at TB too, in Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette, Jones.
When are folks gonna realize teams win games, not individuals?
Tampa Bay has two very solid man mountain OTs who played well, and Preston Smith isn't worth his contract (although Z Smith clearly is).
Brady has a beast of a support staff over at TB too, in Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette, Jones.
When are folks gonna realize teams win games, not individuals?
Very true. I wonder how New England would have fared this year with Brady. I don't think the result would be a trip to the Super Bowl.
We have a winner!
Thank you for some sanity.
And Aaron Rodgers has every right to be pissed that the Packers used their 2020 first round pick on a QB project and not a wide receiver.
Count me in the group that thinks the Manning/Coughlin Era pair of SuperBowls was an incredibly rare achievement, and Manning being MVP in both games was a HOF achievement in it's own right.
Brady keeps proving just how incredible it was
I think teams are looking more closely at how hard it is to win when you give that huge second and third contract.
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ago and Shaq Barrett and (a very much slimmed down!) JPP are very good edge defenders, who gave the Packers fits.
Tampa Bay has two very solid man mountain OTs who played well, and Preston Smith isn't worth his contract (although Z Smith clearly is).
Brady has a beast of a support staff over at TB too, in Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette, Jones.
When are folks gonna realize teams win games, not individuals?
Very true. I wonder how New England would have fared this year with Brady. I don't think the result would be a trip to the Super Bowl.
Probably similar and both Brady and Belichick probably knew it. That's what is so funny about people saying... "well, case closed, we know who was more important in the Brady vs. Belichick debate." Wrong.
Brady left because he had limited time left and couldn't wait for a rebuild which they both knew was at their doorstep. Brady HAND PICKED Tampa. Why do you think he picked them?
Brady absolutely deserves credit. Brady absolutely is the GOAT, which I've been arguing since the Atlanta Superbowl, at which point in time there were still a bunch of people saying it was still a race between he and Peyton.
Belichick and Brady and that New England Dynasty are joined at the hip. They are simpatico.
I think that most of the people on here that don't think DJ is the franchise QB we want know that football is a team sport.
Comparing Rodger's situation to DJ's is the ultimate apples to oranges argument.
The question I have is whether it is by design or Rodgers calling audibles, but it seemed like Green Bay would get the running game working and then abandon it, especially in the red zone. In a lot of ways this reminded me of Andy Reid's Eagles teams that could never make it over the hump.
Aaron Rodgers would definitely be an improvement over Daniel Jones over the life of Rodgers's tenure, but I would want to make sure he is interested in running a balanced offense and not just building up his personal statistics.
^^^^This.
Defense gave up 28 pts in the first half, including letting a WR get behind them with seconds left. LaFleur foolishly decided to take the game out of his best player's hands to kick a FG, hoping that the defense that got burned so badly in the first half would stop Brady from getting a fist down.
Then they allowed the KR to field the KO and bring it back to midfield. If they had gone for it on 4th down, worst case, you're giving TB the ball on the 8, still needing a TD. LaFleur's decision made no sense in any way.
This is a fact.
Some other facts are that Rodgers is an amazingly talented QB, who has video game type stats, never throws an INT (Did yesterday), has a ring, is going to Canton etc.
More facts are despite his great talent,Rodgers has not been able to QB his squad to two title runs. His playoff runs have ended in disappointment, including yesterday.
Did he not have the ball in his hands with a chance to get six and be a two point conversion for a tie? He did and he couldn't get it done. Is what it is.
Now, some QB's have proven capable of leading two or more title runs, cutting through the best of the NFL. Rodgers, right now, just isn't one of them.
Not rocket science. I'll admit bias though, I do enjoy rooting against Rodgers. Nothing personal, just when the Giants stink I need villains to keep games more interesting. Most of all I want a good game, which the early game yesterday was. Just sweeter for me Rodgers failed again. I will await the Rodgers excuse train which comes around every playoff.
So in that vein, at what point does losing 4 out of 5 NFCC games point to Rodgers, even a little bit?
Over and out..
And Kevin King actually plays cornerback and cost himself significant money yesterday as he enters free agency.
He inexplicably jumped too soon on the third down TD pass to Evans on the Bucs opening drive.
He inexplicably let Miller get behind him on the TD right before half.
And he inexplicably held Johnson for the key third down penalty that allowed the Bus to run out the clock.
Those were the game deciders.
And honorable mention to the real Aaron who also helped blow the game - Aaron Jones. Who fumbled on the third play after halftime that led to a two yard TD for Tampa.
Just for the uniformed...
So in that vein, at what point does losing 4 out of 5 NFCC games point to Rodgers, even a little bit?
Over and out..