Yesterday's quote: "I've known him most of his life and there's immaturity issues".
A quick glance through the internet seems to confirm that they were red flags as far back as High School. There's a lawsuit by an ex player named Humphreys against Penn State that alleges locker room acts as well as a barroom fight - it's rough stuff and almost tough to read.
Couple that, with other reports that claim he has succeeded at the college level because of the Raw Talent , but he is not an instinctual or knowledgeable player who can necessarily Step Up.
None of this is definitive or conclusive, and it doesn't mean he won't be an NFL star and even an impact player - certainly the stats are there.. But "safe" and a high basement are important Concepts not to be ignored when you're drafting that high.
I think all the chatter almost guarantees that he will be there, but with so many attractive alternatives, I think it's fair to say that Micah Parsons is not going to be a giant.
He can do everything - I can see him playing that "Buck" position who pass rushes, can play stacked or off the edge and provide tons of scheme versatility.
Would be very surprised to see Parsons even ignoring any outside issues
I'm hoping for either Farley or Surtain
Certainly doesn't paint Parsons as a boy scout. But he's hardly the only young man to get in a fight like this, and I wouldn't let this incident alone preclude me from drafting him.
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Stuff like this would preclude drafting him, not a fight he got into.
wait until the OP reads about some of the stuff from LT off the field...
And was going to post a similar now redundant thread. A link to Miami Dolphins related speculation that he might be off their board altogether led me to the old Phila Inquirer article.
Dunno what to think. And lets not pretend the Giants have never had any success with a "bad boy" LB, who also just happened to have unbelievably freakish arhleticism, in a previous era.
6'3", 245#, runs a sub 4.5 40. He's faster and probably more all around arhletic than top 2020 CB Patrick Surtain. Let that sink in. He has ridiculously quick feet, so much so that blockers have a very hard time lining him up, he so effortlessly side steps them.
And stuff is coming up NOW pre draft that happened over a year ago, did not generate a criminal investigation (that went anywhere) and even refers to civil lawsuits that were thrown out of court more than once?
I guess there's some truth there, but it also smells like a disinformation campain to get Parsons to drop out of the top 5.
Who could be behind it? The guys sitting at 6? I hear that's a Pennsylvania based team, in pretty dire need of an Alpha LB?
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If it was up to me it would an ER
I'm hoping for either Farley or Surtain
I haven't studied either Surtain or Farley yet - and it's a possibility -- but the idea that the team is committed to Jones says WR or the TE
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If it was up to me it would an ER
I'm hoping for either Farley or Surtain
I haven't studied either Surtain or Farley yet - and it's a possibility -- but the idea that the team is committed to Jones says WR or the TE
True, but we could always address that in free agency. Kyle Pitts is an option as well, but I think there's a real possibility that Farley and/or Surtain will be the BPA at 11 and they also happen to play a position of need.
choked his pregnant girlfriend, and punched her in the stomach and face: "Crystal Espinal, Hill's girlfriend who was eight weeks pregnant with his child, told police an argument late on the night of Dec. 12, 2014, at Hill's Stillwater home escalated to physical violence. Espinal said she was choked by Hill, who also punched her in the stomach and the face. Still in pain in her stomach, she said she was concerned about the baby."
There were also allegations against him breaking his 3-year-old's arm.
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He won't make it to the Giants at 11. No fffn way.
BTW, his teammate, Jayson Oweh, is very impressive in his own right. He's a physical freak. Once he gets stronger and more polished...look out.
Then you have the remarks about the lack of instincts seemingly summing it up. As I read I couldn't help wondering what we would have thought of LT if we had this kind of information. But it was a different age and explosive and talented as he might be , this is almost certainly no LT.
But most importantly, there is bound to be reasonable safer alternatives
gidiefor; if both Davonta Smith and Jamarr Chase are gone at pick 11, do you see NYG going for Waddle? Also, which ER do you see is worthy at 11?
Then you have the remarks about the lack of instincts seemingly summing it up. As I read I couldn't help wondering what we would have thought of LT if we had this kind of information. But it was a different age and explosive and talented as he might be , this is almost certainly no LT.
But most importantly, there is bound to be reasonable safer alternatives
From what I have read. The other guy pulled the knife. Did Parsons pull the knife??? Because this sentence sure makes it seem like Humphries pulled the knife: "According to ESPN, the fight escalated to Parsons choking Humphries, who then pulled out a pocket knife so Parsons would stop. The fight ended after that, according to the report."
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we cant score, we need weapons
THe same mantra should absolutely be adopted when it comes to taking TE.
Go back and look at the TEs that have been drafted in rd 1 and tell me which one lived up to their draft pick.
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If it was up to me it would an ER
I'm hoping for either Farley or Surtain
I would love Surtain or Waddell assuming Chase and Smith are already off the board.
But that's only one of several negative factors. It was Bucky Waters who said he had no in him since high school and that there's immaturity issues.
Then there's remark about instincts. Gettleman was tarred and feathered over the pic for the cornerback and time and time again we heard that he had inappropriately ignored red flags.
I don't know what the truth is, but I don't think gettleman can put himself in a position of being second-guessed and ignoring the much larger red flags being bandied about here.
I also remember consistently writing that the Giants had made a mistake when they passed on laremy tunsil and that they would feel it for the next decade.
DeAndre Baker or laremy tunsil. Why I'm not a GM. But I will say this, there are a lot better alternatives than Eli Apple this time around and I think that will be the deciding factor.
I don't necessarily think the Giants will take a WR in the first round, especially in a draft that is very deep at that position. This team has a ton of needs. Just take the BPA.
THe same mantra should absolutely be adopted when it comes to taking TE.
Go back and look at the TEs that have been drafted in rd 1 and tell me which one lived up to their draft pick.
That's great logic.
It's precisely the logic the Giants used when the bypassed Daniel Jones, another Duke QB.
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I think the big difference now is Social media. Everything gets out and is magnified is huge stories. What may have taken years to come out in the past comes out no in almost real time.
Bucky Waters? Muddy waters? Andre Waters?
Dark, turbulent waters?
I'm willing to bet anyone Parsons doesn't make it to 11.
But if he does, Sean Spence will have more to say about Parsons than we are going to ever know.
This is where I am with him in football terms, can he play MIKE in extra DB packages at the NFL level.
THe same mantra should absolutely be adopted when it comes to taking TE.
Go back and look at the TEs that have been drafted in rd 1 and tell me which one lived up to their draft pick.
You have to trust your scouting...heck we took a qb at 6 but we still have questions on that pick. If that TE can produce like Travis in KC, I’d say he’s worth the #11 pick.
we cant score, we need weapons
Yes and if you improve your Defense you don't need to score as much. You can either close our Def up to make them elite by adding a Passrushing LB and top CB or try and keep it the same and improve the offense some. Either way whoever we pick at 11 is going to help us... WR yes, CB yes, Edge Yes, etc
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or the TE Pitts at 11 i'll be very surprised.
we cant score, we need weapons
Yes and if you improve your Defense you don't need to score as much. You can either close our Def up to make them elite by adding a Passrushing LB and top CB or try and keep it the same and improve the offense some. Either way whoever we pick at 11 is going to help us... WR yes, CB yes, Edge Yes, etc
Exactly.
I’d add Frank Clark to that list too. If those types of dudes are good enough for the league’s gold standard, they should be good enough for us too.
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had analysis on why he's a bad fit for the Giants. Since the Giants play nickle so often he'd either have to move down to a DE position (where he's undersized) or he'd move to a MIKE position (where he'd be exposed in coverage). Otherwise he's at best a two-down LB on this team which is a waste of the 11th pick.
This is where I am with him in football terms, can he play MIKE in extra DB packages at the NFL level.
supposedly coverage isn't his strength and he wasn't asked to do it much at PSU so whatever skills he may have are raw/underdeveloped. Combined with the fact the NFL won't allow teams to conduct private workouts leads me to think the Giants should pass if he's still there at 11.
How many times are we going to pass on guys who are awesome at football because they are mean bastards. Isnt that who we want? Joe Mixon is a damn good running back and he lost his composure as a college kid. Bruce Irvin was fucking trouble as a college kid and he was a gangster in the NFL for a while. Richie Incognito would have been the best Guard on our team for a decade plus.
Parsons is my favorite player in tgis draft bar none. He has Jaylon Smith type athleticism and pass rushing ability. I think you can teach that guy to cover.
I know I have changed a bit my rankings but if any of these players are available in this order, we def take them: Surtain (like Parsons better, but Surtain's position holds more value), Parsons and Rousseau (position hold more value, I just like Parsons dual ability).
I dont want a wideout at 11. Go get one in FA....thats what FA is for...plugging holes.