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Ottavino and a prospect are going to the #RedSox and Bos is taking most of the money. #Yankees @lindseyadler
1st that he had been traded
recognizable to people who grew up in the 50's, 60's & 70's. The Yankees gave the Red Sox a healthy pitcher that they paid 9 million dollars last year and a C level prospect so they can try to use his money to buy different players? I liked Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle much better.
Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
Well, that is kinda disappointing. I get that you can't trust him.
Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
That said....I'm of the belief that you give a guy with starter potential every possible opportunity to start before you consign him to the pen, as starters are so much more valuable than relievers. Garcia has the ability, so give him chances. Chad Green, to use a different example, didn't - he's close to a one-pitch guy and was never a good bet to excel as a starter for that reason.
in his compromised state allowed for the tear down of Yankee Stadium and field seats in the new sterile soulless mall that cost 1K per ticket. Interesting to me that according to Forbes only 11 MLB hahad less 2019 operating income than the Yankees. The Business Of Baseball - ( New Window )
That chart has no context "Big Stein" in his compromised state allowed for the tear down of Yankee Stadium and field seats in the new sterile soulless mall that cost 1K per ticket. Interesting to me that according to Forbes only 11 MLB had less 2019 operating income than the Yankees.
When George III was around, the salary tax was not anywhere near as onerous as it is now. MLB made it this way specifically to target the Yankees. Yes, a handful of other big-money franchises as well, but let's be honest here - it was conceived primarily as a Yankees tax.
Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.
I know I get it. It's totally reasonable that they don't overpay
and yes, the tax was basically targeted right at them. There's a large incentive to stay under the limit. And did not realize that their income was that low.
But, my inner 12 year old Yankee fan demands big FA splash. We need to win this damn thing. I feel like Big Stein would be feeling the same way.
They're being smart and it's hard to complain but I'm left wishing we made a big move to improve the team this year. At least most of our rivals have not improved their rosters.
Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
That said....I'm of the belief that you give a guy with starter potential every possible opportunity to start before you consign him to the pen, as starters are so much more valuable than relievers. Garcia has the ability, so give him chances. Chad Green, to use a different example, didn't - he's close to a one-pitch guy and was never a good bet to excel as a starter for that reason.
Right. I was thinking of guys like Scott Kazmir and Rich Harden who were nasty but their bodies failed them. The theory holds water tho. You get rare exceptions like Pedro, but for the most part, hard throwing guys with filthy breaking stuff generally cant handle the workload.
I was more or less suggesting that we not have to depend on him stringing together quality starts...use him like German was used for a couple years before he impresswd and became a big time part of the rotation.
thing is, though, is that guys who can thrive without a defined role
When George III was around, the salary tax was not anywhere near as onerous as it is now. MLB made it this way specifically to target the Yankees. Yes, a handful of other big-money franchises as well, but let's be honest here - it was conceived primarily as a Yankees tax.
Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.
Exactly. I don’t think it’s fair to say Hal is cheap. Hal doesn’t like giving money to his opponents to help them beat the Yankees. The luxury tax is working in that respect. Also when Tampa has a third of the Yankees payroll and is beating the Yankees in the playoffs and winning the division, Hal has to be asking himself why am I spending all this money.
Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
[i]Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
Ron Guidry wasn't a big guy (listed at 5'11", 161 pounds).
When George III was around, the salary tax was not anywhere near as onerous as it is now. MLB made it this way specifically to target the Yankees. Yes, a handful of other big-money franchises as well, but let's be honest here - it was conceived primarily as a Yankees tax.
Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.
no he wouldn't. it was one of the few things he got right. he was the first to rightly complain that teams like KC and Tampa were putting his luxury tax $$ in their pockets and not on the field.
trade is a rare "makes sense for both teams" move. Ottavino has very decent odds of being a decent trade piece at the deadline if the Red Sox aren't in the hunt (and German seems to be a "solid" pickup) and the Yankees now have room to operate.
Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
[i]Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
Ron Guidry wasn't a big guy (listed at 5'11", 161 pounds).
I'm glad he got to spend some time as a Yank. He and our middle kid went to high school together in Brooklyn (they were a year apart I think), and it was cool to have someone from the school on the New York Yankees.
getting Gardy back on the team and making sure we have flexibility to continue to improve. It's not my money so I won't pretend to know what they can or cannot afford.
the money spent on him would be better served elsewhere. I don't think Gardner would garner 3 million on the open market yet the Yanks routinely hand out 8 million dollar overpay deals . If you are on a budget you can't do that
the money spent on him would be better served elsewhere. I don't think Gardner would garner 3 million on the open market yet the Yanks routinely hand out 8 million dollar overpay deals . If you are on a budget you can't do that
Gardy should be getting 2M on a one year deal. I'd be surprised if he gets more than that.
fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
holy shit. he has 9 yankee lives
rich and adamg, Warren is cooked. He was cooked before the time he returned to the Yanks from the Cubs(?). I expect nothing except a look see. Heller is the guy that could do something, he is younger with a better arm. I will not hold my breath on either.
I am not sure just what Cashman is doing with the pitching staff. He has recently not been good at assembling a staff. Actually he has never been too good at a successful SP staff. The bullpen was almost always good and bailed out the SPs. Now it seems both are a hodgepodge of parts. Until this team starts to develop drafted pitchers into successful pitchers he will be chasing dreams and other teams castoffs.
Still crazy to me he let Kahnle go and then chased other TJS patients....
RE: RE: I think its time to turn the page on Gardner
the money spent on him would be better served elsewhere. I don't think Gardner would garner 3 million on the open market yet the Yanks routinely hand out 8 million dollar overpay deals . If you are on a budget you can't do that
Gardy should be getting 2M on a one year deal. I'd be surprised if he gets more than that.
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Now that they have moved Ottavino's salary, I'm thinking
Gardner at about 4 mill...They are done after that.
RE: I never liked him anyway. I don't like relievers in with men on base
Still a little surprised they sent him to Boston though.
Just shows that Cashman had a mandate from Hal to get under the cap & must have not had many teams willing to take Ottavino's contract. So Cash was desperate to move him & the Red Sox offered to take it with a prospect included for their troubles!
fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
holy shit. he has 9 yankee lives
rich and adamg, Warren is cooked. He was cooked before the time he returned to the Yanks from the Cubs(?). I expect nothing except a look see. Heller is the guy that could do something, he is younger with a better arm. I will not hold my breath on either.
I am not sure just what Cashman is doing with the pitching staff. He has recently not been good at assembling a staff. Actually he has never been too good at a successful SP staff. The bullpen was almost always good and bailed out the SPs. Now it seems both are a hodgepodge of parts. Until this team starts to develop drafted pitchers into successful pitchers he will be chasing dreams and other teams castoffs.
Still crazy to me he let Kahnle go and then chased other TJS patients....
Kahnle will not pitch in 2021. He wouldn’t have done much good...
Gardy returning. The new guy they got (cannot even remember his name) sort of takes his place.
I agree rather see what Greg Allen can do in the 4th spot than Gardy again. But that's just me.
I am a Gardy fan, that is well known, but if they are cutting ties with Tanaka, it might be the writing on the wall. Tauchman's bat fell apart last year, but Tauchman gives you about what Gardy gave them on the field with a better arm at this point.
are in the market for a RP w/the $$$ saved by moving Ottavino. Unless they can get a LH power bat like Joc Pederson at a discount rate,I have no problem w/them bringing back Gardy. Even at 37,he becomes the Yankees best defensive OF & I think they could sign him at 1 year/$1 million I'm not as optimistic about Tauchman as others on here are,as I don't believe he can do what Gardy can. He got exposed last year at the plate & dependent on what MLB does with roster #'s,he could even be the odd man out!
are in the market for a RP w/the $$$ saved by moving Ottavino. Unless they can get a LH power bat like Joc Pederson at a discount rate,I have no problem w/them bringing back Gardy. Even at 37,he becomes the Yankees best defensive OF & I think they could sign him at 1 year/$1 million I'm not as optimistic about Tauchman as others on here are,as I don't believe he can do what Gardy can. He got exposed last year at the plate & dependent on what MLB does with roster #'s,he could even be the odd man out!
Believe the roster will be 26, unless covid shuts the minors again.
You would think that the DH thing should be settled 1st so that teams can at least try to figure out their rosters and the NL can look for DHs......
RE: RE: Heyman just said on Twitter that the Yanks
are in the market for a RP w/the $$$ saved by moving Ottavino. Unless they can get a LH power bat like Joc Pederson at a discount rate,I have no problem w/them bringing back Gardy. Even at 37,he becomes the Yankees best defensive OF & I think they could sign him at 1 year/$1 million I'm not as optimistic about Tauchman as others on here are,as I don't believe he can do what Gardy can. He got exposed last year at the plate & dependent on what MLB does with roster #'s,he could even be the odd man out!
Believe the roster will be 26, unless covid shuts the minors again.
You would think that the DH thing should be settled 1st so that teams can at least try to figure out their rosters and the NL can look for DHs......
Agree about the DH(If you're a Mets fan,having a DH is huge) & it seems both sides want it,but are too stubborn to compromise in other areas,so that was why MLBPA shot it down yesterday!
are in the market for a RP w/the $$$ saved by moving Ottavino. Unless they can get a LH power bat like Joc Pederson at a discount rate,I have no problem w/them bringing back Gardy. Even at 37,he becomes the Yankees best defensive OF & I think they could sign him at 1 year/$1 million I'm not as optimistic about Tauchman as others on here are,as I don't believe he can do what Gardy can. He got exposed last year at the plate & dependent on what MLB does with roster #'s,he could even be the odd man out!
Interesting would have thought they would go SP but we seem to love to stock up on RP.
Right now with all the risk associated with everyone after Cole....its likely German...young , healthy and has already proven he can be a very good pitcher.
Nothing. It's a salary dump.
An opening on the 40 man roster so we can officially add Kluber.
Nobody...salary dump
Still a little surprised they sent him to Boston though.
At first I really liked that hard slider he had. But when you cant control it its not so much fun.
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Are we getting back?
Nothing. It's a salary dump.
Boston is actually sending a PTNL (or more cash)
Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
That said....I'm of the belief that you give a guy with starter potential every possible opportunity to start before you consign him to the pen, as starters are so much more valuable than relievers. Garcia has the ability, so give him chances. Chad Green, to use a different example, didn't - he's close to a one-pitch guy and was never a good bet to excel as a starter for that reason.
Which, of course, I understand. But Big Stein wouldn't have sat on the sidelines this offseason with the ready to win core the Yanks have.
The Business Of Baseball - ( New Window )
Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.
But, my inner 12 year old Yankee fan demands big FA splash. We need to win this damn thing. I feel like Big Stein would be feeling the same way.
They're being smart and it's hard to complain but I'm left wishing we made a big move to improve the team this year. At least most of our rivals have not improved their rosters.
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Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
That said....I'm of the belief that you give a guy with starter potential every possible opportunity to start before you consign him to the pen, as starters are so much more valuable than relievers. Garcia has the ability, so give him chances. Chad Green, to use a different example, didn't - he's close to a one-pitch guy and was never a good bet to excel as a starter for that reason.
Right. I was thinking of guys like Scott Kazmir and Rich Harden who were nasty but their bodies failed them. The theory holds water tho. You get rare exceptions like Pedro, but for the most part, hard throwing guys with filthy breaking stuff generally cant handle the workload.
I was more or less suggesting that we not have to depend on him stringing together quality starts...use him like German was used for a couple years before he impresswd and became a big time part of the rotation.
You need to have a manager with a)imagination b)major cojones to make something like that work nowadays. Boone is pretty conventional.
Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.
Exactly. I don’t think it’s fair to say Hal is cheap. Hal doesn’t like giving money to his opponents to help them beat the Yankees. The luxury tax is working in that respect. Also when Tampa has a third of the Yankees payroll and is beating the Yankees in the playoffs and winning the division, Hal has to be asking himself why am I spending all this money.
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Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
[i]Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.
no he wouldn't. it was one of the few things he got right. he was the first to rightly complain that teams like KC and Tampa were putting his luxury tax $$ in their pockets and not on the field.
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Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.
[i]Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.
Ron Guidry wasn't a big guy (listed at 5'11", 161 pounds).
So we have two on the board!
Which, of course, I understand. But Big Stein wouldn't have sat on the sidelines this offseason with the ready to win core the Yanks have.
Usually when I review my finances I just look at pre-tax income and one of my big expenditures to paint the entire picture (eye roll).
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Gardy should be getting 2M on a one year deal. I'd be surprised if he gets more than that.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
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fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
Yeah for Boston
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fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
holy shit. he has 9 yankee lives
rich and adamg, Warren is cooked. He was cooked before the time he returned to the Yanks from the Cubs(?). I expect nothing except a look see. Heller is the guy that could do something, he is younger with a better arm. I will not hold my breath on either.
I am not sure just what Cashman is doing with the pitching staff. He has recently not been good at assembling a staff. Actually he has never been too good at a successful SP staff. The bullpen was almost always good and bailed out the SPs. Now it seems both are a hodgepodge of parts. Until this team starts to develop drafted pitchers into successful pitchers he will be chasing dreams and other teams castoffs.
Still crazy to me he let Kahnle go and then chased other TJS patients....
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the money spent on him would be better served elsewhere. I don't think Gardner would garner 3 million on the open market yet the Yanks routinely hand out 8 million dollar overpay deals . If you are on a budget you can't do that
Gardy should be getting 2M on a one year deal. I'd be surprised if he gets more than that.
Now that they have moved Ottavino's salary, I'm thinking
Gardner at about 4 mill...They are done after that.
Still a little surprised they sent him to Boston though.
Just shows that Cashman had a mandate from Hal to get under the cap & must have not had many teams willing to take Ottavino's contract. So Cash was desperate to move him & the Red Sox offered to take it with a prospect included for their troubles!
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fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.
Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.
Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.
Don’t forget that the Yanks signed old friend Adam Warren to a minor league deal this offseason. He had TJ surgery in September 2019 and is reportedly ready to go in Spring Training. Don’t know if he has anything left or can find a few MPH from the surgery, but he is one to watch.
holy shit. he has 9 yankee lives
rich and adamg, Warren is cooked. He was cooked before the time he returned to the Yanks from the Cubs(?). I expect nothing except a look see. Heller is the guy that could do something, he is younger with a better arm. I will not hold my breath on either.
I am not sure just what Cashman is doing with the pitching staff. He has recently not been good at assembling a staff. Actually he has never been too good at a successful SP staff. The bullpen was almost always good and bailed out the SPs. Now it seems both are a hodgepodge of parts. Until this team starts to develop drafted pitchers into successful pitchers he will be chasing dreams and other teams castoffs.
Still crazy to me he let Kahnle go and then chased other TJS patients....
Kahnle will not pitch in 2021. He wouldn’t have done much good...
I agree rather see what Greg Allen can do in the 4th spot than Gardy again. But that's just me.
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Gardy returning. The new guy they got (cannot even remember his name) sort of takes his place.
I agree rather see what Greg Allen can do in the 4th spot than Gardy again. But that's just me.
I am a Gardy fan, that is well known, but if they are cutting ties with Tanaka, it might be the writing on the wall. Tauchman's bat fell apart last year, but Tauchman gives you about what Gardy gave them on the field with a better arm at this point.
I'd be looking for pitching
Believe the roster will be 26, unless covid shuts the minors again.
You would think that the DH thing should be settled 1st so that teams can at least try to figure out their rosters and the NL can look for DHs......
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are in the market for a RP w/the $$$ saved by moving Ottavino. Unless they can get a LH power bat like Joc Pederson at a discount rate,I have no problem w/them bringing back Gardy. Even at 37,he becomes the Yankees best defensive OF & I think they could sign him at 1 year/$1 million I'm not as optimistic about Tauchman as others on here are,as I don't believe he can do what Gardy can. He got exposed last year at the plate & dependent on what MLB does with roster #'s,he could even be the odd man out!
Believe the roster will be 26, unless covid shuts the minors again.
You would think that the DH thing should be settled 1st so that teams can at least try to figure out their rosters and the NL can look for DHs......
Agree about the DH(If you're a Mets fan,having a DH is huge) & it seems both sides want it,but are too stubborn to compromise in other areas,so that was why MLBPA shot it down yesterday!
Interesting would have thought they would go SP but we seem to love to stock up on RP.