NFT: Yankees trade Ottavino to Boston

likely gets a legit prospect in this trade. Solid move for them considering Ottavino could have future trade value himself.

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and money needed to be freed up to get under the luxury tax?

In comment 15133997 HomerJones45 said:

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and money needed to be freed up to get under the luxury tax?

Apparently Gardner (Nightengale).

says the Yankees will look to add pitching. Boston takes back all of Ottavino's deal, Boston likely got a legit top 15 prospect to do so.

German MLB.com had him 24

In comment 15134002 DanMetroMan said:

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says the Yankees will look to add pitching. Boston takes back all of Ottavino's deal, Boston likely got a legit top 15 prospect to do so.

I hope so. We've been penny pinching all winter and it would be awful to waste 9 million on a middling reliever when we already have a plethora of those.

"German placed fifth in NCAA Division I in ERA (1.58) and sixth in WHIP (0.83) in 2018, becoming the highest-drafted pitcher in North Florida history when the Yankees grabbed him in the fourth round. Known more for his advanced feel for pitching in college, he opened eyes when his velocity jumped about 3 mph during his pro debut. He continued to throw hard in his first full season, though he missed a month with shoulder soreness and lacked his usual control.

After working with a 90-95 mph fastball with the Ospreys, German has operated at 94-96 and peaked at 98 with running action as a pro. He also has made progress with his changeup, which has the makings of a solid pitch with some fade and sink but can get too firm at times. He'll need to tighten up his breaking ball to remain a starter and have more success against right-handed hitters, and New York is trying to help him turn his college slurve into more of a true slider.

German's walk rate nearly tripled from 1.5 per nine innings between college and pro ball in 2018 to 4.2 in the Minors last season. He has sound mechanics and a history of repeating them well, so the hope is that he regains his former control, improves his slider and develops into a rotation option. If not, he'll have to make it as a fastball-oriented reliever."

and the writeup of either Fangraphs or MLB doesn't have him worth taking on the 9 mill IMO

That doesn't happen very often.

Well, it was obvious they no longer had any confidence in Ottavino. Pen is starting to look pretty thin now. They clearly are betting that some of the young guys, the Nelsons of the world, can step in and do the job.

I’ll gladly give up Frank German to not have to watch another second of Ottavino in a Yankee uniform

No $$ Changing hands so Red Sox will pay Otto $11M remaining on his deal.


This is great. makes room for Gardy and another reliever with another trade likely coming in as well

at the deadline.

but agree with Greg that the pen is a bit light... was sorry to see Kahnle go.

I liked the arsenal of hard throwers the Yanks had the past few years. Hopefully the brass know what they have in the young'uns.

Loaisiga, Nelson, King, Abreu, Heller....someone. Maybe whoever doesn't get the 5th rotation slot among German, Schmidt, and Garcia.

kicking in 850,000. That will count against their payroll/lux tax considerations.

Alden Gonzalez 100% didn't understand the CBA, tweeted out false information and then had a lame explanation.


Alden Gonzalez
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Yankees not only trading a good player to the Red Sox, but, per @Buster_ESPN
, kicking in an extra $850K seemingly to give them a little extra room under the luxury-tax threshold. Wild.

I subtweeted

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Replying to
@Alden_Gonzalez
and
@Buster_ESPN
@SotoC803
doesn't money included in a trade count AGAINST the Yankees?"


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Poorly worded. Meant they were so interested in getting a little extra room below the CBT threshold that they included money to get this done. Getting more coffee now.

that don't know where the ball is going.

Still a little surprised they sent him to Boston though.

Was not so big. Great move.

Are we getting back?

In comment 15134080 Photoguy said:

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Are we getting back?

Nothing. It's a salary dump.

In comment 15134080 Photoguy said:

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Are we getting back?

An opening on the 40 man roster so we can officially add Kluber.

In comment 15134080 Photoguy said:

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Are we getting back?

Nobody...salary dump

recognizable to people who grew up in the 50's, 60's & 70's. The Yankees gave the Red Sox a healthy pitcher that they paid 9 million dollars last year and a C level prospect so they can try to use his money to buy different players? I liked Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle much better.

Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.

But to have to include a prospect just to get rid of him is crazy. Hal is so fucking cheap.

In comment 15134062 Victor in CT said:

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that don't know where the ball is going. Still a little surprised they sent him to Boston though.

At first I really liked that hard slider he had. But when you cant control it its not so much fun.

In comment 15134084 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15134080 Photoguy said: Quote: Are we getting back? Nothing. It's a salary dump.

Boston is actually sending a PTNL (or more cash)

In comment 15134091 chopperhatch said:

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Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings.

Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.

That said....I'm of the belief that you give a guy with starter potential every possible opportunity to start before you consign him to the pen, as starters are so much more valuable than relievers. Garcia has the ability, so give him chances. Chad Green, to use a different example, didn't - he's close to a one-pitch guy and was never a good bet to excel as a starter for that reason.

they’re getting Tanaka done for a few more years. It would suck to see him go to someone like Toronto.

was sort of a one trick pony. Even when he did control that pitch it seems that hitters eventually figured out how to hit it.

and the giant fork sticking out of his back?

This year it will be 210 or so. He's not cheap he just let's other people make bad choices over and over again.

Which, of course, I understand. But Big Stein wouldn't have sat on the sidelines this offseason with the ready to win core the Yanks have.

in his compromised state allowed for the tear down of Yankee Stadium and field seats in the new sterile soulless mall that cost 1K per ticket. Interesting to me that according to Forbes only 11 MLB hahad less 2019 operating income than the Yankees.
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That chart has no context "Big Stein" in his compromised state allowed for the tear down of Yankee Stadium and field seats in the new sterile soulless mall that cost 1K per ticket. Interesting to me that according to Forbes only 11 MLB had less 2019 operating income than the Yankees.

850,000 to pitch against them. That's what they think of you..."

When George III was around, the salary tax was not anywhere near as onerous as it is now. MLB made it this way specifically to target the Yankees. Yes, a handful of other big-money franchises as well, but let's be honest here - it was conceived primarily as a Yankees tax.

Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.

and yes, the tax was basically targeted right at them. There's a large incentive to stay under the limit. And did not realize that their income was that low.

But, my inner 12 year old Yankee fan demands big FA splash. We need to win this damn thing. I feel like Big Stein would be feeling the same way.

They're being smart and it's hard to complain but I'm left wishing we made a big move to improve the team this year. At least most of our rivals have not improved their rosters.

In comment 15134106 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15134091 chopperhatch said: Quote: Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings. Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off. That said....I'm of the belief that you give a guy with starter potential every possible opportunity to start before you consign him to the pen, as starters are so much more valuable than relievers. Garcia has the ability, so give him chances. Chad Green, to use a different example, didn't - he's close to a one-pitch guy and was never a good bet to excel as a starter for that reason.

Right. I was thinking of guys like Scott Kazmir and Rich Harden who were nasty but their bodies failed them. The theory holds water tho. You get rare exceptions like Pedro, but for the most part, hard throwing guys with filthy breaking stuff generally cant handle the workload.

I was more or less suggesting that we not have to depend on him stringing together quality starts...use him like German was used for a couple years before he impresswd and became a big time part of the rotation.

seem to be fairly rare. Even Mendoza, while he did well as a swingman, apparently disliked it.

You need to have a manager with a)imagination b)major cojones to make something like that work nowadays. Boone is pretty conventional.

In comment 15134206 Greg from LI said:

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When George III was around, the salary tax was not anywhere near as onerous as it is now. MLB made it this way specifically to target the Yankees. Yes, a handful of other big-money franchises as well, but let's be honest here - it was conceived primarily as a Yankees tax. Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.

Exactly. I don’t think it’s fair to say Hal is cheap. Hal doesn’t like giving money to his opponents to help them beat the Yankees. The luxury tax is working in that respect. Also when Tampa has a third of the Yankees payroll and is beating the Yankees in the playoffs and winning the division, Hal has to be asking himself why am I spending all this money.

In comment 15134106 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15134091 chopperhatch said: Quote: Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings. [i]Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off.

Ron Guidry wasn't a big guy (listed at 5'11", 161 pounds).

In comment 15134206 Greg from LI said:

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When George III was around, the salary tax was not anywhere near as onerous as it is now. MLB made it this way specifically to target the Yankees. Yes, a handful of other big-money franchises as well, but let's be honest here - it was conceived primarily as a Yankees tax. Would even Big Stein be copacetic with paying over $100 million to MLB? I really don't think that's something you can just assume.

no he wouldn't. it was one of the few things he got right. he was the first to rightly complain that teams like KC and Tampa were putting his luxury tax $$ in their pockets and not on the field.

trade is a rare "makes sense for both teams" move. Ottavino has very decent odds of being a decent trade piece at the deadline if the Red Sox aren't in the hunt (and German seems to be a "solid" pickup) and the Yankees now have room to operate.

In comment 15134295 Milton said:

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In comment 15134106 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 15134091 chopperhatch said: Quote: Being viewed as a bull pen guy? Small frame might not hold up to his throwing style. Would love to see another Ramiro Mendoza style of pitcher who can eat other line-ups for 2/3 innings. [i]Some people have assumed that he will be unable to hold up as a starter. Me, I think that's a silly assumption. There are little guys who do just fine as starters and big guys (like Dellin Betances) who can't pull it off. Ron Guidry wasn't a big guy (listed at 5'11", 161 pounds).

So we have two on the board!

In comment 15134185 Heisenberg said:

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Which, of course, I understand. But Big Stein wouldn't have sat on the sidelines this offseason with the ready to win core the Yanks have.

Usually when I review my finances I just look at pre-tax income and one of my big expenditures to paint the entire picture (eye roll).

The Yanks aren't even concerned about trading him in-division, because they don't expect the Sox to contend.

fan. He was fine the 1st year until September, then, splat. He sucked last year.

Loaisiga looked almost as good as Green very often last year and I think Green is their most dependable reliever, followed by Britton then Chapman.

Cessa is actually a decent long man. There are young arms available in the system.

I'm glad he got to spend some time as a Yank. He and our middle kid went to high school together in Brooklyn (they were a year apart I think), and it was cool to have someone from the school on the New York Yankees.