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NFT: Mets favorite for Bauer

CMicks3110 : 1/26/2021 10:08 am
Made highest AAV offer


Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
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The #Mets have reportedly made Trevor Bauer an offer that would give him the highest AAV of any player in baseball. In this piece there’s no word on length of deal, other than it is “shorter term”

Mike Trout makes just over $37M per. twitter.com/bnightengale/s…
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Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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NY #Mets emerge as favorites for free agent pitcher Trevor Bauer with record-setting average annual contract offer. https://usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2021/01/26/trevor-bauer-mets-offer-contract/4258036001/
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RE: Dan I get what you are saying but.......  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15135131 bhill410 said:
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Screw Ollie Perez. I don’t think I can root for that guy again. Pseudo happy he has been able to reinvent himself but I want no part of that guy in a Mets uniform again. And I may have been captain of the Ollie train back in 06.


I mean I can't really argue against the way someone FEELS but given his price and numbers vs. lefties I think he'd be a good option. That being said I'd take Rosenthal over every other available RP.
Already announced but now official  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 5:27 pm : link
Ben Zauzmer
@BensOscarMath
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Some personal news: After six wonderful seasons with the Dodgers, culminating in a World Series win, I am very excited to be joining the @Mets
as Director of Baseball Analytics.

(As always, my Twitter account is solely devoted to the Oscars & other award shows, not to baseball.)
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 5:30 pm : link
Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
With J.T. Realmuto taken care of, the Phillies' focus now turns to shortstop -- specifically Andrelton Simmons -- sources tell me and @ToddZolecki
.
To me  
Vanzetti : 1/26/2021 5:32 pm : link
If he called her a slut or any other terms of gender abuse, then it’s a problem.

If he just got into a battle with her, then
He might be a jerk but it is not a huge problem.

A lot of athletes are jerks.
RE: RE: Dan I get what you are saying but.......  
Section331 : 1/26/2021 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15135133 DanMetroMan said:
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I mean I can't really argue against the way someone FEELS but given his price and numbers vs. lefties I think he'd be a good option. That being said I'd take Rosenthal over every other available RP.


I'd have no issue with bringing Ollie back. He was OK v RHB last year, but pretty awful in 2019 (.890 OPS against). With the 3-batter rule, that may be a problem.
Ollie  
KDavies : 1/26/2021 5:36 pm : link
I think Mets fans have PTSD from him. It’s like getting back with a toxic ex. As good as he may look, we don’t want to have to re-live the trauma.
The  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 5:39 pm : link
Mets could really use a Rosenthal or Soria. There is zero reliable length to the pen outside of the big 3. They let Shreve and Wilson go, added May, thus the pen is only marginally better on paper.
I have no issue  
pjcas18 : 1/26/2021 5:40 pm : link
bringing Ollie back, I just hope there are options, so if it doesn't work out he's still not be trotted out there to pitch BP.

he's been good lately and I have no ill will toward him any more.

if he can help the 2020 Mets win, I'd have Luis Castillo on the team or Armando Benitez or Bobby Bonilla (round 3) or Vince Coleman or pick your Met villain.
Brewers  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 5:57 pm : link
also in on Eddie Rosario
RE: I have no issue  
pjcas18 : 1/26/2021 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15135153 pjcas18 said:
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bringing Ollie back, I just hope there are options, so if it doesn't work out he's still not be trotted out there to pitch BP.

he's been good lately and I have no ill will toward him any more.

if he can help the 2020 Mets win, I'd have Luis Castillo on the team or Armando Benitez or Bobby Bonilla (round 3) or Vince Coleman or pick your Met villain.


should say *2021* Mets win
Jays  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 6:09 pm : link
Add Semien. Loading up even more
1  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 6:11 pm : link
Year 18 for Semien
Turner  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 6:15 pm : link
Back to LAD
Ignore what  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 6:19 pm : link
I said on Turner. Misunderstood a tweet
RE: I have no issue  
moze1021 : 1/26/2021 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15135153 pjcas18 said:
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bringing Ollie back, I just hope there are options, so if it doesn't work out he's still not be trotted out there to pitch BP.

he's been good lately and I have no ill will toward him any more.

if he can help the 2020 Mets win, I'd have Luis Castillo on the team or Armando Benitez or Bobby Bonilla (round 3) or Vince Coleman or pick your Met villain.


People don't like Armando??

I always loved Bobby Bo.. and was a HUGE Ollie fan.

Luis Castillo, Kaz Matsui, Robbie Alomar, and Robinson Cano are my least favorite all time.... And I am just NOW noticing the similarity as I type this... Weird.
Simmons to the Twins 1 year deal  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 8:29 pm : link
LaStella to Sf
Reds  
DanMetroMan : 1/26/2021 8:32 pm : link
And Phillies battling for Didi. So much for the Reds being broke and selling off their stars
RE: Simmons to the Twins 1 year deal  
KDavies : 1/26/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15135346 DanMetroMan said:
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LaStella to Sf


LaStella has become quite the player. 27 walks and 12 Ks last year. He’s from another era
Looks like Wilson Ramos  
KDavies : 1/26/2021 9:47 pm : link
Finalizing deal with Tigers
Puma saying if all things are comparable...  
ZGiants98 : 1/26/2021 10:27 pm : link
Bauer will choose Mets.



According to Mike Puma of The New York Post, Trevor Bauer, who is weighing his options for his next contract with spring training three weeks away, would choose to play for the Mets if the offers he receives are comparable.

Remember when the Phillies were allegedly broke  
bhill410 : 1/26/2021 10:41 pm : link
That clearly wasn’t the case.
Maybe Nightengale wasn’t so much as wrong  
Shecky : 1/26/2021 10:42 pm : link
But ‘mislead’?
How accurate have any of the reporters been  
CMicks3110 : 1/26/2021 10:43 pm : link
I haven't seen anyone with a magic 8 ball. I'll believe it when I see it. I do think the Mets interest is genuine, but I can totally see him ending up in LA or SF.
Shecky  
CMicks3110 : 1/26/2021 10:43 pm : link
you've been mentioned as someone who has connections. Any insights on Bauer? Chances?
RE: Shecky  
Shecky : 1/26/2021 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15135461 CMicks3110 said:
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you've been mentioned as someone who has connections. Any insights on Bauer? Chances?

Lol, I got nothing
I know he's getting destroyed but.....  
ZGiants98 : 1/26/2021 11:29 pm : link
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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Free-agent starter Trevor Bauer, who received a lucrative contract formal offer from the #Mets about 10 days ago, would certainly have plenty of marketing opportunities in NY with his social media brand. The Mets are the favorites to land the top starter on the market.
I mean the more I think about this  
Rory : 1/26/2021 11:55 pm : link
Stroman most likely is gone after this season, so as long as Thor and MC gets their extension.

Go get him Sandy
deGrom, Cookie, Bauer, Stroman, Syndergaard  
ZGiants98 : 1/27/2021 12:05 am : link
Will legit be the best rotation Ive ever witnessed in a sea of great Mets rotations in my lifetime if it happens.
2015 was pretty damn good  
CMicks3110 : 1/27/2021 12:14 am : link
...Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard all pitched like legit aces; it's too bad Wheeler at top form couldn't be there.
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CMicks3110 : 1/27/2021 9:32 am : link
Mark Healey
@MarkCHealey
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I've been told that #Angels are still pushing hard for Bauer and owner Arte Moreno may veto his new GM and outbid #Mets no matter what the number might be...
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15135669 CMicks3110 said:
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Mark Healey
@MarkCHealey
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24m
I've been told that #Angels are still pushing hard for Bauer and owner Arte Moreno may veto his new GM and outbid #Mets no matter what the number might be...


Nothing against Mark Healey... but he said moves were going to happen in 1-2 days and... then they didn't. He's a nice guy but doesn't have any special insight.
the Mets/Bauer smoke seems obviously player-side  
Eric on Li : 1/27/2021 11:28 am : link
yesterday once word got out the NYM obviously confirmed that they made a shorter term offer about 10 days ago (which pretty much lines up to the day Springer decided to sign in Toronto). But the NYM have been pretty tight lipped all offseason and it stands to reason the offer didn't leak out right away from Bauer's side because it probably wasn't viewed as all that great. So why now? I'd guess it's an effort to accelerate his market.

Bauer's "preference" for the NYM feels a lot like Springer's "preference" to play close to home in CT. All things equal maybe it's true, but more likely it's a leak with the intention of getting a bigger offer just like Springer ended up getting from Toronto. The NYM showed discipline in the Springer market so we'll see what they do here.

I just hope they aren't missing out on the better depth options on a fool's errand hoping a super star falls into their lap (especially while the Phillies got lucky and had JTR fall into theirs, the Nats got Hand for just 1 year, and Atlanta sniffs around).
Essentially  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 11:32 am : link
Rachel Luba has been desperate to heat up the Bauer market. Some of the writers actively have shot her down (I'm sure other agents openly do the same but the writers, outside of I guess Nightengale aren't biting). Bauer openly lashed out at Heyman (likely in part because of this). Note the quickness some of the writers noted teams xyz were NOT actually in on Puig. Luba is trying to entice the Dodgers/Angels into getting into a bidding war.
Don’t know the whole story  
Shecky : 1/27/2021 12:00 pm : link
But apparently Luba linked Bauer and Puig a bunch of times on Kobe’s anniversary, and that turned off/pissed off some people. I assume more on Puig, but don’t know what that was all about. Apparently she’s rubbed many the wrong way, not sure if legit or the female bias?
Dan  
figgy2989 : 1/27/2021 12:33 pm : link
Is there a baseball writer you don't have an issue with?
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15135912 figgy2989 said:
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Is there a baseball writer you don't have an issue with?


I don't have an issue with MOST writers. Very confused with your question. I don't care for Nightengale, what in my post above is critical of the writers?
Just seems that whenever there is a tweet or rumor that comes out  
figgy2989 : 1/27/2021 12:39 pm : link
You immediately look to shoot it down. Then will go to great lengths to try and discredit them. Just an observation.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:43 pm : link
legit confused now. Where did I critique any of the writers on here? I critiqued Bauer's agent. Care to explain? Bob Nightengale for sure. Otherwise, if anything I praise almost all of these guys. Andy Martino isn't my favorite but I also don't think he's much of a "writer" at this point.
RE: Just seems that whenever there is a tweet or rumor that comes out  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15135919 figgy2989 said:
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You immediately look to shoot it down. Then will go to great lengths to try and discredit them. Just an observation.


Please give me an example outside of notoriously wrong Bob Nightengale (where I also linked "proof" his known for always being wrong).
RE: Just seems that whenever there is a tweet or rumor that comes out  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15135919 figgy2989 said:
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You immediately look to shoot it down. Then will go to great lengths to try and discredit them. Just an observation.


You'd prefer I not note that since Nightengale's story came out it's been noted.

1. The discussions were almost 2 weeks ago
2. Did not include anything involving the highest AAV ever (he himself later retracted that).
3. That his agent has been trying to push information that has been refuted?
Puma  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:46 pm : link
"The Mets’ interest in last year’s National League Cy Young award winner is substantial — Bauer received an offer from the team “weeks ago,” according to an industry source — but will it be enough to secure the right-hander, who sits atop the free-agent pitching market?"
Pivoting - where does everyone land on Bauer?  
bhill410 : 1/27/2021 12:53 pm : link
I am legitimately nervous that his numbers are the result of an increased spin rate that is the result of a banned substance (cough Cole cough) and that once he has a long term contract he will revert.

I am also fairly nervous that his signing prohibits us from signing Thor who I still think will turn it around. That said for short term it would really solidify the team and between the fact that I have a family and the Wilpons being gone I am trying not to consistently freak out over expiring contracts.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:56 pm : link
think Bauer is a trash human being who would 100% help the Mets. I do not believe they sign Bauer. I think he's going to one of the LA teams. If he's even "just" 2018 Bauer he'd be a monster addition. If he's "only" 3 WAR Bauer he's still worth worthly 24 per season.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:59 pm : link
do think Bauer is going to cost them, current players. Conforto is going to get a monster contract, Thor if healthy will too, and that doesn't even count Stroman who would be the #2 FA SP this year.
Geez Dan  
figgy2989 : 1/27/2021 1:11 pm : link
Sensitive much. Just providing an observation from the Mets threads I have seen this past off season.

Didn't mean any offense.

If the tweet was about Ty Kelly  
CMicks3110 : 1/27/2021 1:14 pm : link
He would never say a bad word. Dan was obsessed with that guy. Huge man crush.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 1:20 pm : link
not at all offended, I'm just honestly confused. For the most part I like almost all of the national guys. Nightengale is just wrong so often that he's not really even worth worrying about (in most cases). I don't care for Andy Martino, he's very smug and pushes buttons for no real reason. I like almost all of the known writers.

-Ty Kelly is not a writer for Metsfix apparently
The best argument I have heard AGAINST Bauer  
Shecky : 1/27/2021 1:24 pm : link
Is he is simply a six inning pitcher his entire career.

No matter who you want to try to compare him too (Scherzer/Cole), that is the one thing he does not stack up to in regards to any of the games aces. Even as he got better as a pitcher.

Could also explain why he is proactively trying to convince teams he wants to pitch every 4th day ;)
RE: Pivoting - where does everyone land on Bauer?  
JB_in_DC : 1/27/2021 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15135942 bhill410 said:
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That said for short term it would really solidify the team and between the fact that I have a family and the Wilpons being gone I am trying not to consistently freak out over expiring contracts.


Sounds like a sound approach haha. I'd like to see the team compete while Jake is Jake. And the beauty of baseball is that competing year in and year out for a top payroll team is less about managing the short/mid term financial picture, and more about developing a massive and successful scouting/analytics/development operation. Signing Bauer does not impede that more important longterm process.
RE: The best argument I have heard AGAINST Bauer  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15135984 Shecky said:
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Is he is simply a six inning pitcher his entire career.

No matter who you want to try to compare him too (Scherzer/Cole), that is the one thing he does not stack up to in regards to any of the games aces. Even as he got better as a pitcher.

Could also explain why he is proactively trying to convince teams he wants to pitch every 4th day ;)


In fairness, over the past 2 seasons (45 starts) he's averaged 6.35 innings per start. Over the same 2 seasons he's 3rd in innings so I don't think it's a legitimate gripe. Going back to 2018 he's 6th in innings.... 1 more than... Max Scherzer.
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