is absolutely killing this team. He needs to go. Bring in Gerard Gallant.
It's not all his fault. I only blame him partially for the struggles of Lafreniere. But even putting Jack Johnson back in the lineup is a fireable offense. And he shuffles the lines constantly so there isn't any consistency.
He's just in way over his head. It's time to go for a more experienced coach like Gallant.
It's pretty much the same story every game. Laf doesn't score. Panarin and Zibanejad look absolutely nothing like they did last year. Using Strome way too much and inexplicably on PP1. Fox and Miller impress. Rinse. Repeat.
RE: Quinn seems like a nice guy and easy to root for, but his player usage
is absolutely killing this team. He needs to go. Bring in Gerard Gallant.
It's not all his fault. I only blame him partially for the struggles of Lafreniere. But even putting Jack Johnson back in the lineup is a fireable offense. And he shuffles the lines constantly so there isn't any consistency.
He's just in way over his head. It's time to go for a more experienced coach like Gallant.
Should be a fireable offense too, having an unmotivated piece of shit is pretty bad. Quinn needs to go, the development of the young players is not going well, they should not wait too long.
Jack Johnson was on the ice more than K'Andre Miller tonight
It's pretty much the same story every game. Laf doesn't score.
Yeah, I know he's just a kid and has played just 6 games in his career, but have you noticed those awesome skills he was supposed to possess? He was touted as the next Crosby. I don't see any deft stickhandling, passing or shooting. He loses every board battle (what happened to him playing with an edge?). I'm not saying he should be lighting it up, but I haven't seen a hint of those world class skills yet. And, it's not like he's been buried on the fourth line.
It's my fault for watching :-) The only game I missed is when they
He does seem like a nice guy and I really wanted him to succeed, but it just does not seem like he is going to get the job done. Firing nice guys is always a tough thing to do, but I think it is necessary if this team is going to grow. That face-off number last night was abysmal.
I'm also coming around to the fact that Quinn appears to be in over
It's pretty much the same story every game. Laf doesn't score.
Yeah, I know he's just a kid and has played just 6 games in his career, but have you noticed those awesome skills he was supposed to possess? He was touted as the next Crosby. I don't see any deft stickhandling, passing or shooting. He loses every board battle (what happened to him playing with an edge?). I'm not saying he should be lighting it up, but I haven't seen a hint of those world class skills yet. And, it's not like he's been buried on the fourth line.
This is exactly what I said the other day. Rangers selected two scorers with the #1 and #2 overall picks and have them skating up and down the ice like Jan Erixon. Maybe Quinn should mention they need to score to play. Where are the skills ? Did we draft them to dump the puck in and play on the checking line ? It would be less noticeable if vets were producing but they are not. It's been a real shit show so far.
but as they say, you can't fire the team. The team has had some mind numbing stretches whereby nothing appears to be going right but let's be honest here, the rebuild is a little more than half baked at this point.
I'm certain Quinn didn't call Gorton in the off-season and beg him for Jack Johnson. Personally, I'd rather see Matthew Robertson making the same mistakes but who am I to judge. With respect to the various line combinations and changes, we've heard this complaint about Vigneault for years not to mention every other Ranger head coach for that matter. It's perfectly normal early in the season to move players around especially in a year where nothing is normal. I mean, what did they have, a 3 day training camp?
Last season Panarin, Zibby and Tony D had career years and none of them have looked right. Tony D is about as talented a backliner as you'll find but we all know about his warts defensively and that's compounded by being paired with JJ. Zibby had Covid just before the season started and he doesn't look right including in the faceoff circle where he's typically very solid. Is Panarin concerned Putin's thugs will be waiting for him outside his apartment or hotel? And Kreider? Well, he's Chris Kreider who we all know is as invisible as he is visible. Hell, no veteran has been "noticeable" game in and game out including Strome who was of course the beneficiary of playing on the same line as Panarin.
When you combine the poor start of those that you're supposed to lean on night in and night out with the dreadful goaltending from both Shesterkin and Georgiev, this is what you get.
Any success that we see from Lafreniere largely falls on his adjustment to a men's league and his linemates but I think we should relax a little before proclaiming him a bust. Conversely, Miller has been terrific after the shaky first night. He's the goods and will only get better. Fox is getting it done as is Buchie but let's be honest, the entire team has to start humming on Thursday or the condensed season will have officially gotten away from them even if it is "early". LGR!
he was viewed below both of them, but ahead of Hughes/Kakko and he WILL be a star in the NHL.
it was a good draft to have the #1 pick.
It's funny when people cut Daniel Jones slack because of a zoom based new offense orientation (in his second year), shortened and unique training camp, and not a ton of camp reps and no preseason game.
Think about Lafreniere, he's just 19 years old and had even less.
To me there are 3, the same 3 I keep seeing repeated on this and other NYR threads. Coaching, goaltending, lack of star production. Coming in to the season, I did have concerns with the coaching, but thought this team would have one of the best tandems in the league. Georgiev and Shesterkin have both been below average to start this season. It’s not even necessarily that they’ve been “bad”, except Igor in the last Pens game, but they’re not making the saves we’re seeing goalies on the other end of the ice making. Jarry and Ullmark were making saves on mid level, high level chances that Igor and Georgiev are not making.
Zibanejad, Panarin, Kreider, Strome are all playing significantly worse than we saw last year. Zibanejad’s faceoff percentage is 44.5%, he seems unwilling to battle along the boards, shying away from contact, his shots are not accurate...I have to imagine having COVID right before the season is impacting him. Kreider is doing what Kreider always does, where he’ll go invisible for weeks on end. The flip side of that is when he is playing his best in between those long ineffective stretches, he’s a dangerous player, so hopefully that’s coming soon. Panarin I think has turned the puck over more times through 6 games than he did all of last year. Strome just stinks.
I know this is a young team, but we are supposed to be seeing improvement, that’s really what this year was about. There are still 50 games to go, but if we don’t start seeing them string together some wins soon, Quinn’s seat is going to get real hot, real quick. I know no one knew what Trotz was going to do in 2018 after winning the Cup with Washington, but it is painful to me that David Quinn and Barry Trotz were hired by NY teams in the same offseason, and we wound up with Quinn. He may have had Jack Johnson forced upon him, but it is his decision as to who plays. Jack Johnson being in the lineup immediately makes them a worse team. He’s worse than Staal. He might be the worst defenseman in the league (based on analytics he was last year).
I won’t give up on a season 6 games in, but let’s face it, this division is loaded with good teams. Unless the Rangers string together 5-6 wins in a row at some point, they will fall out of this division race before the end of February. If they do, I at least hope we start to see some positive changes.
Does any actually think Quinn's firing is something
that is imminent or even remotely close to happening? I hear a lot of bloggers and posters saying it, but I have not seen anything sourced to people in the know (like NHL reporters from major news sites or the local beat guys).
RE: Does any actually think Quinn's firing is something
that is imminent or even remotely close to happening? I hear a lot of bloggers and posters saying it, but I have not seen anything sourced to people in the know (like NHL reporters from major news sites or the local beat guys).
I doubt gets fired in season because this is not a season they expected to be real contenders. I think he will be seriously evaluated this off season based on progress of all the top prospects and his in-game coaching.
I can see Quinn getting canned if they're bottom three around game 15-20.
I think they deserved points in all of the last three games, frankly. The stars have been terrible. Outside of Johnson and TDA, I'm not seeing the same defensive lapses I did last year.
My big frustration is seeing our young guns up front look listless and passive (Kakko, Lafreniere). Does that fall on Quinn? I don't know. It's pretty much the entire forward group.
Miller looks like a future All-Star. Fox is going to be one.
going into the season, there really was no way that Quinn would be fired mid-season.
However, you have to start thinking that around game 15-20 or so (almost 30% of this season), if we're still floundering near the bottom of the standings, there will be some serious thought there. It's tough because currently it's the veteran players and goaltenders that are clearly underperforming, when going into the season we would all have said the defense would be the biggest question mark.
There have been some bright spots among the youth, and none brighter than Miller's play currently. Buch, Fox, prior to getting hurt Chytil, Howden, have all looked better than last year. I personally think Kakko has looked better this year as well, and I'm going to exercise patience on Laf. His underlying numbers are strong, and it's his first taste of professional hockey, after a 9 month layoff. It's tough evaluating them when the veterans that are supposed to keep the ship afloat are really struggling.
I think last night was really the first game since Isles Game 1 where we were clearly outplayed, and there was a shocking lack of effort until the last 5-7 minutes. I can't fully fault Quinn for the lack of production from Mika, Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Deangelo, but ultimately the structure and gameplan falls on him, at some point we have to get results.
What I do have gripes with Quinn on are his deployments. How does Jack Johnson go from the press box, to having more TOI than Miller? In that same turn, why is Johnson paired on our first penalty kill line? I'd rather take our chances with Fox (only 55 seconds of PK last night, compared to 2:59 for Johnson), and dare I say Deangelo? These guys can at least skate the puck out of danger. We've also seen lines in the last minute where we're in desperate need of a goal and guys like Howden, Lemiuex, and Di Guiseppe are on, while highly skilled guys like Kakko and Laf are stapled to the bench.
I'm certain Quinn didn't call Gorton in the off-season and beg him for Jack Johnson.
The assumption is that Jacques Martin pushed Quinn to ask them to sign Jack Johnson, since they were both in Pittsburgh last year. Regardless, Quinn is the guy who keeps penciling him into the lineup no matter how poorly he plays.
Regarding Quinn's job security.....John Davidson has abruptly fired a coach in the past. Todd Richards was canned in Columbus after an 0-7 start in 2015, although the circumstances were a bit different. Columbus was a pretty good team that expected to be a playoff contender, where the Rangers really aren't.
that Jack Johnson was there to mentor Miller, Fox, even TDA.
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
that Jack Johnson was there to mentor Miller, Fox, even TDA.
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
I think Chara made it clear he wanted to go to a contender, so I’m not sure this was ever a realistic possibility. I don’t mind them signing Johnson, but he’s clearly the worst D they have and he still gets minutes in the upper teens, and PK time, on a PK that is bottom 5 in the league.
Something that really pissed me off last night about JJ
If he's going to play incessantly because he's a veteran, you'd expect him to at least not take lazy penalties, but the first Sabres goal came with him in the box for a very lazy tripping call.
I'm certain Quinn didn't call Gorton in the off-season and beg him for Jack Johnson.
The assumption is that Jacques Martin pushed Quinn to ask them to sign Jack Johnson, since they were both in Pittsburgh last year. Regardless, Quinn is the guy who keeps penciling him into the lineup no matter how poorly he plays.
Regarding Quinn's job security.....John Davidson has abruptly fired a coach in the past. Todd Richards was canned in Columbus after an 0-7 start in 2015, although the circumstances were a bit different. Columbus was a pretty good team that expected to be a playoff contender, where the Rangers really aren't.
I have is our PP. Last year we were #7 in the NHL at just about 23% on the power play, with Tony Deangelo at the helm. This is his absolute strength, and the driving factor on why he was the #4 scoring DMan in the league last year. Granted we're in such a small sample size, and Quinn's benched him, but he's the #3 defender on this team in PP ice time to date. I know Fox is playing extremely well, and it's tough to take that away from him, but why change something that was so clearly working. We're currently 4-26 on the man advantage, with Trouba getting more PP time than Tony. I'd love to bump him back up to the PP1 and get his swagger back.
I mean, there are the obvious ones like Johnson, or his bizarre attachment to Brett Howden, but the lines don't make much sense either. What on earth is Panarin going to do with Phil DiGiuseppi and Strome? And don't get me wrong - I actually like PDG, he's a solid 4th line mucker who knows his role, throws some hits, and doesn't try to do too much - but playing him on Panarin's line is absurd. As previously noted, why would you remove TDA from the PP? It's by FAR the strongest part of his game! Why dress Rooney, who is only in the league for his defense, and not put him on the PK, which is terrible? Why does Strome play more minutes than any forwards other than Panarin and Zibanejad - what is he bringing to the table? The jig is up - watch when Strome is out with Breadman. Opponents swarm Panarin and ignore Strome because they have very little to fear from him.
There just does not seem to be any plan at all. It looks like Quinn just randomly shuffles things so that he can say he's doing something, while still keeping guys like Howden and Johnson in the lineup.
gripe now that you mention it is we trade a fairly well regarded prospect in Joey Keane to get Gauthier, and in the first few games I thought he and his line looked pretty strong, and he was noticeable on a few of his power drives to the crease. I also thought he fared well in the bubble too.
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
If the Rangers decide Quinn isn't the guy, there's enough coaching talent out there today that they should make a move fairly quickly IMO.
Gerard Gallant is by far the best option. Maybe Darryl Sutter or Ken Hitchcock if you want that kind of veteran guy. Fuck no to Babcock or Boudreau. But I don't know how coaching hires will work during this season. Do new hires need to quarantine like players traded?
In comment 15135947 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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gripe now that you mention it is we trade a fairly well regarded prospect in Joey Keane to get Gauthier, and in the first few games I thought he and his line looked pretty strong, and he was noticeable on a few of his power drives to the crease. I also thought he fared well in the bubble too.
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
Gauthier actually has played well for the Rangers despite not getting any points (going back to when he was acquired). He drives plays and draws penalties. He just doesn't finish.
I get that Keane was part of a logjam among RH defensive prospects with Miller and Lundqvist, but still - if Gauthier is who you gave him up for, give him a chance!
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gripe now that you mention it is we trade a fairly well regarded prospect in Joey Keane to get Gauthier, and in the first few games I thought he and his line looked pretty strong, and he was noticeable on a few of his power drives to the crease. I also thought he fared well in the bubble too.
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
Gauthier actually has played well for the Rangers despite not getting any points (going back to when he was acquired). He drives plays and draws penalties. He just doesn't finish.
My bad. He actually has two points (two assistants) since being acquired
In comment 15135947 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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gripe now that you mention it is we trade a fairly well regarded prospect in Joey Keane to get Gauthier, and in the first few games I thought he and his line looked pretty strong, and he was noticeable on a few of his power drives to the crease. I also thought he fared well in the bubble too.
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
Gauthier actually has played well for the Rangers despite not getting any points (going back to when he was acquired). He drives plays and draws penalties. He just doesn't finish.
My bad. He actually has two points (two assistants) since being acquired
Will be given more time to get this team going, he is not going to be fired next week, but if he does not get this team on tr right track, plus get the young forwards doing nothing to start playing better and get them more involved then he is failing to develop the kids and develop chemistry on the team. I am not going to put a number on it, but if this continues to flounder abd we are halfway through,don't you think getting the right guy here and get this turned around should start as soon as possible. Once its believed Quinn is not tve answer then there is no longer any point to keep him. Even if you have to wait until tbe off season to get you man here, once your convinced Quinn is not doing tbe job then its time.
that Jack Johnson was there to mentor Miller, Fox, even TDA.
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
I think mentors are wildly overrated. What's wrong with Trouba as a mentor?
I think mentors might make sense if you have someone with otherworldly expectations (e.g., Mario mentoring Sidney). Otherwise, I think it's silly.
want Gallant need to probably move quickly, I believe he's the favorite for the Seattle job.
I don't know when Seattle can name a coach, if it's now, clock is already ticking - I know he and Francis had at least one "meeting", if it's after their final $$$ installment is made the clock will soon be ticking. - after the final installment is made is when they can officially begin to conduct hockey transactions and that is expected in early 2021.
that Jack Johnson was there to mentor Miller, Fox, even TDA.
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
I think mentors are wildly overrated. What's wrong with Trouba as a mentor?
I think mentors might make sense if you have someone with otherworldly expectations (e.g., Mario mentoring Sidney). Otherwise, I think it's silly.
Do you have a better theory? We've all seen Jack Johnson play, and as much as I empathize with his plight, he looks like the corpse of Jack Johnson and it wasn't sudden.
If we see it, you know the Rangers brass sees it. So how else do you explain it?
No, pj, sorry I wasn't clear - I'm not pushing back against anything you said. I definitely believe teams sign shitty players as mentors. I was pushing back against the idea that mentors are all that useful.
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I'm certain Quinn didn't call Gorton in the off-season and beg him for Jack Johnson.
The assumption is that Jacques Martin pushed Quinn to ask them to sign Jack Johnson, since they were both in Pittsburgh last year. Regardless, Quinn is the guy who keeps penciling him into the lineup no matter how poorly he plays.
You couldn't possibly think Gorton went out of his way to sign JJ only to have Quinn repeatedly bench him less than 10 games in, did you? Sure, he scratched him once and perhaps we'll see a slow eroding of his ice time and/or someone inserted into the lineup in his place, but to sign a guy then not play him this early in the season? That's just not how it realistically works.
We get it, you don't like Quinn and have been calling for his ouster since last year which is less than 2 years into his tenure, not to mention year 3 of a rebuild. While Quinn may not be the guy to get them to the promise land, he has done all he can with the tools he's been given. I agree with you're assessments 99% of the time on this board but you've been watching the Rangers long enough to know they're far from a finished product. It's all part of the PRO-cess!
No, pj, sorry I wasn't clear - I'm not pushing back against anything you said. I definitely believe teams sign shitty players as mentors. I was pushing back against the idea that mentors are all that useful.
Oh, yeah, I agree. waste of a roster spot, have you seen any of my Alex Tanney comments? At this point I mostly comment on Tanney mainly to rile up the "I don't know why he bothers you so much" brigade, but I think you need a captain or leadership on the team - I believe that strongly - but I don't think it needs to cost a roster spot and come with shitty play.
No, pj, sorry I wasn't clear - I'm not pushing back against anything you said. I definitely believe teams sign shitty players as mentors. I was pushing back against the idea that mentors are all that useful.
Oh, yeah, I agree. waste of a roster spot, have you seen any of my Alex Tanney comments? At this point I mostly comment on Tanney mainly to rile up the "I don't know why he bothers you so much" brigade, but I think you need a captain or leadership on the team - I believe that strongly - but I don't think it needs to cost a roster spot and come with shitty play.
It's not all his fault. I only blame him partially for the struggles of Lafreniere. But even putting Jack Johnson back in the lineup is a fireable offense. And he shuffles the lines constantly so there isn't any consistency.
He's just in way over his head. It's time to go for a more experienced coach like Gallant.
It's pretty much the same story every game. Laf doesn't score. Panarin and Zibanejad look absolutely nothing like they did last year. Using Strome way too much and inexplicably on PP1. Fox and Miller impress. Rinse. Repeat.
It's not all his fault. I only blame him partially for the struggles of Lafreniere. But even putting Jack Johnson back in the lineup is a fireable offense. And he shuffles the lines constantly so there isn't any consistency.
He's just in way over his head. It's time to go for a more experienced coach like Gallant.
I fully agree. Quinn is not the answer.
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It's pretty much the same story every game. Laf doesn't score.
Yeah, I know he's just a kid and has played just 6 games in his career, but have you noticed those awesome skills he was supposed to possess? He was touted as the next Crosby. I don't see any deft stickhandling, passing or shooting. He loses every board battle (what happened to him playing with an edge?). I'm not saying he should be lighting it up, but I haven't seen a hint of those world class skills yet. And, it's not like he's been buried on the fourth line.
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a full game. Big guys MIA
It's pretty much the same story every game. Laf doesn't score.
Yeah, I know he's just a kid and has played just 6 games in his career, but have you noticed those awesome skills he was supposed to possess? He was touted as the next Crosby. I don't see any deft stickhandling, passing or shooting. He loses every board battle (what happened to him playing with an edge?). I'm not saying he should be lighting it up, but I haven't seen a hint of those world class skills yet. And, it's not like he's been buried on the fourth line.
This is exactly what I said the other day. Rangers selected two scorers with the #1 and #2 overall picks and have them skating up and down the ice like Jan Erixon. Maybe Quinn should mention they need to score to play. Where are the skills ? Did we draft them to dump the puck in and play on the checking line ? It would be less noticeable if vets were producing but they are not. It's been a real shit show so far.
I'm certain Quinn didn't call Gorton in the off-season and beg him for Jack Johnson. Personally, I'd rather see Matthew Robertson making the same mistakes but who am I to judge. With respect to the various line combinations and changes, we've heard this complaint about Vigneault for years not to mention every other Ranger head coach for that matter. It's perfectly normal early in the season to move players around especially in a year where nothing is normal. I mean, what did they have, a 3 day training camp?
Last season Panarin, Zibby and Tony D had career years and none of them have looked right. Tony D is about as talented a backliner as you'll find but we all know about his warts defensively and that's compounded by being paired with JJ. Zibby had Covid just before the season started and he doesn't look right including in the faceoff circle where he's typically very solid. Is Panarin concerned Putin's thugs will be waiting for him outside his apartment or hotel? And Kreider? Well, he's Chris Kreider who we all know is as invisible as he is visible. Hell, no veteran has been "noticeable" game in and game out including Strome who was of course the beneficiary of playing on the same line as Panarin.
When you combine the poor start of those that you're supposed to lean on night in and night out with the dreadful goaltending from both Shesterkin and Georgiev, this is what you get.
Any success that we see from Lafreniere largely falls on his adjustment to a men's league and his linemates but I think we should relax a little before proclaiming him a bust. Conversely, Miller has been terrific after the shaky first night. He's the goods and will only get better. Fox is getting it done as is Buchie but let's be honest, the entire team has to start humming on Thursday or the condensed season will have officially gotten away from them even if it is "early". LGR!
or McDavid.
he was viewed below both of them, but ahead of Hughes/Kakko and he WILL be a star in the NHL.
it was a good draft to have the #1 pick.
It's funny when people cut Daniel Jones slack because of a zoom based new offense orientation (in his second year), shortened and unique training camp, and not a ton of camp reps and no preseason game.
Think about Lafreniere, he's just 19 years old and had even less.
He will be great and you need patience.
Zibanejad, Panarin, Kreider, Strome are all playing significantly worse than we saw last year. Zibanejad’s faceoff percentage is 44.5%, he seems unwilling to battle along the boards, shying away from contact, his shots are not accurate...I have to imagine having COVID right before the season is impacting him. Kreider is doing what Kreider always does, where he’ll go invisible for weeks on end. The flip side of that is when he is playing his best in between those long ineffective stretches, he’s a dangerous player, so hopefully that’s coming soon. Panarin I think has turned the puck over more times through 6 games than he did all of last year. Strome just stinks.
I know this is a young team, but we are supposed to be seeing improvement, that’s really what this year was about. There are still 50 games to go, but if we don’t start seeing them string together some wins soon, Quinn’s seat is going to get real hot, real quick. I know no one knew what Trotz was going to do in 2018 after winning the Cup with Washington, but it is painful to me that David Quinn and Barry Trotz were hired by NY teams in the same offseason, and we wound up with Quinn. He may have had Jack Johnson forced upon him, but it is his decision as to who plays. Jack Johnson being in the lineup immediately makes them a worse team. He’s worse than Staal. He might be the worst defenseman in the league (based on analytics he was last year).
I won’t give up on a season 6 games in, but let’s face it, this division is loaded with good teams. Unless the Rangers string together 5-6 wins in a row at some point, they will fall out of this division race before the end of February. If they do, I at least hope we start to see some positive changes.
I doubt gets fired in season because this is not a season they expected to be real contenders. I think he will be seriously evaluated this off season based on progress of all the top prospects and his in-game coaching.
I think they deserved points in all of the last three games, frankly. The stars have been terrible. Outside of Johnson and TDA, I'm not seeing the same defensive lapses I did last year.
My big frustration is seeing our young guns up front look listless and passive (Kakko, Lafreniere). Does that fall on Quinn? I don't know. It's pretty much the entire forward group.
Miller looks like a future All-Star. Fox is going to be one.
I'm happy to be patient.
However, you have to start thinking that around game 15-20 or so (almost 30% of this season), if we're still floundering near the bottom of the standings, there will be some serious thought there. It's tough because currently it's the veteran players and goaltenders that are clearly underperforming, when going into the season we would all have said the defense would be the biggest question mark.
There have been some bright spots among the youth, and none brighter than Miller's play currently. Buch, Fox, prior to getting hurt Chytil, Howden, have all looked better than last year. I personally think Kakko has looked better this year as well, and I'm going to exercise patience on Laf. His underlying numbers are strong, and it's his first taste of professional hockey, after a 9 month layoff. It's tough evaluating them when the veterans that are supposed to keep the ship afloat are really struggling.
I think last night was really the first game since Isles Game 1 where we were clearly outplayed, and there was a shocking lack of effort until the last 5-7 minutes. I can't fully fault Quinn for the lack of production from Mika, Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Deangelo, but ultimately the structure and gameplan falls on him, at some point we have to get results.
What I do have gripes with Quinn on are his deployments. How does Jack Johnson go from the press box, to having more TOI than Miller? In that same turn, why is Johnson paired on our first penalty kill line? I'd rather take our chances with Fox (only 55 seconds of PK last night, compared to 2:59 for Johnson), and dare I say Deangelo? These guys can at least skate the puck out of danger. We've also seen lines in the last minute where we're in desperate need of a goal and guys like Howden, Lemiuex, and Di Guiseppe are on, while highly skilled guys like Kakko and Laf are stapled to the bench.
The assumption is that Jacques Martin pushed Quinn to ask them to sign Jack Johnson, since they were both in Pittsburgh last year. Regardless, Quinn is the guy who keeps penciling him into the lineup no matter how poorly he plays.
Regarding Quinn's job security.....John Davidson has abruptly fired a coach in the past. Todd Richards was canned in Columbus after an 0-7 start in 2015, although the circumstances were a bit different. Columbus was a pretty good team that expected to be a playoff contender, where the Rangers really aren't.
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
I think Chara made it clear he wanted to go to a contender, so I’m not sure this was ever a realistic possibility. I don’t mind them signing Johnson, but he’s clearly the worst D they have and he still gets minutes in the upper teens, and PK time, on a PK that is bottom 5 in the league.
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I'm certain Quinn didn't call Gorton in the off-season and beg him for Jack Johnson.
The assumption is that Jacques Martin pushed Quinn to ask them to sign Jack Johnson, since they were both in Pittsburgh last year. Regardless, Quinn is the guy who keeps penciling him into the lineup no matter how poorly he plays.
Regarding Quinn's job security.....John Davidson has abruptly fired a coach in the past. Todd Richards was canned in Columbus after an 0-7 start in 2015, although the circumstances were a bit different. Columbus was a pretty good team that expected to be a playoff contender, where the Rangers really aren't.
Davidson didn’t hire Quinn either.
There just does not seem to be any plan at all. It looks like Quinn just randomly shuffles things so that he can say he's doing something, while still keeping guys like Howden and Johnson in the lineup.
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
Gerard Gallant is by far the best option. Maybe Darryl Sutter or Ken Hitchcock if you want that kind of veteran guy. Fuck no to Babcock or Boudreau. But I don't know how coaching hires will work during this season. Do new hires need to quarantine like players traded?
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
Gauthier actually has played well for the Rangers despite not getting any points (going back to when he was acquired). He drives plays and draws penalties. He just doesn't finish.
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gripe now that you mention it is we trade a fairly well regarded prospect in Joey Keane to get Gauthier, and in the first few games I thought he and his line looked pretty strong, and he was noticeable on a few of his power drives to the crease. I also thought he fared well in the bubble too.
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
Gauthier actually has played well for the Rangers despite not getting any points (going back to when he was acquired). He drives plays and draws penalties. He just doesn't finish.
My bad. He actually has two points (two assistants) since being acquired
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gripe now that you mention it is we trade a fairly well regarded prospect in Joey Keane to get Gauthier, and in the first few games I thought he and his line looked pretty strong, and he was noticeable on a few of his power drives to the crease. I also thought he fared well in the bubble too.
Granted Digiuseppe has played really well, and Blackwell has shown nicely in his 2 games, why didn't Gauthier get the same leash? It would be nice to know what we have before we have to expose him in the draft, and as of now, it's looking like he'd be an exposed player. At only 23 years old, there's still more to see from him. I'd love for him to get back on the ice. The potential for 23 year old Gauthier is way more than what I believe the upside of 27 year old Digiuseppe and Blackwell is, which I think they are currently playing at their ceiling.
Gauthier actually has played well for the Rangers despite not getting any points (going back to when he was acquired). He drives plays and draws penalties. He just doesn't finish.
My bad. He actually has two points (two assistants) since being acquired
*assists
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
I think mentors are wildly overrated. What's wrong with Trouba as a mentor?
I think mentors might make sense if you have someone with otherworldly expectations (e.g., Mario mentoring Sidney). Otherwise, I think it's silly.
I don't know when Seattle can name a coach, if it's now, clock is already ticking - I know he and Francis had at least one "meeting", if it's after their final $$$ installment is made the clock will soon be ticking. - after the final installment is made is when they can officially begin to conduct hockey transactions and that is expected in early 2021.
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that Jack Johnson was there to mentor Miller, Fox, even TDA.
I didn't think he'd see the ice so much, but either way he has a good track record in this area.
I don't know that Johnson deserves "credit" but he was in LA when they brought up Drew Doughty, CBJ with Seth Jones and Zach Werenski and he just left PIT where John Marino looks like a budding top line D.
I do think Trouba will eventually be this guy and Johnson is signed only for one year at league min.
If I'm right, the Rangers should have signed Chara, but I doubt he wanted to come to a rebuild at 75 years old.
Anyway, just a theory. Kind of like the Rangers own Alex Tanney, only Johnson is on the ice not just "in the room".
I think mentors are wildly overrated. What's wrong with Trouba as a mentor?
I think mentors might make sense if you have someone with otherworldly expectations (e.g., Mario mentoring Sidney). Otherwise, I think it's silly.
Do you have a better theory? We've all seen Jack Johnson play, and as much as I empathize with his plight, he looks like the corpse of Jack Johnson and it wasn't sudden.
If we see it, you know the Rangers brass sees it. So how else do you explain it?
[quote] In comment 15135579 Stufftherun said:
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I'm certain Quinn didn't call Gorton in the off-season and beg him for Jack Johnson.
The assumption is that Jacques Martin pushed Quinn to ask them to sign Jack Johnson, since they were both in Pittsburgh last year. Regardless, Quinn is the guy who keeps penciling him into the lineup no matter how poorly he plays.
You couldn't possibly think Gorton went out of his way to sign JJ only to have Quinn repeatedly bench him less than 10 games in, did you? Sure, he scratched him once and perhaps we'll see a slow eroding of his ice time and/or someone inserted into the lineup in his place, but to sign a guy then not play him this early in the season? That's just not how it realistically works.
We get it, you don't like Quinn and have been calling for his ouster since last year which is less than 2 years into his tenure, not to mention year 3 of a rebuild. While Quinn may not be the guy to get them to the promise land, he has done all he can with the tools he's been given. I agree with you're assessments 99% of the time on this board but you've been watching the Rangers long enough to know they're far from a finished product. It's all part of the PRO-cess!
Oh, yeah, I agree. waste of a roster spot, have you seen any of my Alex Tanney comments? At this point I mostly comment on Tanney mainly to rile up the "I don't know why he bothers you so much" brigade, but I think you need a captain or leadership on the team - I believe that strongly - but I don't think it needs to cost a roster spot and come with shitty play.
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No, pj, sorry I wasn't clear - I'm not pushing back against anything you said. I definitely believe teams sign shitty players as mentors. I was pushing back against the idea that mentors are all that useful.
Oh, yeah, I agree. waste of a roster spot, have you seen any of my Alex Tanney comments? At this point I mostly comment on Tanney mainly to rile up the "I don't know why he bothers you so much" brigade, but I think you need a captain or leadership on the team - I believe that strongly - but I don't think it needs to cost a roster spot and come with shitty play.
Lol, yes.
Tanney is the future of the Giants.
Gauthier is still a healthy scratch. Chytil is obviously out. Igor in net. The top-2 lines:
Laf-Zibanejad-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Blackwell
Panarin has been terrible all season, but playing with Strome and Blackwell won't get him back on track.