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nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:09 am
Knicks are 8-11, just after the quarter mark of the season and finished their "hard" part kf the schedule. Now a bunch of home games to finish the first half of thr season.

Better start then anyone of us have thought.

Randle: Looks a little tired towards the end of the road trip, but still playing well, 22 10 and 5 on the season. Turnovers still an issue, need another guy to take the pressure off of him and Rj.

Rj Barrett: Rough start to the season, i was as hard on him as anyone on here, but he has really started to play good consistent basketball. Not settling for 3, making the wide open ones. Still has some things to work on but playing very well as the number 2.

Immanuel Quickley: Still a little up and down, he is a bit of chucker but you love it when his shot is falling and i think it will fall more than it wont. He is not a true point guard but in todays NBA he can play the 1. I look for him to keep getting more minutes.

Mitchell Robinson: Good shot blocker, good rebounder, everything else meh. I think he is good at what he is, i dont think he is some untouchable player, in todays NBA you wonder whats his role..

Obi Toppin: injury has hurt him trying to find his spot on this team, you see moments and go damn and then you see moments and go WTF? & gt; do think his jumper will be mlre reliable as he gets more comfortable, need a point guard to unlock him.

Nerlens Noel: Good for ehat he is, back up big, has some moments you shake your head, but in his role he has value.

Austin Rivers: This is him, some games you are like how is he making on 3 million and some games you are going to say thank god it is only 3 million. I think he brings value to this team and i think he should start at point until Quickley is ready.

Alec Burks: Injiry hurt him and this team, he was rolling to start the season, best 3 point shooter on this team, and hopefully as he gets going again we see that player from thr start.

Elfrid, Knox, Bullock: Go the fuck away.

I expect trade rumors to start swirling because i think Rose and Thibs do not want to give up on this season and as long as they are close to the playoffs, they will make moves to help make this team better, i dont see selling off of vets
Much better season than any of us could have expected  
adamg : 1/27/2021 8:13 am : link
Hopefully we see Quickley and Toppin progress...
Knox just seems so passive  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/27/2021 8:21 am : link
he has a good three point shot but seems to wait around for things to happen
With knox  
GMEN46 : 1/27/2021 8:25 am : link
It’s just like any young players. He needs time. He was rolling when he was sticking with the right corner three but he is not gray from other parts of the three point line. I think Knox still has the upside to be a solid nba player but it’s going to take at least 2-3 more years before you see some consistency. At that point he will be 23-24 years old. He is way too young to give up on
16 Sums it up nicely!  
Carl in CT : 1/27/2021 8:29 am : link
If you don’t mind may I add something to the “Go the fuck away”? Let’s throw in DSJ and Frank. I’m just sick of them holding roster spots. Just my humble opinion.
RE: With knox  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15135586 GMEN46 said:
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It’s just like any young players. He needs time. He was rolling when he was sticking with the right corner three but he is not gray from other parts of the three point line. I think Knox still has the upside to be a solid nba player but it’s going to take at least 2-3 more years before you see some consistency. At that point he will be 23-24 years old. He is way too young to give up on


So you want to give him 6 or 7 years to develop? So that means you want to resign him as well?

Sorry i can find 10 or 15 Kevin Knox type players in the NBA, no thank you
Better start than I anticipated.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2021 8:54 am : link
Arrow is pointing up.
RE: RE: With knox  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2021 8:54 am : link
In comment 15135594 nygiants16 said:
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It’s just like any young players. He needs time. He was rolling when he was sticking with the right corner three but he is not gray from other parts of the three point line. I think Knox still has the upside to be a solid nba player but it’s going to take at least 2-3 more years before you see some consistency. At that point he will be 23-24 years old. He is way too young to give up on



So you want to give him 6 or 7 years to develop? So that means you want to resign him as well?

Sorry i can find 10 or 15 Kevin Knox type players in the NBA, no thank you


However many years left he has on his rookie deal is fine. If he's not showing something by then you move on.
For someone  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 8:56 am : link
who cares so much about his "track record", standing by Frank and Knox right now is certainly a bold stance.
What is the package you are willing to give up  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 9:00 am : link
to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York
Knox Needs Coaching  
Samiam : 1/27/2021 9:00 am : link
He needs coaching, he needs a system and he needs a role. To write him off now is not smart. I think he had a year under Calipari and a few years in an incompetent organization with the Knicks. He is now working for a professional coach but under unusual circumstances because of covid. And, like mentioned above, he is very young. If after a period of time, Thibs has no use for him, that would be different. But that doesn’t seem to be the case.
Top Ten  
GMEN46 : 1/27/2021 9:01 am : link
I agree, I think there is a good chance we won’t see that development on the Knicks. I’m optimistic for him because he can shoot from the outside and he has the capability to get around defenders he just can’t figure out how to finish and he has no floater or pull up jumper yet. He also has the size to eventually learn a post up game and he is athletic. He is putting effort in on defense and besides the 1 or 2 stupid fouls a game the defense is vastly improved and can get better. He seems to be a hard worker, but I would agree woth most he lacks intensity, but I think that comes with a a lack of confidence. He needs to be confident that he belongs on the floor. I think down the road he will be one of these guys that will develop into a good player but it’s years away.
Knox  
TyreeHelmet : 1/27/2021 9:04 am : link
So you have to wait to year 6 or 7 on him? That's pretty ridiculous.

I'm sorry I just don't see it with Knox. He just seems like he doesn't care that much. There are times where he is just invisible out there. And if he's not taking and hitting those 3s, what else is he doing for you?

Knicks fans love to hold on to guys who were drafted high. But at some point you are who you are in the league and its time to move on. I'm not asking him to be an all star in year 3, but he should be able to start and earn significant minutes on this team.

RE: What is the package you are willing to give up  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15135616 nygiants16 said:
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York


RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.

I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
Jon in nyc  
GMEN46 : 1/27/2021 9:09 am : link
You must wake up everyday just excited to see what I post. Obviously my points won’t be able to be proven now, but in time maybe they will and maybe they won’t. I think Frank and knox will prove to be worthy nba players. I have never said superstars, solid players. I think people expect these players to come in and make an impact like ja Morant and it’s just not realistic. Let’s see where these players are when they are 25/26 years old. As for my track record neither one of these players were my first choice in their respective drafts, I have seen enough things from both that lead me to believe with further development they can both be good players in the league. Think about the emotions of the people on this board everyone loved knox 2 weeks ago and it was all compliments and now we ego even hates him again. He is doing exactly what a 21 year old player would normally do in the nba showing inconsistency
Tyree your not reading my post correctly  
GMEN46 : 1/27/2021 9:11 am : link
I’m not saying the Knicks will be the ones to see it happen. He will end up playing somewhere else by the time he develops. He should have stayed in college for 3 years but he didn’t and now he has to fight for minutes Playing here then playing 35 a night in college.
RE: Top Ten  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 9:11 am : link
In comment 15135618 GMEN46 said:
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I agree, I think there is a good chance we won’t see that development on the Knicks. I’m optimistic for him because he can shoot from the outside and he has the capability to get around defenders he just can’t figure out how to finish and he has no floater or pull up jumper yet. He also has the size to eventually learn a post up game and he is athletic. He is putting effort in on defense and besides the 1 or 2 stupid fouls a game the defense is vastly improved and can get better. He seems to be a hard worker, but I would agree woth most he lacks intensity, but I think that comes with a a lack of confidence. He needs to be confident that he belongs on the floor. I think down the road he will be one of these guys that will develop into a good player but it’s years away.


I also think he just doesnt understand the game, his basketball iq is absolutely terrible.

1st half Rivers is rolling, everyone who has played basketball knows you get the hot hand the ball until the hot hand goes away because off of that teams start to double and you will get easier shots.

Instead Knox looks him off to drive into Gobert who blocks his shot, stuff like that shows he doesnt understand..

another play it is a loose ball and has a chance to control the ball, instead tries to tip it, Jazz steal it, then Knox chases the guy down and gives up an and 1..

It is jist stupid play after stupid play, and hitting a couple of 3s every 4 or 5 games is not worth it
something is off with Mitch  
Enzo : 1/27/2021 9:11 am : link
he's not showing the same explosion as last year. Last night, Rudy was a monster in the paint (18/19) while Mitch only put up a 7/7. Could it be that injury from the Pistons game is still lingering?

Big picture, I get it while they have Mitch and/or Noel out there the whole game. But our offense is really bad. I wouldn't mind seeing some lineups with Randle at center surrounded by as much shooting (ha!) we can throw out there.
RE: RE: What is the package you are willing to give up  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15135625 Jon in NYC said:
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York



RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.

I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.


Yup something like this i think would get it done:

Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..
My Thoughts  
Pete44 : 1/27/2021 9:13 am : link
Randle - I'll give credit where it is due, he has played well and more importantly he plays hard.

RJ - I like this guy more than most and I think he will keep improving. He needs a PG that will pass him the ball.

Mitch - A bit an enigma

Knox - Guy has talent, it is a head game with him

Quickley - He has some Steph Curry in him, let's see if he can there

Toppin - Very disappointing to me, he reminds me too much of Kenny Walker

Payton - Not sure there is a player I have ever disliked more with the Knicks

Rivers/Bullock - taking time away from players that need it

Thibs - A huge difference with a real coach.

The rest of players are pretty irrelevant including Frank.

I watch Dallas every night to see what that pick could be, they win games they should lose and lose games they should win, but Doncic looks frustrated.

The Knicks just need a point guard in the worst way...
Bottom line is, the Knicks finally have a coach..  
Sean : 1/27/2021 9:16 am : link
This team is now at least respectable and will be more desirable for prospective free agents. Very strong start.
RE: RE: RE: What is the package you are willing to give up  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 9:16 am : link
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York



RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.

I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.



Yup something like this i think would get it done:

Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..


I think the four firsts is steep, but given what other people may offer that may be what it takes. I'm fine with the four players, but if they're getting four guys I'd only give a pick or two.
I think I read that Knox had been a football player and came to  
Del Shofner : 1/27/2021 9:17 am : link
basketball relatively late. And this was viewed as a good thing because he was going to be a late bloomer whose potential had not yet been tapped. But the more I watch him play, the more I think it was a bad thing because Knox just does not have basketball IQ. He never seems to have his head fully in the game. I'd try to get something for him, but let him go to someone who might want him.
Man, Beal is exactly what this team needs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2021 9:25 am : link
And keeping him away from Miami would be even sweeter.
RE: RE: RE: What is the package you are willing to give up  
rich in DC : 1/27/2021 9:54 am : link
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York



RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.

I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.



Yup something like this i think would get it done:

Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..


Can’t trade consecutive firsts. The Wiz have a full roster and likely would want parts that they themselves can later trade to add a star who can play with Westbrook. Beal needs the ball but so does Russ.

RJ and Russ might not be able to co-exist. They already have a much better Knox in Bertrans. Frank doesn’t move the needle for anyone, except as a potential change of scenery lotto ticket.

If the Wiz want to trade Beal (who makes over $28M), you would need to start with Randle, RJ, Quickley, probably both 1st rounders this year, 1st in 2023, multiple options to swap draft spots- and even that might not be enough.
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Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 9:59 am : link
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Can’t trade consecutive firsts. The Wiz have a full roster and likely would want parts that they themselves can later trade to add a star who can play with Westbrook. Beal needs the ball but so does Russ.

RJ and Russ might not be able to co-exist. They already have a much better Knox in Bertrans. Frank doesn’t move the needle for anyone, except as a potential change of scenery lotto ticket.

If the Wiz want to trade Beal (who makes over $28M), you would need to start with Randle, RJ, Quickley, probably both 1st rounders this year, 1st in 2023, multiple options to swap draft spots- and even that might not be enough.


That Randle/Quickley deal is a non starter. Basically leaves the Knicks in a position worse than the Wizards. The whole point of this is to pair Beal with Randle.

If Beal requests out, big if, there's a very short list of teams that could and should add him. Knicks, Heat, maybe Celtics. The heat can put together a nice package around Herro, but the Knicks should be able to match that with RJ.

Either way the Wiz lose a ton of leverage if he asks out.
RE: RE: RE: What is the package you are willing to give up  
adamg : 1/27/2021 10:00 am : link
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York



RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.

I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.



Yup something like this i think would get it done:

Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..


I have a feeling that'd be more than they have to give. But if do it. Beal is unreal right now. And hes 27
Also,  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 10:01 am : link
the Knicks are the only team that can help the Wizards cap wise. They can absorb Beal's current contract and only send out I believe 11 mil in salary.
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nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15135696 Jon in NYC said:
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the Knicks are the only team that can help the Wizards cap wise. They can absorb Beal's current contract and only send out I believe 11 mil in salary.


This is a big thing, Knicks have the draft capitol, cap space and the young player to make a deal work..

Miami has the young players but no space and no draft capitol..

Boston is not trade Brown or Tatum..

OKC has the Capitol and i think the space, but they are keeping their youngnplayers..
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djm : 1/27/2021 10:24 am : link
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York



RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.

I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.



Yup something like this i think would get it done:

Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..



I think the four firsts is steep, but given what other people may offer that may be what it takes. I'm fine with the four players, but if they're getting four guys I'd only give a pick or two.


4 players? I see 2.

I'd do that deal, but I am liking RJB more and more. We better be careful he's not on his way to becoming an equal player to Beal. He won't score like Beal but he defends pretty well and fills up the box score.
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nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 10:27 am : link
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York



RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.

I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.



Yup something like this i think would get it done:

Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..



I think the four firsts is steep, but given what other people may offer that may be what it takes. I'm fine with the four players, but if they're getting four guys I'd only give a pick or two.



4 players? I see 2.

I'd do that deal, but I am liking RJB more and more. We better be careful he's not on his way to becoming an equal player to Beal. He won't score like Beal but he defends pretty well and fills up the box score.


Beal is a pretty good defender..
how is Beal on defense?  
djm : 1/27/2021 10:28 am : link
I got this from bleacher. Numbers can be misleading, so who knows...plus this is from last year 2-2020.

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Statistics: Minus-3.0 DBPM, Minus-3.69 DRPM, Minus-3.48 D-PIPM

Defensive Score: 2.0

The bad news for Bradley Beal: He's normally a better defender than these numbers show, but they rank as the position's worst all the same.

The good news for Beal: At least he'll recognize a few faces on our no-defense team, which might as well be rebranded as the Washington Wizards and Friends.

It's been all awful, all the time for the John Wall-less Wiz, who have a better defensive rating than only one team in NBA history. Considering Beal has been saddled with a usage percentage more than five points above his previous career high (33.5, was 28.4), he probably doesn't have the legs to help stop the bleeding.

But understanding why someone is struggling isn't the same as excusing it.

Washington's defense is 10.9 points better per 100 possessions when he's not in the game. Among the 251 players to defend at least 20 isolations, Beal has allowed the eighth-highest scoring rate (1.36 points per possession, 5th percentile). Players boost their two-point percentage by 8.2 points when he defends them.

"It has been a rough season and a half for him on that end," ESPN's Zach Lowe wrote. "... The Wizards have been staggeringly worse with Beal on the floor. There is a ton of noise in those numbers, but they are so dramatic, you can't totally ignore them."


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recent chatter from Beal  
djm : 1/27/2021 10:30 am : link
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"It's our defense. I don't know why it's our defense. At this point, we can't guard a parked car," he said.

RELATED: Wizards end 4-game road trip with loss to Celtics despite 41 from Bradley Beal
That's one way to put it, but it's hard to blame Beal for the hyperbole. The Wizards have been as bad as any team defensively this season.

Washington is last in points allowed (122.1 per game) and have the third-worst defensive rating (114.6). They are allowing the second-highest three-point percentage (40%) and the second-most points at the free throw line (23.4).

"We've gotta compete better than what we are," Beal said.



At least he's angry about it. He would likely be happier here with Thibs.
Beal  
GMEN46 : 1/27/2021 10:32 am : link
He will be expensive but in my view a must get and you want to keep as many of the young players that you really like and risk the draft capital because they are unknowns. I believe this why knicks loaded up on 2nd rounders because they are ready to move the first rounders.

I would rather give up one of these 3 - Toppin, RJ and Quickley with 4 first rounders and some draft swaps, Knox, dsj and other needed fillers

Then Toppin and RJ or Toppin and Quickley with knox, DSJ and 2 first rounders.

It likely will cost more but you never know
Knox is criminally bad  
ryanmkeane : 1/27/2021 10:37 am : link
...i mean basic things he just can't do. What a shame.
I want Beal as much as everyone  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 10:55 am : link
But it will put the Knicks at square one with no supporting players and empty on draft capital.
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.
RE: I want Beal as much as everyone  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 11:04 am : link
In comment 15135764 larryflower37 said:
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But it will put the Knicks at square one with no supporting players and empty on draft capital.
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.


How would it leave them empty?

You would still have Quickley, Beal, Burks, Randle, Mitch, Rivers, Noel, Bullock

You woukd still have a 1st this year and 23, plenty of 2nds, still have 40 million in space next year..

Team would be far from empty
RE: RE: I want Beal as much as everyone  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 11:10 am : link
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But it will put the Knicks at square one with no supporting players and empty on draft capital.
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.



How would it leave them empty?

You would still have Quickley, Beal, Burks, Randle, Mitch, Rivers, Noel, Bullock

You woukd still have a 1st this year and 23, plenty of 2nds, still have 40 million in space next year..

Team would be far from empty


Yeah ^^ this.

If you play it right you still have plenty of picks and a max spot left next offseason.
RE: RE: I want Beal as much as everyone  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 11:11 am : link
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But it will put the Knicks at square one with no supporting players and empty on draft capital.
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.



How would it leave them empty?

You would still have Quickley, Beal, Burks, Randle, Mitch, Rivers, Noel, Bullock

You woukd still have a 1st this year and 23, plenty of 2nds, still have 40 million in space next year..

Team would be far from empty

What do you think it takes to get Beal?
Mitch, RJ, and Quickley and our 21' and 23' 1st at minimum.
No way you are not giving up the farm for Beal.
Each and everyone of you  
Semipro Lineman : 1/27/2021 11:11 am : link
guys who posted an Beal trade offer owns former Knicks GM Isiah Thomas an apology especially if you complained about the Eddy Curry move

/Sort of Joking

Sharif Cooper has looked wonderful so far at Auburn,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/27/2021 11:15 am : link
but his 3 point shooting numbers are a mess. His free throw shooting is very good and that’s bodes well for future distance shooting. I’m not sure how high a guy that size will get drafted.

Jalen Suggs free throw shooting has picked up and his all around numbers are very good. He needs to improve his ball-handling. This best thing about his upside is that this is the first year he’s been a full time basketball player.

I still think Cade is the number one pick no matter what. Evan Mobley looks special too.

I think I may be a bigger fan of whoever is playing the Mavs on a given night than the Knicks.

Barrett has been much better lately  
Greg from LI : 1/27/2021 11:23 am : link
But they still should have drafted Hunter over him.
The Ringer on De'Andre Hunter - ( New Window )
RE: Each and everyone of you  
Greg from LI : 1/27/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15135785 Semipro Lineman said:
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guys who posted an Beal trade offer owns former Knicks GM Isiah Thomas an apology especially if you complained about the Eddy Curry move

/Sort of Joking


YES! I finally have an excuse to post this again! Missed this pic....

Based on the discussion of cost  
adamg : 1/27/2021 11:26 am : link
I'm with Larry. We're better off building through the draft and free agency.
RE: Barrett has been much better lately  
BigBlueShock : 1/27/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15135799 Greg from LI said:
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But they still should have drafted Hunter over him. The Ringer on De'Andre Hunter - ( New Window )

Eh. I like Hunter a lot but I think it’s a bit soon for this. One guy is 23 and the other is only 20. I don’t think it’s a stretch to think Barrett will be a completely different player when he too is 23
RJ  
jestersdead : 1/27/2021 11:34 am : link
needs to stop throwing passes cross court, he easily has 3-4 turnovers a game from this poor decision.
RE: Based on the discussion of cost  
Jay on the Island : 1/27/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15135803 adamg said:
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I'm with Larry. We're better off building through the draft and free agency.

I agree too, The Knicks just need to remain patient and develop the young kids.
I feel confident that Barrett will never be the shooter Hunter is  
Greg from LI : 1/27/2021 11:43 am : link
Nor as versatile a defender.
RE: Based on the discussion of cost  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15135803 adamg said:
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I'm with Larry. We're better off building through the draft and free agency.


You cant tank and exprct someone to sign here
RE: RE: Based on the discussion of cost  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15135834 nygiants16 said:
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I'm with Larry. We're better off building through the draft and free agency.



You cant tank and exprct someone to sign here

Players are developing currently.
Don't need to win but be competitive and close to .500 and FA's will see there are young pieces here and be willing to sign.
The way Dallas is playing we could have 2 lottery picks in a deep draft, add that to RJ, Mitch, Quickley, Toppin and maybe Knox.
Let's see how it plays out.
RE: RE: RE: Based on the discussion of cost  
widmerseyebrow : 1/27/2021 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15135851 larryflower37 said:
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Players are developing currently.
Don't need to win but be competitive and close to .500 and FA's will see there are young pieces here and be willing to sign.
The way Dallas is playing we could have 2 lottery picks in a deep draft, add that to RJ, Mitch, Quickley, Toppin and maybe Knox.
Let's see how it plays out.


It would be really exciting to land a player like Beal if we don't have to completely gut our team, but I think this is probably right. Just sitting tight will be pretty exciting come draft time.
RE: RE: Based on the discussion of cost  
adamg : 1/27/2021 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15135834 nygiants16 said:
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I'm with Larry. We're better off building through the draft and free agency.



You cant tank and exprct someone to sign here


I'm not talking about tanking. If Barrett and IQ are the real deal, is it really tanking? I'm assuming some of these guys can play and we shouldn't trade them all away to get one star and have no other assets and linger in mediocrity. If we can add another couple RJs, one more JR in FA, we might be able to be good enough that stars will want to come. We might actually have a couple stars of our own already.
For me it is just about getting stars  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 12:20 pm : link
Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch
I wonder how good Mitch actually will be  
Greg from LI : 1/27/2021 12:26 pm : link
Other than cutting down a bit on the fouls, he really hasn't progressed as a player at all. He's pretty much the same guy he was two years ago.
The lack of progress by Mitch is really frustrating  
Chris L. : 1/27/2021 1:17 pm : link
he seems to be content to do the same things over and over again without supplementing his game. Also, is it just me or do his hands seem worse this year? Any contact near the rim and he blows or fumbles the dunk. Recently I have seen him move down the lane on a couple of occasions where he wasn't even looking at the person who had the ball. Had he been looking he would have received a pass and had dunks. He is obviously not the smartest guy on the team and I think this hurts his development. I am beginning to question whether or not he can become the 16-18/10 and 3 blocks player I once thought he could become.
RE: The lack of progress by Mitch is really frustrating  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15135976 Chris L. said:
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he seems to be content to do the same things over and over again without supplementing his game. Also, is it just me or do his hands seem worse this year? Any contact near the rim and he blows or fumbles the dunk. Recently I have seen him move down the lane on a couple of occasions where he wasn't even looking at the person who had the ball. Had he been looking he would have received a pass and had dunks. He is obviously not the smartest guy on the team and I think this hurts his development. I am beginning to question whether or not he can become the 16-18/10 and 3 blocks player I once thought he could become.


I've thought this as well. He does seem to be having a harder time catching the ball. Even on alley oops he kinda just guides the ball in sometimes.
RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
adamg : 1/27/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15135882 nygiants16 said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch


In fairness to RJ, Beal is the scoring champion right not. That's a pretty high standard.
RE: RE: The lack of progress by Mitch is really frustrating  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15135978 Jon in NYC said:
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he seems to be content to do the same things over and over again without supplementing his game. Also, is it just me or do his hands seem worse this year? Any contact near the rim and he blows or fumbles the dunk. Recently I have seen him move down the lane on a couple of occasions where he wasn't even looking at the person who had the ball. Had he been looking he would have received a pass and had dunks. He is obviously not the smartest guy on the team and I think this hurts his development. I am beginning to question whether or not he can become the 16-18/10 and 3 blocks player I once thought he could become.



I've thought this as well. He does seem to be having a harder time catching the ball. Even on alley oops he kinda just guides the ball in sometimes.


I don't think he can be that guy.
At this point, he hurts the team not being able to take any other shot than a dunk.
Posters on here compared him to Wiseman pre-draft. Wiseman is not afraid to shoot and is stretching the defense.
I will give him the benefit of doubt that the coaches don't want him taking shots but he is unguarded outside of 5 feet.
RE: RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15135993 adamg said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch



In fairness to RJ, Beal is the scoring champion right not. That's a pretty high standard.


It absolutely is and it is not me saying Rj is playing badly or is not going to be a good player..

I jist dont know if Rj will ever be that guy at the end of games you say go get me a bucket becaise his jumper will always be hit or miss..

You get Beal you got a closer
RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15135882 nygiants16 said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch


Beal was a better shooter early in his career but if you look at Beal's first 2 seasons they are pretty even.
Beal is a better shooter and RJ has a bunch more rebounds.
They do not have the same game but to say after 76 games in a pandemic that RJ can't get to Beal's level in the next 5 years is a stretch.
I would add  
adamg : 1/27/2021 2:07 pm : link
RJ has great intangibles that we desperately need especially after KP.
RE: RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15136064 larryflower37 said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch



Beal was a better shooter early in his career but if you look at Beal's first 2 seasons they are pretty even.
Beal is a better shooter and RJ has a bunch more rebounds.
They do not have the same game but to say after 76 games in a pandemic that RJ can't get to Beal's level in the next 5 years is a stretch.


I never said cant, i said i dont think he can, not saying he cant...
RE: RE: RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15136072 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15135882 nygiants16 said:


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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch



Beal was a better shooter early in his career but if you look at Beal's first 2 seasons they are pretty even.
Beal is a better shooter and RJ has a bunch more rebounds.
They do not have the same game but to say after 76 games in a pandemic that RJ can't get to Beal's level in the next 5 years is a stretch.



I never said cant, I said I don't think he can, not saying he can't...


I get it, but Beal was not the player we see today until his 5th season when he was 23.
RJ has shown enough at 20 that he should be untouchable. Also, his maturity, leadership, and temperament are all big pluses.
They have come down to Earth a bit  
Matt M. : 1/27/2021 2:22 pm : link
and Randle has cooled a little, but both were to be expected. What has been nice that they finally have a real coach who has them playing hard. They are competitive every night. It is nice not to be a complete joke for the first time in about a decade.
RE: They have come down to Earth a bit  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2021 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15136087 Matt M. said:
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and Randle has cooled a little, but both were to be expected. What has been nice that they finally have a real coach who has them playing hard. They are competitive every night. It is nice not to be a complete joke for the first time in about a decade.


+1. It's nice listening to NBA pods & it not being LOL Knicks. Looking forward to them getting home vs. Cleveland on Friday night. Also, possible NBA Finals preview tonight with Lakers in Philly.
For Beal  
Carl in CT : 1/27/2021 8:07 pm : link
The question is what does Washington want? Would you take westbrook if Washington insists?
RE: For Beal  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15136453 Carl in CT said:
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The question is what does Washington want? Would you take westbrook if Washington insists?


Absolutely not.
RE: For Beal  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15136453 Carl in CT said:
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The question is what does Washington want? Would you take westbrook if Washington insists?


They most likely want picks and youth and maybe cap relief..
Macri was talking Knicks with John Schmeelk (link below)  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 8:18 pm : link
I thought it was an interesting discussion, if you’re looking for a Knicks fix. Schmeelk makes his living covering the Giants but I think he has a great feel for the Knicks, too.

Little down on Obi, likes Randle but understands he’s not THE guy, feels we need an “RJ who can shoot” to lead us.
Macri/Schmeelk - ( New Window )
sounds like  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:26 pm : link
Bledsoe and Ball are being shopped by Pelicans
RE: sounds like  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15136465 nygiants16 said:
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Bledsoe and Ball are being shopped by Pelicans


Both are upgrades but probably not enough to give up anything of value.
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nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15136467 Jon in NYC said:
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Bledsoe and Ball are being shopped by Pelicans



Both are upgrades but probably not enough to give up anything of value.


Especially since Ball is up for a payday..
I would like to Knicks to go after Conley  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 9:30 pm : link
Final year of his deal and we could give up guys like DSJ and Frank to get him.
The Knicks have the cap room and he would give us a real PG that can shoot.
if you look at Mitch's history as a basketball player -  
Del Shofner : 1/27/2021 9:50 pm : link
meaning college, agents, all that practical stuff-

he doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed. Hopefully he's just young and will learn to go along with his obvious physical gifts.

As to Beal - that would be great but I wouldn't mortgage the farm for him. We have at least some talent now, we can't just trade it all away. Would have to be the right deal.
Jazz up 69-48 on the Mavs at halftime.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 10:11 pm : link
Donovan Mitchell is out - concussion protocol after hitting Mitchell Robinson’s knee last night.
RE: Jazz up 69-48 on the Mavs at halftime.  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15136537 bceagle05 said:
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Donovan Mitchell is out - concussion protocol after hitting Mitchell Robinson’s knee last night.

Gobert is destroying KP
KP kinda sucks.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 11:11 pm : link
If we gave him that contract he’d be getting destroyed here. Still a bad trade, but maybe we’ll land a good player with the Mavs pick and save face.
Beal has 45 points and counting  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 11:16 pm : link
in the fourth quarter. Washington still losing of course. Interesting call for them - do you tank and pair a top five pick with Beal, or do you trade Beal for assets and go FULL rebuild. He’ll probably decide for them by demanding a trade.
Beals wife apparently tweeted  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 7:24 am : link
she is sick of it..

I looked at their schedule i see maybe 2 more wins before the break..
Beal has been a model citizen to this point.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2021 8:21 am : link
He needs to go full Harden if he wants a trade.
RE: Beal has been a model citizen to this point.  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 8:36 am : link
In comment 15136662 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He needs to go full Harden if he wants a trade.


I am waiting for the game he jist doesnt shoot, media pushing the narrative that when he zcorss 40 or more the WizRds lose..

Beal is young enough that WAS could still...  
Italianju : 1/28/2021 8:53 am : link
be around him, but he would have to want to do that. I cant see a scenario where he signs an extension with WAS. He does seem to like WAS, but im sure he wants to win and even if they drafted rookie lebron this year it would be a couple years before they were competing.

For WAS they really should just blow it up. Get a kings ransom for Beal to go along with a high pick this year and start from scratch.
Mitch wants to shoot more  
adamg : 1/28/2021 8:57 am : link
Seems like it couldn't hurt to try
Berman article - ( New Window )
RE: Mitch wants to shoot more  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15136687 adamg said:
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Seems like it couldn't hurt to try Berman article - ( New Window )


Then he needs to step up and hit some shots. There are many times his man is 10 ft off of him. He should be taking 5 jumpers a game.

He's been talking about this forever. Time to step up.
RE: Mitch wants to shoot more  
larryflower37 : 1/28/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15136687 adamg said:
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Seems like it couldn't hurt to try Berman article - ( New Window )


Mitch has had 3 different coaches and has not shot under any of them.
I can't believe there is some big conspiracy to stop him from shooting unless his shot is just that bad.
Even a missed shot can be a good shot if it forces the defender to guard him at the 3pt line.
Hypothetical scenario  
GMEN46 : 1/28/2021 2:07 pm : link
A little bored so let me throw this out there. Let’s say Wizards wait until the offseason to trade Beal. Knicks end up fading as the season goes on and miss the playoffs. Mavs also miss the playoffs. Let’s assuming 1 lottery pick needs up in the top 5 so they have a top 5 lottery pick and number 12, in arguably the deepest lottery in a very long time. If wizards offer Beal for both lottery picks straight up plus any fillers need cap space wise. Would you do it? In essence you just add Beal to the current roster and keep all of the young guys. You keep all your picks moving forward. Thiughts?
RE: RE: Mitch wants to shoot more  
adamg : 1/28/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15137033 larryflower37 said:
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Seems like it couldn't hurt to try Berman article - ( New Window )



Mitch has had 3 different coaches and has not shot under any of them.
I can't believe there is some big conspiracy to stop him from shooting unless his shot is just that bad.
Even a missed shot can be a good shot if it forces the defender to guard him at the 3pt line.


What he said implies the coaches are telling him not to shoot.
RE: Hypothetical scenario  
adamg : 1/28/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15137179 GMEN46 said:
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A little bored so let me throw this out there. Let’s say Wizards wait until the offseason to trade Beal. Knicks end up fading as the season goes on and miss the playoffs. Mavs also miss the playoffs. Let’s assuming 1 lottery pick needs up in the top 5 so they have a top 5 lottery pick and number 12, in arguably the deepest lottery in a very long time. If wizards offer Beal for both lottery picks straight up plus any fillers need cap space wise. Would you do it? In essence you just add Beal to the current roster and keep all of the young guys. You keep all your picks moving forward. Thiughts?


Easily yes. Beal for two shots at a Beal that likely don't pan out into nearly the player Beal is? Absolutely. They never make that trade though.
easily....  
Italianju : 1/28/2021 2:15 pm : link
i mean i guess if the pick is top 2 people will say they want Cunningham, suggs, etc... but if i can get beal for just one early lottery pick and one late one. That would be a steal. And the knicks could be legit contenders. You would still have assets to make another movie if a guy came avaiable or at worst if you subtract bullock for beal this team is pretty solid.
RE: Hypothetical scenario  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15137179 GMEN46 said:
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A little bored so let me throw this out there. Let’s say Wizards wait until the offseason to trade Beal. Knicks end up fading as the season goes on and miss the playoffs. Mavs also miss the playoffs. Let’s assuming 1 lottery pick needs up in the top 5 so they have a top 5 lottery pick and number 12, in arguably the deepest lottery in a very long time. If wizards offer Beal for both lottery picks straight up plus any fillers need cap space wise. Would you do it? In essence you just add Beal to the current roster and keep all of the young guys. You keep all your picks moving forward. Thiughts?


You do it in heartbeat if Beal agrees to sign an extension..

Go into next seaaon with quick, Beal, Barrett, Randle, Mitch....not a bad team
Even during a pandemic I can tell it's almost  
arniefez : 1/28/2021 2:27 pm : link
February. I'm checking the Knicks & Rangers on Tankathon. Both teams seemly well positioned as usual.
RE: Even during a pandemic I can tell it's almost  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15137202 arniefez said:
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February. I'm checking the Knicks & Rangers on Tankathon. Both teams seemly well positioned as usual.


You try and troll bjt you are to stupid, Knicms wouldnt even be in the lottery if season ended today, the only reason they are is because they have the dallas pick..
If the Knicks had number one pick  
GMEN46 : 1/28/2021 2:31 pm : link
Given the hype on cunningham, I feel like the Knicks would have some serious leverage in that scenario. Knicks could basically say the 2 lottery picks and knox take it or leave it. I guess Pelicans could offer 4 first rounders, but the gurantee of two lottery picks in top 12 has to have extra weighting vs future I know picks. Especially in a deep draft
Go rogue, Bradley!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2021 4:44 pm : link
Oladipo looks like  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 9:33 pm : link
he got his first step back and blowing by people
Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
bceagle05 : 1/28/2021 11:07 pm : link
Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.
RE: Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/29/2021 7:54 am : link
In comment 15137590 bceagle05 said:
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Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.


Always happy to see Miami fail.

Adebayo looks like he's taken a leap forward. Herro hasn't. Team isn't good without Butler.
RE: Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:00 am : link
In comment 15137590 bceagle05 said:
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Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.


I could see Riley trying to get Beal, but i dont think they have the draft capitol.
Here's an article  
Semipro Lineman : 1/29/2021 9:17 am : link
From 538 about the Knicks offense this year and what Randle has been doing in relation to his other seasons
538 article on Randle's new role - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/29/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15137673 nygiants16 said:
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Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.



I could see Riley trying to get Beal, but i dont think they have the draft capitol.


The heat can't trade any of their own draft picks. They're locked due to past trades. All they can do is swap picks and trade picks they possess from other teams. If they start to make moves to gather draft picks, you'll know they're going for Beal.

Beal and the heat have been linked for like 2 years. Seems like every season there's a rumor.
safe to say  
djm : 1/29/2021 9:37 am : link
we should all be scoreboard watching as the Mavs story is equally as important as the Knicks story from here on out. Go Knicks. Go Western conference.

Mavs are 8-10. Only Golden State has played more games, most of the other teams have game(s) in hand. Dare I say, the Mavs might very well miss the postseason. The teams in front of them aren't going away quietly and even a team or two behind them might have something to say...

Mavs at Utah tonight.



current standings - ( New Window )
RE: Oladipo looks like  
djm : 1/29/2021 9:41 am : link
In comment 15137538 nygiants16 said:
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he got his first step back and blowing by people


To this untrained eye Oladipo looked like a safe bet even over the first week or two of this season. He wasn't scoring that much but he had his step and looked active out there. He's a good player and looks to be back. He'd fill a hole here that's for sure.
I think it's a lock that we make a big offer to Oladipo this summer.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 2:14 pm : link
He's been linked to Miami as well - we'll see how Leon/Wes fare against Don Vito Riley down in South Beach.
.  
Anakim : 1/29/2021 6:32 pm : link
The Knicks are closely monitoring Bulls guard Zach LaVine and the possibility of acquiring him via trade before the March 25 deadline, Ian Begley of SNY reports.

It’s uncertain whether Chicago is listening to offers on LaVine but the Knicks have some draft capital that might intrigue the Bulls, Begley notes. New York owns its future first-rounders and has 2021 and 2023 first-rounders coming from the Mavericks from the Kristaps Porzingis deal, though the latter of those picks has protections.

The Bulls would likely ask for another young star in any deal involving LaVine, Begley presumes.

An Immanuel Quickley-LaVine could be the Knicks’ long-term solution in the backcourt, provided they re-signed him.

LaVine, 25, becomes an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2022. He’s making $19.5MM this season and the same next season. He might seek max money, or close to it, in his next contract.
im on board with Lavine...  
Italianju : 1/29/2021 6:37 pm : link
The injury issues seem behind him. He is not Beal but he isnt that far off and i think you could easily build a package that allows us to keep RJ, Mitch, and IQ.

IQ
Lavine
RJ
Randle
Mitch

With whatever draft capital we still have and im not doing the math, but id think we would still have a descent amount of capspace this offseason before having to resign Lavine and Randle in 2022.
F no to Lavine.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 6:38 pm : link
Hell, hell no. He turns the rock over like a human breathes.
RE: F no to Lavine.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 6:45 pm : link
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Hell, hell no. He turns the rock over like a human breathes.


they will do it and you will like it!
RE: im on board with Lavine...  
Jon in NYC : 1/29/2021 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15138486 Italianju said:
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The injury issues seem behind him. He is not Beal but he isnt that far off and i think you could easily build a package that allows us to keep RJ, Mitch, and IQ.

IQ
Lavine
RJ
Randle
Mitch

With whatever draft capital we still have and im not doing the math, but id think we would still have a descent amount of capspace this offseason before having to resign Lavine and Randle in 2022.


I'm on board with this. Lavine is playing like an All Star, and I agree is closer to Beal than not, but may be able to be acquired at a much cheaper price.

Obi, Frank, 2021 NYK 1st and 2023 Dal 1st. Is that enough to get it done?

Probably tough to do without Mitch and/or RJ in there, but Obi fits a clear need assuming Lauri isn't the guy there long term, and Lavine and Thibs have a positive history together.
If you could do it  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 6:53 pm : link
without giving up Rj, Quick or Mitch you do it..
I’d give that for Beal  
Carl in CT : 1/29/2021 7:07 pm : link
No way I give two firsts and Obi for Mr.L.
RE: If you could do it  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15138505 nygiants16 said:
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without giving up Rj, Quick or Mitch you do it..


For that, I would. And I guess I'd end up talking myself into Lavine.
The game is starting with a tribute to Hawthorne Wingo  
Ira : 1/29/2021 7:36 pm : link
.
Payton is so bad  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 7:46 pm : link
Already a turnover and then Randle trying to make a move and cuts right into him, then gets his shot blocked
More dynamic play from the starters.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 7:48 pm : link
Still waiting for our first points.
Take the garbage player out already  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 7:50 pm : link
2 turnovers
Stubborn Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 7:54 pm : link
Teams playing zone against you ultimatr disrespect
Drummond overpowering Mitch as usual.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 7:54 pm : link
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Time just to release  
Carl in CT : 1/29/2021 7:57 pm : link
Some of this shit on this team. Let’s get some G league players and see what they have.
RE: Time just to release  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15138567 Carl in CT said:
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Some of this shit on this team. Let’s get some G league players and see what they have.


It is Payton, he kills everything
Payton...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 8:02 pm : link
For the love of God...why?
19-17 Knicks after one.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 8:07 pm : link
Don’t see too many scores like that anymore.
Randle looks terrible again.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:09 pm : link
Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.
RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15138586 chopperhatch said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.


So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?
Robinson and Noel in foul trouble.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 8:11 pm : link
Wonder if we’ll get a Taj sighting.
Knox is terrible  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:13 pm : link
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Why the hell would Quickley commit that foul?  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 8:13 pm : link
Now we’re stuck with Payton.
RE: Why the hell would Quickley commit that foul?  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15138597 bceagle05 said:
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Now we’re stuck with Payton.


Im with clyde i hate that foul
RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
Strahan91 : 1/29/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15138586 chopperhatch said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.

Is Toppin supposed to take those minutes? Because he looks completely lost. Not encouraging given his age
Knox sucks.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 8:18 pm : link
I'm done with 'Oh, let him develop.' He's not that good. Time to accept it.
RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15138603 Strahan91 said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.


Is Toppin supposed to take those minutes? Because he looks completely lost. Not encouraging given his age


What does his age have to do with anything, he still only played 2 years of college..

Just because he is 22 doesnt mean he should be expected to come in right away
RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15138592 nygiants16 said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?


It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays
Im actually on delay  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:24 pm : link
And he has 1 rebound in the half so far
I’m typing this after he made a nice play but  
Strahan91 : 1/29/2021 8:24 pm : link
of course age is a factor. You draft a 22 year old in the lottery with the expectation that he’s more nba ready than an 18-19 year old. Especially when his college production was so good. That it’s not translating (so far) is a red flag.
RE: RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15138612 chopperhatch said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?



It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays


lol he has 3 assists and 3 boards and 1 turnover and just took his first shot..

you overanylyzing him now
RE: I’m typing this after he made a nice play but  
Anakim : 1/29/2021 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15138615 Strahan91 said:
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of course age is a factor. You draft a 22 year old in the lottery with the expectation that he’s more nba ready than an 18-19 year old. Especially when his college production was so good. That it’s not translating (so far) is a red flag.


Agreed, but I'm more worried about his foot speed. I thought he'd be a monster in the paint, but so far he's been disappointing. At best, he's Amare.
Wizards getting blown out again  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:39 pm : link
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OMG payton sucks  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:53 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:59 pm : link
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?



It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays



lol he has 3 assists and 3 boards and 1 turnover and just took his first shot..

you overanylyzing him now


Thanks nygiants....I was on delay watching the game, but isnt he supposed to be playing like an all star? Barretts carried the team, not JR.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:05 pm : link
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?



It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays



lol he has 3 assists and 3 boards and 1 turnover and just took his first shot..

you overanylyzing him now



Thanks nygiants....I was on delay watching the game, but isnt he supposed to be playing like an all star? Barretts carried the team, not JR.


They have Let Rj handle a lot this game
They refuse to give Quickley free throws  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:06 pm : link
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Im almost caught up  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 9:11 pm : link
But Randle looks AWFUL this game. Yes, his other numbers arr ok, but how many rebounfs are a result of him not playing D and hanging out beneath the hoop and how many assists of his are because of him getting into trouble and dishing the ball to the first guy he saw?

I still like him, but he is playing the game like he is Carmelo Anthony minus the shots. And all the Knick announcers can talk about is his potential triple double.
RE: Im almost caught up  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15138644 chopperhatch said:
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But Randle looks AWFUL this game. Yes, his other numbers arr ok, but how many rebounfs are a result of him not playing D and hanging out beneath the hoop and how many assists of his are because of him getting into trouble and dishing the ball to the first guy he saw?

I still like him, but he is playing the game like he is Carmelo Anthony minus the shots. And all the Knick announcers can talk about is his potential triple double.


Some of his assists i agree, others are good set ups..

His rebounding is really good, he knows how to attack a board
Even if Quickley is off  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:16 pm : link
the spacing is so much better
Breaking News...  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 9:17 pm : link
Guys who can make baskets enter game, lead grows.
The Neophyte has been a delight!  
Stu11 : 1/29/2021 9:18 pm : link
Clyde can never retire. Ever.
Randle def picked his game up in 2nd half.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 9:19 pm : link
In other news, who is this Barrett guy and what is he on? Barrett playing like a man possessed. So much confidence. Going to the hole like a bastard. Love it!!!
QUICKLEY!!!!!  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 9:22 pm : link
Gave us a great swimming gif, too!
No foul but basket counts  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:24 pm : link
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I like Rivers  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:32 pm : link
he seems to be the calming player next to Quickley, when he sees quickley going to fast he takes the ball and settles
IQ  
Carl in CT : 1/29/2021 9:35 pm : link
Does average a point per minute and has 4 rebounds would does Payton have? He sucks!!!
It is time Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:39 pm : link
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RE: I like Rivers  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 9:40 pm : link
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he seems to be the calming player next to Quickley, when he sees quickley going to fast he takes the ball and settles

Yeah, the Quickley/Rivers/RJ combo is very effective.
Quickley didnt even vreak a sweat  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:45 pm : link
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Quickley's 3P%  
widmerseyebrow : 1/29/2021 9:45 pm : link
going up
Thibs riding the refs  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 9:47 pm : link
right til the clock hits zero.
Randle with a few nice strong moves  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 9:57 pm : link
To the hoop...in garbage time.
I am glad i put 10 bucks on Quickley winning rookie of the year  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:57 pm : link
win 255..
RE: I am glad i put 10 bucks on Quickley winning rookie of the year  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
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win 255..

No wonder you want him to start!
RE: RE: I am glad i put 10 bucks on Quickley winning rookie of the year  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
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win 255..


No wonder you want him to start!


hahaha a little bit
RE: The Neophyte has been a delight!  
Del Shofner : 1/29/2021 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15138652 Stu11 said:
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Clyde can never retire. Ever.


I'm with you on that.
RE: I am glad i put 10 bucks on Quickley winning rookie of the year  
Jon in NYC : 1/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15138682 nygiants16 said:
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win 255..


Lol I put 25 to win 600. Great minds.
RE: RE: The Neophyte has been a delight!  
Mike from SI : 1/29/2021 10:40 pm : link
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Clyde can never retire. Ever.



I'm with you on that.


Plus 1000
On another good note  
Mike from SI : 1/29/2021 10:44 pm : link
the Mavs are down 37-14. Obviously with Luka they can get back into any game in like 5 game minutes, but still a good start.
Just to follow up nygiants16...  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 11:35 pm : link
I really dont dislike JR as a player. But if we are serious about adding a scorer like Beal to the squad, do you want JR making the decisions he has been?

-Turning the ball over in the paint and on rebounds under the basket

-The shit-dishes he gives out when he gives up on a whirling drive to the hoop

-completely quitting on transition D

-missing badly under the basket (a no-no for a numbers 4

Again, I like the player, but is it so easy a decision to give up a player like Toppin whose game compliments Beal's game (command of the ball) over Randle. Randle's numbers might actually make the deal cost less interms of picks.

Honestly, I prefer to keep Toppin, but Im not 100%. Randle has a more polished game, but Toppin offers a different dimension athletically.
On a positive note,  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 11:48 pm : link
Aside from his great numbers, Barrett has been absolutely extraordinary in his new approach. Aggressive to the hole, instinctive in transition, better on defense, taking the shots that come to him.

I happily admit that I was wrong about his early season struggles and associating his college play with what he would do in the pros. He is playing VERY GOOD basketball.
The Mavs are down 87-60.  
Mike from SI : 1/29/2021 11:55 pm : link
KP has 3 points, 3 rebounds, and 5 fouls in 16 minutes.
RE: The Mavs are down 87-60.  
chopperhatch : 1/30/2021 12:22 am : link
In comment 15138736 Mike from SI said:
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KP has 3 points, 3 rebounds, and 5 fouls in 16 minutes.


Truly didnt see us being winners in that deal given how KP was playing with Dallas and how bad DSJ has been for us. But that Dallas 1st rounder is looking to be a serious chip at this point, tho its early.
Perfect evening for the Knicks.  
bceagle05 : 1/30/2021 12:37 am : link
God I would love to see the Mavs fall apart this season, though I suspect they’ll figure out a way to at least stay mediocre. Either way, that pick will be higher than anticipated.
RE: RE: The Mavs are down 87-60.  
Anakim : 1/30/2021 12:42 am : link
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KP has 3 points, 3 rebounds, and 5 fouls in 16 minutes.



Truly didnt see us being winners in that deal given how KP was playing with Dallas and how bad DSJ has been for us. But that Dallas 1st rounder is looking to be a serious chip at this point, tho its early.


Knicks make the playoffs and draft Cade Cunningham. Make it happ'n, God. Lord knows we deserve it.
RE: RE: RE: The Mavs are down 87-60.  
chopperhatch : 1/30/2021 1:02 am : link
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KP has 3 points, 3 rebounds, and 5 fouls in 16 minutes.



Truly didnt see us being winners in that deal given how KP was playing with Dallas and how bad DSJ has been for us. But that Dallas 1st rounder is looking to be a serious chip at this point, tho its early.



Knicks make the playoffs and draft Cade Cunningham. Make it happ'n, God. Lord knows we deserve it.


You aim awfully high Anak. Lol
Porzingis kinda sucks now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/30/2021 1:44 am : link
RE: Porzingis kinda sucks now  
Anakim : 1/30/2021 1:45 am : link
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LOL. Reminds me of that Bargnani fail.
I actually think  
nygiants16 : 1/30/2021 8:05 am : link
Last night was one of Randles best games, even though he didnt sckre at a high clip, he let the game come to him...

Can we start talking about how the Knicks may have won the KP trade??
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