Knicks are 8-11, just after the quarter mark of the season and finished their "hard" part kf the schedule. Now a bunch of home games to finish the first half of thr season.
Better start then anyone of us have thought.
Randle: Looks a little tired towards the end of the road trip, but still playing well, 22 10 and 5 on the season. Turnovers still an issue, need another guy to take the pressure off of him and Rj.
Rj Barrett: Rough start to the season, i was as hard on him as anyone on here, but he has really started to play good consistent basketball. Not settling for 3, making the wide open ones. Still has some things to work on but playing very well as the number 2.
Immanuel Quickley: Still a little up and down, he is a bit of chucker but you love it when his shot is falling and i think it will fall more than it wont. He is not a true point guard but in todays NBA he can play the 1. I look for him to keep getting more minutes.
Mitchell Robinson: Good shot blocker, good rebounder, everything else meh. I think he is good at what he is, i dont think he is some untouchable player, in todays NBA you wonder whats his role..
Obi Toppin: injury has hurt him trying to find his spot on this team, you see moments and go damn and then you see moments and go WTF? & gt; do think his jumper will be mlre reliable as he gets more comfortable, need a point guard to unlock him.
Nerlens Noel: Good for ehat he is, back up big, has some moments you shake your head, but in his role he has value.
Austin Rivers: This is him, some games you are like how is he making on 3 million and some games you are going to say thank god it is only 3 million. I think he brings value to this team and i think he should start at point until Quickley is ready.
Alec Burks: Injiry hurt him and this team, he was rolling to start the season, best 3 point shooter on this team, and hopefully as he gets going again we see that player from thr start.
Elfrid, Knox, Bullock: Go the fuck away.
I expect trade rumors to start swirling because i think Rose and Thibs do not want to give up on this season and as long as they are close to the playoffs, they will make moves to help make this team better, i dont see selling off of vets
So you want to give him 6 or 7 years to develop? So that means you want to resign him as well?
Sorry i can find 10 or 15 Kevin Knox type players in the NBA, no thank you
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It’s just like any young players. He needs time. He was rolling when he was sticking with the right corner three but he is not gray from other parts of the three point line. I think Knox still has the upside to be a solid nba player but it’s going to take at least 2-3 more years before you see some consistency. At that point he will be 23-24 years old. He is way too young to give up on
So you want to give him 6 or 7 years to develop? So that means you want to resign him as well?
Sorry i can find 10 or 15 Kevin Knox type players in the NBA, no thank you
However many years left he has on his rookie deal is fine. If he's not showing something by then you move on.
I'm sorry I just don't see it with Knox. He just seems like he doesn't care that much. There are times where he is just invisible out there. And if he's not taking and hitting those 3s, what else is he doing for you?
Knicks fans love to hold on to guys who were drafted high. But at some point you are who you are in the league and its time to move on. I'm not asking him to be an all star in year 3, but he should be able to start and earn significant minutes on this team.
RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.
I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
I also think he just doesnt understand the game, his basketball iq is absolutely terrible.
1st half Rivers is rolling, everyone who has played basketball knows you get the hot hand the ball until the hot hand goes away because off of that teams start to double and you will get easier shots.
Instead Knox looks him off to drive into Gobert who blocks his shot, stuff like that shows he doesnt understand..
another play it is a loose ball and has a chance to control the ball, instead tries to tip it, Jazz steal it, then Knox chases the guy down and gives up an and 1..
It is jist stupid play after stupid play, and hitting a couple of 3s every 4 or 5 games is not worth it
Big picture, I get it while they have Mitch and/or Noel out there the whole game. But our offense is really bad. I wouldn't mind seeing some lineups with Randle at center surrounded by as much shooting (ha!) we can throw out there.
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York
RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.
I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
Yup something like this i think would get it done:
Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..
RJ - I like this guy more than most and I think he will keep improving. He needs a PG that will pass him the ball.
Mitch - A bit an enigma
Knox - Guy has talent, it is a head game with him
Quickley - He has some Steph Curry in him, let's see if he can there
Toppin - Very disappointing to me, he reminds me too much of Kenny Walker
Payton - Not sure there is a player I have ever disliked more with the Knicks
Rivers/Bullock - taking time away from players that need it
Thibs - A huge difference with a real coach.
The rest of players are pretty irrelevant including Frank.
I watch Dallas every night to see what that pick could be, they win games they should lose and lose games they should win, but Doncic looks frustrated.
The Knicks just need a point guard in the worst way...
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York
RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.
I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
Yup something like this i think would get it done:
Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..
I think the four firsts is steep, but given what other people may offer that may be what it takes. I'm fine with the four players, but if they're getting four guys I'd only give a pick or two.
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York
RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.
I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
Yup something like this i think would get it done:
Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..
Can’t trade consecutive firsts. The Wiz have a full roster and likely would want parts that they themselves can later trade to add a star who can play with Westbrook. Beal needs the ball but so does Russ.
RJ and Russ might not be able to co-exist. They already have a much better Knox in Bertrans. Frank doesn’t move the needle for anyone, except as a potential change of scenery lotto ticket.
If the Wiz want to trade Beal (who makes over $28M), you would need to start with Randle, RJ, Quickley, probably both 1st rounders this year, 1st in 2023, multiple options to swap draft spots- and even that might not be enough.
Can’t trade consecutive firsts. The Wiz have a full roster and likely would want parts that they themselves can later trade to add a star who can play with Westbrook. Beal needs the ball but so does Russ.
RJ and Russ might not be able to co-exist. They already have a much better Knox in Bertrans. Frank doesn’t move the needle for anyone, except as a potential change of scenery lotto ticket.
If the Wiz want to trade Beal (who makes over $28M), you would need to start with Randle, RJ, Quickley, probably both 1st rounders this year, 1st in 2023, multiple options to swap draft spots- and even that might not be enough.
That Randle/Quickley deal is a non starter. Basically leaves the Knicks in a position worse than the Wizards. The whole point of this is to pair Beal with Randle.
If Beal requests out, big if, there's a very short list of teams that could and should add him. Knicks, Heat, maybe Celtics. The heat can put together a nice package around Herro, but the Knicks should be able to match that with RJ.
Either way the Wiz lose a ton of leverage if he asks out.
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York
RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.
I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
Yup something like this i think would get it done:
Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..
I have a feeling that'd be more than they have to give. But if do it. Beal is unreal right now. And hes 27
This is a big thing, Knicks have the draft capitol, cap space and the young player to make a deal work..
Miami has the young players but no space and no draft capitol..
Boston is not trade Brown or Tatum..
OKC has the Capitol and i think the space, but they are keeping their youngnplayers..
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York
RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.
I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
Yup something like this i think would get it done:
Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..
I think the four firsts is steep, but given what other people may offer that may be what it takes. I'm fine with the four players, but if they're getting four guys I'd only give a pick or two.
4 players? I see 2.
I'd do that deal, but I am liking RJB more and more. We better be careful he's not on his way to becoming an equal player to Beal. He won't score like Beal but he defends pretty well and fills up the box score.
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In comment 15135616 nygiants16 said:
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to get Beal to New york?? Seems now like it is inevitable he is going to ask for a trade and dont forget Thibs comments about getting a star to New York
RJ is picking a good time to have the best 8 game stretch of his NBA career.
I think a package starts with him, and a bunch of picks. Which I'm totally fine with, depending on the picks. I would say Obi too but the Wizards have 3 PFs already in Avdija, Rui and Bertans.
Yup something like this i think would get it done:
Rj, Obi Frank, Knox, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 1st 24 1st, maybe a few seconds..
I think the four firsts is steep, but given what other people may offer that may be what it takes. I'm fine with the four players, but if they're getting four guys I'd only give a pick or two.
4 players? I see 2.
I'd do that deal, but I am liking RJB more and more. We better be careful he's not on his way to becoming an equal player to Beal. He won't score like Beal but he defends pretty well and fills up the box score.
Beal is a pretty good defender..
Statistics: Minus-3.0 DBPM, Minus-3.69 DRPM, Minus-3.48 D-PIPM
Defensive Score: 2.0
The bad news for Bradley Beal: He's normally a better defender than these numbers show, but they rank as the position's worst all the same.
The good news for Beal: At least he'll recognize a few faces on our no-defense team, which might as well be rebranded as the Washington Wizards and Friends.
It's been all awful, all the time for the John Wall-less Wiz, who have a better defensive rating than only one team in NBA history. Considering Beal has been saddled with a usage percentage more than five points above his previous career high (33.5, was 28.4), he probably doesn't have the legs to help stop the bleeding.
But understanding why someone is struggling isn't the same as excusing it.
Washington's defense is 10.9 points better per 100 possessions when he's not in the game. Among the 251 players to defend at least 20 isolations, Beal has allowed the eighth-highest scoring rate (1.36 points per possession, 5th percentile). Players boost their two-point percentage by 8.2 points when he defends them.
"It has been a rough season and a half for him on that end," ESPN's Zach Lowe wrote. "... The Wizards have been staggeringly worse with Beal on the floor. There is a ton of noise in those numbers, but they are so dramatic, you can't totally ignore them."
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"It's our defense. I don't know why it's our defense. At this point, we can't guard a parked car," he said.
RELATED: Wizards end 4-game road trip with loss to Celtics despite 41 from Bradley Beal
That's one way to put it, but it's hard to blame Beal for the hyperbole. The Wizards have been as bad as any team defensively this season.
Washington is last in points allowed (122.1 per game) and have the third-worst defensive rating (114.6). They are allowing the second-highest three-point percentage (40%) and the second-most points at the free throw line (23.4).
"We've gotta compete better than what we are," Beal said.
At least he's angry about it. He would likely be happier here with Thibs.
I would rather give up one of these 3 - Toppin, RJ and Quickley with 4 first rounders and some draft swaps, Knox, dsj and other needed fillers
Then Toppin and RJ or Toppin and Quickley with knox, DSJ and 2 first rounders.
It likely will cost more but you never know
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.
How would it leave them empty?
You would still have Quickley, Beal, Burks, Randle, Mitch, Rivers, Noel, Bullock
You woukd still have a 1st this year and 23, plenty of 2nds, still have 40 million in space next year..
Team would be far from empty
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But it will put the Knicks at square one with no supporting players and empty on draft capital.
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.
How would it leave them empty?
You would still have Quickley, Beal, Burks, Randle, Mitch, Rivers, Noel, Bullock
You woukd still have a 1st this year and 23, plenty of 2nds, still have 40 million in space next year..
Team would be far from empty
Yeah ^^ this.
If you play it right you still have plenty of picks and a max spot left next offseason.
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But it will put the Knicks at square one with no supporting players and empty on draft capital.
Need to keep drafting well and go after FA's.
It's going to take too much right now.
How would it leave them empty?
You would still have Quickley, Beal, Burks, Randle, Mitch, Rivers, Noel, Bullock
You woukd still have a 1st this year and 23, plenty of 2nds, still have 40 million in space next year..
Team would be far from empty
What do you think it takes to get Beal?
Mitch, RJ, and Quickley and our 21' and 23' 1st at minimum.
No way you are not giving up the farm for Beal.
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Jalen Suggs free throw shooting has picked up and his all around numbers are very good. He needs to improve his ball-handling. This best thing about his upside is that this is the first year he’s been a full time basketball player.
I still think Cade is the number one pick no matter what. Evan Mobley looks special too.
I think I may be a bigger fan of whoever is playing the Mavs on a given night than the Knicks.
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YES! I finally have an excuse to post this again! Missed this pic....
Eh. I like Hunter a lot but I think it’s a bit soon for this. One guy is 23 and the other is only 20. I don’t think it’s a stretch to think Barrett will be a completely different player when he too is 23
I agree too, The Knicks just need to remain patient and develop the young kids.
You cant tank and exprct someone to sign here
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I'm with Larry. We're better off building through the draft and free agency.
You cant tank and exprct someone to sign here
Players are developing currently.
Don't need to win but be competitive and close to .500 and FA's will see there are young pieces here and be willing to sign.
The way Dallas is playing we could have 2 lottery picks in a deep draft, add that to RJ, Mitch, Quickley, Toppin and maybe Knox.
Let's see how it plays out.
Don't need to win but be competitive and close to .500 and FA's will see there are young pieces here and be willing to sign.
The way Dallas is playing we could have 2 lottery picks in a deep draft, add that to RJ, Mitch, Quickley, Toppin and maybe Knox.
Let's see how it plays out.
It would be really exciting to land a player like Beal if we don't have to completely gut our team, but I think this is probably right. Just sitting tight will be pretty exciting come draft time.