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nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:09 am
Knicks are 8-11, just after the quarter mark of the season and finished their "hard" part kf the schedule. Now a bunch of home games to finish the first half of thr season.

Better start then anyone of us have thought.

Randle: Looks a little tired towards the end of the road trip, but still playing well, 22 10 and 5 on the season. Turnovers still an issue, need another guy to take the pressure off of him and Rj.

Rj Barrett: Rough start to the season, i was as hard on him as anyone on here, but he has really started to play good consistent basketball. Not settling for 3, making the wide open ones. Still has some things to work on but playing very well as the number 2.

Immanuel Quickley: Still a little up and down, he is a bit of chucker but you love it when his shot is falling and i think it will fall more than it wont. He is not a true point guard but in todays NBA he can play the 1. I look for him to keep getting more minutes.

Mitchell Robinson: Good shot blocker, good rebounder, everything else meh. I think he is good at what he is, i dont think he is some untouchable player, in todays NBA you wonder whats his role..

Obi Toppin: injury has hurt him trying to find his spot on this team, you see moments and go damn and then you see moments and go WTF? & gt; do think his jumper will be mlre reliable as he gets more comfortable, need a point guard to unlock him.

Nerlens Noel: Good for ehat he is, back up big, has some moments you shake your head, but in his role he has value.

Austin Rivers: This is him, some games you are like how is he making on 3 million and some games you are going to say thank god it is only 3 million. I think he brings value to this team and i think he should start at point until Quickley is ready.

Alec Burks: Injiry hurt him and this team, he was rolling to start the season, best 3 point shooter on this team, and hopefully as he gets going again we see that player from thr start.

Elfrid, Knox, Bullock: Go the fuck away.

I expect trade rumors to start swirling because i think Rose and Thibs do not want to give up on this season and as long as they are close to the playoffs, they will make moves to help make this team better, i dont see selling off of vets
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RE: RE: Based on the discussion of cost  
adamg : 1/27/2021 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15135834 nygiants16 said:
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I'm with Larry. We're better off building through the draft and free agency.



You cant tank and exprct someone to sign here


I'm not talking about tanking. If Barrett and IQ are the real deal, is it really tanking? I'm assuming some of these guys can play and we shouldn't trade them all away to get one star and have no other assets and linger in mediocrity. If we can add another couple RJs, one more JR in FA, we might be able to be good enough that stars will want to come. We might actually have a couple stars of our own already.
For me it is just about getting stars  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 12:20 pm : link
Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch
I wonder how good Mitch actually will be  
Greg from LI : 1/27/2021 12:26 pm : link
Other than cutting down a bit on the fouls, he really hasn't progressed as a player at all. He's pretty much the same guy he was two years ago.
The lack of progress by Mitch is really frustrating  
Chris L. : 1/27/2021 1:17 pm : link
he seems to be content to do the same things over and over again without supplementing his game. Also, is it just me or do his hands seem worse this year? Any contact near the rim and he blows or fumbles the dunk. Recently I have seen him move down the lane on a couple of occasions where he wasn't even looking at the person who had the ball. Had he been looking he would have received a pass and had dunks. He is obviously not the smartest guy on the team and I think this hurts his development. I am beginning to question whether or not he can become the 16-18/10 and 3 blocks player I once thought he could become.
RE: The lack of progress by Mitch is really frustrating  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15135976 Chris L. said:
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he seems to be content to do the same things over and over again without supplementing his game. Also, is it just me or do his hands seem worse this year? Any contact near the rim and he blows or fumbles the dunk. Recently I have seen him move down the lane on a couple of occasions where he wasn't even looking at the person who had the ball. Had he been looking he would have received a pass and had dunks. He is obviously not the smartest guy on the team and I think this hurts his development. I am beginning to question whether or not he can become the 16-18/10 and 3 blocks player I once thought he could become.


I've thought this as well. He does seem to be having a harder time catching the ball. Even on alley oops he kinda just guides the ball in sometimes.
RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
adamg : 1/27/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15135882 nygiants16 said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch


In fairness to RJ, Beal is the scoring champion right not. That's a pretty high standard.
RE: RE: The lack of progress by Mitch is really frustrating  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15135978 Jon in NYC said:
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he seems to be content to do the same things over and over again without supplementing his game. Also, is it just me or do his hands seem worse this year? Any contact near the rim and he blows or fumbles the dunk. Recently I have seen him move down the lane on a couple of occasions where he wasn't even looking at the person who had the ball. Had he been looking he would have received a pass and had dunks. He is obviously not the smartest guy on the team and I think this hurts his development. I am beginning to question whether or not he can become the 16-18/10 and 3 blocks player I once thought he could become.



I've thought this as well. He does seem to be having a harder time catching the ball. Even on alley oops he kinda just guides the ball in sometimes.


I don't think he can be that guy.
At this point, he hurts the team not being able to take any other shot than a dunk.
Posters on here compared him to Wiseman pre-draft. Wiseman is not afraid to shoot and is stretching the defense.
I will give him the benefit of doubt that the coaches don't want him taking shots but he is unguarded outside of 5 feet.
RE: RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15135993 adamg said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch



In fairness to RJ, Beal is the scoring champion right not. That's a pretty high standard.


It absolutely is and it is not me saying Rj is playing badly or is not going to be a good player..

I jist dont know if Rj will ever be that guy at the end of games you say go get me a bucket becaise his jumper will always be hit or miss..

You get Beal you got a closer
RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15135882 nygiants16 said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch


Beal was a better shooter early in his career but if you look at Beal's first 2 seasons they are pretty even.
Beal is a better shooter and RJ has a bunch more rebounds.
They do not have the same game but to say after 76 games in a pandemic that RJ can't get to Beal's level in the next 5 years is a stretch.
I would add  
adamg : 1/27/2021 2:07 pm : link
RJ has great intangibles that we desperately need especially after KP.
RE: RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15136064 larryflower37 said:
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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch



Beal was a better shooter early in his career but if you look at Beal's first 2 seasons they are pretty even.
Beal is a better shooter and RJ has a bunch more rebounds.
They do not have the same game but to say after 76 games in a pandemic that RJ can't get to Beal's level in the next 5 years is a stretch.


I never said cant, i said i dont think he can, not saying he cant...
RE: RE: RE: For me it is just about getting stars  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15136072 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15135882 nygiants16 said:


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Trades, free agency or draft doesnt matter to me..

I dont think Rj will ever hit the level Bradley Beal is at right now, that is why i am ok with it..

And like i said i am not giving up every young pkayer on this team, Rj and Toppin would be the 2 young players in my offer..Keep Quickley and Mitch



Beal was a better shooter early in his career but if you look at Beal's first 2 seasons they are pretty even.
Beal is a better shooter and RJ has a bunch more rebounds.
They do not have the same game but to say after 76 games in a pandemic that RJ can't get to Beal's level in the next 5 years is a stretch.



I never said cant, I said I don't think he can, not saying he can't...


I get it, but Beal was not the player we see today until his 5th season when he was 23.
RJ has shown enough at 20 that he should be untouchable. Also, his maturity, leadership, and temperament are all big pluses.
They have come down to Earth a bit  
Matt M. : 1/27/2021 2:22 pm : link
and Randle has cooled a little, but both were to be expected. What has been nice that they finally have a real coach who has them playing hard. They are competitive every night. It is nice not to be a complete joke for the first time in about a decade.
RE: They have come down to Earth a bit  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2021 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15136087 Matt M. said:
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and Randle has cooled a little, but both were to be expected. What has been nice that they finally have a real coach who has them playing hard. They are competitive every night. It is nice not to be a complete joke for the first time in about a decade.


+1. It's nice listening to NBA pods & it not being LOL Knicks. Looking forward to them getting home vs. Cleveland on Friday night. Also, possible NBA Finals preview tonight with Lakers in Philly.
For Beal  
Carl in CT : 1/27/2021 8:07 pm : link
The question is what does Washington want? Would you take westbrook if Washington insists?
RE: For Beal  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15136453 Carl in CT said:
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The question is what does Washington want? Would you take westbrook if Washington insists?


Absolutely not.
RE: For Beal  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15136453 Carl in CT said:
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The question is what does Washington want? Would you take westbrook if Washington insists?


They most likely want picks and youth and maybe cap relief..
Macri was talking Knicks with John Schmeelk (link below)  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 8:18 pm : link
I thought it was an interesting discussion, if you’re looking for a Knicks fix. Schmeelk makes his living covering the Giants but I think he has a great feel for the Knicks, too.

Little down on Obi, likes Randle but understands he’s not THE guy, feels we need an “RJ who can shoot” to lead us.
Macri/Schmeelk - ( New Window )
sounds like  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:26 pm : link
Bledsoe and Ball are being shopped by Pelicans
RE: sounds like  
Jon in NYC : 1/27/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15136465 nygiants16 said:
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Bledsoe and Ball are being shopped by Pelicans


Both are upgrades but probably not enough to give up anything of value.
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nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15136467 Jon in NYC said:
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Bledsoe and Ball are being shopped by Pelicans



Both are upgrades but probably not enough to give up anything of value.


Especially since Ball is up for a payday..
I would like to Knicks to go after Conley  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 9:30 pm : link
Final year of his deal and we could give up guys like DSJ and Frank to get him.
The Knicks have the cap room and he would give us a real PG that can shoot.
if you look at Mitch's history as a basketball player -  
Del Shofner : 1/27/2021 9:50 pm : link
meaning college, agents, all that practical stuff-

he doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed. Hopefully he's just young and will learn to go along with his obvious physical gifts.

As to Beal - that would be great but I wouldn't mortgage the farm for him. We have at least some talent now, we can't just trade it all away. Would have to be the right deal.
Jazz up 69-48 on the Mavs at halftime.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 10:11 pm : link
Donovan Mitchell is out - concussion protocol after hitting Mitchell Robinson’s knee last night.
RE: Jazz up 69-48 on the Mavs at halftime.  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15136537 bceagle05 said:
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Donovan Mitchell is out - concussion protocol after hitting Mitchell Robinson’s knee last night.

Gobert is destroying KP
KP kinda sucks.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 11:11 pm : link
If we gave him that contract he’d be getting destroyed here. Still a bad trade, but maybe we’ll land a good player with the Mavs pick and save face.
Beal has 45 points and counting  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2021 11:16 pm : link
in the fourth quarter. Washington still losing of course. Interesting call for them - do you tank and pair a top five pick with Beal, or do you trade Beal for assets and go FULL rebuild. He’ll probably decide for them by demanding a trade.
Beals wife apparently tweeted  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 7:24 am : link
she is sick of it..

I looked at their schedule i see maybe 2 more wins before the break..
Beal has been a model citizen to this point.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2021 8:21 am : link
He needs to go full Harden if he wants a trade.
RE: Beal has been a model citizen to this point.  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 8:36 am : link
In comment 15136662 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He needs to go full Harden if he wants a trade.


I am waiting for the game he jist doesnt shoot, media pushing the narrative that when he zcorss 40 or more the WizRds lose..

Beal is young enough that WAS could still...  
Italianju : 1/28/2021 8:53 am : link
be around him, but he would have to want to do that. I cant see a scenario where he signs an extension with WAS. He does seem to like WAS, but im sure he wants to win and even if they drafted rookie lebron this year it would be a couple years before they were competing.

For WAS they really should just blow it up. Get a kings ransom for Beal to go along with a high pick this year and start from scratch.
Mitch wants to shoot more  
adamg : 1/28/2021 8:57 am : link
Seems like it couldn't hurt to try
Berman article - ( New Window )
RE: Mitch wants to shoot more  
TyreeHelmet : 1/28/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15136687 adamg said:
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Seems like it couldn't hurt to try Berman article - ( New Window )


Then he needs to step up and hit some shots. There are many times his man is 10 ft off of him. He should be taking 5 jumpers a game.

He's been talking about this forever. Time to step up.
RE: Mitch wants to shoot more  
larryflower37 : 1/28/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15136687 adamg said:
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Seems like it couldn't hurt to try Berman article - ( New Window )


Mitch has had 3 different coaches and has not shot under any of them.
I can't believe there is some big conspiracy to stop him from shooting unless his shot is just that bad.
Even a missed shot can be a good shot if it forces the defender to guard him at the 3pt line.
Hypothetical scenario  
GMEN46 : 1/28/2021 2:07 pm : link
A little bored so let me throw this out there. Let’s say Wizards wait until the offseason to trade Beal. Knicks end up fading as the season goes on and miss the playoffs. Mavs also miss the playoffs. Let’s assuming 1 lottery pick needs up in the top 5 so they have a top 5 lottery pick and number 12, in arguably the deepest lottery in a very long time. If wizards offer Beal for both lottery picks straight up plus any fillers need cap space wise. Would you do it? In essence you just add Beal to the current roster and keep all of the young guys. You keep all your picks moving forward. Thiughts?
RE: RE: Mitch wants to shoot more  
adamg : 1/28/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15137033 larryflower37 said:
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Seems like it couldn't hurt to try Berman article - ( New Window )



Mitch has had 3 different coaches and has not shot under any of them.
I can't believe there is some big conspiracy to stop him from shooting unless his shot is just that bad.
Even a missed shot can be a good shot if it forces the defender to guard him at the 3pt line.


What he said implies the coaches are telling him not to shoot.
RE: Hypothetical scenario  
adamg : 1/28/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15137179 GMEN46 said:
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A little bored so let me throw this out there. Let’s say Wizards wait until the offseason to trade Beal. Knicks end up fading as the season goes on and miss the playoffs. Mavs also miss the playoffs. Let’s assuming 1 lottery pick needs up in the top 5 so they have a top 5 lottery pick and number 12, in arguably the deepest lottery in a very long time. If wizards offer Beal for both lottery picks straight up plus any fillers need cap space wise. Would you do it? In essence you just add Beal to the current roster and keep all of the young guys. You keep all your picks moving forward. Thiughts?


Easily yes. Beal for two shots at a Beal that likely don't pan out into nearly the player Beal is? Absolutely. They never make that trade though.
easily....  
Italianju : 1/28/2021 2:15 pm : link
i mean i guess if the pick is top 2 people will say they want Cunningham, suggs, etc... but if i can get beal for just one early lottery pick and one late one. That would be a steal. And the knicks could be legit contenders. You would still have assets to make another movie if a guy came avaiable or at worst if you subtract bullock for beal this team is pretty solid.
RE: Hypothetical scenario  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15137179 GMEN46 said:
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A little bored so let me throw this out there. Let’s say Wizards wait until the offseason to trade Beal. Knicks end up fading as the season goes on and miss the playoffs. Mavs also miss the playoffs. Let’s assuming 1 lottery pick needs up in the top 5 so they have a top 5 lottery pick and number 12, in arguably the deepest lottery in a very long time. If wizards offer Beal for both lottery picks straight up plus any fillers need cap space wise. Would you do it? In essence you just add Beal to the current roster and keep all of the young guys. You keep all your picks moving forward. Thiughts?


You do it in heartbeat if Beal agrees to sign an extension..

Go into next seaaon with quick, Beal, Barrett, Randle, Mitch....not a bad team
Even during a pandemic I can tell it's almost  
arniefez : 1/28/2021 2:27 pm : link
February. I'm checking the Knicks & Rangers on Tankathon. Both teams seemly well positioned as usual.
RE: Even during a pandemic I can tell it's almost  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15137202 arniefez said:
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February. I'm checking the Knicks & Rangers on Tankathon. Both teams seemly well positioned as usual.


You try and troll bjt you are to stupid, Knicms wouldnt even be in the lottery if season ended today, the only reason they are is because they have the dallas pick..
If the Knicks had number one pick  
GMEN46 : 1/28/2021 2:31 pm : link
Given the hype on cunningham, I feel like the Knicks would have some serious leverage in that scenario. Knicks could basically say the 2 lottery picks and knox take it or leave it. I guess Pelicans could offer 4 first rounders, but the gurantee of two lottery picks in top 12 has to have extra weighting vs future I know picks. Especially in a deep draft
Go rogue, Bradley!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2021 4:44 pm : link
Oladipo looks like  
nygiants16 : 1/28/2021 9:33 pm : link
he got his first step back and blowing by people
Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
bceagle05 : 1/28/2021 11:07 pm : link
Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.
RE: Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/29/2021 7:54 am : link
In comment 15137590 bceagle05 said:
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Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.


Always happy to see Miami fail.

Adebayo looks like he's taken a leap forward. Herro hasn't. Team isn't good without Butler.
RE: Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:00 am : link
In comment 15137590 bceagle05 said:
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Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.


I could see Riley trying to get Beal, but i dont think they have the draft capitol.
Here's an article  
Semipro Lineman : 1/29/2021 9:17 am : link
From 538 about the Knicks offense this year and what Randle has been doing in relation to his other seasons
538 article on Randle's new role - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Miami falls to 6-12. Butler’s been out, but still.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/29/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15137673 nygiants16 said:
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Lakers - without AD - lose big to...Detroit. Weird things happening this year, as expected.



I could see Riley trying to get Beal, but i dont think they have the draft capitol.


The heat can't trade any of their own draft picks. They're locked due to past trades. All they can do is swap picks and trade picks they possess from other teams. If they start to make moves to gather draft picks, you'll know they're going for Beal.

Beal and the heat have been linked for like 2 years. Seems like every season there's a rumor.
safe to say  
djm : 1/29/2021 9:37 am : link
we should all be scoreboard watching as the Mavs story is equally as important as the Knicks story from here on out. Go Knicks. Go Western conference.

Mavs are 8-10. Only Golden State has played more games, most of the other teams have game(s) in hand. Dare I say, the Mavs might very well miss the postseason. The teams in front of them aren't going away quietly and even a team or two behind them might have something to say...

Mavs at Utah tonight.



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