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nygiants16 : 1/27/2021 8:09 am
Knicks are 8-11, just after the quarter mark of the season and finished their "hard" part kf the schedule. Now a bunch of home games to finish the first half of thr season.

Better start then anyone of us have thought.

Randle: Looks a little tired towards the end of the road trip, but still playing well, 22 10 and 5 on the season. Turnovers still an issue, need another guy to take the pressure off of him and Rj.

Rj Barrett: Rough start to the season, i was as hard on him as anyone on here, but he has really started to play good consistent basketball. Not settling for 3, making the wide open ones. Still has some things to work on but playing very well as the number 2.

Immanuel Quickley: Still a little up and down, he is a bit of chucker but you love it when his shot is falling and i think it will fall more than it wont. He is not a true point guard but in todays NBA he can play the 1. I look for him to keep getting more minutes.

Mitchell Robinson: Good shot blocker, good rebounder, everything else meh. I think he is good at what he is, i dont think he is some untouchable player, in todays NBA you wonder whats his role..

Obi Toppin: injury has hurt him trying to find his spot on this team, you see moments and go damn and then you see moments and go WTF? & gt; do think his jumper will be mlre reliable as he gets more comfortable, need a point guard to unlock him.

Nerlens Noel: Good for ehat he is, back up big, has some moments you shake your head, but in his role he has value.

Austin Rivers: This is him, some games you are like how is he making on 3 million and some games you are going to say thank god it is only 3 million. I think he brings value to this team and i think he should start at point until Quickley is ready.

Alec Burks: Injiry hurt him and this team, he was rolling to start the season, best 3 point shooter on this team, and hopefully as he gets going again we see that player from thr start.

Elfrid, Knox, Bullock: Go the fuck away.

I expect trade rumors to start swirling because i think Rose and Thibs do not want to give up on this season and as long as they are close to the playoffs, they will make moves to help make this team better, i dont see selling off of vets
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RE: Oladipo looks like  
djm : 1/29/2021 9:41 am : link
In comment 15137538 nygiants16 said:
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he got his first step back and blowing by people


To this untrained eye Oladipo looked like a safe bet even over the first week or two of this season. He wasn't scoring that much but he had his step and looked active out there. He's a good player and looks to be back. He'd fill a hole here that's for sure.
I think it's a lock that we make a big offer to Oladipo this summer.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 2:14 pm : link
He's been linked to Miami as well - we'll see how Leon/Wes fare against Don Vito Riley down in South Beach.
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Anakim : 1/29/2021 6:32 pm : link
The Knicks are closely monitoring Bulls guard Zach LaVine and the possibility of acquiring him via trade before the March 25 deadline, Ian Begley of SNY reports.

It’s uncertain whether Chicago is listening to offers on LaVine but the Knicks have some draft capital that might intrigue the Bulls, Begley notes. New York owns its future first-rounders and has 2021 and 2023 first-rounders coming from the Mavericks from the Kristaps Porzingis deal, though the latter of those picks has protections.

The Bulls would likely ask for another young star in any deal involving LaVine, Begley presumes.

An Immanuel Quickley-LaVine could be the Knicks’ long-term solution in the backcourt, provided they re-signed him.

LaVine, 25, becomes an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2022. He’s making $19.5MM this season and the same next season. He might seek max money, or close to it, in his next contract.
im on board with Lavine...  
Italianju : 1/29/2021 6:37 pm : link
The injury issues seem behind him. He is not Beal but he isnt that far off and i think you could easily build a package that allows us to keep RJ, Mitch, and IQ.

IQ
Lavine
RJ
Randle
Mitch

With whatever draft capital we still have and im not doing the math, but id think we would still have a descent amount of capspace this offseason before having to resign Lavine and Randle in 2022.
F no to Lavine.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 6:38 pm : link
Hell, hell no. He turns the rock over like a human breathes.
RE: F no to Lavine.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15138488 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Hell, hell no. He turns the rock over like a human breathes.


they will do it and you will like it!
RE: im on board with Lavine...  
Jon in NYC : 1/29/2021 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15138486 Italianju said:
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The injury issues seem behind him. He is not Beal but he isnt that far off and i think you could easily build a package that allows us to keep RJ, Mitch, and IQ.

IQ
Lavine
RJ
Randle
Mitch

With whatever draft capital we still have and im not doing the math, but id think we would still have a descent amount of capspace this offseason before having to resign Lavine and Randle in 2022.


I'm on board with this. Lavine is playing like an All Star, and I agree is closer to Beal than not, but may be able to be acquired at a much cheaper price.

Obi, Frank, 2021 NYK 1st and 2023 Dal 1st. Is that enough to get it done?

Probably tough to do without Mitch and/or RJ in there, but Obi fits a clear need assuming Lauri isn't the guy there long term, and Lavine and Thibs have a positive history together.
If you could do it  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 6:53 pm : link
without giving up Rj, Quick or Mitch you do it..
I’d give that for Beal  
Carl in CT : 1/29/2021 7:07 pm : link
No way I give two firsts and Obi for Mr.L.
RE: If you could do it  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15138505 nygiants16 said:
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without giving up Rj, Quick or Mitch you do it..


For that, I would. And I guess I'd end up talking myself into Lavine.
The game is starting with a tribute to Hawthorne Wingo  
Ira : 1/29/2021 7:36 pm : link
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Payton is so bad  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 7:46 pm : link
Already a turnover and then Randle trying to make a move and cuts right into him, then gets his shot blocked
More dynamic play from the starters.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 7:48 pm : link
Still waiting for our first points.
Take the garbage player out already  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 7:50 pm : link
2 turnovers
Stubborn Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 7:54 pm : link
Teams playing zone against you ultimatr disrespect
Drummond overpowering Mitch as usual.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 7:54 pm : link
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Time just to release  
Carl in CT : 1/29/2021 7:57 pm : link
Some of this shit on this team. Let’s get some G league players and see what they have.
RE: Time just to release  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15138567 Carl in CT said:
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Some of this shit on this team. Let’s get some G league players and see what they have.


It is Payton, he kills everything
Payton...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 8:02 pm : link
For the love of God...why?
19-17 Knicks after one.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 8:07 pm : link
Don’t see too many scores like that anymore.
Randle looks terrible again.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:09 pm : link
Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.
RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15138586 chopperhatch said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.


So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?
Robinson and Noel in foul trouble.  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 8:11 pm : link
Wonder if we’ll get a Taj sighting.
Knox is terrible  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:13 pm : link
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Why the hell would Quickley commit that foul?  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 8:13 pm : link
Now we’re stuck with Payton.
RE: Why the hell would Quickley commit that foul?  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15138597 bceagle05 said:
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Now we’re stuck with Payton.


Im with clyde i hate that foul
RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
Strahan91 : 1/29/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15138586 chopperhatch said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.

Is Toppin supposed to take those minutes? Because he looks completely lost. Not encouraging given his age
Knox sucks.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2021 8:18 pm : link
I'm done with 'Oh, let him develop.' He's not that good. Time to accept it.
RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:19 pm : link
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.


Is Toppin supposed to take those minutes? Because he looks completely lost. Not encouraging given his age


What does his age have to do with anything, he still only played 2 years of college..

Just because he is 22 doesnt mean he should be expected to come in right away
RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:23 pm : link
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?


It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays
Im actually on delay  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:24 pm : link
And he has 1 rebound in the half so far
I’m typing this after he made a nice play but  
Strahan91 : 1/29/2021 8:24 pm : link
of course age is a factor. You draft a 22 year old in the lottery with the expectation that he’s more nba ready than an 18-19 year old. Especially when his college production was so good. That it’s not translating (so far) is a red flag.
RE: RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15138612 chopperhatch said:
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?



It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays


lol he has 3 assists and 3 boards and 1 turnover and just took his first shot..

you overanylyzing him now
RE: I’m typing this after he made a nice play but  
Anakim : 1/29/2021 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15138615 Strahan91 said:
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of course age is a factor. You draft a 22 year old in the lottery with the expectation that he’s more nba ready than an 18-19 year old. Especially when his college production was so good. That it’s not translating (so far) is a red flag.


Agreed, but I'm more worried about his foot speed. I thought he'd be a monster in the paint, but so far he's been disappointing. At best, he's Amare.
Wizards getting blown out again  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:39 pm : link
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OMG payton sucks  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 8:53 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 8:59 pm : link
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?



It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays



lol he has 3 assists and 3 boards and 1 turnover and just took his first shot..

you overanylyzing him now


Thanks nygiants....I was on delay watching the game, but isnt he supposed to be playing like an all star? Barretts carried the team, not JR.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Randle looks terrible again.  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:05 pm : link
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Doesnt get back on defense on transition and then shitty O foul.


Rapidly getting to the point where I am tired of getting big minutes.



So you harp on his only 2 bad plays?



It was the 1st quarter! I mustve missed all his great plays



lol he has 3 assists and 3 boards and 1 turnover and just took his first shot..

you overanylyzing him now



Thanks nygiants....I was on delay watching the game, but isnt he supposed to be playing like an all star? Barretts carried the team, not JR.


They have Let Rj handle a lot this game
They refuse to give Quickley free throws  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:06 pm : link
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Im almost caught up  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 9:11 pm : link
But Randle looks AWFUL this game. Yes, his other numbers arr ok, but how many rebounfs are a result of him not playing D and hanging out beneath the hoop and how many assists of his are because of him getting into trouble and dishing the ball to the first guy he saw?

I still like him, but he is playing the game like he is Carmelo Anthony minus the shots. And all the Knick announcers can talk about is his potential triple double.
RE: Im almost caught up  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15138644 chopperhatch said:
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But Randle looks AWFUL this game. Yes, his other numbers arr ok, but how many rebounfs are a result of him not playing D and hanging out beneath the hoop and how many assists of his are because of him getting into trouble and dishing the ball to the first guy he saw?

I still like him, but he is playing the game like he is Carmelo Anthony minus the shots. And all the Knick announcers can talk about is his potential triple double.


Some of his assists i agree, others are good set ups..

His rebounding is really good, he knows how to attack a board
Even if Quickley is off  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:16 pm : link
the spacing is so much better
Breaking News...  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 9:17 pm : link
Guys who can make baskets enter game, lead grows.
The Neophyte has been a delight!  
Stu11 : 1/29/2021 9:18 pm : link
Clyde can never retire. Ever.
Randle def picked his game up in 2nd half.  
chopperhatch : 1/29/2021 9:19 pm : link
In other news, who is this Barrett guy and what is he on? Barrett playing like a man possessed. So much confidence. Going to the hole like a bastard. Love it!!!
QUICKLEY!!!!!  
bceagle05 : 1/29/2021 9:22 pm : link
Gave us a great swimming gif, too!
No foul but basket counts  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:24 pm : link
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I like Rivers  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:32 pm : link
he seems to be the calming player next to Quickley, when he sees quickley going to fast he takes the ball and settles
IQ  
Carl in CT : 1/29/2021 9:35 pm : link
Does average a point per minute and has 4 rebounds would does Payton have? He sucks!!!
It is time Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/29/2021 9:39 pm : link
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