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DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 10:19 am
-Flurry of moves yesterday around the league. Semien 1 for 18 looks like a great gamble for the Jays

- Was told the Mets discussed the parameters of what a deal would look like with Bauer almost 2 weeks ago. No firm offer was made (this is semantics, "made an offer" is generally the LAST thing that occurs at the end of the "dance". The feeling remains that Bauer will end up with LAA)

-Fsngraphs released their 2021 catcher projections... McCann comes in at... 27. Better hope Sandy is "more right" than they are.

- Mets haven't been tied to any RP's in particularly outside of Wilson but they really could use one. Rosenthal in particular would be a nice addition. Soria as well. The Mets added May, subtracted Shreve and Wilson for now. The back end looks nice, lengthwise the pen is very thin on paper.
Noted  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 10:21 am : link
yesterday but the Brewers have let teams know Cain is not available, and have inquired into Turner and Eddie Rosario. I think the Brewers as-is are the favorites in the central.
Would’ve been nice to add Realmuto at that price  
Metnut : 1/27/2021 10:25 am : link
rather than roll the dice with McCann.
Cain  
davew926 : 1/27/2021 10:28 am : link
I am surprised that Cain is not available. I can't help but think Bauer really wants the Dodgers or Angels, we'll see.
RE: Cain  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15135733 davew926 said:
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I am surprised that Cain is not available. I can't help but think Bauer really wants the Dodgers or Angels, we'll see.


I'm not surprised. The Brewers, as I noted are probably the best team in the NL Central. If Yelich has a decent 2020 they are a playoff team, if Yelich has a normal season and Cain players that's one of the better teams in the entire league.
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Named Later : 1/27/2021 10:39 am : link
Is fangraphs saying that McCann is the 27th best catcher in the Majors ??

I find it very difficult to believe there are 26 better all-around catchers in MLB.
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KDavies : 1/27/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15135745 Named Later said:
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Is fangraphs saying that McCann is the 27th best catcher in the Majors ??

I find it very difficult to believe there are 26 better all-around catchers in MLB.


That's comical. I had the same reaction.
Actually  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 10:49 am : link
McCann 43rd best offensive catcher, Mets catching situation 27th
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And  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 10:50 am : link
their top projected offensive catchers (linked)
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Roc Nation Sports  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 11:00 am : link
hires Brodie as COO
FA OF market  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 11:35 am : link
is AWFUL. If they don't lock up Conforto they are going to have problems.

Michael Conforto
Jorge Soler
Mark Canha
Corey Dickerson
Tommy Pham
Starling Marte
Yoshitomo Tsutsugo
Chris Taylor
RE: Noted  
mphbullet36 : 1/27/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15135720 DanMetroMan said:
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yesterday but the Brewers have let teams know Cain is not available, and have inquired into Turner and Eddie Rosario. I think the Brewers as-is are the favorites in the central.


has there anything been reported on the Cain front officially? I haven't seen anything on either front if he's on or off the market.
that FG projection on McCann does seem off  
Eric on Li : 1/27/2021 12:08 pm : link
he is going to be a really interesting player to watch this year because the range of outcomes is so great. But with that said he has a pretty substantial track record of controlling the running game and handling a pitching staff well. Plus 2 straight years of being a positive impact hitter and 1 year of improving his framing (which was supposedly a statistically relevant sample size even in the shortened year).

Without going back and digging up a longer form previous post from a few months, over the last couple years there has been a very slight statistical difference between Christian Vazquez and James McCann. 2019+2020 fwar has it 4.9 vs. 3.7 (and part of that difference is that Vazquez has 100+ more plate appearances). McCann has the higher offensive output those 2 years and Vazquez a little higher defensive output.

And yet in FG depth chart rankings they have the Red Sox 5th with Vazquez projected for 2.7 fwar and McCann projected at less than 1 win above replacement and as a negative impact hitter (80 wrc, which is 5 points below his career average). So for some reason they are projecting massive regression.

Like I said will be interesting to see how things shake out but if I had to bet it I think he will end up closer to Vazquez than where he's currently projected.
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DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15135861 mphbullet36 said:
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yesterday but the Brewers have let teams know Cain is not available, and have inquired into Turner and Eddie Rosario. I think the Brewers as-is are the favorites in the central.



has there anything been reported on the Cain front officially? I haven't seen anything on either front if he's on or off the market.


When do you hear players of Cain's ilk "officially" called off the market? That would be beyond unusual. Per multiple sources (most recently Robert Murray) the Brewers are looking to ADD payroll and see themselves in a position to win the central. They have resisted all calls on Cain and have "listened" on Hader if someone "blows them away". Heyman called the price "absurd".
Eric - good post  
KDavies : 1/27/2021 12:31 pm : link
agreed. A lot of these are mind-boggling. Cubs at only 16 with Contreras and Romine? Astros as high as #18 with Maldonado and Castro?

I do see where they rank by projected WAR, and they Nido is the only other C with a positive WAR, and it is only .1, so that hurts him. But it has McCann as a .9 player, when he was 1.3 in a shortened season last year. .9 is the same as Jason Castro.
Tanaka  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:33 pm : link
went home 1 for 8, I have to assume it was Yankees or bust because how could there have been 0 teams willing to match or beat that? 8! Ridiculous.
RE: that FG projection on McCann does seem off  
Named Later : 1/27/2021 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15135864 Eric on Li said:
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he is going to be a really interesting player to watch this year because the range of outcomes is so great.


And yet in FG depth chart rankings they have the Red Sox 5th with Vazquez projected for 2.7 fwar and McCann projected at less than 1 win above replacement and as a negative impact hitter (80 wrc, which is 5 points below his career average). So for some reason they are projecting massive regression.

Like I said will be interesting to see how things shake out but if I had to bet it I think he will end up closer to Vazquez than where he's currently projected.



When I went to that fangraph's link, it appeared that their rankings were heavily based on wOBA. I don't see how they can project a 'massive regression' based on that.

And I don't think any of the defensive metrics came into play on their list.

I don't pretend to understand some of these advanced metrics -- and weighted OBA is one that truly eludes me !!

Please help me understand how wOBA is factored into other, easier to understand metrics like WAR.
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mphbullet36 : 1/27/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15135890 DanMetroMan said:
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yesterday but the Brewers have let teams know Cain is not available, and have inquired into Turner and Eddie Rosario. I think the Brewers as-is are the favorites in the central.



has there anything been reported on the Cain front officially? I haven't seen anything on either front if he's on or off the market.



When do you hear players of Cain's ilk "officially" called off the market? That would be beyond unusual. Per multiple sources (most recently Robert Murray) the Brewers are looking to ADD payroll and see themselves in a position to win the central. They have resisted all calls on Cain and have "listened" on Hader if someone "blows them away". Heyman called the price "absurd".


Fair. I just saw the cubs recently say unless they get a "sweetheart" deal Bryant is staying. I didn't think he was on the market either...it has more been speculation on the mets fans side about a trade when Brewers haven't really said they need to shed salary.
Major  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:53 pm : link
The difference between Bryant and Cain, is the Cubs are clearly cutting payroll. Non-tendered Schwarber, fired over 100 employees, dumped Darvish and pretty openly are shopping Bryant (they spoke at the Mets and Dodgers are minimum, supposedly Washington as well but the Nats deny that). Cain rumors been flat-out fan-driven and now with the Brewers doing their annual "jump into FA's late" in conjunction with them apparently telling teams he's not available. No real reason to feel otherwise.
Probably  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 12:54 pm : link
dead now that they signed Semien but they apparently also discussed Bryant with Toronto.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 1:02 pm : link
Baseball America
@BaseballAmerica
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Pete Crow-Armstrong is a name to watch in 2021.

The Mets outfielder is one of our 13 breakout prospect picks this year.
FG  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 1:04 pm : link
projects the Mets as the 6th best team in baseball, 3rd in the NL.
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 1:22 pm : link
sign Darren O'Day
Zack  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 1:25 pm : link
Scott named "acting" GM
DiComo  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 2:34 pm : link
With Brad Hand gone to the Nationals, a source says the Mets are zeroing in on Aaron Loup for lefty bullpen help.

Loup, 33, posted a 2.52 ERA for the Rays last season, holding left-handed hitters to a .581 OPS. If a deal gets done, he'd fill a void in the Mets' righty-heavy pen.
RE: Yankees  
pjcas18 : 1/27/2021 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15135982 DanMetroMan said:
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sign Darren O'Day


still pissed the Mets cut him so someone could make a spot start.

I think you give Omar some credit for snagging him in Rule V the first place, but massive blame for being so short sighted and cutting him.

RE: RE: Yankees  
KDavies : 1/27/2021 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15136118 pjcas18 said:
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sign Darren O'Day



still pissed the Mets cut him so someone could make a spot start.

I think you give Omar some credit for snagging him in Rule V the first place, but massive blame for being so short sighted and cutting him.


I believe it was Nelson Figueroa, correct? I don't remember that at the time. I just remember reading an article a few years back where the Mets were looking at O'Day
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pjcas18 : 1/27/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15136147 KDavies said:
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sign Darren O'Day



still pissed the Mets cut him so someone could make a spot start.

I think you give Omar some credit for snagging him in Rule V the first place, but massive blame for being so short sighted and cutting him.




I believe it was Nelson Figueroa, correct? I don't remember that at the time. I just remember reading an article a few years back where the Mets were looking at O'Day


Figgy, yeah, he made the spot start.

And I don't remember the names, but there were a ton of shitty players the Mets could have DFA'd instead of O'Day.
Mets could have DFA'd 80% of the team  
KDavies : 1/27/2021 3:24 pm : link
That was a bad team. Yikes
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Loup  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 3:26 pm : link
swapped for Wilson is a push. They need to add another decent RP.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 3:39 pm : link
sign Loup
1 year deal for Loup  
KDavies : 1/27/2021 3:52 pm : link
any word on money? Looks like he's made between $1-2 million in the past, so I would expect it to be in that range
RE: 1 year deal for Loup  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15136210 KDavies said:
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any word on money? Looks like he's made between $1-2 million in the past, so I would expect it to be in that range


I also expect it to be cheap.
Sherman  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 4:09 pm : link
with a truly bizarre trade idea. Familia for Desmond. Uh... why? lol
Would Brett Garner  
Metnut : 1/27/2021 4:12 pm : link
be a good OF fit for us?

Older (a lot!) than I thought he was. Could be still play a passable CF as a backup?
hope for the best but he seems like he's mostly been a jag  
Eric on Li : 1/27/2021 4:18 pm : link
53 career high leverage innings, 52 runs allowed.
78 career medium leverage and 39 runs earned.

So he has mostly pitched as a low leverage reliever (220 innings) and done pretty good at that with just 58 runs allowed and a .600 OPS against. In medium or high leverage he has allowed near 800 OPS against.

for comparison, Brad Hand has pitched 129 high leverage innings with 99 runs against and a .650 OPS against. He's also pitched 229 medium leverage innings and only allowed 91 runs.

Justin Wilson's high (96 innings, 71 runs) and medium leverage (149 innings, 45 runs) are also much better than Loup's. Sub-700 ops against in all situations as well.

So hoping this is a very cheap deal. Don't see him as much more than a left handed version of Brach for middle innings.
RE: Would Brett Garner  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15136235 Metnut said:
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be a good OF fit for us?

Older (a lot!) than I thought he was. Could be still play a passable CF as a backup?


He's expected to return to the Yankees. I'm sure he'd be fine as a backup in CF but he's yet another LH OF
Not  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 4:21 pm : link
making this up... Ian Desmond 2019... NEGATIVE 21 DRS in CF.
RE: Not  
pjcas18 : 1/27/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15136247 DanMetroMan said:
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making this up... Ian Desmond 2019... NEGATIVE 21 DRS in CF.



Makes Nimmo's -3 DRS in 2019 look like Willie Mays.

Maybe that's the plan, sign Desmond, run him out there a few times, and have everyone begging to put Nimmo back in then you can say you're giving the people what they want.

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DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15136249 pjcas18 said:
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making this up... Ian Desmond 2019... NEGATIVE 21 DRS in CF.




Makes Nimmo's -3 DRS in 2019 look like Willie Mays.

Maybe that's the plan, sign Desmond, run him out there a few times, and have everyone begging to put Nimmo back in then you can say you're giving the people what they want.


I'd truly role the dice on Dom in CF over Desmond. I'd give Familia away but Desmond posted NEGATIVE fWAR 2017-2019 and then sat out 2020. That would be a moronic trade.
I just burst out laughing at the thought  
KDavies : 1/27/2021 4:31 pm : link
of Dom in CF
RE: I just burst out laughing at the thought  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15136257 KDavies said:
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of Dom in CF


He'd be a disaster but at least he's a hard worker and played OF in 2020. What was Desmond doing out there in 2019 to post a -21? wow.
Dom  
pjcas18 : 1/27/2021 4:34 pm : link
would be better in CF than Duda or Murphy were in LF.
RE: Not  
JB_in_DC : 1/27/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15136247 DanMetroMan said:
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making this up... Ian Desmond 2019... NEGATIVE 21 DRS in CF.


How does a guy get enough burn out there to even allow that to happen?
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DanMetroMan : 1/27/2021 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15136333 JB_in_DC said:
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making this up... Ian Desmond 2019... NEGATIVE 21 DRS in CF.



How does a guy get enough burn out there to even allow that to happen?


I'd be completely lying if I said I watched the 2019 Rockies enough to say but just guessing, 100% money related. -8 OAA so the metrics agree, not good.
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Metnut : 1/27/2021 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15136260 DanMetroMan said:
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of Dom in CF



He'd be a disaster but at least he's a hard worker and played OF in 2020. What was Desmond doing out there in 2019 to post a -21? wow.


Jay Bruce put up a negative 20 in 2016. Was brutal to watch and still annoyed me that we not only got him but brought him back.
Hate to be the stat  
pjcas18 : 1/27/2021 5:59 pm : link
denier, but DRS is kind of flaky.

Jeter (for example) was once -27 DRS at SS, while still in his prime. Oh, and he won the gold glove that year.

then a few years later, comparable # of innings he's plus 3 DRS.

then a couple years later, toward the end of his career - 18 DRS.

Seems to fluctuate too much year by year - reminds me a little of PFF ratings.

RE: Dom  
moze1021 : 1/27/2021 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15136262 pjcas18 said:
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would be better in CF than Duda or Murphy were in LF.


Todd Hundley in LF was even worse!
On Syndrrgaards Twitter  
Earl the goat : 1/27/2021 6:46 pm : link
Something big to come
RE: On Syndrrgaards Twitter  
GF1080 : 1/27/2021 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15136397 Earl the goat said:
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Something big to come


Interesting. Extension? Probably nothing though.
Loup  
NewBlue : 1/27/2021 8:30 pm : link
LOOGY....
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Shecky : 1/27/2021 8:33 pm : link
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Something big to come



Interesting. Extension? Probably nothing though.

No clue what it is, but def not an extension
RE: RE: On Syndrrgaards Twitter  
CGiants07 : 1/27/2021 8:49 pm : link
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Something big to come



Interesting. Extension? Probably nothing though.

probably talking about a milestone in his rehab
sounds like steven matz maybe on the move  
CGiants07 : 1/27/2021 9:28 pm : link
as a contigency of bauer outage
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