Realistic Offseason Plan

Pick-up 2nd or 3rd tier OL depth, but they must be versatile..

Go to the draft for WRs and CB

other than the all pro types like Williams. There are a number of teams who have cap space and will be much better next season and a team like New Orleans who will feel the pain. The Giants have contracts that can be worked with to create cap space and players who can be released. I just want Williams back and find a WR in free agency so we are not backed into a corner at the draft.

1. Extend Zietler 1-2 years and free $4-6M space
2. Cut Solder
3. Re-sign Flemming (or comparable vet OT) for $2-3M to be the swing OT (Thomas/Peart start)
4. Cut Tate
5. Sign LW long term - 5 yrs/$90M
6. Let DT walk
7. Sign a 2nd tier WR on a team friendly deal. Personally, I'd like Corey Davis for 1 year/$10-12M which may be a little low, but I don't think is unrealistic given his up-and-down performance and the cap decrease. Also gives him the flexibility to get paid next offseason if he has a big season.
8. Not sure who, but I'd look for another CB in the secondary FA market too. See if there's another Ryan that can't get what he wants initially and then settles for a 1 year deal.

Personally avoiding the 'big 3' WRs (Robinson, Golloday, Godwin) as I think they'll all be substantially overpaid.

Draft
WR/CB/ER - grab one of each on 1st two days. Specific player/round for each is based on value at the time.

Day 3 - at least one G/C, at least one TE, DL depth.

Otherwise the D takes a step back. That shouldn't happen. I believe that is possible under our cap situation. After that it's some lower priced FA. The draft should prioritize upgrading the talent at WR. EDGE, OL, TE, CB are all on the table for other draft choices or FA.

They all get resolved. I’ve probably posted that the last 3 years on this site. I think LW gets resigned to a fat contract (🤮), they bring in a top 3 FA WR, and look for additional WR and CB help in rounds 1 and 2. They kick the can down the road again on finding that elusive alpha edge rusher. They hope Engram doesn’t fuck up as much in 2021 as he did in 2020. And they pray Jones’ improves his pocket awareness, decision making, and processing speed prior to week 1.

Cut the following players

Zeitler (12 million saved)
Tate (6 million saved)
Solder (6 million saved)
Core (2 million saved)
Mayo (2.3 million saved)

Sign LW 4 years 68 million with (40m guaranteed)

Let DT walk... tough but we don’t have the cap space
Let Gallman walk

Sign cheap veteran TE (1 year 5 million )

Draft

First Round Best Edge Rusher/CB available
Second Best WR/DT available
Third best available (WR/DT missed round 2)
4th Best OG or Tackle available
6th round best CB/WR available
6th round best RB Availabe.

Realistic plan to make the Giants a playoff team in 2021 unless the other 3 teams in the division have mass coved outbreaks.

In comment 15135828 Bones said:

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Realistic plan to make the Giants a playoff team in 2021 unless the other 3 teams in the division have mass coved outbreaks.

This is a great point as evidenced by how dominant those three teams were this season.

In comment 15135828 Bones said:

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Realistic plan to make the Giants a playoff team in 2021 unless the other 3 teams in the division have mass coved outbreaks.

That’s not true at all. The Giants controlled the division 3 weeks from the end of the season. The Eagles aren’t in great shape, WFT doesn’t have a QB, and the Cowboys have a ton of questions on D. With a good offseason we should definitely compete going into year 2 of Judge’s tenure.

He would be signed already.

In comment 15135847 adamg said:

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He would be signed already.

What’s a more realistic figure then ?

Re-sign:
DT Leonard Williams
DT Austin Johnson

Cut:
Golden Tate
David Mayo
Cody Core - then re-sign 1 year vet min
Levine Toilolo
Sam Beal
Nate Solder

Trade:
TE Evan Engram

Paycut:
Kevin Zeitler - trade for a day 3 pick if he refuses

FA:
Sign WR Nelson Agholor to a 2 year deal
Sign TE Jonnu Smith to a 3 year deal
Sign OT Kelvin Beachum 1 year deal
Sign G Forrest Lamp to a 1 year deal
Sign CB Dre Kirkpatrick to a 1 year deal

Draft:
1st - WR DeVonta Smith
2nd - OLB Joseph Ossai
3rd - G Deonte Brown
4th - WR Anthony Schwartz
5th - RB Jaret Patterson

or a list that details all the good to great players that could be had in a trade, this offseason. To me, that's how we get that player. Think Stephon Diggs.

What team is looking to blow things up at a certain position or even overall? What team thinks it has a glut of talent at a particular position and is open to moving the star player to make room for the younger player? Or what team just wants to nuke the whole thing like the Giants did back in 2018 when they traded the likes of JPP?

FA is one thing but I would be much more inclined to trade for that star if possible.

In comment 15135815 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Cut the following players Zeitler (12 million saved) Tate (6 million saved) Solder (6 million saved) Core (2 million saved) Mayo (2.3 million saved) Sign LW 4 years 68 million with (40m guaranteed) Let DT walk... tough but we don’t have the cap space Let Gallman walk Sign cheap veteran TE (1 year 5 million ) Draft First Round Best Edge Rusher/CB available Second Best WR/DT available Third best available (WR/DT missed round 2) 4th Best OG or Tackle available 6th round best CB/WR available 6th round best RB Availabe.

This plan seems very realistic to me, and I would sign up for it. Need to continue building the OLine.

I fear that 5/100/55 may be more realistic. I hope I am wrong though.

In comment 15135940 GeoMan999 said:

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I fear that 5/100/55 may be more realistic. I hope I am wrong though.

If he wants that much, then I’d let him walk and and focus on Tomlinson. Or we can play hardball with him and franchise him again.

I would get creative with extensions and move cap dollars to 2022. I would try to sign LW aggressively early. If we can't get him or he wants to wait completely give up on him and go elsewhere.

Cutting
Solder
Tate
Zeitler
Trading Engram if I can get an early 3 or better.

Then we have to see what falls to us in the draft will depend on where we go FA. Hoping for one of Pitts, Surtain, Chase, Smith, Parsons or Rousseau would trade back only if a decisive trade win because I think drop off is steep after we pick.

Really hard to pick FAs because it is so fluid and LW changes everything.

Cut:
Golden Tate
David Mayo
Levine Toilolo
Sam Beal
Nate Solder

Trade:
TE Evan Engram for 2022 pick
OG Kevin Zeitler for 2022 pick

Re-sign:
DT Leonard Williams 4/80
DT Dalvin Tomlinson 3/33

FA:
Sign CB Michael Davis 3/36
Sign TE Gerald Everett 3/20
Sign WR Curtis Samuel 3/24

Draft:
1st WR Kadarius Toney
2nd OT Alex Leatherwood
3rd ER Patrick Jones
4th Goes to the Jets for LW re-sign
5th RB Trey Sermon
6th WR Trevon Grimes
6th TE Jeremy Ruckert
7th OG Deonte Brown

In comment 15135950 JoeyBigBlue said:

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In comment 15135940 GeoMan999 said: Quote: I fear that 5/100/55 may be more realistic. I hope I am wrong though. If he wants that much, then I’d let him walk and and focus on Tomlinson. Or we can play hardball with him and franchise him again.

I think 4 years is more likely, but yeah, I think he wants 20 per.

In comment 15135983 adamg said:

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Cut: Golden Tate David Mayo Levine Toilolo Sam Beal Nate Solder Trade: TE Evan Engram for 2022 pick OG Kevin Zeitler for 2022 pick Re-sign: DT Leonard Williams 4/80 DT Dalvin Tomlinson 3/33 FA: Sign CB Michael Davis 3/36 Sign TE Gerald Everett 3/20 Sign WR Curtis Samuel 3/24 Draft: 1st WR Kadarius Toney 2nd OT Alex Leatherwood 3rd ER Patrick Jones 4th Goes to the Jets for LW re-sign 5th RB Trey Sermon 6th WR Trevon Grimes 6th TE Jeremy Ruckert 7th OG Deonte Brown

I rather keep Engram at 6 million than sign Everett for 3 years and 20 mil.

Everett for 8 mill and 5-6th rounder or Engram for 6. I'm taking the former.

That's Everett for 6.7 not 8.

That signing Leonard Williams is a priority, but its time to also be smart about these things, the market is going to be flooded with players getting released, you can't sign a player for 20 million when other players get 10. They need to take their time and let the market value set itself, uts not a typical season, overpaying players is a great way to screw everything up. The team needs an edge rusher, needs a cornerback, and needs to continue to add to the defensive line. They needto add to the offensive line also, need a tight end,a running back, and a wide reciever or two. They need to do all that and keep the salary structure in good shape. How they do that will be what tells us if the organization is moving in the right direction because it's time to be an above .500 team.

In comment 15135877 Jay on the Island said:

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FA: Sign WR Nelson Agholor to a 2 year deal Sign TE Jonnu Smith to a 3 year deal Sign OT Kelvin Beachum 1 year deal Sign G Forrest Lamp to a 1 year deal Sign CB Dre Kirkpatrick to a 1 year deal

Some interesting names here. Do you really think they'll be a lot of 1 year deals? I'd be surprised if all those guys took such short term deals. What do you think Agholor would get per year?

Kelvin Beachum is an interesting figure. He seems to have been underpaid. 2 mill last year to be a starting tackle? Weird.

Forrest Lamp is a name I haven't heard in a while. What's his deal? Just injuries? Could be a high upside kind of signing.

For all you people that propose cutting Ziegler how does that not make us worse? Who you going to replace him with? Hernandez? Please the guy has gotten worse the last 2 years and lost his job to a rookie this year. You need a better alternative than Hernandez or this line takes a big step back from being mediocre at best. We are talking about a 3 year pro here not a rookie. The trend is down. Not to mention Lemieux still has a ways to go in development. Run game was OK with him but pass blocking was an issue.

The priorities besides resigning LW and DT is getting a WR, edge guy and corner. I am not drafting a TE with the first pick. As frustrating as EE is that is probably the fifth need at best.

Keep Zeitler of possible.....

Tomillson would be a nice to have....but not a must have...I like him but replaceable.

As FA goes....I would go with

Curtis Samuel....only 25, has a DG connection....and arrow pointing up.

Bud Dupree.....must be healthy....maybe prove it deal....but he single handedly wreak the Giants last year....seems to fit skene and multi-deminsonal edge

Get a 2 way TE....

Tate must go. Solder probably retire. All the old guys that looked old (Lewis, etc)....

Draft top corner.....D should be strong.

Cluster draft Wars, get a guard and a 2 way TE and developmental RB.

In comment 15136096 Bruner4329 said:

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For all you people that propose cutting Ziegler how does that not make us worse? Who you going to replace him with? Hernandez? Please the guy has gotten worse the last 2 years and lost his job to a rookie this year. You need a better alternative than Hernandez or this line takes a big step back from being mediocre at best. We are talking about a 3 year pro here not a rookie. The trend is down. Not to mention Lemieux still has a ways to go in development. Run game was OK with him but pass blocking was an issue. The priorities besides resigning LW and DT is getting a WR, edge guy and corner. I am not drafting a TE with the first pick. As frustrating as EE is that is probably the fifth need at best.

Cutting Zeitler saves us 12 million. You need that cap space to sign Williams or any other priority Free Agent. You can also get a veteran guard at a quarter of that price. Zeitler is good but he’s not 14 mill good at this point in time.

As market will not be great...seems to like being here....an entirely new right side is not ideal ..and not sure, finding a compreable replacement will be that easy....

But I suspect DG and Judge will figure out best course of action.

1. Resign Williams, Tomlinson , Sheard. Gallman
2. Trade/Cut Engram and sign FA Jonnu Smith.
3. Restructure Tate, Zeitler, Solder.
2. Draft a WR in round 1. (Chase, Bateman)
3. Draft
OT (pass protect/run block) (Eichenberg, Radunz, Abraham Lucas)
IOL. (pass protect/run block) (Davis, Humphrey, Deonte Brown, Cleveland, Trey Hill, Drake Jackson)
ER (Basham, Joe Tryon, Merlin Robertson, Odighizuwa, Ossai, Victor Dimukeje)
LB (Ventrell Miller, Pete Werner, Garret Wallow, Chazz Surratt)
CB (Mukuamu, Eric Stokes, Josh Jobe, Roger McCreary, Patrick Jones, Chase Lucas, Jaycee Horn)

I want Leo back. Long term.
I want a good #2 corner like JC from NE
I want a good edge rusher like Reddick from AZ

In comment 15135765 Big Blue '56 said:

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Pick-up 2nd or 3rd tier OL depth, but they must be versatile.. Go to the draft for WRs and CB

This seems pretty reasonable, but I'd add an ER somehow somewhere

In comment 15136078 adamg said:

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In comment 15135877 Jay on the Island said: Quote: FA: Sign WR Nelson Agholor to a 2 year deal Sign TE Jonnu Smith to a 3 year deal Sign OT Kelvin Beachum 1 year deal Sign G Forrest Lamp to a 1 year deal Sign CB Dre Kirkpatrick to a 1 year deal Some interesting names here. Do you really think they'll be a lot of 1 year deals? I'd be surprised if all those guys took such short term deals. What do you think Agholor would get per year? Kelvin Beachum is an interesting figure. He seems to have been underpaid. 2 mill last year to be a starting tackle? Weird. Forrest Lamp is a name I haven't heard in a while. What's his deal? Just injuries? Could be a high upside kind of signing.

Due to camp constraints this upcoming offseason I expect a lot of players to land 1 year deals in order to re-enter FA in a year when the cap goes up again.

Agholor is a tough guy to predict. I think he will get 6-9 million per season but he had a very good year for the Raiders averaging over 18 yards a reception.

I have been a fan of Beachum since he was a Steeler and he would replace Fleming as the swing tackle and insurance if Peart isn't completely ready. He should be cheaper than Fleming was. I'm guessing a 1 year $2.5 million deal.

Forrest Lamp dealt with injuries and bad luck with the Chargers. He is exactly the type of player I hope the Giants target this offseason. He started all 16 games at guard and gave up 2 sacks. He had an up and down season but it was his first full season so he should get better with a full healthy offseason. A 1 year prove it deal could prove to be a big win for the Giants if he improves and begins to live up to his potential.

not camp

my priority signs are both LW and DT. Then another mig to high level CB or LB. In the draft I go WR and WR in rounds 1 and 2 (or Pitts and then WR). (All assuming Parsons doesn't fall; if he does it would be Parsons/WR/WR). The BPA with emphasis on OL and CB.

Does Solder decide to retire?

Make a decision on Tate. Probably a cut

Sign LW within reason

See if there are any reasonable trade offers for Engram

Realize that DT is not going to be retained, unless LW becomes cost prohibitive.

Ascertain trade value of players who may not be in long term plans: Ximenes, Beal.

1. Extend Zietler 1-2 years and free $4-6M space
2. Cut Solder
3. Re-sign Flemming (or comparable vet OT) for $2-3M to be the swing OT (Thomas/Peart start)
4. Cut Tate
5. Sign LW long term - 5 yrs/$90M
6. Let DT walk unless less than $8M / Resign Johnson
7. Sign a 2nd tier TE on a team friendly deal. Personally, I'd like Dan "BIG DAN" Arnold for 3 year/$15M
8. Low Cost CB
9. Resign Gallman
10. Look for bargins....Bud Dupree 1yr 12M, Kyle Fackrell 1yr 4M, Malcom Brown when cut by Saints, Preston Smith if Cut by the Packers, CB Robert Alford when cut by Arizona???