and the right guy to coordinate it. Their one kyptonite is a team that can beat them upfront physically and run the ball and why the Raiders beat them once and almost a second time.
works well when your opponent is constantly behind.
It think it works really well as long as he has the players.. It doesn't need a great offense to work.. When you take away the talent no defensive cordinator outside of BB can make the defense work..
I was not one of his fanboys here, I thought he did well when he had a lot of talent, but tried to too often force the issue when he didn't. I think the KC D has talent, but it isn't like the 2007 Giants D.
While playing with a lead, and behind an offense opponents know is going to score points, is a significant benefit, I still think Spags has done a terrific job here. He was prone to too many blitzes, leaving DB's on an island too often, but he seems to have found the right mix.
works well when your opponent is constantly behind.
That's not true. There were a bunch of times last year where the D was the reason for the victory. KC had plenty of games last year where they started out slow offensively. Spags deserves a ton of credit.
I don't think he does anything special or unorthodox, but I do appreciate his aggressive nature and how he forces other teams to deal with pressure to make plays.
Because there are plays to be made against his defense, especially this Chiefs D...
If talent were equal, I still much prefer Spags’ style to Graham’s style. I prefer an aggressive defense to a bend but don’t break defense every time. He’s done a good job in KC.
His defense is very precise and exacting on players...
...so that his best playmakers can make plays. If players use shit technique then his defense won't work.
I would say it's not scheme-dependent, but technique dependent. It takes time to learn and do right.
In 2007 we had consummate, intelligent pros like Strahan, Tuck, Pierce, and Osi in the front 7 and Madison and McQuarters in the backfield. Right now the Spags is working with similar players in KC.
His scheme is still boom or bust, especially in close games, but with the horses it can be executed. Would not be surprised if a number of the coaching staff on that D are looked at for DC positions in the future.
Brendan Daly, their DL Coach/Run Game coordinator, also coached with Judge in New England.
Sam Madison, their DB coach, requires no further explanation.
But, when he has the right players, it's a really good trick. When he doesn't, he has had some really bad defenses.
He's a good DC, but not a versatile one. He isn't capable of making the kind of adjustments Belichick made in the 1990 playoff run.
I get it that he is not Belichick.. but no one else is.. Spags is as good as most of the other good DCs.. the 2007 playoff run against 3 of the best offenses and we held them all down.. It was because of lot of adjustments and proper game planning..
Has always been a very good defensive coordinator, when his players perform his schemes work just fine. He is not a great defensive coordinator, not in my opinion, but three rings are a lot of proof he is very good.
He has proven he is a very good, top defensive coordinator
worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
They were horrific, but for some reason Andy Reid hired him. Guess he wasn't that bad..
worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
They were horrific, but for some reason Andy Reid hired him. Guess he wasn't that bad..
If you have the pass rushers, Spags is great. Without them the D goes to sh*t. Andy Reid knew he had the horses so Spags was a great hire. Someone like Graham is better for what the Giants currently are.
First, I like Spags and will always think well of him for the job he did with the Giants.
Second, I think the point made above - that Spags is great as a DC when he has the horses for his system, but not versatile enough when he doesn't - is a fair one.
Third, he's a very good DC but not head coach material.
I'm not sure whether I have any rooting interest either way in this Super Bowl but Spags would lean me towards the Chiefs. Although in a perverse way the Giants' hex on Brady makes me kinda want to root for the Bucs. In other words - we're the only ones who can stop him.
First, I like Spags and will always think well of him for the job he did with the Giants.
Second, I think the point made above - that Spags is great as a DC when he has the horses for his system, but not versatile enough when he doesn't - is a fair one.
Third, he's a very good DC but not head coach material.
I'm not sure whether I have any rooting interest either way in this Super Bowl but Spags would lean me towards the Chiefs. Although in a perverse way the Giants' hex on Brady makes me kinda want to root for the Bucs. In other words - we're the only ones who can stop him.
That take went out the door when Foles and the Eagles beat beat Brady
and I think it's fair, the deeper you go in the playoffs, the more coaching matters because talent disparities decrease.
The question for a coach at his position is: can I win a SB with him there? He's proven 2x you can. Possibly 3 soon.
If he has the team he can win with it.
His Ds are boom/bust, but I'd rather that than safe enough to never be blamed but never win it all either.
Can he take his'n and beat your'n, then turn around and take your'n and beat his'n?* Maybe not.
But he can take his'n and beat the living shit out of your'n if he's got the players.
(*Bum Phillips quote about what a great coach can do, speaking of Bear Bryant. If you don't recognize that quote, do you even football, bro?)
worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
They were horrific, but for some reason Andy Reid hired him. Guess he wasn't that bad..
If you have the pass rushers, Spags is great. Without them the D goes to sh*t. Andy Reid knew he had the horses so Spags was a great hire. Someone like Graham is better for what the Giants currently are.
This. Our current roster on defense would be a horrible unit with Spags' scheme.
It think it works really well as long as he has the players.. It doesn't need a great offense to work.. When you take away the talent no defensive cordinator outside of BB can make the defense work..
While playing with a lead, and behind an offense opponents know is going to score points, is a significant benefit, I still think Spags has done a terrific job here. He was prone to too many blitzes, leaving DB's on an island too often, but he seems to have found the right mix.
That's not true. There were a bunch of times last year where the D was the reason for the victory. KC had plenty of games last year where they started out slow offensively. Spags deserves a ton of credit.
Glad he has a shot to win another one.
I don't think he does anything special or unorthodox, but I do appreciate his aggressive nature and how he forces other teams to deal with pressure to make plays.
Because there are plays to be made against his defense, especially this Chiefs D...
I would say it's not scheme-dependent, but technique dependent. It takes time to learn and do right.
In 2007 we had consummate, intelligent pros like Strahan, Tuck, Pierce, and Osi in the front 7 and Madison and McQuarters in the backfield. Right now the Spags is working with similar players in KC.
Brendan Daly, their DL Coach/Run Game coordinator, also coached with Judge in New England.
Sam Madison, their DB coach, requires no further explanation.
He's a good DC, but not a versatile one. He isn't capable of making the kind of adjustments Belichick made in the 1990 playoff run.
He's a good DC, but not a versatile one. He isn't capable of making the kind of adjustments Belichick made in the 1990 playoff run.
I get it that he is not Belichick.. but no one else is.. Spags is as good as most of the other good DCs.. the 2007 playoff run against 3 of the best offenses and we held them all down.. It was because of lot of adjustments and proper game planning..
Yeah, Belichick, Jim Johnson and Buddy Ryan and LeBeau were 4 of the best DCs in my lifetime
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
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worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
They were horrific, but for some reason Andy Reid hired him. Guess he wasn't that bad..
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worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
They were horrific, but for some reason Andy Reid hired him. Guess he wasn't that bad..
If you have the pass rushers, Spags is great. Without them the D goes to sh*t. Andy Reid knew he had the horses so Spags was a great hire. Someone like Graham is better for what the Giants currently are.
Second, I think the point made above - that Spags is great as a DC when he has the horses for his system, but not versatile enough when he doesn't - is a fair one.
Third, he's a very good DC but not head coach material.
I'm not sure whether I have any rooting interest either way in this Super Bowl but Spags would lean me towards the Chiefs. Although in a perverse way the Giants' hex on Brady makes me kinda want to root for the Bucs. In other words - we're the only ones who can stop him.
Second, I think the point made above - that Spags is great as a DC when he has the horses for his system, but not versatile enough when he doesn't - is a fair one.
Third, he's a very good DC but not head coach material.
I'm not sure whether I have any rooting interest either way in this Super Bowl but Spags would lean me towards the Chiefs. Although in a perverse way the Giants' hex on Brady makes me kinda want to root for the Bucs. In other words - we're the only ones who can stop him.
That take went out the door when Foles and the Eagles beat beat Brady
The question for a coach at his position is: can I win a SB with him there? He's proven 2x you can. Possibly 3 soon.
If he has the team he can win with it.
His Ds are boom/bust, but I'd rather that than safe enough to never be blamed but never win it all either.
Can he take his'n and beat your'n, then turn around and take your'n and beat his'n?* Maybe not.
But he can take his'n and beat the living shit out of your'n if he's got the players.
(*Bum Phillips quote about what a great coach can do, speaking of Bear Bryant. If you don't recognize that quote, do you even football, bro?)
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worst 6 defenses in NFL history (might be 7 after the Cowboys disaster this year). You can claim that he didn't have the talent with those teams, that is true, but he showed no ability to adapt to the personnel he had. We saw it here in 2015 and 2017. Those defenses weren't just bad, they were horrific. That has to go on his record as well.
They are on his record..No one's going to look at that when he has 3 rings. Nor should they. The rings are much more significant.
They were horrific, but for some reason Andy Reid hired him. Guess he wasn't that bad..
If you have the pass rushers, Spags is great. Without them the D goes to sh*t. Andy Reid knew he had the horses so Spags was a great hire. Someone like Graham is better for what the Giants currently are.
This. Our current roster on defense would be a horrible unit with Spags' scheme.