Is BJ Hill a starting DL?

Will in a contract year next year, so he’ll be motivated to give his best effort. I’d say good bye to Tomlinson, draft a DT second or third round, and let Hill start. He

and also add another DL on day 2 or early day 3 of the draft. Let them all battle for the starting job.

as good as Tomlinson in stopping the run but he may be better at creating a pass rush.

They also play different positions. Tomlinson lined up over the center, Hill is a DE.

The question the front office needs to answer in deciding Tomlinson's fate is if they believe Dexter Lawrence can play over center.

I'm not the most well versed when it comes to evaluating the nuances of DL play, but I'm trying to think of any impact plays he's had, even down to the level where his mere presence opens things up for others on the line or EDGE, and nothing is really coming to mind.

off-season, and I hope that better eyes than mine or "ours" on BBI are studying the question in depth right now.

BJ Hill is key to whether or not DT should be resigned and at what cost.

I really hope we don't go into this draft needing to draft an interior DL. It's a relatively weak class for DT/DL, but a deep and strong one for OL, WR, and CB, with a decent ER here or there, not much to pick from.

From the by now dozens of mocks I have run on PFN's simulator, by FAR the strengths of this draft class - and it's a good one, real pieces right through the 6th round it seems - are WR, CB, and OL.

Keeping the plus DL group intact for a few years is key, but who does "intact" include?

when they play different positions?

and others have pointed out, they play different position. What others seem to neglect is that Lawrence could move over and fill DT's 1 gap spot.

There have been some games where Hill had gotten more snaps than DT. While it didn't show up much in the stats, I think he did a good job and there is a lot of good film on him in that role. Gettleman is also on record a year or two ago that seemed to diminish DT's talent as when DG mentioned that he was the one lineman who really didn't have pass rushing talent.

If we replaced, Hill in the 3 man rotation (again Lawrence moves to the nose) we would lose some in run defense but gain in pass rush. We would however lose Hill as the 4th lineman so overall we would be worse (although I really like Austin Johnson in the role that he had this year).

My hope is that if the Giants decided to move on from DT due to Hill being on the roster, we prioritize extending him.

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Hill too 375 snaps....dexter and DT topok 650....LW took 800... so, 375 is pretty good involvement. If he replaces DT at 650, you need to question what you lost in that switch, and you still need to replace anotyher 400 snaps. Hill is a pretty good defensive lineman with some upside. Some of this will come down to the choices and additions they need at other postitions.

I like DT a lot. I like Hill. Our interior defensive line rotation was one of our strengths. If the Giants think Hill can step in and replace DT without much of an impact (factoring cost) then YES I want to extend Hill.

Good teams extend their younger players early. We've been so bad at drafting as we rarely do this. We did it with Sheppard. I'm actually not sure how that is going to play out. The other recent notable example is Nick Gates which appears to be an absolute home run.

If we can get a solid edge rusher, I can see both Hill's and Lawrence's sack numbers to go up. I really don't have an interest in continuing to replace good players. Extend him early.

Rather than Hill. But I think it's a fair point you're making.

In comment 15135898 Giantsfan79 said:

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as good as Tomlinson in stopping the run but he may be better at creating a pass rush. They also play different positions. Tomlinson lined up over the center, Hill is a DE. The question the front office needs to answer in deciding Tomlinson's fate is if they believe Dexter Lawrence can play over center.

All correct which why this is a good question - for next offseason.

In comment 15135898 Giantsfan79 said:

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as good as Tomlinson in stopping the run but he may be better at creating a pass rush. They also play different positions. Tomlinson lined up over the center, Hill is a DE. The question the front office needs to answer in deciding Tomlinson's fate is if they believe Dexter Lawrence can play over center.

I think nose will be Dex's best position. He will be a nightmare there. I also wouldn't be surprised if DL is addressed fairly early in the draft.

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In comment 15135898 Giantsfan79 said: Quote: as good as Tomlinson in stopping the run but he may be better at creating a pass rush. They also play different positions. Tomlinson lined up over the center, Hill is a DE. The question the front office needs to answer in deciding Tomlinson's fate is if they believe Dexter Lawrence can play over center. I think nose will be Dex's best position. He will be a nightmare there. I also wouldn't be surprised if DL is addressed fairly early in the draft.

assuming LW is resigned and Dex moves to the nose, then I don't think they should draft a d-lineman before Day 3. Hill/RJ McIntosh can battle for the other starting DE. Finding a backup DE isn't hard there will be plenty of vets willing to sign near the minimum and/or a late round draft pick or UDFA.

Find an outside edge rusher this year, and see what we have in Hill/McIntosh next year and if both of them fail address the position via the draft in 2022.

This assumes Tomlinson isn't resigned.

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when they play different positions?

Both BJ Hill and Dexter Lawrence have slid inside to NT when Tomlinson rests, but at the end of the year in pass rushing situations Hill often played nose.

Aside from that, Hill's contract comes up.aftet next year at the latest.

They well might pay 2 DL serious $$$ but they sure as hell aren't paying 3, and then Dexter Lawrence in two years to boot.

Got a good amount better when Williams was added. I think the Giants keep this in mind.

there is serious concern "in the building" that letting DT walk will come back to bite them in the ass, much like letting Linval Joseph walk was bad juju for the Jints. Joseph never became a pass rusher of note, but his run stopping ability was so good he became a worthy pro bowl level run stuffing NT who occupied double teams so effectively he kept the ILBS behind him clean to make play after play.

He was a conerstone member of a few very good playoff contending Vikings' defenses, while the Giants chased after DTs every year or two with fairly high to mid level draft picks, and never adequately replaced him until they shelled out huge $$$ for a very good run stopper but bad locker room lawyer type in Snacks Harrison.

The FO is deeply worried history might repeat itself if they let DT walk. Several sources have independently stated this. I guess they might all be hearing it from one source "inside the building" but it seems plausible enough.

Dex Lawrence was playing some NT. Man is he huge. He even dwarfs LW.

I wish they could keep DT and I also think the market could be a bad one for the players with the cap dropping about 12%. Maybe they can get him back relatively "cheap" for this year.

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Got a good amount better when Williams was added. I think the Giants keep this in mind.

Despite the fact that Hill went to the bench?

Move Dex to Nose with Leo and Payne DT....would be strong.

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Move Dex to Nose with Leo and Payne DT....would be strong.

You mean Paye? I thought he's an edge player.