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| 17 Deshaun Watson trade proposals, ranked from least likely to most likely to happen in the 2021 NFL offseason #12) New York Giants Giants send: 11th overall pick in 2021, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick, QB Daniel Jones Texans send: 2023 fourth-round pick, QB Deshaun Watson Jones showed virtually no growth in his second season, as his numbers stagnated or declined across the board. He missed two-plus games with injuries and led the league in fumbles for the second consecutive season. The best arguments that he's an NFL-caliber starting quarterback consist of his frame and the fact that at least one team thought he was worth the sixth overall pick in the 2019 draft. I'm not sure anybody is higher on Jones than the guy who would be trading him away, Giants general manager Dave Gettleman. Jones is still young enough to improve, but he hasn't been good enough for the Texans to plan their future around him, which leaves the Giants in a bind. Would they be willing to send three first-rounders and Jones to get a deal done? And after seeing one former Pats coach sink his franchise, would Watson want to go play for another Bill Belichick disciple in Joe Judge? |
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You're making shit up.
You do realize this is a message board where everyone does a lot of guessing, right? So I'm guessing why Gettleman wouldn't call.
Just so I have this right, Gettleman is so concerned about his legacy based on the QB he is responsible for leaving the team with that he wouldn’t even bother calling on....wait for it.....Deshaun Watson? Wouldn’t that be an enormous feather in his cap? If he turns the Daniel Jones pick into Watson I’d say that’s a franchise altering move. Yet, you think he’s more interested in proving he was right on Jones?
You know damn well that we will never know if the Giants contacted Houston or not. But this kind of thing is right up your alley. You get to speculate and ridicule the team after the fact for no reason whatsoever other than it’s your “opinion”.
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the Giants way narrative when Watson gets traded for something that people consider fairly reasonable and will make up that our buffoon GM never picked up the phone because he was all in on Daniel Jones just like he was all in on Eli.
It's predictable.
If the Giants GM doesn't pick up the phone, and Watson is dealt for something reasonable, is it illogical to conclude:
A) Maybe his a buffoon and/or
B) Maybe he is all-in on Jones
You mean, Gettleman AND Judge would be all in on Jones. Do you trust Judge's evaluation and opinion on the matter?
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the Giants way narrative when Watson gets traded for something that people consider fairly reasonable and will make up that our buffoon GM never picked up the phone because he was all in on Daniel Jones just like he was all in on Eli.
It's predictable.
If the Giants GM doesn't pick up the phone, and Watson is dealt for something reasonable, is it illogical to conclude:
A) Maybe his a buffoon and/or
B) Maybe he is all-in on Jones
Unless they pull off a trade we will never know whether he picked up the phone or not. There will be conflicting reports and fans will take who her side they want. Gettleman could come out and say that he called and certain posters on this board will say he’s lying. We’ve been down that road before.
And then you just HAVE to inject that our buffoon GM won't pick up the phone into the discussion, which will easily take it right back off the rails.
The discussions go south when QBs not named Jones or Watson (for the purposes of this thread) get pulled in. Posters are grasping at straws to make whatever argument they can that Jones will be better than what he's shown. But here are the simple facts:
Jones: 26 starts, 8-18 record, 35 TD/22 INT, 6.6 Y/A, 3 rushing TDs, 29 fumbles
Watson: 53 starts, 28-25 record, 104/36, 8.3 Y/A, 17 rushing TDs, 30 fumbles
Done. That's it. One guy has been very good, one guy has been bad. Josh Rosen, Ryan Tannehill, Sam Darnold, and ESPECIALLY Eli Manning have nothing to do with any of it.
As for Gettleman - he talks like a buffoon and he's done his job like a buffoon. He IS a buffoon. Don't blame us for that...we didn't hire him.
And UConn is correct - trading for Watson would be shrewd and savvy. That is exactly why many of us wouldn't expect Gettleman to do it. As Giants GM he has shown himself to be neither shrewd nor savvy.
It sucks for us, but pretending isn't going to make it go away.
You do realize this is a message board where everyone does a lot of guessing, right? So I'm guessing why Gettleman wouldn't call.
Just so I have this right, Gettleman is so concerned about his legacy based on the QB he is responsible for leaving the team with that he wouldn’t even bother calling on....wait for it.....Deshaun Watson? Wouldn’t that be an enormous feather in his cap? If he turns the Daniel Jones pick into Watson I’d say that’s a franchise altering move. Yet, you think he’s more interested in proving he was right on Jones?
You know damn well that we will never know if the Giants contacted Houston or not. But this kind of thing is right up your alley. You get to speculate and ridicule the team after the fact for no reason whatsoever other than it’s your “opinion”.
Let me put it differently. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Gettleman never inquires because he believe in Jones - for whatever reason you want to apply - and doesn't want to incur the opportunity cost.
Look, I would be love to be stunned if Gettleman could pull it off. It just doesn't feel like his game...
And I don't know if we will never now if Gettleman got involved or not. The beat reporters, and Asshats, should be all over this as a story because it's so big on a national scale.
But if you read Judge's comments about Jones since the season ended, he seems very content with Jones as well.
Hey, I'm dying to be bowled over on this and have to eat a big sh-t sandwich if Gettleman gets involved and pulls it off. It would be an organizational game changer.
I very much want to believe that Judge has eaten into some of Mara/Gettleman's decision-making power, but I'm not sure we've seen any evidence. There were rumors about Garrett and Judge not being on the same page all season, but during the annual pathetic "arrow pointing up" fireside chat Gettleman said they were antsy about losing Garrett.
So as not to anger anyone further I'll emphasize that I THINK if you got Judge in an honest moment he'd want to be rid of both Garrett and Jones.
Speculation for sure, but I think there's some merit in there. I don't take the Jones comments to mean much one way or the other, Judge knows exactly what to say at all times (it seems), and since they didn't have a top pick to land a Lawrence there's no point in not propping up Jones. Plus if memory serves he talked a lot about Jones' work ethic, character, and the improvements he's seen in practice (which started to come to fruition pre-injury). Nothing he said was wildly offbase unless i'm missing something.
I would agree with Terps on this one. It's entirely possible that Judge had to concede on some things he may have not wanted to, in order to secure a coveted NFL head coaching job.
Now that he seems to be a good coach, I can see him slowly start forcing the power of the organization over to his side. It's not crazy to think a young coach wanted to get his foot in the door; and if that meant a few (short term) concessions, so be it.
I think we've got to remember who Judge was when he got this job. I didn't even know what he looked like the day they hired him. He came into his interview a 38 year old guy with no head coaching experience and probably on his way out of the NFL down to Mississippi State. He wasn't going to be able to come into his interview and say "no" if he was told Jones was going to be the quarterback, and Garrett the OC.
He's gained some cache through his job performance in year 1, so hopefully his influence has grown. But doubt it's yet grown enough to override the stupid coming from Mara/Gettleman.
I've been saying it since they hired him: the best thing that could happen is Mara/Gettleman forget where the fucking building is, and Judge takes over everything.
With that said, I don't think it's difficult to conceive that Dave Gettleman might not have an interest in inquiring about Watson because how intrinsically linked he is with Daniel Jones. It very well might have to take Judge driving the agenda a bit on pushing the Giants to make an inquiry if he thought it was a good opportunity.
Their best partner is the Jets. They can get the #2 pick and turn that into Fields or Wilson (or maybe even Lance) and that is more enticing than Jones. Their second best partner is probably Miami.
So many unknowns it’s impossible to point to anything, let alone be definitive about it.
So many unknowns it’s impossible to point to anything, let alone be definitive about it.
ok when it comes out that the Texans want to pick a top-3 QB to rebuild with please make sure to give me some props. It's obvious isn't it? It should be just as obvious they aren't going to take our trash for their stud.
But if they can’t get that then what?
But if they can’t get that then what?
my guess, then they don't deal him. Or they get enough material to ensure they get at least Trey Lance.
Their best partner is the Jets. They can get the #2 pick and turn that into Fields or Wilson (or maybe even Lance) and that is more enticing than Jones. Their second best partner is probably Miami.
While I would agree its improbable Watson lands with the Giants for a whole host of reasons, Watson is indeed getting traded. And they are going to need a starting QB.
Jones may have plenty of questions but he is also young, a hard worker, well liked and there is tape on him playing in the NFL. Some of good and some of it not, but at least dealing with live bullets. Maybe he catches their eye in Houston over the college prospects.
What was the consensus on Stafford? His contract isn't that burdensome, either. I could live with him more as a short term upgrade.
Could he be had with a 2nd or 3rd and Jones? Or does Detroit sit at #7 and wait on who is left from Fields/Wilson/Lance?
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we have no idea what they want and what other teams are willing to give up. And who said we’d include Jones? Maybe we work 2 deals and send Jones elsewhere? What if the Jets balk?
So many unknowns it’s impossible to point to anything, let alone be definitive about it.
ok when it comes out that the Texans want to pick a top-3 QB to rebuild with please make sure to give me some props. It's obvious isn't it? It should be just as obvious they aren't going to take our trash for their stud.
You sure do run your mouth a lot for a guy that registered this month. In fact, you sound an awful Loy another troll we had hear that was absolutely OBSESSED with franchise quarterbacks. IHis handle was FranchiseQB. Or should I say YOUR handle was FranchiseQB it is absolutely you. Fucking troll.
By the way, you can holler at the moon all you want and tell us all who you think is the best trade partner. It doesn’t mean shit if those teams have no interest in making a deal or meeting Houston’s demands.
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we have no idea what they want and what other teams are willing to give up. And who said we’d include Jones? Maybe we work 2 deals and send Jones elsewhere? What if the Jets balk?
So many unknowns it’s impossible to point to anything, let alone be definitive about it.
ok when it comes out that the Texans want to pick a top-3 QB to rebuild with please make sure to give me some props. It's obvious isn't it? It should be just as obvious they aren't going to take our trash for their stud.
You sure do run your mouth a lot for a guy that registered this month. In fact, you sound an awful Loy another troll we had hear that was absolutely OBSESSED with franchise quarterbacks. IHis handle was FranchiseQB. Or should I say YOUR handle was FranchiseQB it is absolutely you. Fucking troll.
By the way, you can holler at the moon all you want and tell us all who you think is the best trade partner. It doesn’t mean shit if those teams have no interest in making a deal or meeting Houston’s demands.
So I see you registered last year., not this year. Got that one wrong. The rest of my post still stands. FranchiseQB troll
How about the Browns? He’s better than Mayfield.
Cardinals? He’s better than Murray.
Chargers? Probably better than Herbert.
Just about every team that isn’t KC, Buffalo or GB should be in.
How about the Browns? He’s better than Mayfield.
Cardinals? He’s better than Murray.
Chargers? Probably better than Herbert.
Just about every team that isn’t KC, Buffalo or GB should be in.
Ravens - No. LJax is in their long-term plans.
Browns - Maybe. Mayfield played great down the stretch.
Cardinals - Probably no, because I think Murray is very likely going to be a star.
Chargers - No. Herbert showed he has the goods after his rookie campaign. He could be better than Watson.
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we have no idea what they want and what other teams are willing to give up. And who said we’d include Jones? Maybe we work 2 deals and send Jones elsewhere? What if the Jets balk?
So many unknowns it’s impossible to point to anything, let alone be definitive about it.
ok when it comes out that the Texans want to pick a top-3 QB to rebuild with please make sure to give me some props. It's obvious isn't it? It should be just as obvious they aren't going to take our trash for their stud.
You sure do run your mouth a lot for a guy that registered this month. In fact, you sound an awful Loy another troll we had hear that was absolutely OBSESSED with franchise quarterbacks. IHis handle was FranchiseQB. Or should I say YOUR handle was FranchiseQB it is absolutely you. Fucking troll.
By the way, you can holler at the moon all you want and tell us all who you think is the best trade partner. It doesn’t mean shit if those teams have no interest in making a deal or meeting Houston’s demands.
I agree the team's have to meet the demands, or even be interested. You're wrong about one thing though. it's 2021 not 2020.
I think Watson could be drawn to the WFT. He's very serious about the roles of minorities in management. With Rivera as the HC, and now the hiring of Mayhew, that could appeal to DW...
How about the Browns? He’s better than Mayfield.
Cardinals? He’s better than Murray.
Chargers? Probably better than Herbert.
Just about every team that isn’t KC, Buffalo or GB should be in.
Maybe they will be but I think the teams you mention will stay with what they have. Watson may be better than them but perhaps the difference may seem marginal for now and they are building something substantial with those guys. But you never know.
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... that Giants don’t have the assets to tempt the Texans to part w/ their young star. It’s a completely unique event — a 25 year old who just led the NFL in passing yards AND yards per attempt with a big game winning pedigree suddenly available. I can’t remember a QB of this value/age ever switching teams. Will be interesting to see how it plays out ... and I hope he stays in the AFC.
I think Watson could be drawn to the WFT. He's very serious about the roles of minorities in management. With Rivera as the HC, and now the hiring of Mayhew, that could appeal to DW...
Agree. And with McLaurin, Young and Sweat, that’d suddenly be a solid team. No more WFAN 980 for me, it’d be intolerable.
That would be the finishing touches on his storied career as the NYG General Manager.
Barkley might be one of the only reasons Watson would agree to come to the Giants. Doesn’t Watson have a NTC?
I read that you don't need a roster. Just Watson and a (non-Garrett) OC is sufficient to win the SB. Plus you save on laundry costs with only one uniform to wash. Very cost-effective.
Posters are going too far the other way because they are so down on Gettleman.
Posters are going too far the other way because they are so down on Gettleman.
Yup. I’d trade for Watson but not at all costs. I mentioned it too many times but going full tilt the other way isn’t productive neither in the real world or in making conversation.
Posters are going too far the other way because they are so down on Gettleman.
That's really what many of these discussions boil down to. And if you don't fall in line - you become an apologist.
It also sets up the dialog going forward that if we don't ultimately trade for Watson it will be because the GM never picked up the phone and wasn't willing to pay what it would take to get Watson
Not sure where the 3rd rounder for Barkley came into discussion but that seems like just exaggerating as well.
If the Texans really like Jones as a franchise QB, and Barkley is deemed healthy, then I’d only toss in this year’s #11. And maybe - maybe - a future third rounder.
But being willing to roll with Jones as their franchise QB is a big tell and changes the dynamics of the picks.
I starting looking at other players that the Giants might be able to scoop up from a seemingly re-tooling Texans team...and pickin's are slim.
Would you make a deal to get JJ Watt on a one year 17.5 mil deal? If so - what do you think it would cost? IF you could make it fit cap-wise.
Another option is Zach CUnningham to put next to Blake M. - he's not very affordable - but that would make for one hell of a ILB tandem. If you could make him fit under the cap, what kind of draft picks would it take to land him?
The rest of that roster is a graveyard. THe Texans are looking at a REALLY long rebuild in front of them.
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if he was Dave Gettelman he’d offer Jones, Barkley and 3 Firsts for Watson...
If the Texans really like Jones as a franchise QB, and Barkley is deemed healthy, then I’d only toss in this year’s #11. And maybe - maybe - a future third rounder.
But being willing to roll with Jones as their franchise QB is a big tell and changes the dynamics of the picks.
For sure. I know why people want to discount Jones, I completely understand. But I don’t subscribe to everyone outside of the organization thinking he sucks, I just don’t. Too many questionable QBs have gone on to success elsewhere or netted a decent or even very good haul in trades. Maybe just maybe the situation here isn’t conducive to nurturing a QB with holes in his game. Maybe just maybe there’s better fits for him.
If the Texans really like Jones as a franchise QB, and Barkley is deemed healthy, then I’d only toss in this year’s #11. And maybe - maybe - a future third rounder.
But being willing to roll with Jones as their franchise QB is a big tell and changes the dynamics of the picks.
For sure. I know why people want to discount Jones, I completely understand. But I don’t subscribe to everyone outside of the organization thinking he sucks, I just don’t. Too many questionable QBs have gone on to success elsewhere or netted a decent or even very good haul in trades. Maybe just maybe the situation here isn’t conducive to nurturing a QB with holes in his game. Maybe just maybe there’s better fits for him.
I've said this a few times - the key in the negotiation is figuring out if Houston really likes a QB in this draft class.
If that's not their motivation, and they would be happy with a current young QB in the NFL (Jones, Darnold, etc), then I don't think a team would need to send a boat load of picks because you are helping them potentially solve the QB position. Maybe not as good as Watson, but someone with potential upside.
I feel the same way about the Jets if they were to get into the Watson sweepstakes. If they toss in Darnold, because Houston likes him, then less of a package of picks would be needed.
If Barkley is healthy, there may be some intrinsic value - arguably - because he could be marketed in a way to help sell more seats. That may be a stretch, but something to think about...
For sure. I know why people want to discount Jones, I completely understand. But I don’t subscribe to everyone outside of the organization thinking he sucks, I just don’t. Too many questionable QBs have gone on to success elsewhere or netted a decent or even very good haul in trades. Maybe just maybe the situation here isn’t conducive to nurturing a QB with holes in his game. Maybe just maybe there’s better fits for him.
I don't think it's about Jones sucking, I think it's more about HOU wanting to increase their chances of getting a franchise QB. It would be enormously risky to assume that Jones is going to be that guy. Now, outside of Lawrence, anyone they draft is going to be a question mark as well, but I think they would have a hard time selling Jones to their fans as Watson's replacement.
I still think Watson stays in HOU, and I would guess that their HC hire was one step to mend fences.
I don't think it's about Jones sucking, I think it's more about HOU wanting to increase their chances of getting a franchise QB. It would be enormously risky to assume that Jones is going to be that guy. Now, outside of Lawrence, anyone they draft is going to be a question mark as well, but I think they would have a hard time selling Jones to their fans as Watson's replacement.
I still think Watson stays in HOU, and I would guess that their HC hire was one step to mend fences.
What may help mending the fence, actually, is the hiring of Pep Hamilton as the QB coach for the Texans. On the heels of the development of Herbert, and being a minority, may at least give Watson a reason to have a conversation with the new staff...
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For sure. I know why people want to discount Jones, I completely understand. But I don’t subscribe to everyone outside of the organization thinking he sucks, I just don’t. Too many questionable QBs have gone on to success elsewhere or netted a decent or even very good haul in trades. Maybe just maybe the situation here isn’t conducive to nurturing a QB with holes in his game. Maybe just maybe there’s better fits for him.
I don't think it's about Jones sucking, I think it's more about HOU wanting to increase their chances of getting a franchise QB. It would be enormously risky to assume that Jones is going to be that guy. Now, outside of Lawrence, anyone they draft is going to be a question mark as well, but I think they would have a hard time selling Jones to their fans as Watson's replacement.
I still think Watson stays in HOU, and I would guess that their HC hire was one step to mend fences.
I think ESPN is also driving a lot of the conversation here regarding Watson asking for a trade and giving Watson more power than he has. Watson is under contract until 2025 and the Texans can dare him to sit out a season if they so choose. If Watson goes through with the threat to sit out the 2021 season then they will have to trade him, but Houston still has cards to play for at least another year. It's not like Watson is out of contract. They just signed him to a deal last year.
It's going to be a fascinating situation. An argument can be made his market value went up even higher with the Stafford deal.
Watson is in complete shut down mode with the Texans. I don't think the relationship is reparable and I expect things to get even messier...