Giants' trade proposal for Deshaun Watson by ESPN

too steep for Watson. Very good QB, but we're shopping while starving on BBI as well as this proposal.

E.g., would this mean no LW?

up in QB hell.

Watson has a mediocre team around him, Giants are 8 - 8 with no 1st round picks the next few years and then Watson is gone, your team sucks and you're forced to chase that elusive franchise QB.

And I say that as someone who loved Watson out of the draft and generally love Watson the football player.

I don't know what is happening in Houston but I don't like this much noise around the QB.

Also, as good as he's been, there's still lots to prove in the way of durability and playoff performance.

Picking #11 means the Texans wouldn't be able to secure a replacement for Watson this year unless they make another move. We would have to outbid other teams that could either

A) send a better/more promising starter back or
B) trade a top 3 pick this draft which the Texans could then use to draft a replacement.

only a 25 game vet, but giving up all that equity is foolish, imv..

What happened to the mantra on here that said the Giants have too many holes to be giving away draft picks? Especially high ones.

No thanks

I like Watson, good player but not as good as his stats imo and giving up that kind of draft capital would be too steep.

writing DJ off already

Yep, not to mention Watson hasn't exactly elevated his team to great heights either. His recent vocal approach doesn't bode well either, in my view.

You don't build a team without first round picks.
We're not a QB away from the Super Bowl.

Easy for ESPN to write this drivel because they'll never have to actually pull the trigger on one of these trades.

Three first rounders and Jones? For a 4th rounder and Watson.

You could drop a first rounder out of that deal and it still ain't happening.

on another thread.. yes.. it will take 3 first rounders. It's obviously. That's what it cost to get yourself an elite QB.

Let's put it another way. Would you give the last three Giants first rounders, (#2, #6 and #4) certainly a larger cost than their next three first rounders, for Watson. That would be Jones, Barkley and Thomas for Watson. If you say no, I think you aren't being realistic. Watson is most certainly worth those three players and more.

In comment 15136044 allstarjim said:

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Easy for ESPN to write this drivel because they'll never have to actually pull the trigger on one of these trades. Three first rounders and Jones? For a 4th rounder and Watson. You could drop a first rounder out of that deal and it still ain't happening.

then I would suggest that you have an unrealistic understanding of the market.

The Giants aren't good at drafting. They've had five 1st rounders in the past three years - Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Thomas - those five guys together don't add up to Watson.

It's a pipe dream anyway.

In comment 15136027 bc4life said:

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writing DJ off already

he's been awful.. maybe that's why.

Team with no talent and no draft picks to a team with no talent and .... no draft picks. Great.

I think it will end up being 2 first rounders. Maybe a couple later round picks as well.

If that were true, I think I would pull the trigger.

In comment 15136046 Producer said:

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In comment 15136044 allstarjim said: Quote: Easy for ESPN to write this drivel because they'll never have to actually pull the trigger on one of these trades. Three first rounders and Jones? For a 4th rounder and Watson. You could drop a first rounder out of that deal and it still ain't happening. then I would suggest that you have an unrealistic understanding of the market.

We'll see. You're not trading known quantities when you're trading several first round picks in the future. That's mortgaging your future and any team that would do such a trade I can nearly guarantee they will regret it. Perhaps a team that is 1 piece away it could work, like the Colts. And they aren't trading him to the Colts.

pro bowl, dual threat QB who has never had a bad season since he stepped on an NFL field.

in the package in lieu of one first rounder.

In comment 15136063 widmerseyebrow said:

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in the package in lieu of one first rounder.

Indeed. The injury/recovery likely makes it a non-starter...unfortunately.

if they want to suck for another 10 years. Watson would be begging to be traded again after year 1

No way.

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No way.

ok then you don't get a great QB that can win a championship and you are stuck with a mediocrity that has no shot to win a title.

In comment 15136060 bw in dc said:

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pro bowl, dual threat QB who has never had a bad season since he stepped on an NFL field.

yeah he won all of 4 games this season. Apparently he can't do it alone therefore he must suck.

In comment 15136090 GiantEgo said:

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In comment 15136060 bw in dc said: Quote: pro bowl, dual threat QB who has never had a bad season since he stepped on an NFL field. yeah he won all of 4 games this season. Apparently he can't do it alone therefore he must suck.

Why do you think Watson wants out? The organization imploded this year, on and off the field.

They win zero games without Watson this year, who played brilliantly.

He's done some good things some bad, cost them a few games trying to force things, kept them in some games almost by himself. But, whatever

So no 1st round picks for this year and next few years as well.

For a QB that will do... what? Giants aren't in win now mode and his contract makes it more difficult to build up the rest plus you take in account no 1st rounder picks to alleviate the cap room issue.

Watson throwing to stone hands Engram and these WR's is not gonna scare anyone.

I think people underestimate how good the Texans skill positions are. David Johnson got ripped apart and yeah he's overpaid, but still very good and a really good receiver. Prior to his injury, he was a top 3 RB.

In comment 15136100 Toth029 said:

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So no 1st round picks for this year and next few years as well. For a QB that will do... what? Giants aren't in win now mode and his contract makes it more difficult to build up the rest plus you take in account no 1st rounder picks to alleviate the cap room issue.

christian has broken down the math, but the YR1 cap hit for the acquiring team would be $10M.

Then the out-years could be renegotiated.

So the Giants should trade away all their draft capital like the Texans have over the last couple of years so they can be as good as them.

Oh wait

... I think Watson is a great player who you could win a SB with, and with Rodgers getting old, the NFC seems wide open. But it’s basically pointless to debate it too much b/c it’s not gonna happen lol.

In comment 15136108 Boatie Warrant said:

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So the Giants should trade away all their draft capital like the Texans have over the last couple of years so they can be as good as them. Oh wait

Yeah, I won’t bother anymore on this thread..

I think it’s safe to say that Barnwell isn’t as high on Jones as many in BBI are.

In comment 15136121 JoeyBigBlue said:

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I think it’s safe to say that Barnwell isn’t as high on Jones as many in BBI are.

and Barnwell is a Giants fan.

on this deal

And giving you 7 championships. Wait didn’t he win 4 games?

... but they were 10-6 and 11-5 and in the playoffs his previous 2 seasons, and he’s already got a playoff win under his belt. He had a ridiculously great 2020 despite losing Hopkins ... and is only 25. The cascading effects of guys wanting to play with him as the best under 30 QB in the NFC ... rolling ahead with Watson and Saquon and a 2nd round WR pick and our rebuilt defense ... eh, never mind.

No thank you

that 3 firsts is what it would take but that I wouldn't do that. No thanks on this. I want an upgrade at QB (which could also be Jones improving) but not that bad.

He’s a 25 year old elite QB. Those are really really hard to come by.

I take bw and GT seriously at that.

But, they strongly believe that with this particular jewel, you can play 1 v 53, and I part ways with them on that.

You would have a jewel in the desert. At least, for nostalgia's sake we would have Manning back. Alas, it would be Archie.

In comment 15136140 JoeyBigBlue said:

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He’s a 25 year old elite QB. Those are really really hard to come by.

With real big game experience (two national title games v Bama, played great in both, won one) and already 3 playoff games for a dysfunctional team. Zero chance that Texans would do it but fun to dream.

I would consider it. I think Watson is that much better than Jones and the NFC east is right there for the taking the next few years. But 3 is pushing it a little too much for me.

getting used too easily around here again.

In comment 15136148 Jim from Katonah said:

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In comment 15136140 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: He’s a 25 year old elite QB. Those are really really hard to come by. With real big game experience (two national title games v Bama, played great in both, won one) and already 3 playoff games for a dysfunctional team. Zero chance that Texans would do it but fun to dream.

Why is there zero chance from the Texans side? If the relationship is that bad and Watson refuses to play, what choice do they have but to deal him?

In comment 15136108 Boatie Warrant said:

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So the Giants should trade away all their draft capital like the Texans have over the last couple of years so they can be as good as them. Oh wait

So the assumption is that because the Texans traded away picks it can't be done? Hmmm.

The Rams traded away a lot of draft capital recently. How are they doing with a competent GM?

In comment 15136121 JoeyBigBlue said:

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I think it’s safe to say that Barnwell isn’t as high on Jones as many in BBI are.

Barnwell is a quality writer, and his evaluation is spot on. The only place that characterization of the current situation involving the Giants and their qb is the alternate BBI reality.

In comment 15136157 lax counsel said:

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In comment 15136121 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: I think it’s safe to say that Barnwell isn’t as high on Jones as many in BBI are. Barnwell is a quality writer, and his evaluation is spot on. The only place that characterization of the current situation involving the Giants and their qb is the alternate BBI reality.

That should read the only place that characterization is not true...

In comment 15136150 illmatic said:

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I would consider it. I think Watson is that much better than Jones and the NFC east is right there for the taking the next few years. But 3 is pushing it a little too much for me.

I get that as a counter. It's a big basket. However, if we were to do well with Watson, then those out-year draft picks are lower in first round value, etc, etc.

Look, Terps summed it up well - this is a pipe dream. So this is just a big spit-ball session anyway.

It's just that you don't get many cracks at a player of this caliber. Watson is a tremendous QB.