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| 17 Deshaun Watson trade proposals, ranked from least likely to most likely to happen in the 2021 NFL offseason #12) New York Giants Giants send: 11th overall pick in 2021, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick, QB Daniel Jones Texans send: 2023 fourth-round pick, QB Deshaun Watson Jones showed virtually no growth in his second season, as his numbers stagnated or declined across the board. He missed two-plus games with injuries and led the league in fumbles for the second consecutive season. The best arguments that he's an NFL-caliber starting quarterback consist of his frame and the fact that at least one team thought he was worth the sixth overall pick in the 2019 draft. I'm not sure anybody is higher on Jones than the guy who would be trading him away, Giants general manager Dave Gettleman. Jones is still young enough to improve, but he hasn't been good enough for the Texans to plan their future around him, which leaves the Giants in a bind. Would they be willing to send three first-rounders and Jones to get a deal done? And after seeing one former Pats coach sink his franchise, would Watson want to go play for another Bill Belichick disciple in Joe Judge? |
Jones is way better than Dilfer ever was. Pass.
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In comment 15136140 JoeyBigBlue said:
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He’s a 25 year old elite QB. Those are really really hard to come by.
With real big game experience (two national title games v Bama, played great in both, won one) and already 3 playoff games for a dysfunctional team. Zero chance that Texans would do it but fun to dream.
Why is there zero chance from the Texans side? If the relationship is that bad and Watson refuses to play, what choice do they have but to deal him?
I’d think a more nimble franchise would offer more.
Jones is way better than Dilfer ever was. Pass.
Well, that's a strange comp considering the Ravens had one of the all-time great defenses with Dilfer at QB.
Jones is way better than Dilfer ever was. Pass.
The Giants D is no where near the quality of the 200 Ravens.
Im all in on trading for Watson, he's a big upgrade over DJ. If DJ is the QB in 2021, its time to poop or get off the pot. And guess where that gets the Giants, back to square one and drafting another QB in the 2022 draft. But Trading for Watson and couple 1st round picks isn't worth it
Two thoughts on that:
1. Look at who is using the draft picks to fill the holes. I'd bet money our next three first round draft picks combined don't add up to Watson.
2. Watson could be on the market for a 7th rounder and the Giants wouldn't be interested.
Well, assuming Gettleman is still the GM for a few more years, what is your confidence level he would make the most of those picks?
I'm okay with the "blind squirrel finding a nut" counter, btw... ;)
Giving up three consecutive years of 1st round picks plus the 6th overall pick from two years ago is a surefire way of having a poor team with little depth and lots of holes.
Watson was one of the two best college players his last 2 seasons — led his team to two title games and won one in an epic game v Bama — has set numerous under 25 NFL passing/rushing combo records — has led two playoff runs on a dysfunctional franchise — and is ranked by his peers as the no. 20 overall player in the NFL. He’d be at worst the no. 3 QB in the NFC next year ... pretty close to elite but maybe great is premature. Maybe just “great start.”
Bingo.
Good thing the Union Army or Allied Forces didn't take that approach!
I don't know exactly what the issues are in Houston but I would venture a guess that much that has negatively impacted that franchise was brought on by Bill O'Brien the GM. Trading away picks and great players like hot cakes. So yea they may have to bite the bullet this year and next regarding the draft, but he's still young and still possible to crush the draft with few picks (see 2005 NYG draft).
It concerns me that Watson doesn't stand up and take ownership of that franchise. I also see no reason why we would ever give up that much for him even if we were to entertain the idea. #11, Jones and next year's 2nd? I dunno. Wouldn't give up much more.
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getting used too easily around here again.
Watson was one of the two best college players his last 2 seasons — led his team to two title games and won one in an epic game v Bama — has set numerous under 25 NFL passing/rushing combo records — has led two playoff runs on a dysfunctional franchise — and is ranked by his peers as the no. 20 overall player in the NFL. He’d be at worst the no. 3 QB in the NFC next year ... pretty close to elite but maybe great is premature. Maybe just “great start.”
College means nothing now, he's off to a very promising start and has flashed at times. He's a very good NFL QB with room to grow. Maturity is a huge question mark. Three #1's and more is awfully steep, as you're gutting your draft abilities for a chunk of his prime.
2) Giants giving up that much for Watson doesn't make sense
3) Jones can improve and become a really good QB, and we keep all of our assets
It's a pipe dream anyway.
Thankfully u r not the GM.
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In comment 15136153 JonC said:
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getting used too easily around here again.
Watson was one of the two best college players his last 2 seasons — led his team to two title games and won one in an epic game v Bama — has set numerous under 25 NFL passing/rushing combo records — has led two playoff runs on a dysfunctional franchise — and is ranked by his peers as the no. 20 overall player in the NFL. He’d be at worst the no. 3 QB in the NFC next year ... pretty close to elite but maybe great is premature. Maybe just “great start.”
College means nothing now, he's off to a very promising start and has flashed at times. He's a very good NFL QB with room to grow. Maturity is a huge question mark. Three #1's and more is awfully steep, as you're gutting your draft abilities for a chunk of his prime.
Fair enough. And you’re right, great is too much until he accomplishes more. But considering that Brees is gone, Rodgers is 37, Wilson is 32, and Lawrence is going to the AFC, doesn’t it intrigue you to get this kid at age 25? Could be a fun run ....
That is a steep price for someone that is not a believer. We will see what the league wide opinion of him, behind the scenes and with whom is willing to take the risk.
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The Giants aren't good at drafting. They've had five 1st rounders in the past three years - Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Thomas - those five guys together don't add up to Watson.
It's a pipe dream anyway.
Thankfully u r not the GM.
If I'd been the GM we'd have been better than 15-33 the last three years...and I'm just an asshole on a message board. That's how bad Gettleman's been.
If there were some pieces in place here and you were just missing a QB you do it in a heartbeat. Teams give up multiple picks to land guys at the top of the draft who are unknowns. You mitigate that risk by getting a guy who has been very good in the NFL for multiple years. But with no talent and no high picks - you are just bad for a different reason.
I don't like the idea of Jones having a three year audition because I don't think he has earned it, but that is the boat we are in now. Build the rest of the roster, and look for his replacement in the draft this year or next.
Watson makes sense for teams like the Colts or Steelers that have a solid team and lack the QB. That isn't the Giants.
But 3 first round picks plus Jones is way too rich. Could offer less and get the #1 pick this year and get a guy like Lawrence under a rookie deal.
2) Giants giving up that much for Watson doesn't make sense
3) Jones can improve and become a really good QB, and we keep all of our assets
The first is true. Two isn't true. Three likely isn't true.
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1) Jones will never be Watson
2) Giants giving up that much for Watson doesn't make sense
3) Jones can improve and become a really good QB, and we keep all of our assets
The first is true. Two isn't true. Three likely isn't true.
Maybe I should have you tell me all of the prop bets for next season to make now since you know everything that will transpire in the future.
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In comment 15136049 Go Terps said:
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The Giants aren't good at drafting. They've had five 1st rounders in the past three years - Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Thomas - those five guys together don't add up to Watson.
It's a pipe dream anyway.
Thankfully u r not the GM.
If I'd been the GM we'd have been better than 15-33 the last three years...and I'm just an asshole on a message board. That's how bad Gettleman's been.
That's basically the problem in a nutshell. You believe you'd do a better job - as if by default you're better.
And you use it as fact in almost all of your ramblings about how shitty the team is.
You have it all pegged - Garrett sucks. Gettleman sucks. Jones sucks. That kind of black and white thinking would sure work well in the GM position.......
That is a steep price for someone that is not a believer. We will see what the league wide opinion of him, behind the scenes and with whom is willing to take the risk.
Who doesn't leave plays on the field? Think about how many plays he makes off-script where the called-in play wasn't going to work...
When is the last time you studied his numbers? I mean, and I'm not being a wise-ass, the output is excellent.
And this year was a real test losing Hopkins. Watson didn't miss a beat...
Because we don't know what we have with Jones. There are a lot of implied assumptions above that he's going to work out because of some special force/serendipty.
Meanwhile, while the asking price in the example is high, most of us know one clear thing - Watson is a great player at the most important position.
Mahomes, Josh Allen, maybe R Wilson, maybe L Jackson, Rodgers is 37 but possibly, maybe Kyler Murray, maybe Trevor Lawrence ... I don’t think anyone would pick N Bosa or anyone else over any of those guys. If GMs were picking players to build around, I bet Watson goes top 5. What’s that worth?
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In comment 15136211 ryanmkeane said:
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1) Jones will never be Watson
2) Giants giving up that much for Watson doesn't make sense
3) Jones can improve and become a really good QB, and we keep all of our assets
The first is true. Two isn't true. Three likely isn't true.
Maybe I should have you tell me all of the prop bets for next season to make now since you know everything that will transpire in the future.
His act is old at this point, yawn. Broken record
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I'm reminded of Trent Dilfer who won a Super Bowl for the Raven by just managing not to make too many mistakes.
Jones is way better than Dilfer ever was. Pass.
Well, that's a strange comp considering the Ravens had one of the all-time great defenses with Dilfer at QB.
There's irony here since you're willing to sacrifice all of that to bring Watson in.
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In comment 15136049 Go Terps said:
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The Giants aren't good at drafting. They've had five 1st rounders in the past three years - Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Thomas - those five guys together don't add up to Watson.
It's a pipe dream anyway.
Thankfully u r not the GM.
If I'd been the GM we'd have been better than 15-33 the last three years...and I'm just an asshole on a message board. That's how bad Gettleman's been.
I get the feeling that you're channeling Mike Lynn. I don't believe in reincarnation, but...
That trade proposal accomplishes the former, but hinders the latter.
Love the Mike Lynn analogy Bill L. Spot on.
I think we need about a dozen, or more GOOD players--NFL caliber players, not superstars, before we can consider ourselves to be a good team.
The Giants need to figure out how to convert their draft choices into A LOT of guys who can pull their own weight rather than get just one player. When John ("Jack") Mara trades his cow for a bunch of beans, they don't turn into a Giants beanstalk overnight. They just lay there.
That trade proposal accomplishes the former, but hinders the latter.
you are totally mistaken. The point of the new NFL, the game within the game, is to get a better QB above all else, because this is more of a QB league than ever before. Look at the teams in the final 8. Look at the semis. Look at the Super Bowl matchup. It's the teams with the best QBs. I know you guys want to squabble over this LB prospect and that TE prospect... great teams get their QB - period. When Mahomes came out Andy Reid had a perfectly fine QB in Alex Smith, he traded him in for Mahomes and went from a good team to a champion. The Saints were going to add Mahomes if he fell to them and Drew Brees was breaking records. Wise up. QB is most of the reason the successful teams are successful.
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is not to get a better QB. It's to build a better team.
That trade proposal accomplishes the former, but hinders the latter.
you are totally mistaken. The point of the new NFL, the game within the game, is to get a better QB above all else, because this is more of a QB league than ever before. Look at the teams in the final 8. Look at the semis. Look at the Super Bowl matchup. It's the teams with the best QBs. I know you guys want to squabble over this LB prospect and that TE prospect... great teams get their QB - period. When Mahomes came out Andy Reid had a perfectly fine QB in Alex Smith, he traded him in for Mahomes and went from a good team to a champion. The Saints were going to add Mahomes if he fell to them and Drew Brees was breaking records. Wise up. QB is most of the reason the successful teams are successful.
Spot on! +1000.
I knew Tyreke ain't worth shit.
Love the Mike Lynn analogy Bill L. Spot on.
Just for fun, say you are picking players to start an NFL franchise. Who would you pick over 25 year old Watson? It gets kind of tough after Mahomes, and maybe Allen, doesn’t it?
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and Staubach all rolled into one. Amazing.
Love the Mike Lynn analogy Bill L. Spot on.
Just for fun, say you are picking players to start an NFL franchise. Who would you pick over 25 year old Watson? It gets kind of tough after Mahomes, and maybe Allen, doesn’t it?
But you're only getting one pick.
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is not to get a better QB. It's to build a better team.
That trade proposal accomplishes the former, but hinders the latter.
you are totally mistaken. The point of the new NFL, the game within the game, is to get a better QB above all else, because this is more of a QB league than ever before. Look at the teams in the final 8. Look at the semis. Look at the Super Bowl matchup. It's the teams with the best QBs. I know you guys want to squabble over this LB prospect and that TE prospect... great teams get their QB - period. When Mahomes came out Andy Reid had a perfectly fine QB in Alex Smith, he traded him in for Mahomes and went from a good team to a champion. The Saints were going to add Mahomes if he fell to them and Drew Brees was breaking records. Wise up. QB is most of the reason the successful teams are successful.
Is it really?? This thread is about Watson being a top QB. where is he without a decent team behind him? Where has Matthew Stafford gone? What did Philip Rivers get??
The QB being the end all conversation fails a little when Jimmy G made the SB last season. When Nick Foles hoisted a trophy. When Jared Goff took the field. Those are all in the past three years!!
Hell, Eli Manning has as many SB titles as Rodgers and Favre combined.
The point for teams is still to construct a strong team. At least one dominant unit.