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| 17 Deshaun Watson trade proposals, ranked from least likely to most likely to happen in the 2021 NFL offseason #12) New York Giants Giants send: 11th overall pick in 2021, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick, QB Daniel Jones Texans send: 2023 fourth-round pick, QB Deshaun Watson Jones showed virtually no growth in his second season, as his numbers stagnated or declined across the board. He missed two-plus games with injuries and led the league in fumbles for the second consecutive season. The best arguments that he's an NFL-caliber starting quarterback consist of his frame and the fact that at least one team thought he was worth the sixth overall pick in the 2019 draft. I'm not sure anybody is higher on Jones than the guy who would be trading him away, Giants general manager Dave Gettleman. Jones is still young enough to improve, but he hasn't been good enough for the Texans to plan their future around him, which leaves the Giants in a bind. Would they be willing to send three first-rounders and Jones to get a deal done? And after seeing one former Pats coach sink his franchise, would Watson want to go play for another Bill Belichick disciple in Joe Judge? |
The Ricky Williams and Herschel Walker trades were unmitigated disasters for the team acquiring them. The Redskins spent 3 first rounders to get RGIII. Two first rounders and two players for Ryan Leaf.
But I'm guessing that even though this was a hypothetical thrown out there by ESPN - some of you will treat this as a miss if the Giants don't try to trade for Watson.
Watson gets to pick his destination and the team has to be willing to pay. Houston doesn't have a ton of leverage.
Neither does Watson
Sure he does. Evidenced by the fact the Texans are seemingly considering trading him.
I find the argument of this team not being close to contending even with Watson to be a more compelling reason not to do a trade like this, even if I don’t totally agree.
I view Watson as a very good QB, not elite. He’s not Mahomes or Josh Allen or Rodgers or Brady. He’s a very good QB that needs a good team around him to be successful. Like most QB’s do. The reason this trade is moronic is because you are using up so much draft capital and cap space to get him that you can’t put a good group of players around him. Which means you become the Houston Texans.
Even if we want to label him “elite” there are many examples of elite QB’s who didn’t win anything in the past due to the team around them not being good enough. Ask Dan Marino what that’s like. Or Boomer Esiason.
Simms was a very good QB and had an amazing Super Bowl in 86 but he was not a consensus top 5 QB that season. Same in 1990, Simms had a great year before he got hurt but from a talent perspective I think most would have put Elway, Montana, Kelly, Marino, and others above him.
And I love Eli, he’s one of my favorite Giants of all time, but he was not what one would view traditionally as an “elite” QB. He had that “clutch” factor. He needed a good team around him to get there, but man he could do some damage in the playoffs. But from a consensus perspective, I think most had him in the 8-15 QB ranking range both years we won the SB.
Point is, you don’t need an elite QB to win a SB. You need a good to very good QB and to build one hell of a team around him by not wasting draft picks in shitty trades.
As for the talent of the roster, I’d ask do I think the offensive line can improve without major changes? If the answer is yes, then the combo of Watson and Barkley could elevate this to a top quarter offense in the sport. If they can re-sign LW, then there’s no reason to predict any significant difference on defense.
We’re not dealing with the Baltimore Ravens here. I think people are putting too much value in this franchise getting 1st round picks right. Even without a trade, my confidence level in this front office isn’t particularly high. I’d let Joe Judge make the hypothetical decision on Watson, not Gettleman.
As for the talent of the roster, I’d ask do I think the offensive line can improve without major changes? If the answer is yes, then the combo of Watson and Barkley could elevate this to a top quarter offense in the sport. If they can re-sign LW, then there’s no reason to predict any significant difference on defense.
We’re not dealing with the Baltimore Ravens here. I think people are putting too much value in this franchise getting 1st round picks right. Even without a trade, my confidence level in this front office isn’t particularly high. I’d let Joe Judge make the hypothetical decision on Watson, not Gettleman.
Wow, no way would I take Watson over Allen. And no way are you able to resign LW and add any sort of weapons for Watson if you give up those picks and use that cap space on Watson.
The point is you don’t need an elite QB to win a SB. And for the record, Brady, an elite QB, took paycuts to help the team stay competitive. He also has a wife worth more than him which helps that decision. But that’s unheard of.
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Almost all of them are completely irrelevant to today's Giants.
The point is you don’t need an elite QB to win a SB.
You don't. But it significantly helps if you do.
There have been 54 Super Bowl winners. Out of those teams, I would say the QBs who aren't elite were:
Plunkett
McMahon
Rypien (he has an unbelievable year in '91...was 2X Pro Bowl guy)
Hoss
Dilfer
Johnson
Falco
Foles
So 8 out of 54, or 15%. If you add in this year, because Brady or Mahomes will win, it's 8 out of 55, or 14%
Basically, you need an elite QB 86% of the time...
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Almost all of them are completely irrelevant to today's Giants.
The point is you don’t need an elite QB to win a SB.
You don't. But it significantly helps if you do.
There have been 54 Super Bowl winners. Out of those teams, I would say the QBs who aren't elite were:
Plunkett
McMahon
Rypien (he has an unbelievable year in '91...was 2X Pro Bowl guy)
Hoss
Dilfer
Johnson
Falco
Foles
So 8 out of 54, or 15%. If you add in this year, because Brady or Mahomes will win, it's 8 out of 55, or 14%
Basically, you need an elite QB 86% of the time...
When I say elite, I am talking about being a consensus top 5 QB in the year they won the SB. I think there’s more than 8 that fit that category including Eli.
The Ricky Williams and Herschel Walker trades were unmitigated disasters for the team acquiring them. The Redskins spent 3 first rounders to get RGIII. Two first rounders and two players for Ryan Leaf.
But I'm guessing that even though this was a hypothetical thrown out there by ESPN - some of you will treat this as a miss if the Giants don't try to trade for Watson.
RGIII and Ryan Leaf are not half the QB that Watson is. Are you really comparing running backs to a top 6 QB in a passing league?
Lol. I’m his prime or elderly Chuck Norris?
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a trade in NFL history close to being that rich and has it ever worked out favorably??
The Ricky Williams and Herschel Walker trades were unmitigated disasters for the team acquiring them. The Redskins spent 3 first rounders to get RGIII. Two first rounders and two players for Ryan Leaf.
But I'm guessing that even though this was a hypothetical thrown out there by ESPN - some of you will treat this as a miss if the Giants don't try to trade for Watson.
RGIII and Ryan Leaf are not half the QB that Watson is. Are you really comparing running backs to a top 6 QB in a passing league?
I'm comparing the price paid to the return. Giving up multiple 1st rounders for RGIII had the Redskins in a hole for awhile. I'm surprised people are thinking that 3 firsts for a guy who had a #1 WR on his team and at one point, two of the better defensive ends, is going to come to a team with lesser talent and get better results? And not have the draft capital to improve the team significantly?
So, am I to assume the Giants roster is significantly better than the Texans and Watson will come here and improve the win total by at least 4 games?
Watson is a very good QB who put up huge numbers, but no way am I trading 3 first round picks.
So, am I to assume the Giants roster is significantly better than the Texans and Watson will come here and improve the win total by at least 4 games?
Watson is a very good QB who put up huge numbers, but no way am I trading 3 first round picks.
Watson + a competent OC and I'd feel great about winning 10 games and winning the division in 2021.
But again, pipe dream. I truly believe the Giants wouldn't trade Jones and a second rounder for Watson.
So, am I to assume the Giants roster is significantly better than the Texans and Watson will come here and improve the win total by at least 4 games?
Watson is a very good QB who put up huge numbers, but no way am I trading 3 first round picks.
The Texans defense allowed 30 points per game last year. Watson won 11 and 10 games the previous 2 years and a playoff game before losing at Arrowhead. It’s not basketball where he plays both ways — he did his job last year, producing 36 TDs with very few turnovers — that’s 25 more TDs than Jones — and was a victim of the Texans defense utterly collapsing.
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The Giants went 6-10 last year with a combination of Jones & McCoy at QB. The Texans went 4-12 with Watson at QB.
So, am I to assume the Giants roster is significantly better than the Texans and Watson will come here and improve the win total by at least 4 games?
Watson is a very good QB who put up huge numbers, but no way am I trading 3 first round picks.
Watson + a competent OC and I'd feel great about winning 10 games and winning the division in 2021.
But again, pipe dream. I truly believe the Giants wouldn't trade Jones and a second rounder for Watson.
Oh, Watson would need at least one other person to win. That’s an unexpected concession.
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The Giants went 6-10 last year with a combination of Jones & McCoy at QB. The Texans went 4-12 with Watson at QB.
So, am I to assume the Giants roster is significantly better than the Texans and Watson will come here and improve the win total by at least 4 games?
Watson is a very good QB who put up huge numbers, but no way am I trading 3 first round picks.
Watson + a competent OC and I'd feel great about winning 10 games and winning the division in 2021.
But again, pipe dream. I truly believe the Giants wouldn't trade Jones and a second rounder for Watson.
Oh, Watson would need at least one other person to win. That’s an unexpected concession.
Watson is a proven NFL TD producer — and paired with what seems to be a solid Graham defense, they’d be a heavy favorite in the NFC East and maybe a force in a weak NFC where almost all the teams are in some form of QB flux. Not sure he could beat Chuck Norris in a fight, Chuck is nasty, but he’d sure look great in blue.
I guess we differ, because I think you need at least 10 other players. Although guys to play defense might help too. But I’ll defer.
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I think any Giant quarterback is going to need a new OC to win. Garrett is a major problem.
I guess we differ, because I think you need at least 10 other players. Although guys to play defense might help too. But I’ll defer.
Who's saying otherwise?
It's interesting to see the growing rationalization for Jones - "You don't need a great QB to win". This is a BBI phenomenon over the years...change thought processes to align with what the Giants are doing. The Giants could sign a donkey to be the kicker and after two weeks there'd be posters rationalizing it.
People are starting to realize what Jones is. Their way of dealing with it is to say you don't need a great QB to win, and to point to great QBs (Rodgers, Marino, Fouts, etc.) who haven't won as many Super Bowls as their reputation would suggest.
How many shitty QBs win Super Bowls?
But then again, Deshaun Watson once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, so what do I know.
Haha, I’ll cease with my pointless pro-Watson drivel. Daniel from Durham will hopefully lead us from the wilderness.
Meanwhil...
--The Eagles are a disaster. New coach, QB uncertainty, aging roster, etc.
--The WFT has a good defense. But who is the QB again?
--Dallas has no D and lots of question marks on the O - Dak, Zeke, aging OL, etc.
With Watson, and Barkley back and some FA acquisitions (in this scenario it would be wise to let LW go), we'd be the clear favorite in the NFCE.
And isn't that step one? To compete and win the division?
Meanwhil...
--The Eagles are a disaster. New coach, QB uncertainty, aging roster, etc.
--The WFT has a good defense. But who is the QB again?
--Dallas has no D and lots of question marks on the O - Dak, Zeke, aging OL, etc.
With Watson, and Barkley back and some FA acquisitions (in this scenario it would be wise to let LW go), we'd be the clear favorite in the NFCE.
And isn't that step one? To compete and win the division?
Watson’s offense outscored the Giants offense by 100, and the Giants defense gave up 100 less than the Texans so you’d think ... oh never mind, I give up.
You can only conclude that they actually think DJ is going to be as good or better than Watson. And I have absolutely no idea how that is rationalized.
You can only conclude that they actually think DJ is going to be as good or better than Watson. And I have absolutely no idea how that is rationalized.
In Graham’s second year, I’d think the defense would really start to gel, and adding Watson would immediately make them heavy favorites to win the NFC East. The cascading positive effects of a 9 or 10 win season on the Judge regime is hard to quantify too. I understand those first rounders are hard to give up, but Watson is a top 5 overall pick if you were building a team ....
You can only conclude that they actually think DJ is going to be as good or better than Watson. And I have absolutely no idea how that is rationalized.
So, you are willing to give up 3 1st round picks and Jones for a QB(yes a good one)?
So, you are willing to cripple the team for several years on the chance that Watson is so good he can take a vastly underwhelming offense and turn it(and himself) into Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, but Patrick Mahomes without 3 1st round draft picks in the following years.
Some of you could not find your butt cheeks with both hands.
I’m a bigger supporter of Daniel Jones than most of the people on this site, but this trade would be something I’d have to pull the trigger on. I think a lot of the decision would come down to what I think about the offensive line and the team’s ability to plug holes in on defense.
You hate this regime so much that all rational thought has gone out the window.
You know, it IS possible to believe that Jones is not the answer at QB but ALSO think that trading away 4 first-round picks for one player is a bad idea.
You are constantly beating the drum that this team lacks talent. You are correct in that assessment. So, don't you think it would be hard to build talent around their shiny new QB with no first round picks until 2024? Watson would be 28 at this point.
It's hard to fathom that you of all people would advocate for something so boneheaded. The only reasons I can come up with is that you are either trolling, or your anger at this regime has gotten so intense that you are no longer thinking rationally.
The Bucs will have twice as many second round picks of their own starting in the Super Bowl than first round picks.
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You hate this regime so much that all rational thought has gone out the window.
You know, it IS possible to believe that Jones is not the answer at QB but ALSO think that trading away 4 first-round picks for one player is a bad idea.
You are constantly beating the drum that this team lacks talent. You are correct in that assessment. So, don't you think it would be hard to build talent around their shiny new QB with no first round picks until 2024? Watson would be 28 at this point.
It's hard to fathom that you of all people would advocate for something so boneheaded. The only reasons I can come up with is that you are either trolling, or your anger at this regime has gotten so intense that you are no longer thinking rationally.
LGG, This point is spot on: "You know, it IS possible to believe that Jones is not the answer at QB but ALSO think that trading away 4 first-round picks for one player is a bad idea."
it reflects critical thinking and reason, something sorely lacking here.
So, cripple it permanently? Nobody is worth giving up 3 consecutive years of 1st round picks for. Nobody. This team is hurting for players. I like Deshaun a lot. He is not as good as Mahomes, or even Rodgers. PM himself could not make this offense work - there are no playmakers, just some roll players. Perhaps if Barkley comes back healthy there would have one and Shepard in the slot.
Some of you have lost sight of reality and are at the point of needing to be ignored. I feel bad to even say that.
The Texans somehow managed to pull it off - someone is going to really benefit from that HUGE mistake - I hope it's the Giants.
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So, cripple it permanently? Nobody is worth giving up 3 consecutive years of 1st round picks for. Nobody. This team is hurting for players. I like Deshaun a lot. He is not as good as Mahomes, or even Rodgers. PM himself could not make this offense work - there are no playmakers, just some roll players. Perhaps if Barkley comes back healthy there would have one and Shepard in the slot.
Some of you have lost sight of reality and are at the point of needing to be ignored. I feel bad to even say that.
I agreed up until "Pat Mahomes wouldn't make this work". That's a criminal underselling of how good he is. At a bare minimum he'd turn the ball over less, he'd throw for more yards and more TD's. He'd also take less sacks.
When I watch the Giants I don't see a supporting cast that's so bad anyone under center is destined to fail. Rather, I see an underwhelming team that needs a lot to go right to win and also left wins on the field (2-3 in fact in 2020 alone). Adding Mahomes means we likely win those 2-3 games plus maybe another 1-2 games that we weren't expecting. That's what special players do. 9-7 minimum in 2020 with Mahomes and that includes no Barkley.
Eli/Barkley/Beckham!
Furthermore, the chiefs already had Kelce, Hill, and a decent to good OL in place. Plus Andy Reid.
I watch a lot of Chiefs games, and I don't think you can plug Evan Engram and Darius Slayton in place of Kelce and Hill and get the same results with as good as Mahomes is and Watson isn't really close to Mahomes.
Watson on the Giants, may improve the Giants, but I'd say it makes the Giants closer to the Texans, not the Chiefs.
And without the draft picks and cap flexibility where do your Hill and Kelce come from?
Making that trade may get the Giants to 8 - 8 for a year, then what?
Yes, the Giants need to improve their QB situation either by Daniel Jones playing better/getting better players around him or by replacing him. But this is not how.
The NFL is a copycat league, show me the situation where a team gave up this many assets (draft picks and salary) for a player and it turned out well.
I don't think there has ever been a 25 year old franchise QB type player on the market...ever.
This. Guy has become the most over rated NFL QB in a month. Guy isnt half of Mahomes and is t even as good as Brady or Rodgers who are over a decade more in age.
And if Watson really wants out he can give back the portion of his signing bonus that is set out to hit the cap can't he?
If I'm Houston go public. Let him give back the money back and renegotiate a new deal with whom he selects. I hate my mortgage. I should just refuse to pay it until I find a bank I like.
And for all those who alibi and support for these guys to literally refuse to abide by a contract after getting 40 million, if it was your 40 million you'd be more than upset.
Guy is a diva and another guy who's stats are good but hasn't won shit w en when he had the pieces
Last year, playing for a dysfunctional team whose defense collapsed, Watson led the NFL in both passing yards and yards per attempt (8.9!) while producing 36 TDs vs 10 turnovers. With a 70% completion rate. I know you’ve said he’s left big plays out there, but digest those stats for a second. He was coming off 11 win and 10 win seasons, but last year the Texans D cratered. He’s only 25 and is a noted winner and big game player. And in this league, I’d say the biggest recipe for prolonged suckage is not being set at the QB position.
If you're willing to trade all those assets call me when Mahomes is on the block.
If you're willing to trade all those assets call me when Mahomes is on the block.
I personally don’t think that’s a good risk analysis, in a QB driven league, to just sit back and hope things fall into place with Jones when you have a chance to get a proven top 5 guy just coming into his prime. But what the hell do I know — I wanted Josh Rosen lol.