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17 Deshaun Watson trade proposals, ranked from least likely to most likely to happen in the 2021 NFL offseason #12) New York Giants Giants send: 11th overall pick in 2021, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick, QB Daniel Jones Texans send: 2023 fourth-round pick, QB Deshaun Watson Jones showed virtually no growth in his second season, as his numbers stagnated or declined across the board. He missed two-plus games with injuries and led the league in fumbles for the second consecutive season. The best arguments that he's an NFL-caliber starting quarterback consist of his frame and the fact that at least one team thought he was worth the sixth overall pick in the 2019 draft. I'm not sure anybody is higher on Jones than the guy who would be trading him away, Giants general manager Dave Gettleman. Jones is still young enough to improve, but he hasn't been good enough for the Texans to plan their future around him, which leaves the Giants in a bind. Would they be willing to send three first-rounders and Jones to get a deal done? And after seeing one former Pats coach sink his franchise, would Watson want to go play for another Bill Belichick disciple in Joe Judge? |
Maybe Jones could be average elsewhere, or even with the Giants...I can't say otherwise for certain.
But why would you target average to be your quarterback a couple years away from the end of his rookie contract? Why not draft someone or get someone cheaper who is just as average?
We shouldn't forget also that we spent a 6th overall pick on "average".
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but why must we wait for Jones to prove something when most elite QBs show it right away? Why can't we prepare for a back up plan now? That is what a smart organization does. they don't wait for years. Reid didn't wait for Alex Smith (a very good QB at the time). The Saints were ready to draft Mahomes even though they had Brees. We have Jones, who has been awful. Why do we have to "wait" for him?
I agree with you there. I guess I actually believe our organization is going through this evaluative process as we speak. They are evaluating the available QBs and determining if it is worth pursuing. Maybe I have too much faith in the organization that they are doing this. But maybe you don't have enough faith?
If they determine that it is better to stick with Jones (maybe because the compensation was too much in their eyes to pull the trigger on a trade?), I am hoping that Jones shows great strides this upcoming season and shows us he can be a franchise QB. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't. If not, I will have no problem cutting bait and moving on. But I'm hoping Jones succeeds; are you?
If the organization determines the value is right to make a trade and move on from Jones, I will be excited as well. I will root like hell for our new QB to succeed.
Just don't like the definitive statements that Jones is (or isn't) the answer. Nobody knows that yet.
Also, Producer, how many ELITE QBs are actually in the NFL? If that is the standard, then no, I don't think Jones is elite. I do believe if he can progress to "above average", we can compete for championships.
IN the same article, he quotes Judge who all but shouted Jones name to the heavens and says he's his guy.
Yet here we have another Horse-beating the ground thread with the same 5-10 people arguing about over a trash, click-bait article.
+1.
I don’t see it.
You have to win the NFC East. You don't have to immediately be a Super Bowl contender because Watson is only 25 and has 10 years of franchise QB level play in front of him. Because of his age you have time to build a team around him, even with the high draft picks it would cost...
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You better be a Super Bowl contender this upcoming season. I’m talking 12+ wins, bye in the first round and consistent title contender.
I don’t see it.
You have to win the NFC East. You don't have to immediately be a Super Bowl contender because Watson is only 25 and has 10 years of franchise QB level play in front of him. Because of his age you have time to build a team around him, even with the high draft picks it would cost...
Let’s not forget the positive impact that winning NFC East next year, say going 9-7, would have on the credibility of Judge’s regime. If the Giants are back in the market for a QB in 2022, and scuffling along for a few more years, it’ll likely fall apart. Watson only has a $10 million cap hit next year and is only available because of the gross mismanagement of the Texans ... maybe our one opportunity to guarantee that we have a top 5 QB cornerstone.
Maybe Jones could be average elsewhere, or even with the Giants...I can't say otherwise for certain.
But why would you target average to be your quarterback a couple years away from the end of his rookie contract? Why not draft someone or get someone cheaper who is just as average?
We shouldn't forget also that we spent a 6th overall pick on "average".
What you made up was applying what I think Jones would do in SF or NO to what he would/will do in 2021 with the NYG.
I'm also not targeting average (which is what Jimmy G is despite his price tag). I'm simply saying average isn't all that bad and is treated as a Scarlet Letter for some reason.
SF, NO and Indy can draft someone but they likely will be giving up a fortune for anyone that isn't a total crapshoot.
If teh book is out on somebody, that means there will be no improvement, there will be no upside. It is what it is.
And while these astute posters point to 11 TD's and 10 INT's and sprinkle it in as many posts as possible - why is there no acknowledgement about the better ball protection the back half of the year? The book is out, so why would Jones have better ball security.
It is just one of many logic fails because certain guys are tripping all over their dicks to show the board that Jones is one of the worst QB's ever. Wouldn't fetch a 3rd or 4th rounder? On what basis? We know what he is? On what basis?
They are just empty statements typed with a lot of emphasis.
The most ironic comment was made way up above:
"Any QB would struggle with Garrett as OC", and yet, in the one season Jones had Garrett as OC, he struggled and yet the reasoning is we know for certain what we have. 11TD's and 10INTS, as if 24TD's last season didn't happen and aren't possible.
When absolutes are posed it is almost always a sure sign that the point is being exaggerated. Whether it is due to aggressive cluelessness or just frustration is really the only thing to parse.
Well, turns out going to a different team and overcoming his own shortcomings turn things around drastically. Why people don't think that's possible for Jones is beyond me.
Good news is what I think is irrelevant, just like anyone who wants to trade for Watson.
If teh book is out on somebody, that means there will be no improvement, there will be no upside. It is what it is.
And while these astute posters point to 11 TD's and 10 INT's and sprinkle it in as many posts as possible - why is there no acknowledgement about the better ball protection the back half of the year? The book is out, so why would Jones have better ball security.
It is just one of many logic fails because certain guys are tripping all over their dicks to show the board that Jones is one of the worst QB's ever. Wouldn't fetch a 3rd or 4th rounder? On what basis? We know what he is? On what basis?
They are just empty statements typed with a lot of emphasis.
The most ironic comment was made way up above:
"Any QB would struggle with Garrett as OC", and yet, in the one season Jones had Garrett as OC, he struggled and yet the reasoning is we know for certain what we have. 11TD's and 10INTS, as if 24TD's last season didn't happen and aren't possible.
When absolutes are posed it is almost always a sure sign that the point is being exaggerated. Whether it is due to aggressive cluelessness or just frustration is really the only thing to parse.
The book isn’t out, he may develop into a top 10 guy, we’ve seen flashes. But there’s also a pretty solid risk he doesn’t, right? Why take that risk, which would plunge them back into trying to nail down the position (which can take years, ask the Skins or Bears) when there’s a 25 year old top 5-6 guy out there? I understand that losing three first rounders creates its own risk, but the only surefire player in that 5 player equation is Watson and it’s at the position most likely to set us up for a multi-year run.
Well, turns out going to a different team and overcoming his own shortcomings turn things around drastically. Why people don't think that's possible for Jones is beyond me.
Good news is what I think is irrelevant, just like anyone who wants to trade for Watson.
I suggest you revisit Tannehill's production in Miami his first three years. They bailed on him too early.
He went from 12 TDs to 24 to 27 over his first three years. Had solid incremental improvement.
And currently, the Giants do not have other units and/or players that can consistently carry them to wins on the roster. Arguably, they have a few defensive players that had career years in 2020, and even they didn't even merit All-Pro status.
I agree, you do not need an elite QB build a Super Bowl winning team. But without a guy that isn't at least very good, the Giants are going to need to be excellent at something else if not several areas.
Where is that going to be?
Even if you like Jones, why take a chance that what you have seen is what you will get when the real goods are in front of you?
I don't think all these "win now" teams are itching to leverage the future to win it all today like some do and even if 1 does that still leaves several teams with nothing, or very little at the QB spot.
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what did you all honestly see in Ryan Tannehill after 2 years? I for one thought he was trash. I even thought the comparison of Jones to Tannehill coming out of Duke was crazy considering how little I thought of RT.
Well, turns out going to a different team and overcoming his own shortcomings turn things around drastically. Why people don't think that's possible for Jones is beyond me.
Good news is what I think is irrelevant, just like anyone who wants to trade for Watson.
I suggest you revisit Tannehill's production in Miami his first three years. They bailed on him too early.
He went from 12 TDs to 24 to 27 over his first three years. Had solid incremental improvement.
The Dolphins? They traded for Josh Rosen. They drafted Tua. And at the end of the day, their best QB is a 38 year old and they still don't know what they are going to do at the position.
That's getting it right??
Perhaps with Tannehill under center this season, they make a deep playoff run instead of not knowing what they have yet with Tua. Again - this is more hypocrisy. When the Giants don't know what they have with Jones, they are fucked. But the Dolphins? They got it RIGHT!
Aaron Rodgers has been elite his whole career and has one.
Obviously, being an elite QB isn't everything.
I've never approached any team I root for like that. To me that seems like such nonsense outside of some stupid super team like the Heat or Lakers or the Yankees of old.
I'll sign up for 11-5 any year, and once you are in who knows what happens. Shouldn't we know that by now?
The overlap between teams interested and teams Watson is willing to go to isn't going to be a long list, and I seriously doubt the price tag is 3 numbers, plus a former first rounder.
I predict the cost is two number ones and a player. If the Giants sent Jones, the no. 11, and next year's No. 1 -- I'd be happy as a fan.
Aaron Rodgers has been elite his whole career and has one.
Obviously, being an elite QB isn't everything.
I've said it a million times before, and so I'll keep saying it - Eli Manning is unique. He wasn't an elite QB over the course of his entire career, but he was able to elevate his play to an elite level over those two Super Bowl runs. I can't think of another QB you can say that about.
IOW, I think he's a really bad comp for these things. Expecting another QBs career to play out like Eli seems mighty unlikely.
The overlap between teams interested and teams Watson is willing to go to isn't going to be a long list, and I seriously doubt the price tag is 3 numbers, plus a former first rounder.
I predict the cost is two number ones and a player. If the Giants sent Jones, the no. 11, and next year's No. 1 -- I'd be happy as a fan.
I'd do this.
I don't think all these "win now" teams are itching to leverage the future to win it all today like some do and even if 1 does that still leaves several teams with nothing, or very little at the QB spot.
All good, wasn't attempting to corner you in a bad position. Was only probing the thought process if it comes to be that Jones' ceiling is indeed average. The Giants simply don't have anywhere near the roster to suggest that they would seriously be competing anytime soon. You mention average would get us into the playoffs, but really that is only in a near historically low performing NFC East in 2020.
Not supporting a theme of trading three #1 picks plus Jones. But if somebody critically believes the Giants real timeline is still more than just several years out, then there is something to be said for putting together a valid proposal for Watson.
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Watson is going to get traded. With Culley and Caserio hired, and Watson publicly asking for the trade this morning, that ship has sailed.
The overlap between teams interested and teams Watson is willing to go to isn't going to be a long list, and I seriously doubt the price tag is 3 numbers, plus a former first rounder.
I predict the cost is two number ones and a player. If the Giants sent Jones, the no. 11, and next year's No. 1 -- I'd be happy as a fan.
I'd do this.
Sign me up.
The overlap between teams interested and teams Watson is willing to go to isn't going to be a long list, and I seriously doubt the price tag is 3 numbers, plus a former first rounder.
I predict the cost is two number ones and a player. If the Giants sent Jones, the no. 11, and next year's No. 1 -- I'd be happy as a fan.
Do it and don't think twice.
Do ya think Gettleman even calls Houston about it, though?
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Watson is going to get traded. With Culley and Caserio hired, and Watson publicly asking for the trade this morning, that ship has sailed.
The overlap between teams interested and teams Watson is willing to go to isn't going to be a long list, and I seriously doubt the price tag is 3 numbers, plus a former first rounder.
I predict the cost is two number ones and a player. If the Giants sent Jones, the no. 11, and next year's No. 1 -- I'd be happy as a fan.
I'd do this.
I would as well.
I've said it a million times before, and so I'll keep saying it - Eli Manning is unique. He wasn't an elite QB over the course of his entire career, but he was able to elevate his play to an elite level over those two Super Bowl runs. I can't think of another QB you can say that about.
IOW, I think he's a really bad comp for these things. Expecting another QBs career to play out like Eli seems mighty unlikely.
That's a fair point. And as an Eli fan, I agree that he's exceptional as a big game QB. That is what makes him a HOFer. But, I still think it shows that we shouldn't write off Jones this second. It's too early. I give him one more year, ideally a full year of Barkley and a real set of receivers around him.
I would also add that the Eagles just won a championship with a middling QB. You don't need elite to win. And having an elite QB doesn't guarantee success, as HOU showed this year.
I'd do this.
Yep, so would I.
Tannehill went up in almost all key categories all while "leading" the league in getting sacked. He engineered 4 4th quarter comebacks and had 3 game winning drives. So there was clear YoY improvement. And I wouldn't call it a stellar group of receivers with Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace and Charles Clay. ;)
Yet, you see similar YoY improvement from Jones??
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Watson is going to get traded. With Culley and Caserio hired, and Watson publicly asking for the trade this morning, that ship has sailed.
The overlap between teams interested and teams Watson is willing to go to isn't going to be a long list, and I seriously doubt the price tag is 3 numbers, plus a former first rounder.
I predict the cost is two number ones and a player. If the Giants sent Jones, the no. 11, and next year's No. 1 -- I'd be happy as a fan.
Do it and don't think twice.
Do ya think Gettleman even calls Houston about it, though?
Maybe I'm naive, but I believe the Giants organization will either call the Texans directly and ask what they are looking for, or will use other channels of communication to determine what ballpark the Texans are in with regards to compensation.
I would argue the "back channel" method would be preferable. They can get information on where the Texans are at, and determine if they want to enter the fray. If it's too steep, the hope is they could quietly remove themselves and the stupid media doesn't find out we were inquiring and start writing articles to fracture the culture Judge is trying to build ("Hey Daniel, how do you feel knowing the Giants were looking to move on from you?", etc.)
Just my opinion.
The overlap between teams interested and teams Watson is willing to go to isn't going to be a long list, and I seriously doubt the price tag is 3 numbers, plus a former first rounder.
I predict the cost is two number ones and a player. If the Giants sent Jones, the no. 11, and next year's No. 1 -- I'd be happy as a fan.
I agree that it's not going to cost a king's ransom. Watson has so much leverage it's going to come down to getting the best first round pick this year to replenish the first rounder they lost for Tunsil.
Do it and don't think twice.
Do ya think Gettleman even calls Houston about it, though?
I say NFW.
It's going to be a pride thing...you just know it. Gettleman drafted his first QB ever in the first round and he's willing to sink or swim.
And then you just HAVE to inject that our buffoon GM won't pick up the phone into the discussion, which will easily take it right back off the rails.
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and I didn't include year 3 because Jones hasn't had one yet (which is the whole point to the RT comparison). Their first 2 years are very very similar, with very similar issues. I have no idea if he'd take the year 3 jump that RT did, but if it happened wouldn't that be extremely promising?
Tannehill went up in almost all key categories all while "leading" the league in getting sacked. He engineered 4 4th quarter comebacks and had 3 game winning drives. So there was clear YoY improvement. And I wouldn't call it a stellar group of receivers with Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace and Charles Clay. ;)
Yet, you see similar YoY improvement from Jones??
Nope not year over year, just cumulatively over the first 2 seasons. I also don’t exactly know how to grade year 2 for Jones. What you think is an excuse I classify as a reason so I won’t go down that path.
Point being though his big jump in production was year 3.
And then you just HAVE to inject that our buffoon GM won't pick up the phone into the discussion, which will easily take it right back off the rails.
You can't see Gettleman tacking that direction? Is that so crazy where he feels so hitched to Jones?
Now, if Judge has serious equity in the process, he would be the swing vote. But it sounds like he's hitched his wagon to Jones, too...
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You have people of two different minds on Jones agreeing on the parameter of what would be an acceptable trade to acquire Watson...
And then you just HAVE to inject that our buffoon GM won't pick up the phone into the discussion, which will easily take it right back off the rails.
You can't see Gettleman tacking that direction? Is that so crazy where he feels so hitched to Jones?
Now, if Judge has serious equity in the process, he would be the swing vote. But it sounds like he's hitched his wagon to Jones, too...
I think every GM in the league is inquiring for this information for one reason or another. Whether it's actually acquiring Watson, whether it's trying to get a leg up on draft movement due to the trade, or whether it's getting an idea of what the market value is for a trade like that.
They're all interested.
You are a real pisser.
I'm guessing - of course. And trying to apply some form of reasoning why Gettleman wouldn't call.
You can pretty much rationalize it any way you want which is why it’s pretty lame.
And then you just HAVE to inject that our buffoon GM won't pick up the phone into the discussion, which will easily take it right back off the rails.
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others of being when you do that.
You are a real pisser.
I'm guessing - of course. And trying to apply some form of reasoning why Gettleman wouldn't call.
You're making shit up.
It's predictable.
Nope not year over year, just cumulatively over the first 2 seasons. I also don’t exactly know how to grade year 2 for Jones. What you think is an excuse I classify as a reason so I won’t go down that path.
Point being though his big jump in production was year 3.
Cumulative is an odd way to look at it, but okay.
I would be much more inclined to buy the "keep Jones" position if he had improved '19 to '20. But I think he regressed. It certainly wasn't as prolific as the moments he had in '19 - true?
You're making shit up.
You do realize this is a message board where everyone does a lot of guessing, right? So I'm guessing why Gettleman wouldn't call.