I see likely losses to KC, Rams, and TB. The other 13 depend on what we do in the offseason, particularly at WR. Based on the home schedule I see 5-6 wins there and another 3-4 from the more difficult away slate.
8-8 to 10-6 range.
. Impressive you can predict this before draft or free agency
Why do you feel that we will win the same amount of wins in year 2 of Judge’s tenure.
The roster will still suck, and I don’t think the division will be one of the worst of all time again. The Skins are starting to put it together, the Cowboys will have Dak back. Us and the Eagles will be 3 and 4 imo.
Why do you feel that we will win the same amount of wins in year 2 of Judge’s tenure.
The roster will still suck, and I don’t think the division will be one of the worst of all time again. The Skins are starting to put it together, the Cowboys will have Dak back. Us and the Eagles will be 3 and 4 imo.
A fully healthy Dallas team most likely wins this division. Washington is 2nd. If they somehow get a legit proven QB (Watson?), then it’s a dogfight at the top. I think Philadelphia is a dumpster fire. So that all said, the NYG are probably the #3 team in this division.
The Giants should win 10 games next year. Why shouldn’t that be the expectation?
They have a top 10 defense.
They’ve picked a running back, quarterback, and left tackle in the top 6 of the draft over three years. They’ll have another high draft pick this year. The cornerstones of the offense should be near completion.
They’ll go into free agency with sufficient space this year, and plenty over the next three years to secure a few high priced players.
RE: Just had this conversation with a buddy earlier
I see likely losses to KC, Rams, and TB. The other 13 depend on what we do in the offseason, particularly at WR. Based on the home schedule I see 5-6 wins there and another 3-4 from the more difficult away slate.
8-8 to 10-6 range.
Well. I was just about to comment, but I see that I already have.;-).
All those high draft picks in recent years, and the Giants haven't done squat with them.
I'd be in the same boat as you on the defense, but the Baltimore game just brought us and them back to reality. Fine, you lose one but that was embarrassing.
Ok yeah, the Seattle game was without a doubt, this team's most impressive win in years but, lol. They didn't even bring about a win out there with their starting QB.
Just way too many games without a touchdown throw.
When the Giants sweep WFT it is because they are a doormat and get no credit. But, now the Giants will be battling for last place and WFT will be battling for first.
So, which is it? This is some of the hypocrisy I see, and I try to point it out on both sides. The Giants will be right there with WFT again next year, probably sweep them again to be honest.
10-13 wins. Division winner. Super Bowl contender. But much of it is out of my control.
p.s.--It's a young roster with a lot of open questions that can only be answered on the field. What do we have in Jones? Can Barkley return to 100%? If so, can he stay healthy? What will the roster look like after free agency and the draft? So many questions. The answers will determine what kind of team we have next year. The potential is there for a very competitive team, but too much uncertainty remains to make predictions with confidence.
I want to see the OL develop into a good cohesive unit.
We talk about skill players but offensive performance is about the QB and the OL. Other players are secondary.
I’m also expecting the team to be in the midst of a serious QB controversy by early November. My only hope is that Jones’ problems with field vision and mental processing improve significantly, but I am skeptical that he can make those improvements.
or 9. The most important thing will be Jones showing he can improvise and find a way to win. To me right now he has shown he can only succeed when everything is perfect. Then where and how much do we improve our pass rush and coverage. I think Judge can get the job done but he needs an NFL winning level QB.
I'll take you up on that bet. What's the wager? I go over you go under 7.5.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
I'll take you up on that bet. What's the wager? I go over you go under 7.5.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
You guys gonna shake on this and make it a proper wager?
Is key can he be injury free if not who plays QB we just discovered what happens when one of your top two players goes down without a real backup. It’s a young team if they admit they are not close if they still have foolish hopes and dreams and overspend for mediocre talent in FA we could 4-6 games but once again surly gain no identity. Can somebody please tell me what’s this teams identity?
I don’t expect anything different than in the past four years this one surprisingly surprised me in that many fans felt they deserved to appear in the playoffs the saints preserve us why I don’t know? The most games this team has won in a four year period is six against trash teams but some believe they can win 8 games.
I'll take you up on that bet. What's the wager? I go over you go under 7.5.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
That would result in about 10-15 of your regular fan club with nothing left to post about if you were gone...
question year in and year out? I expect us to suck slightly less but still be a ways away from where we should be. The saddest part is I see Garrett being scapegoated to save DG and Danny Jones because Mara doesn’t have the stones to make significant changes. Another half measure as the rest of the league passes us by.
A really tough schedule and unless Jones can produce more touchdowns than turnovers this year and Barkley can stay healthy the entire year, the Giants could ease into the top 5 again.
I put up a post earlier about the draft picks since 2015 and it's not an impressive record- could be worse, but surely could be better.
Just food for thought-
2018- Saquon Barkley-
1st round: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen
Later rounds: Nick Chubb, Michael Gallup, Josh Allen, Denzel Ward
2016- Elli Apple-
1st round: Vernon Hargreaves, Taylor Decker, Artie Burns, Dac Prescott, Keanu Neal
Later rounds: Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack, Derrick Henry, Tyreek Hill,
2015- #9 Ereck Flowers-
1st round: Todd Gurly, Bud Dupree, Thomas Rawls, Stefan Diggs, Chad Johnson, Donavan Smith, Stephone Anthony, David Johnson, Eric Kendricks, Marcus Peters, Ronald Darby, Tyler Lockett, Karlos Williams, Jeremy Langford
2014-#12- Odell Beckham-
1st round: Aaron Donald, Ryan Shazier, Zack Martin, CJ Mosely, HaHa Clinton-Dicks, Demarcus Lawrence, Davante Adams, Carlos Hyde, Jarvis Landry
More then a new GM, a new coach....means a new rebuild.
I understand we have all lived with lousey football for 9 years....but this staff....has only had one year with this team.
The roster has just started to mold into...what the coaches want.
I am very curious to see who goes, who stays and who gets brought in....it will be very telling.
But make no mistake....the Giants are in year 2 of there most current rebuild.
Here we go again with Gettleman getting a pass for completely fucking up in his first two years.
Anything short of 10 wins in 2021 and he must go. Hire a GM who actually understands how to build a winning football team. We've wasted enough time with a scout masquerading as a GM.
More then a new GM, a new coach....means a new rebuild.
I understand we have all lived with lousey football for 9 years....but this staff....has only had one year with this team.
The roster has just started to mold into...what the coaches want.
I am very curious to see who goes, who stays and who gets brought in....it will be very telling.
But make no mistake....the Giants are in year 2 of there most current rebuild.
Here we go again with Gettleman getting a pass for completely fucking up in his first two years.
Anything short of 10 wins in 2021 and he must go. Hire a GM who actually understands how to build a winning football team. We've wasted enough time with a scout masquerading as a GM.
I'll take you up on that bet. What's the wager? I go over you go under 7.5.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
How do you know that Mara is "too" involved with OPS now? Or ever was for that matter?
The only thing I can think of where Mara screwed up was his HC decision making back when he wacked Coughlin for McAdoo and hired Shurmur.
Owners hire coaches all the time. Has there been any evidence to support any claims that Mara is making all these bad decisions you speak of?
I have killed Mara before. I think he clearly handled the Coughlin transition as poorly as possible. He couldn't have done a crappier job there from the timing to the actual decision making, but we don't know if Mara has been meddling since and we don't know if Mara meddles outside of the HC / GM hiring process. It's possible, maybe even probably that Mara had influence over the Eli decision in 2018, but other than that? And that's years in the rear view mirror now.
The Giants looked highly dysfunctional 17-18 but even 2019 looked more like a rebuild year along with 2020, which was close to actually looking pretty functional.
I don't know--maybe I am nuts but I don't see the clear visible warning signs the last year or more that we saw 17-18 and even 19. But what do I know.
question year in and year out? I expect us to suck slightly less but still be a ways away from where we should be. The saddest part is I see Garrett being scapegoated to save DG and Danny Jones because Mara doesn’t have the stones to make significant changes. Another half measure as the rest of the league passes us by.
Agree.
Probably keep Engram for another two years after this one, for whatever reason.
I believe in D. Jones.
I believe that our OL will make a huge leap.
I believe DG will make sound picks; UFA's; and retain DL.
I believe Judge is a solid NFL coach and he is a winner.
I believe the defense will remain in the 10 - 15 range.
I believe our special teams will take a step up as well.
I also believe the Skins and Cowboys will improve while the Eagles are going to rebuild around a new HC and system.
If we stay healthy and get a playmaker at WR, we will win this division at say 10 - 6. See, I'm a fan and will wear rose colored glasses forever.
However, if we draft projects and injuries mount we can be a bottom 10 team again.
I believe in D. Jones.
I believe that our OL will make a huge leap.
I believe DG will make sound picks; UFA's; and retain DL.
I believe Judge is a solid NFL coach and he is a winner.
I believe the defense will remain in the 10 - 15 range.
I believe our special teams will take a step up as well.
I also believe the Skins and Cowboys will improve while the Eagles are going to rebuild around a new HC and system.
If we stay healthy and get a playmaker at WR, we will win this division at say 10 - 6. See, I'm a fan and will wear rose colored glasses forever.
However, if we draft projects and injuries mount we can be a bottom 10 team again.
I dont "believe" anymore. I make my decisions on facts and reality. So, I can get on board with your Judge and defense comments because they both proved something to me this past season. The rest of what you said remains to be seen.
8-8 to 10-6 range.
Under all day
The roster will still suck, and I don’t think the division will be one of the worst of all time again. The Skins are starting to put it together, the Cowboys will have Dak back. Us and the Eagles will be 3 and 4 imo.
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Why do you feel that we will win the same amount of wins in year 2 of Judge’s tenure.
The roster will still suck, and I don’t think the division will be one of the worst of all time again. The Skins are starting to put it together, the Cowboys will have Dak back. Us and the Eagles will be 3 and 4 imo.
A fully healthy Dallas team most likely wins this division. Washington is 2nd. If they somehow get a legit proven QB (Watson?), then it’s a dogfight at the top. I think Philadelphia is a dumpster fire. So that all said, the NYG are probably the #3 team in this division.
They have a top 10 defense.
They’ve picked a running back, quarterback, and left tackle in the top 6 of the draft over three years. They’ll have another high draft pick this year. The cornerstones of the offense should be near completion.
They’ll go into free agency with sufficient space this year, and plenty over the next three years to secure a few high priced players.
8-8 to 10-6 range.
Well. I was just about to comment, but I see that I already have.;-).
I'd be in the same boat as you on the defense, but the Baltimore game just brought us and them back to reality. Fine, you lose one but that was embarrassing.
Ok yeah, the Seattle game was without a doubt, this team's most impressive win in years but, lol. They didn't even bring about a win out there with their starting QB.
Just way too many games without a touchdown throw.
2022 - Superbowl.
So, which is it? This is some of the hypocrisy I see, and I try to point it out on both sides. The Giants will be right there with WFT again next year, probably sweep them again to be honest.
p.s.--It's a young roster with a lot of open questions that can only be answered on the field. What do we have in Jones? Can Barkley return to 100%? If so, can he stay healthy? What will the roster look like after free agency and the draft? So many questions. The answers will determine what kind of team we have next year. The potential is there for a very competitive team, but too much uncertainty remains to make predictions with confidence.
I’m also expecting the team to be in the midst of a serious QB controversy by early November. My only hope is that Jones’ problems with field vision and mental processing improve significantly, but I am skeptical that he can make those improvements.
I want to be consistently competitive in each game. We did compete with Pitts, TB, a few others, but didn't show up for several games too.
I want to fill a few of the holes (edge, CB, WR).
I will be patient this upcoming year. However, when we do this thread a year from now, my expectations will be higher.
I'm actually more interested in making that guess in August b/c I want to see what's up with Barkley too.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
Pretty soon there's going to be only four people here.
Loser has to write a love poem to the winner... and it has to be good.
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I'll take you up on that bet. What's the wager? I go over you go under 7.5.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
You guys gonna shake on this and make it a proper wager?
What they do in FA
And, the draft
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I'll take you up on that bet. What's the wager? I go over you go under 7.5.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
That would result in about 10-15 of your regular fan club with nothing left to post about if you were gone...
In the current vacuum, the hope would be a winning record and a playoff spot.
I understand we have all lived with lousey football for 9 years....but this staff....has only had one year with this team.
The roster has just started to mold into...what the coaches want.
I am very curious to see who goes, who stays and who gets brought in....it will be very telling.
But make no mistake....the Giants are in year 2 of there most current rebuild.
I put up a post earlier about the draft picks since 2015 and it's not an impressive record- could be worse, but surely could be better.
Just food for thought-
2018- Saquon Barkley-
1st round: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen
Later rounds: Nick Chubb, Michael Gallup, Josh Allen, Denzel Ward
2017- Evan Engram-
1st round: TJ Watt, Ryan Ramczyk, JuJu Schurster, Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, Marshon Latimore, Dalvin Cook, Jabrill Peppers, Budda Baker, Joe Mixon
2016- Elli Apple-
1st round: Vernon Hargreaves, Taylor Decker, Artie Burns, Dac Prescott, Keanu Neal
Later rounds: Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack, Derrick Henry, Tyreek Hill,
2015- #9 Ereck Flowers-
1st round: Todd Gurly, Bud Dupree, Thomas Rawls, Stefan Diggs, Chad Johnson, Donavan Smith, Stephone Anthony, David Johnson, Eric Kendricks, Marcus Peters, Ronald Darby, Tyler Lockett, Karlos Williams, Jeremy Langford
2014-#12- Odell Beckham-
1st round: Aaron Donald, Ryan Shazier, Zack Martin, CJ Mosely, HaHa Clinton-Dicks, Demarcus Lawrence, Davante Adams, Carlos Hyde, Jarvis Landry
GO GIANTS!!!
I understand we have all lived with lousey football for 9 years....but this staff....has only had one year with this team.
The roster has just started to mold into...what the coaches want.
I am very curious to see who goes, who stays and who gets brought in....it will be very telling.
But make no mistake....the Giants are in year 2 of there most current rebuild.
Here we go again with Gettleman getting a pass for completely fucking up in his first two years.
Anything short of 10 wins in 2021 and he must go. Hire a GM who actually understands how to build a winning football team. We've wasted enough time with a scout masquerading as a GM.
I'm expecting 6-8 wins in 2021.
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More then a new GM, a new coach....means a new rebuild.
I understand we have all lived with lousey football for 9 years....but this staff....has only had one year with this team.
The roster has just started to mold into...what the coaches want.
I am very curious to see who goes, who stays and who gets brought in....it will be very telling.
But make no mistake....the Giants are in year 2 of there most current rebuild.
Here we go again with Gettleman getting a pass for completely fucking up in his first two years.
Anything short of 10 wins in 2021 and he must go. Hire a GM who actually understands how to build a winning football team. We've wasted enough time with a scout masquerading as a GM.
I'm expecting 6-8 wins in 2021.
Groundhog Day is a movie favorite around here...
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I'll take you up on that bet. What's the wager? I go over you go under 7.5.
If it's over I'll leave the site for good. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps.
If it's under, BBI organizes a petition for posters to sign that implores John Mara to back away from football operations and hire an actual expert to take over. It will never happen, but at least he'll hear the sentiment.
How do you know that Mara is "too" involved with OPS now? Or ever was for that matter?
The only thing I can think of where Mara screwed up was his HC decision making back when he wacked Coughlin for McAdoo and hired Shurmur.
Owners hire coaches all the time. Has there been any evidence to support any claims that Mara is making all these bad decisions you speak of?
The Giants looked highly dysfunctional 17-18 but even 2019 looked more like a rebuild year along with 2020, which was close to actually looking pretty functional.
I don't know--maybe I am nuts but I don't see the clear visible warning signs the last year or more that we saw 17-18 and even 19. But what do I know.
Agree.
Probably keep Engram for another two years after this one, for whatever reason.
this is the same team
same record as last year until we see the new team after training camp
I believe that our OL will make a huge leap.
I believe DG will make sound picks; UFA's; and retain DL.
I believe Judge is a solid NFL coach and he is a winner.
I believe the defense will remain in the 10 - 15 range.
I believe our special teams will take a step up as well.
I also believe the Skins and Cowboys will improve while the Eagles are going to rebuild around a new HC and system.
If we stay healthy and get a playmaker at WR, we will win this division at say 10 - 6. See, I'm a fan and will wear rose colored glasses forever.
However, if we draft projects and injuries mount we can be a bottom 10 team again.
I believe that our OL will make a huge leap.
I believe DG will make sound picks; UFA's; and retain DL.
I believe Judge is a solid NFL coach and he is a winner.
I believe the defense will remain in the 10 - 15 range.
I believe our special teams will take a step up as well.
I also believe the Skins and Cowboys will improve while the Eagles are going to rebuild around a new HC and system.
If we stay healthy and get a playmaker at WR, we will win this division at say 10 - 6. See, I'm a fan and will wear rose colored glasses forever.
However, if we draft projects and injuries mount we can be a bottom 10 team again.
I dont "believe" anymore. I make my decisions on facts and reality. So, I can get on board with your Judge and defense comments because they both proved something to me this past season. The rest of what you said remains to be seen.