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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan · 2h WR Da'Mari Scott and DB Shakial Taylor were waived by the Giants. Both players had opted out this season. Wouldn't be surprised if CB Sam Beal is next. |
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan Stunned if he’s back. Hasn’t done much to impress on the field and behind the scenes. Quote Tweet Moose and Fury Podcast @NYGpodcast · 2h Replying to @JordanRaanan This would make zero sense. Scott and Taylor were both street FA’s. We spent a 3rd rounder on Beal, he’s 24 years old and plays a position that’s a huge need |
Not sure there’s a nexus there, but sure, if true, he needs to be moved on from us.
Given that he's dressed for six games in three years, I'd say that seems like a safe assumption.
I would normally agree, but perhaps they already know his mindset is such that he won't do the work required between now and then to even be ready for camp. He'd also be taking reps from other players.
The COVID opt out was weird. Listen, it was his call, but he is what, 23 or 24? I obviously don't know his family dynamics, but it seemed odd in the moment.
Whomever spoke up for Beal in the evaluation process should be required to make Starbuck runs for the next year.
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has been that he just doesn't want to be a professional football player. Not so much of a headcase like Eli Apple or Deandre Baker, but Beal just never had his heart in it. It's an individual decision to opt out for Covid but his decision to opt out seemed more fell in line with his overall desire that he really doesn't want to play.
The COVID opt out was weird. Listen, it was his call, but he is what, 23 or 24? I obviously don't know his family dynamics, but it seemed odd in the moment.
I always assumed that he opted out for reasons similar to why Solder did, but I admit I had no independent knowledge of that.
Brutal. At least we have a coach who has no problem cutting guys like Beal now. Let’s hope there’s better influence over the draft too
Missing on one pick is no sin. Everyone has misses. There just aren't enough hits.
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guys have no idea how the draft works. Ripping on DG for missing on some random 3rd rnd pick.
Missing on one pick is no sin. Everyone has misses. There just aren't enough hits.
I think a bigger problem is that he doesn't navigate the draft to maximize the number of picks. More picks is more lotto tickets that can hit. He never trades back.
Forfeited the pick on a jag.
But what does that mean exactly...Draft Hit?
Gettleman inherited a very weak roster and he has picked at the top of the Draft for 3 years straight. Just finding starters or guys that get significant playing time doesn't mean a Draft Hit as they could have just replaced poor starters and they themselves may be only minimal upgrades.
The Giants still have one of the weakest rosters in the league and likely need substantial upgrades at 4-5 positions on the Offense and another 3-4 on the Defense.
But will let you explain and display how he is at least league average.
anyone can play that game - remember Adrian Klemm, JR Redmond, Greg Randall, Dave Stalchelski, Jeff Marriott, Antwan Harris?
Those are the guys the Patriots drafted in 2000 before Brady. 48 starts for their careers for the Patriots among six guys. Brady was the best draft pick ever. The rest of those guys pretty much stunk.
Luck or skill?
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You expect at least a competent back up from a 3rd round pick. The guy was hurt and then sucked when he came back. Waste of a pick.
It was a high 3rd too. We were number 2 on the priority wire since we were coming off a shit season. I know people hate these comparisons but it was as close as it gets to a second round pick. We weren't the only team to offer our third but our third was worth more than the others.
Not to mention that for intents and purposes, Beal was VERY highly regarded. Great size, great tackler, was good at locating the ball. Some even said that jad he been academically eligible to return to school, he would have been a possible 1st rounder.
There are some things you just can't predict. I guess you could say that "any football player that cant remain academically eligible to keep playing football is a red flag" but that would be a stretch. This was not like taking Chris Henry or Vontaze Burfict. Beall actually looked more than just solid in the games he played for us. The opt out was very puzzling. Sometimes players just stop being football players.
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Selected 6 picks after our forfeited selection: Terry McClaurin and Chase Winovich.
anyone can play that game - remember Adrian Klemm, JR Redmond, Greg Randall, Dave Stalchelski, Jeff Marriott, Antwan Harris?
Those are the guys the Patriots drafted in 2000 before Brady. 48 starts for their careers for the Patriots among six guys. Brady was the best draft pick ever. The rest of those guys pretty much stunk.
Luck or skill?
I remember Redmond (RB?) and Klemm (TE?)! LOL
That is simply not true. He was more than competent.
Davis Webb, D Thomson, O odighizuwa, Bromley, D Moore, J Hosley, J. Jernigan, Chad Jones Jerry Reeses picks hopefully DGs picks work out better
There is absolutely no incentive to cut him now.
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You expect at least a competent back up from a 3rd round pick. The guy was hurt and then sucked when he came back. Waste of a pick.
That is simply not true. He was more than competent.
Maybe you and I have a different idea of what competent is. He looked terrible to me and the stats confirm it. In the 4 games where he saw significant snaps he gave up a 76% completion percentage and opposing QBs had a 115 rating against him. 1 career pass defended.
Pro Football Reference Advanced Stats - ( New Window )
There is absolutely no incentive to cut him now.
Interesting. Always appreciate hearing you chime in.
If Jordan’s goal was to make us look, he got us
Give me a break. God forbid we use draft history to evaluate a GM. He missed red flags on Beal. He missed red flags on Baker. Not only that, he gave up 2 picks to move up and take Baker. Will Hernandez was a good prospect, but the 34th bat player in the draft?
The idea that a team as bad as the Giants can afford to throw away picks tells me you don’t know much about how the draft works.
That said, you expect a team to assess the player's love for the game. It's hard to project three years in the future, but if there has to be accountability, that's on Gettleman. That said, even high 3rd round draft choices have a limited likelihood of success. It should be put into context of all decisions he has made. You can call the decision to draft him a mistake, but hey!--sh-t happens
In comment 15151843 Matt in SGS said:
Love to make excuses for whiffing on draft picks when it's not Jerry Reese making the picks.
I think a bigger problem is that he doesn't navigate the draft to maximize the number of picks. More picks is more lotto tickets that can hit. He never trades back.
I would love for us to trade back on occasion too but you have to be fair here. You have NO IDEA whether we tried to trade back. You also need another team that for some reason NEEDS YOUR SPOT to grab a player they really like.
People just assume that you can trade back if you want to. I suppose the answer is yes if you are willing to accept very little in return.
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I think a bigger problem is that he doesn't navigate the draft to maximize the number of picks. More picks is more lotto tickets that can hit. He never trades back.
I would love for us to trade back on occasion too but you have to be fair here. You have NO IDEA whether we tried to trade back. You also need another team that for some reason NEEDS YOUR SPOT to grab a player they really like.
People just assume that you can trade back if you want to. I suppose the answer is yes if you are willing to accept very little in return.
The Giants were going to trade back in the second round last year if McKinney wasn't on the board. But it is strange that they haven't done so since Accorsi traded back in the first round to take Kiwi. I'd like to see them do it this year.
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has been that he just doesn't want to be a professional football player. Not so much of a headcase like Eli Apple or Deandre Baker, but Beal just never had his heart in it. It's an individual decision to opt out for Covid but his decision to opt out seemed more fell in line with his overall desire that he really doesn't want to play.
Given that he's dressed for six games in three years, I'd say that seems like a safe assumption.
I'd say he is achieving his goals
I wouldn't stop there.
Dre'mont Jones had a very, very good performance this year for the Broncos. He's looking like a real find for them at DT.
And Bobby Okereke is terrific young SAM LB for the Colts.
There is absolutely no incentive to cut him now.
Ranaan is NOT making things up.
He is simply woefully only reporting it a full month after Patti Traina nailed the exact same issue on her Locked-On Giants Podcast. I posted Traina's thoughts on Beal on 1-12-21.