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GBN Draft Report: Big Board Top 100 Update (Feb. 13th)

M.S. : 2/14/2021 7:19 am

GBN has 4 QBs ranked in the Top 10, and let's hope they're all selected before the Giants pick.

One name that caught my eye: DE Jaelan Phillips out of Miami (ranked #10.) Could the Giants call his name with the 11th pick? Certainly a desperate need for the Giants, and here's a guy that sheds / slips off blockers, and also has a devastating inside move. And if he brings a little attitude to our pass rush, all the better -- we could surely use it.

Here is breakdown by position. I've been crying for WR at #11, and surely this Draft is deep at that position. Then, again, if we find a bona fide pass rusher with first pick, who would bitch about that?

WR 17
CB 14
OLB 11
OT 9
DE 8
DT 7
S 7
OG 6
QB 6
ILB 4
RB 4
TE 4
C 3


Alabama leads all schools with 9 players in Top 100. When will the Tuscaloosa Tides become the next NFL expansion team?

Alabama 9
Ohio State 6
LSU 5
Clemson 4
Miami 4
Pittsburgh 4
Southern California 4

Breakdown of Class Year for Top 100:

JR 61
SR 28
RSO 11


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We need to add a WR in FA  
adamg : 2/14/2021 7:32 am : link
So we can go BPA in the first and second.

I wouldn't mind going ER/DL/CB/OL with our first four picks. We need to add to the depth on O playmakers though.
Anyone have a good thumbnail of the different between  
adamg : 2/14/2021 7:40 am : link
Farley and Surtain. Both are similar size. Draft scout seems to think Farley has elite speed while Surtain doesn't.
Anyone else find it odd  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/14/2021 7:44 am : link
That Miami would have the top 2 DEs in the country? I know at least one opted out last season, but did they have a ridiculous pass rush? It just seems like one elevated the other. This is just pure speculation on my part. I haven’t watched Miami at all.
Najee Harris at 44 ? I don’t think so ...  
Spider56 : 2/14/2021 8:14 am : link
He’s a punishing runner and was just as valuable to Alabama’s offense as Jones, Waddle and Smith.
Kyle Pitts  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/14/2021 8:28 am : link
Just falls right into that sweet spot. Need and value come together nicely.
Jaelan Phillips  
Samiam : 2/14/2021 8:35 am : link
Thought I read he’s had issues with concussions. If that’s true, cross him off the wish list.

As an aside, if the Giants grab one of these speed WRs early and don’t build up the OL with someone good (or maybe 2 good linemen), it’s going to be frustrating watching guys get open and Jones running for his life or flat on his back or throwing the ball away.
RE: Anyone else find it odd  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/14/2021 8:39 am : link
In comment 15152554 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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That Miami would have the top 2 DEs in the country? I know at least one opted out last season, but did they have a ridiculous pass rush? It just seems like one elevated the other. This is just pure speculation on my part. I haven’t watched Miami at all.


You should find it odd. ACC is not even a good conference. Insanely top heavy. Wouldn't touch either of those guys at 11. Will be a lot of better players than either of those two at 11. Hard pass on both
RE: Kyle Pitts  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/14/2021 8:41 am : link
In comment 15152568 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Just falls right into that sweet spot. Need and value come together nicely.
I have seen mocks where he goes as high as #2. It would be great if he is there at 11. It would be a pleasant surprise.
RE: Jaelan Phillips  
rasbutant : 2/14/2021 9:14 am : link
In comment 15152570 Samiam said:
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Thought I read he’s had issues with concussions. If that’s true, cross him off the wish list.

As an aside, if the Giants grab one of these speed WRs early and don’t build up the OL with someone good (or maybe 2 good linemen), it’s going to be frustrating watching guys get open and Jones running for his life or flat on his back or throwing the ball away.



He is an interesting story. Has Chase Young talent, but you can’t hid from the injury concerns. Seem like a good kid also. Watch his story here......
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RE: RE: Anyone else find it odd  
rasbutant : 2/14/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15152572 LauderdaleMatty said:
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That Miami would have the top 2 DEs in the country? I know at least one opted out last season, but did they have a ridiculous pass rush? It just seems like one elevated the other. This is just pure speculation on my part. I haven’t watched Miami at all.



You should find it odd. ACC is not even a good conference. Insanely top heavy. Wouldn't touch either of those guys at 11. Will be a lot of better players than either of those two at 11. Hard pass on both


Check your facts, when you false report it weakens your point of view. FYI they never played together. In fact they both had the same jersey number #15.
45 Ronnie Perkins DE  
rasbutant : 2/14/2021 9:24 am : link
Is someone to watch in the 2nd round.

Though I’m hopeful Landon Dickerson falls to them at that spot.
We discuss it every year but it never happens...but  
George from PA : 2/14/2021 9:28 am : link
If 4 QBs are rated that high....I hope we get an offer we can not refuse....
Outside of 5 blue chip players ....talent flattens out....get some extra top 50 picks...

WR
Corner
G
Edge
2 way TE
RE: RE: RE: Anyone else find it odd  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/14/2021 9:31 am : link
In comment 15152590 rasbutant said:
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That Miami would have the top 2 DEs in the country? I know at least one opted out last season, but did they have a ridiculous pass rush? It just seems like one elevated the other. This is just pure speculation on my part. I haven’t watched Miami at all.



You should find it odd. ACC is not even a good conference. Insanely top heavy. Wouldn't touch either of those guys at 11. Will be a lot of better players than either of those two at 11. Hard pass on both



Check your facts, when you false report it weakens your point of view. FYI they never played together. In fact they both had the same jersey number #15.

Well, admittedly I haven’t watched Miami football as I stated in my post. I just find it statistically improbable that Miami would have the #1 AND #2 DEs in the country. Could there be other factors that contributed to their success that is not being accounted for? Was there an underrated interior lineman that contributed to their success? Scheme? Match ups? Poor WR/good DB matchups that created more time/opportunity for sacks? I’m just curious. Even if it was Clemson I’d be skeptical.
This is going to be a real crazy draft. Little personal contact,  
Ivan15 : 2/14/2021 9:47 am : link
No combine, very limited pro days, opt outs and Covid cancellations and shutdowns. Wild, wild west. This is going to be like the old days. Very unpredictable. Lots more booms and more busts than usual.

Wellington Mara would have been in his element reading draft magazines.
I wasn’t referring to your post but to the response to your post  
rasbutant : 2/14/2021 9:47 am : link
As far as Miami they actually have another highly rank edge guy in 69 ranked Quincy Roche.
RE: I wasn’t referring to your post but to the response to your post  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/14/2021 10:07 am : link
In comment 15152606 rasbutant said:
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As far as Miami they actually have another highly rank edge guy in 69 ranked Quincy Roche.

are all these guys local recruits?
I don’t know about the other two but  
rasbutant : 2/14/2021 10:26 am : link
Phillips transferred from UCLA after retiring due to concussions.

Choose Miami because of their music program. It’s all in the doc video I linked earlier.
This board will change a few times before the draft  
SGMen : 2/14/2021 11:15 am : link
I just want the BPA regardless of position cause man we have some serious holes: ER, WR, TE, CB are the biggest as of today, unless of course we couldn't resign Williams and Tomlinson.

RE: We need to add a WR in FA  
chick310 : 2/14/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15152549 adamg said:
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So we can go BPA in the first and second.

I wouldn't mind going ER/DL/CB/OL with our first four picks. We need to add to the depth on O playmakers though.


I tend to agree with the thinking of adding WR during free agency as you just don't know how the draft could fall. That gives Dave Gettleman some flexibility to go in numerous directions on day 1 and day 2 of draft.

Besides, Daniel Jones is going to need at least two new receiving targets in his critical 3rd year, and the prudent play may not have both of them be rookies.
I’m really interested in the two Miami DE  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/14/2021 11:46 am : link
Which one would make a better fit for a 3-4 OLB?
RE: I’m really interested in the two Miami DE  
adamg : 2/14/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15152702 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Which one would make a better fit for a 3-4 OLB?


Walter Football says they're both versatile to scheme.

Rousseau vs. Phillips
If the draft actially played out exactly like Colin's board  
BelieveJJ : 2/14/2021 12:03 pm : link
and Farley, Pitts, Waddle and Parsons (not to mention Rousseau) were all avaiable at 11, I'd probably jump up and down for joy and in anticipation.


Although, with that nexus of blue chippers (or near BC) available, there's no way in HELL, DG would trade down.

He'll be in LOVE with someone among them!

I'd take Parsons or Pitts from among them, two true freaks w/out injury histories.
RE: Anyone have a good thumbnail of the different between  
Section331 : 2/14/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15152552 adamg said:
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Farley and Surtain. Both are similar size. Draft scout seems to think Farley has elite speed while Surtain doesn't.


Farley is faster, Surtain is more of a technique guy. Surtain is really solid in his fundamentals, and is a terrific tackler. Farley is the more explosive athlete, but missed the last 2 games of 2019 with back surgery, and sat out this past year.

It will come down to how Surtain tests. If he can run a sub-4.5 and do well in short burst drills, I think he is the first CB off the board.
RE: RE: Anyone have a good thumbnail of the different between  
adamg : 2/14/2021 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15152714 Section331 said:
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Farley and Surtain. Both are similar size. Draft scout seems to think Farley has elite speed while Surtain doesn't.



Farley is faster, Surtain is more of a technique guy. Surtain is really solid in his fundamentals, and is a terrific tackler. Farley is the more explosive athlete, but missed the last 2 games of 2019 with back surgery, and sat out this past year.

It will come down to how Surtain tests. If he can run a sub-4.5 and do well in short burst drills, I think he is the first CB off the board.


Thanks.
One takeaway from these lists, for me anyway:  
81_Great_Dane : 2/14/2021 1:03 pm : link
Whether the Giants go WR in the first or not, these WRs probably are off the board by the time the Giants pick in the 2nd:

Smith
Chase
Waddle
Toney
Bateman
Marshall -- I'm guessing it's 70-30 he's taken early 2nd.

Then I expect a run on WRs in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds, with Rondale Moore, Elijah Moore, Tutu Atwell, Seth Williams, Nico Collins, Sage Surratt and others flying off the board. Maybe one of those guys is available in the 4th, but it's a long shot, and if so, it's probably because of an injury concern.

So many needs, so few picks.
RE: I’m really interested in the two Miami DE  
jeff57 : 2/14/2021 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15152702 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Which one would make a better fit for a 3-4 OLB?


Phillips. He actually played some last season. Phillips also has some great pass rush moves, unlike Rousseau who just relied on speed.
I'd be happy with any of...  
Milton : 2/14/2021 1:18 pm : link
Farley, Pitts, or Rousseau, so it sets up nicely for my preferences. And if Sewell (fat chance!), Chase (not bloody likely!), or Slater should drop from the top ten, all the better. That's my short list.
RE: RE: Jaelan Phillips  
jeff57 : 2/14/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15152589 rasbutant said:
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Thought I read he’s had issues with concussions. If that’s true, cross him off the wish list.

As an aside, if the Giants grab one of these speed WRs early and don’t build up the OL with someone good (or maybe 2 good linemen), it’s going to be frustrating watching guys get open and Jones running for his life or flat on his back or throwing the ball away.




He is an interesting story. Has Chase Young talent, but you can’t hid from the injury concerns. Seem like a good kid also. Watch his story here...... Link - ( New Window )


Was concussion free last season. Still a tremendous talent.
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RE: RE: I’m really interested in the two Miami DE  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/14/2021 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15152708 adamg said:
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In comment 15152702 JoeyBigBlue said:


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Which one would make a better fit for a 3-4 OLB?



Walter Football says they're both versatile to scheme.

Rousseau vs. Phillips


Thanks for this.
For comparison's sake  
Milton : 2/14/2021 1:35 pm : link
Here's...
The Huddle Report Top 200 (updated February 8th) - ( New Window )
RE: For comparison's sake  
81_Great_Dane : 2/14/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15152777 Milton said:
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Here's... The Huddle Report Top 200 (updated February 8th) - ( New Window )
Big variation between sites. PFN, GBN, Huddle, all very different. One guy's steal is another's throw-the-remote.
RE: RE: For comparison's sake  
Milton : 2/14/2021 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15152781 81_Great_Dane said:
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Big variation between sites. PFN, GBN, Huddle, all very different. One guy's steal is another's throw-the-remote.
I expect the same to be true among NFL scouting departments.
I so hope Toney makes it to our second  
adamg : 2/15/2021 4:00 am : link
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The best thing that can happen to us is for a top guy to fall  
SGMen : 2/15/2021 5:02 am : link
It happens. Sometimes QB's get taken earlier than they should due to need and BOOM a guy you never thought would be there is there and you JUMP for JOY.

This draft board will change and change and change each week. We know that cause writers have to write something to generate revenue and clicks.

I want an impact playmaker at #11 and a starter in the 2nd round as well.

If we went WR and he catches say 75-1100-8 as a rookie #1 we'd be in great shape for the future. It happens but its not the norm.

Say we surprise and take an OG in round #2 and he is the next Chris Snee, starting over Hernandez as a rookie as Zeitler is cut (forcing the pick perhaps?) would you be mad? Not me, great players are needed everywhere.

If in round 3 we took a top RB who is a 1000 yard ability type rusher as a rookie would we be wrong given Barkley's injuries? Nope.
RE: The best thing that can happen to us is for a top guy to fall  
BelieveJJ : 2/15/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15153009 SGMen said:
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It happens. Sometimes QB's get taken earlier than they should due to need and BOOM a guy you never thought would be there is there and you JUMP for JOY.

This draft board will change and change and change each week. We know that cause writers have to write something to generate revenue and clicks.

I want an impact playmaker at #11 and a starter in the 2nd round as well.

If we went WR and he catches say 75-1100-8 as a rookie #1 we'd be in great shape for the future. It happens but its not the norm.

Say we surprise and take an OG in round #2 and he is the next Chris Snee, starting over Hernandez as a rookie as Zeitler is cut (forcing the pick perhaps?) would you be mad? Not me, great players are needed everywhere.

If in round 3 we took a top RB who is a 1000 yard ability type rusher as a rookie would we be wrong given Barkley's injuries? Nope.


Any ONE of those choices would be fine, but all 3, taken together, should earn DG a swift kick in the nuts from Patrick Graham, don't you think?
Jaelen Phillips  
mittenedman : 2/15/2021 10:40 am : link
and JOK are the 2 darkhorse picks for the Giants.

Phillips has some of that JJ Watt/Joey Bosa type game from the edge. He would fit nicely on the left edge of the defense.
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