No one has hated the recent history more then I. Sitting in seats surrounded by the oppositions team's fans..drive me nuts. lets be honest, this past season only saving grace was the pitiful division .....but I do feel like we have turned the corner.
This staff has the team ready to play every week. Smart Football.... the Giants are still short of talent. No moral victories and this off-season must go as well as possible.
The talent on offense, without Barkley is scary. Good to see how well Gates played center and even with all the growing pains, Thomas has secured the LT spot imo, but Sy is absolutely correct about the OL. Hernandez lost his job to a non-complete rookie guard. Peart never replaced a weak Fleming at RT and Zeitler is paid like the best guard in the league. Much still needs to done with OL.
The limitation with WRs have been discussed and Engram actually cost us games.....We can only live with Shepard and Slayton if we have a stud to get the bulk of attention.
A #1 WR, a 2-way TE, a guard and tackle.
The defense is much closer, especially with the Addition of Blake and Bradberry. A game wreaking edge would do wonders...just imagine a youthful LT on this team. Not sure if that unicorn can be found.
The late season pick-up of Quincy Wilson intrigues me. He was a 2nd Rd press corner of the Colts that was traded to the Jets, got hurt and never saw the field, waived and the Giants picked him up late in season.....if he can fill in opposite Bradberry. They certainly have enough time to see what they have in Quincy....so if corner is not a priority, he might be the answer. if not....assume addition at Edge and corner
The roster is totally empty. The safeties might be the strongest group the Giants have ever had! Barkley might be the best the RB ever for the Giants.
This is probably Jones make or break year....I hope he steps up.....but if not....I sure hope we figure out all the noise in Seattle with Russel Wilson...would love him in Blue if Jones fails.
The Eagles are a mess. Dallas might rebound a bit with Dak but their arrow is pointing down. Washington will be much tougher match.....but there is no reason....the Giants can not start a winning run. The Giants are closer then many might think.
the TO do list
Secure Williams long-term and stabilize the DL.
Should be a no brainer
Secure the secondary with one more reliable corner.
Hopefully Q.Wilson is the answer.
Bring in that Non-Prima Dona #1 WR.
Hate to pay big bucks but draft is risky
Get a reliable 2 way TE.
our next TE must block
Figure out how to complete the OL.
It has been 10 years since the OL has been a strength.....the primary reason the Giants have had a near decade of sad sack seasons.....to me....this is #1 priority.
the most difficult get will be the game wreaking Edge....
Bud Dupree killed the Giants....and the Steelers are in cap hell....so maybe he becomes available.
nothing earth shattering just some ramblings about my beloved Giants to spur some conversation
Peart was playing rather well before Covid. Never seemed to regain his strength post..He looks like a play who takes no prisoners. TBD..
Our DL was upper level, sans Edge guy..Our LBs weren’t elite, but productive imv.
Our Secondary looks strong if healthy. They should hopefully fortify there, imo.
I’m optimistic about our developing OL. That too will hopefully be upgraded as well..
Granted the teams are apples and oranges as far as personnel and Eli being in year 1 while Jones was year 2, but I don't think it's unfair to feel that Jones was about as close to a year 1 QB as you will find. Any QB going from one staff to a different staff from year 1-2 would likely experience a learning curve, and this was one rough year to learn something new in the NFL.
The Giants just had the look of a team with staying power or purpose, much like the 2004 team did. Both teams displayed streaks of good play also displayed sore spots. Young teams do that.
I don't know how good we will be under Judge and Jones but I think they team is poised to not suffer atrophy while adding talent these next few years.
I like the direction judge and gettleman are taking this team. They are looking for football players and if you can contribute, they will find a role for them.
I think we have turned more into a proactive approach in building the roster instead of reactive
That said, get a blocking BEAST. Run 11 personnel often utilizing Barkley as a receiving threat and you can throw out of what is just as likely a running formation/package.
JG just needs to be creative with his concepts.
I think the O line might be set and may NOT require any more finite resources. They survived the perfect storm and PFF has them rated 16th or exactly middle of the pack.
Gates and Thomas should be significantly better. Hernandez post covid better than Scott L. Zeigler played better at the end and I think Peart could be a monster or we could survive with someone like Fleming.
The return of Barclay is going to help the oline too
wow. good luck with that.
Your opinion is your opinion but I will say this, why do you think Graham played so much man at Miami and so much zone here? They didn't go into the season with the type of defense we were playing at the end of the year. Graham has commented how they had to switch to a mostly zone D. Judge has said he wants to be multiple as a team to give us the best chance to win every week. We were anything but multiple on D. We brought the same style every week. Why do you think that was?
Draft best talent on defense (corner first, front seven next) in round one. Rounds 2-4 add 2 WR, best OL (ideally a nasty Guard). Worst thing the Giants can do is think the OL is set....add talent every year.
FA find a veteran WR hopefully on short contract till the rookies are ready.
I think the coaching staff shows promise. It will be up to Jones to show he belongs. I am skeptical but hope to be proven wrong. If they continue to strengthen elsewhere then replacing him will be easier if need be as they can give up assets and make a bold move.
My biggest concern is ownership that makes there living through Football and being out a full season of attendance being in a position to be aggressive in Free Agency. They are not Jerry Jones or the owners from Carolina and Jacksonville who can throw in a 100 mil of cash and not blink an eye.
My biggest concern is ownership that makes there living through Football and being out a full season of attendance being in a position to be aggressive in Free Agency. They are not Jerry Jones or the owners from Carolina and Jacksonville who can throw in a 100 mil of cash and not blink an eye.
I think we upgrade on CB but probably a wave 2 or wave 3 guy. Kind of like when we got Sam Madison late. You hope of course to get someone close to that level on the cheap but at least someone who would be an upgrade of Yiadom.
Living in the middle of Eagle country....has not been great....but I just hold up 4 to 1
NE can torture everyone but the Giants.
Brady still grimaces....
Red Sox is slightly harder to deal with....but the Yankees have staying power....and should overcome.
I am interested to see who is picked up in free agency. There should be at least one solid starter other than our own d-linemen. When we have that out of the way, we can all argue about potential draft picks.
The kid coming out of Penn St is not a blocking TE...right now but has a body type that can become a 2 way TE.
I am not looking for Mike Ditka....but the only way offenses and defenses become "multiple " is by having players that are multiple.
A safety that can play Lber.
A TE that can not block hurts..... the best way to hide what an offense is going to do...Barkley can run and go out to pass.
Defenses will sell out to stop run....the Giants need a TE that can run block.
Hoping the 2nd pedigree....I read Wilson had a good rookie year playing press corner....coaches changed...traded.
The Jets are dysfunctional....so who knows.
At least..the coaches have seen him practice...so they should know exactly what they have....I suspect corner will be a priority if he is not the answer
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But we are 5 deep in quality DBs. Peppers. McKinney, Ryan, Bradberry, and Holmes. And we have Love and Yiadom as well. To me this is not a priority position to add a high draft pick or FA. WR, OL and TE are all more important to upgrade.
Your opinion is your opinion but I will say this, why do you think Graham played so much man at Miami and so much zone here? They didn't go into the season with the type of defense we were playing at the end of the year. Graham has commented how they had to switch to a mostly zone D. Judge has said he wants to be multiple as a team to give us the best chance to win every week. We were anything but multiple on D. We brought the same style every week. Why do you think that was?
Through most of last year we didn't have McKinney and Holmes was a rookie who missed some time as well. Love also showed well in the last game. This will be a different looking unit next season even without additions. I'd rather roll the dice with this secondary than our WR, OL or TE.
Presupposing that Thomas and Gates will be good, and I hope that’s true, the OL might not suck as it has over the past few years but it has a long way to go to look as it good as it did during that winning streak during the middle of the year. I don’t know if the help we require will be available during free agency but if it isn’t, how will Jones have the time to throw deep to the new WR or how will Barkley run well when he gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage unless we find someone good in the draft?
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But we are 5 deep in quality DBs. Peppers. McKinney, Ryan, Bradberry, and Holmes. And we have Love and Yiadom as well. To me this is not a priority position to add a high draft pick or FA. WR, OL and TE are all more important to upgrade.
Your opinion is your opinion but I will say this, why do you think Graham played so much man at Miami and so much zone here? They didn't go into the season with the type of defense we were playing at the end of the year. Graham has commented how they had to switch to a mostly zone D. Judge has said he wants to be multiple as a team to give us the best chance to win every week. We were anything but multiple on D. We brought the same style every week. Why do you think that was?
Through most of last year we didn't have McKinney and Holmes was a rookie who missed some time as well. Love also showed well in the last game. This will be a different looking unit next season even without additions. I'd rather roll the dice with this secondary than our WR, OL or TE.
There is a difference between you wanting to upgrade other positions and saying corner is not a need. Corner is absolutely a need and, imo, opens up this playbook. DC's play zone to protect their corners and puts the emphasis on the DL doing their job up front. We were actually very successful last year blitzing. The issue was that is was done at such a low rate. If Graham felt he could trust his secondary to hold up on the back end then he would have blitzed more when our front seven guys were banged up. You have to think realistically. You are focusing on reasons ye may have played more zone later in the year but aren't being fair to what was happening up front. Guys like Fackrell and Martinez were hurt. If anything, our secondary was in better shape than our OLB so why did he not help them out more by blitzing more than helping out our secondary by keeping 7 guys in coverage. Corner is 100% a huge need for this team. That doesn't mean it needs to be a top tier FA or our first round pick. It needs to be addresses though.
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In comment 15153183 BillT said:
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But we are 5 deep in quality DBs. Peppers. McKinney, Ryan, Bradberry, and Holmes. And we have Love and Yiadom as well. To me this is not a priority position to add a high draft pick or FA. WR, OL and TE are all more important to upgrade.
Your opinion is your opinion but I will say this, why do you think Graham played so much man at Miami and so much zone here? They didn't go into the season with the type of defense we were playing at the end of the year. Graham has commented how they had to switch to a mostly zone D. Judge has said he wants to be multiple as a team to give us the best chance to win every week. We were anything but multiple on D. We brought the same style every week. Why do you think that was?
Through most of last year we didn't have McKinney and Holmes was a rookie who missed some time as well. Love also showed well in the last game. This will be a different looking unit next season even without additions. I'd rather roll the dice with this secondary than our WR, OL or TE.
There is a difference between you wanting to upgrade other positions and saying corner is not a need. Corner is absolutely a need and, imo, opens up this playbook. DC's play zone to protect their corners and puts the emphasis on the DL doing their job up front. We were actually very successful last year blitzing. The issue was that is was done at such a low rate. If Graham felt he could trust his secondary to hold up on the back end then he would have blitzed more when our front seven guys were banged up. You have to think realistically. You are focusing on reasons ye may have played more zone later in the year but aren't being fair to what was happening up front. Guys like Fackrell and Martinez were hurt. If anything, our secondary was in better shape than our OLB so why did he not help them out more by blitzing more than helping out our secondary by keeping 7 guys in coverage. Corner is 100% a huge need for this team. That doesn't mean it needs to be a top tier FA or our first round pick. It needs to be addresses though.
I never said CB wasn't a need. My original post was "But we are 5 deep in quality DBs. Peppers. McKinney, Ryan, Bradberry, and Holmes. And we have Love and Yiadom as well. To me this is not a priority position to add a high draft pick or FA. WR, OL and TE are all more important to upgrade."
Due to concerns of man to man coverage.....makes corner a need and high a priority.
Same goes with Garrett holding back long developing plays due to pass coverage concerns.....
This team will never be what we want them to be.... until roster matches the needs of the coaches.
And ideally offering depth as well.
There are more, but not bunches.
I may be warming to Pitts.
His catch radius is as large as any player I can think of. He's fast and 50/50 balls are 80/20 balls when he's on the fueld.
There are more, but not bunches.
I may be warming to Pitts.
His catch radius is as large as any player I can think of. He's fast and 50/50 balls are 80/20 balls when he's on the fueld.
The entire unit needs a face lift...
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There are more, but not bunches.
I may be warming to Pitts.
His catch radius is as large as any player I can think of. He's fast and 50/50 balls are 80/20 balls when he's on the fueld.
The best TEs in the game are 2-way TEs. Even Waller’s blocking rating has him at league average for a TE. Engram is rated at the bottom.
so we're up to 7 2-way TEs.
My point was if NY wants a dual threat that 12 personnel would accomplish that with Pitts as one of the TEs and Barkley as the TB, You have a running formation Which lends itself to play action which buys Daniel Jones an extra half sec. and Barkley qualifies as a good receiving option.
Find a beast blocking TE.
Of course...it helps in play action.... That is not the point.