Is Golladay or Robinson really THAT good?

Robinson would be going from one train wreck to another

Beyond that I'm not sure what you're asking.

teams and played admirably, particularly Robinson. I personally prefer Golladay because he reminds me of Plax. He is roughly the same age as Robinson, but less mileage as he graduated when he was 23 and has only played three full seasons worth of games.

both are #1 WRs and both would help us immensely. I favor Robinson because I just don’t trust Golladays health. Robinson came back a couple years ago from the knee tear and proved to me he can deal with his injuries.

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both are #1 WRs and both would help us immensely. I favor Robinson because I just don’t trust Golladays health. Robinson came back a couple years ago from the knee tear and proved to me he can deal with his injuries.

A-Rob is my top guy to. He is an amazingly QB friendly WR. Galloway is the better deep threat but not the well rounded reciever A-Rob is and more injury prone.

Robinson is good. I'd like either wr, but I could see Robinson being apprehensive about coming here. I'm not in the trainwreck crowd and I like DJ, but Robinson could look at us and wonder if he wants to play with another young, unproven qb. Keep in mind he's been saddled with Bortles and then Trubisky. He's taken a beating over his career and probably only has 3 good years left. He may want to go to a better contender.

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Beyond that I'm not sure what you're asking.

I thought it was quite simple, are they really good #1 WRs. Most teams have a designated #1, does that make them truly good outside WRs? I didn’t think I asked a difficult or provocative question.

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Robinson is good. I'd like either wr, but I could see Robinson being apprehensive about coming here. I'm not in the trainwreck crowd and I like DJ, but Robinson could look at us and wonder if he wants to play with another young, unproven qb. Keep in mind he's been saddled with Bortles and then Trubisky. He's taken a beating over his career and probably only has 3 good years left. He may want to go to a better contender.

I forgot he had Bortles

among the best 20 WRs in the NFL IMO. Some upside to crack the top 10 maybe.

Either would be a huge upgrade for us. We have a few top 50ish guys here but no one close to their level.

then there are good WRs. Then there are average or worse. We have one good one in Shepard and one that is potential but needs attention drawn away from in Slayton. Robinson is very good. Golladay is more about potential less production than Robinson but he's got the skillset.

Good QB play can help the WR's cause and good WRs can help the QB cause. We need good WRs. Get a good WR that is NFL ready. Robinson and Galladay fit the bill. So does the kid from Tampa.

he was basically Galladay.

Talent is talent. From a pure football POV we need talent upgrades at the WR spot, not even necessarily production. We just need an athletic presence on the outside.

Either guy isn't perfect but you aren't getting perfect on the open market or at least you're not getting a perfect under 28 year old WR that's for sure.

Doesn't need to be perfect. Doesn't need to "live up to the contract" nonsense as much as the guy needs to help this team win. Fans love to get all worked up on stats and contract numbers. Just sign a guy that can upgrade the outside and make some plays in the 4th quarter. Over pay if you have to. Sometimes it's a necessary evil.

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then there are good WRs. Then there are average or worse. We have one good one in Shepard and one that is potential but needs attention drawn away from in Slayton. Robinson is very good. Golladay is more about potential less production than Robinson but he's got the skillset. Good QB play can help the WR's cause and good WRs can help the QB cause. We need good WRs. Get a good WR that is NFL ready. Robinson and Galladay fit the bill. So does the kid from Tampa.

And those elite receivers draw defensive attention and allow you to run the football more efficiently. Imagine Barkley (once healthy) not facing stacked fronts all the time. One of the best parts of having Plax was the impact on our running game.

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Galladay makes a ton of sense. He isn't necessarily a house hold name but he's been productive and has proven to be a legit outside threat. I can't see Robinson coming here it just seems too prohibitive on many levels. Does Chicago even let him walk? He's going to cost a fortune and we might be paying him more for what he's done than what he's going to do, even if he's still relatively young.

Not saying Rob is the lesser player, but I just think Galladay makes a lot of sense.

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He is. I just question whether the Bears let him walk and if they did, some other team will blow the Giants out of the water.

but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones.

Seriously, why should he do that?

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but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that?

That's a good point. And when it comes to Golladay I think there was a rumor he turned down a huge deal from Detroit already. So, if we want one of these receivers then it is going to cost a ton. Imo, the money will probably be similar for both Robisnon and Golladay and if that is the case then Robinson is the no-brainer target. As others have pointed out, Golladay is more potential than productions. The tools are there and has some big games and a season or 2 but the injuries are a major concern. I still think Godwin makes a ton of sense.

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but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that?

Nagy vs Judge. And you can also look to what Jones did as a rookie with no one at WR. What does Trubisky do with no Robinson?

Jones is much better than Trubisky IMO.

In comment 15153431 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 15153425 bw in dc said: Quote: but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that? Nagy vs Judge. And you can also look to what Jones did as a rookie with no one at WR. What does Trubisky do with no Robinson? Jones is much better than Trubisky IMO.

UConn, the point isn't Jones vs. Trubisky. The point is that Robinson has had the worst QBs over his career throwing to him so it is Jones vs. every team's QB who makes him an offer.

all things equal i'd take Godwin and not think twice. He's my #1 WR to get, but I don't see it happening. Bucs are going all in one more year with Brady (or more) and Godwin is an integral piece in that offense. Matter of fact, I think both BRown and Godwin are better than Evans.

I was strictly talking bears vs giants.

I think he stays because the Bears will upgrade at QB and would want to keep their WR for that. Franchising him is a definite option if they can’t reach a deal.

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I was strictly talking bears vs giants. I think he stays because the Bears will upgrade at QB and would want to keep their WR for that. Franchising him is a definite option if they can’t reach a deal.

Same for Detroit with Golladay too. It'll be an interesting offseason. TB also wants Godwin back as well.

You basically captured my point...

Let's say it's a reasonable position that Jones is a greener pasture over Trubisky. The problem is there are going to be much greener pastures than Jones. And at this stage of his career, why would Robinson - or even Golloday, Godwin - want to deal with more uncertainty...?

maybe he wants the most guaranteed money. Who knows. Until he comes out and says he wants to go to a contender, and I’d kill him for saying that if I was his agent, it’s really a wait and see game.

I also think big picture players aren’t nearly as concerned with other team situations as the fans of said team. He could look at Barkley, Engram, Shepard and think that he’s the guy that will take them to the next level. Unlikely but possible.

Point being theres 3 big FA WRs and they aren’t all going to contenders in all likelihood.

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In comment 15153442 UConn4523 said: Quote: I was strictly talking bears vs giants. I think he stays because the Bears will upgrade at QB and would want to keep their WR for that. Franchising him is a definite option if they can’t reach a deal. Same for Detroit with Golladay too. It'll be an interesting offseason. TB also wants Godwin back as well.

Just a hunch, but think Godwin will find his way to stay in Tampa. Robinson is going to get big time offers and will leave. Golladay probably uses this as his chance to get out of dysfunctional Detroit with an offer less than what they are probably offering him to stay.

but I think Robinson is a stud. Look at the QB’s throwing to him his entire career - Blake Bortles, Mitch Trubisky and Nick Foles.

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but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that?

Robinson is going where the money is. His problem with Trubisky is that the shitty throws and lack of opportunities were costing ARob the chance at his big pay day.

And he is not a top 10 WR. He's finished top 10 in receptions twice, yards twice and TDs once. I'd easily take these WRs over him:

Adams
Diggs
Ridley
Hopkins
Hill
Metcalf
McLaurin
AJ Brown
Mike Evans
Justin Jefferson
CeeDee Lamb

I'd put Robinson in the next group with:
Lockett
Amari Cooper
Adam Thielen
Godwin
Golladay
Smith-Schuster
Jerry Jeudy

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In comment 15153425 bw in dc said: Quote: but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that? Robinson is going where the money is. His problem with Trubisky is that the shitty throws and lack of opportunities were costing ARob the chance at his big pay day. And he is not a top 10 WR. He's finished top 10 in receptions twice, yards twice and TDs once. I'd easily take these WRs over him: Adams Diggs Ridley Hopkins Hill Metcalf McLaurin AJ Brown Mike Evans Justin Jefferson CeeDee Lamb I'd put Robinson in the next group with: Lockett Amari Cooper Adam Thielen Godwin Golladay Smith-Schuster Jerry Jeudy

No way does Robinson fall behind Lamb, Ridley, AJ Brown, and McLaurin. Stats don’t tell the whole story.

That said...

*The Giants already tipped their hand they like Golladay (unless the trade rumors were false)

*Golladay has a much better chance shaking free from DET than Robinson does CHI. DET is hitting the reset button. It still makes plenty of sense for CHI to retain Robinson.

reminds me of Amani Toomer. Very smooth, can do everything. Makes tough catches look routine.

I don't doubt that money is the likely key driver. But these players are also driven by individual accomplishments (greater production = greater $, pro bowls, maybe HoF consideration, etc) and the chance to one day walk away form the sport with the ultimate team honor - a SB ring.

Let's say Miami throws the same money we throw at Robinson. Where do you go?

One place also has a question mark at QB. But they have a team on the rise, a minority HC and GM, and great weather. And no state tax.

Or NYG?

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about as badly as you can, and by all means go for it. I guess top players never go to non contending teams then if that’s this is the case. Nothing I say will convince you but if that’s your outlook then no one will come here until we start winning again.

IMO WRs want the ball and he just got the 3rd most targets in the league. He’d be fed here too.

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about as badly as you can, and by all means go for it. I guess top players never go to non contending teams then if that’s this is the case. Nothing I say will convince you but if that’s your outlook then no one will come here until we start winning again. IMO WRs want the ball and he just got the 3rd most targets in the league. He’d be fed here too.

I wouldn't characterize my position that way. I'm trying to be as factual/realistic as I can based on the likely conditions of the market.

And I'm not suggesting it can't happen. It's just a very tough sell right now.

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but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that?

Sell? Really? He’s going where the money is..And, MT has had 4 years to show what he is..DJ has had a year and a half..But keep the narrative going..

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In comment 15153425 bw in dc said: Quote: but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that? Sell? Really? He’s going where the money is..And, MT has had 4 years to show what he is..DJ has had a year and a half..But keep the narrative going..

Agreed. Jones is treated like he has played for 8 years or something on this team and has flashed nothing. He hasn’t even played two full seasons and has had some good games. He just needs 1.) Time and 2.) Someone other than just Shepard to throw to.

I’d love to see us go get one of these high end WR’s and for Jones to light it up next year.

honestly its about having a weapon. doesn't have to be the highest paid weapon, or the weapon everyone wanted.

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In comment 15153425 bw in dc said: Quote: but I don't think it's going to be an easy sell to say go from Trubisky to Daniel Jones. Seriously, why should he do that? Sell? Really? He’s going where the money is..And, MT has had 4 years to show what he is..DJ has had a year and a half..But keep the narrative going..

Of course it's a sell. Why does anyone want to catch balls from Jones exactly? Because Kiper says so?

I don't doubt that playing with Trubisky is misery. And I can't say definitively that playing with Jones isn't similar misery. Because right know it's been a lot more poor than good with Jones.

but I'll do it again here. I don't believe either of these guy are leaving as a FA. At worst they will be tagged and traded. The bears will find the money for Robinson and Detroit has it already for Golladay, they just need to decide if they want to keep him or trade him. The Bucs have some big names to sign, but have a lot of cap space, so if they want Godwin they can keep him.

Juju is going somewhere else, Pitt's CAP is in bad shape. (Raider's already rumored to be interested, which makes sense). Corey Davis is also probably going to be available, to big a risk and they have other needs and little CAP. Samuels isn't good enough to be tagged so he'll hit the market, Carolina can sign him if they can agree to a price. Will Fuller is probably going to be available..though I'm not interested for what he'll command.

That's it for the big names. The rest are has been's (Green, Hilton types) or never were (Ross, Laquon Treadwell types).

good but we signed him to a massive deal. The market dictates the salaries it’s all a timing issue. Giants are desperate and should welcome either with open arms.

Yes, i think those two are legit #1 candidates. However, once you remove them and Godwin from the board on Feb. 23rd. The top guys become JuJu, Fuller, Davis, Samuel.

....Then it is more of a beggars can’t be choosers situation.

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This, if I could choose who we dump money on, it's Allen Robinson, and I'm not thinking twice.

if he’s only entertaining leaving for a contender then I guess we are shit out of luck, but I highly doubt he’s limiting his options.

The fact is (and it’s the only one I can see) players usually, not always but usually, go to where the best contract offer lies. If the offers a close then sure, bring on the other factors but it’s all just posturing.

Anyone who doesn't think Robinson is a stud hasn't watched the games. His QBs were Bortles, Trubisky and Foles. Guy is a primo route-runner with great hands.

In comment 15153380 eric2425ny said:

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teams and played admirably, particularly Robinson. I personally prefer Golladay because he reminds me of Plax. He is roughly the same age as Robinson, but less mileage as he graduated when he was 23 and has only played three full seasons worth of games.

Golladay was still playing football before he graduated. Those miles still do take tread off the tires even if they're not on his pro stat sheet.

Give me the guy who has repeatedly shown he can haul in ~100 receptions every season even with a middling QB. TBH, it's not even really close, IMO. Robinson and Godwin (who I like just as much as Robinson) are a significant cut above Golladay for me.

he's historically healthier than golladay and he flat out performs all the time. he's certainly a top WR in the league

golladay i think is more physically gifted than robinson but he hasn't perfected his craft as much as robinson.

Same record, they all came.

Will Fuller...that's my early prediction.

Detroit tags Golladay
Chicago tags Robinson

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Same record, they all came.

Eli Manning? 2X SB winner...