it seem that the loss of Andre Baker and the anticipated loss of Sam Beale as the release of Ballantine makes this an area of critical need. And the fact that either/or Surtain, Caleb Farley or Horn will be there might make that pick as inevitable as its needed and appropriate..
But I wonder...
There's always the chance (even if remote) that Isaac Yiadom or a Chris Williamson will step forward. I even - the broad "anti" sentiments notwithstanding - have hopes for Beal.
They didn't get the full affect of McKinney last year. they have an anticipated much improved 2nd. year Holmes for the slot and maybe more. Peppers and McKinney should be the most talented combo in years. Versatile too, with almost hybrid Linebackers ability.
Then there's still Logan Ryan (who was a corner for most of his career) and Julian Love who, stats notwithstanding, I think is a "football player" - no matter where you place him.
That might be an effective melange made better by a year's experience together and an increased pass rush.
My very tentative conclusion is (based on insufficient knowledge and a faulty intuition, IE, like most of us here LOL), I want the BPA.
I think there's going to be an impact player available and I don't care what position it's at.
I remember 2014 and OBJ, Aaron Donald and Zack Martin...three men who were potential HOf'er's sat there long after Blake Bortles, Sammy Watkins and a few other disappointments were gone. That was with the 12th pick and we're told history has a way of repeating itself.
Of course, there's nothing that says one of those cornerbacks won't be the BPA, but I hope that's the imperative..... BPA all the way...
Wondering if anyone else sees it that way....
Right now we have zero corner depth
So critical no.....but needed Yes.
The Giants defense played top 10-15 ....if we want top 5
They need another corner
Logan Ryan played CB before NYG traded for Yiadom, and he was awful. He’s a good safety, he needs to stay there. We need to upgrade the #2 CB spot BADLY.
Unless the coaching staff believes Love can at least somewhat adequately fill the 2nd corner spot, another corner should be picked within the first 3 Giants picks.
If the top WRs/TE and Edge/LB are gone when the Giants pick, I wouldn't be upset if they draft Surtain or Farley.
Do need to come out of either free agency or day 2 of the draft with another Cornerback though.
Yiadom, Love and the others are backups. While you may not have seen them get lit up last season, they did indeed get targeted and the coaches played variations/schemes that were less aggressive than they wanted to deal with it.
Bolstering the corner position is always a good idea, but we are in a good position having a top five corner in Bradberry who really doesn't need help. So that provides flexibility in the overall coverage schemes.
I've cooled on Surtain, but I could live with Farley if that's the move at #11. The more I watch him the more I think he's the best corner in this draft.
Can't do it all in 1 season...but it looks like we can get the #1WR and #2CB spots in a lot better place this year. Also possibly the edge while confirming the middle of the defense for a few years.
The TE spot looks like it will not be this year more stop-gap material at best. Unless something unforeseen happens. Hopefully the next OL churn gets us a diamond in the rough similar to Gates and/or Peart.
Bolstering the corner position is always a good idea, but we are in a good position having a top five corner in Bradberry who really doesn't need help. So that provides flexibility in the overall coverage schemes.
I've cooled on Surtain, but I could live with Farley if that's the move at #11. The more I watch him the more I think he's the best corner in this draft.
Brad berry is good, but even he can’t cover both sides of the field at the same time. The fact is that we have only one CB we can trust in man coverage, that makes the #2 CB a critical need. Yes, more play makers on offense is too, but we can address both at the same time.
Quote:
is critical.
Bolstering the corner position is always a good idea, but we are in a good position having a top five corner in Bradberry who really doesn't need help. So that provides flexibility in the overall coverage schemes.
I've cooled on Surtain, but I could live with Farley if that's the move at #11. The more I watch him the more I think he's the best corner in this draft.
Brad berry is good, but even he can’t cover both sides of the field at the same time. The fact is that we have only one CB we can trust in man coverage, that makes the #2 CB a critical need. Yes, more play makers on offense is too, but we can address both at the same time.
We averaged 17ppg. To really compete in today's NFL we probably need to be at 26-27ppg.
This year, 9 of the top 10 teams in scoring offense made the playoffs this year. The ranges were 28ppg to 32ppg.
Last year, it was the same - 9 out of top 10 teams in scoring made the playoffs. The ranges were 25ppg to 33ppg.
So we need to find another 9-10 ppg. Getting SB back isn't going to close that gap, and who knows whether he'll be the same player. That's where the resources need to go. And it could become a real quandary if Jones isn't the right guy to create those points. But we have to go all in to see.
But yeah, adding a stud young corner (and remember Bradbury will be 28 next season I think) would certainly be a good thing moving forward.
the GM has to fit the pieces together. No single position in the draft is a "must"
One other point, Bradberry is only with us for 2 more years. It is not too early to start thinking about his replacement.
"Critical" for the 2021 roster? Maybe not. Critical to acquire players with an eye toward 2022-2025? Yes, I think so. But if they only have six picks, there's only so much they can do through the draft. It really would be a good year to trade down in the 2nd and/or 3rd to get some extra picks.
DG wasn't wrong to stock up on corners, but he got some of the wrong guys. Ryan and Bradberry, good. Holmes, good. Baker, Beal, bad. That left the position thin. Back to the drawing board.
I think they definitely address CB, but I see it happening in the draft than FA.
It really sucks that none of the "B's" worked out. We've spent a ton of draft picks on CBs with almost no results.
I expect the Giants to prioritize corner in a big way.
Ernie Accorsi (who I never agreed much with) said it best - "you never have enough pass rushers"; then the Gettleman Mantra - "Run, stop the run, RUSH the passer"
Logan Ryan played CB before NYG traded for Yiadom, and he was awful. He’s a good safety, he needs to stay there. We need to upgrade the #2 CB spot BADLY.
Ryan was signed out of need at S. Even though he is primarily a CB, he was signed for versatility and and a big hole at S. Could he still play at a high level at CB2 or slot? Again, a very good question. Could we see some combo of Love and Ryan opposite Bradberry? Maybe. But, it is also likely we see neither. That's what makes this off season so crazy and important for us. We have major questions to answer.
Ernie Accorsi (who I never agreed much with) said it best - "you never have enough pass rushers"; then the Gettleman Mantra - "Run, stop the run, RUSH the passer"
But our coaching staff thinks different. Stop the run and cover. Get pressure up the middle and with scheme.
Another cb is crucial to allow Graham to run the defense that he wants. Like Sy said, build an identity. We are one cb away from having a top secondary. Start there, re-sign LW and find another 3 down mlb and this defense becomes a top unit.
Quote:
But critical, no.
Ernie Accorsi (who I never agreed much with) said it best - "you never have enough pass rushers"; then the Gettleman Mantra - "Run, stop the run, RUSH the passer"
But our coaching staff thinks different. Stop the run and cover. Get pressure up the middle and with scheme.
Another cb is crucial to allow Graham to run the defense that he wants. Like Sy said, build an identity. We are one cb away from having a top secondary. Start there, re-sign LW and find another 3 down mlb and this defense becomes a top unit.
Quote:
But critical, no.
Ernie Accorsi (who I never agreed much with) said it best - "you never have enough pass rushers"; then the Gettleman Mantra - "Run, stop the run, RUSH the passer"
But our coaching staff thinks different. Stop the run and cover. Get pressure up the middle and with scheme.
Another cb is crucial to allow Graham to run the defense that he wants. Like Sy said, build an identity. We are one cb away from having a top secondary. Start there, re-sign LW and find another 3 down mlb and this defense becomes a top unit.
You can’t have inside pressure without consistent edge rush. The Cardinals, Browns, and Ravens all embarrassed us when they could block Lawrence, Tomlinson, and Williams and the quarterback could target the open receiver. Playing contain worked as well as a hole in the head.
Quote:
In comment 15154569 Manny in CA said:
Quote:
But critical, no.
Ernie Accorsi (who I never agreed much with) said it best - "you never have enough pass rushers"; then the Gettleman Mantra - "Run, stop the run, RUSH the passer"
But our coaching staff thinks different. Stop the run and cover. Get pressure up the middle and with scheme.
Another cb is crucial to allow Graham to run the defense that he wants. Like Sy said, build an identity. We are one cb away from having a top secondary. Start there, re-sign LW and find another 3 down mlb and this defense becomes a top unit.
You can’t have inside pressure without consistent edge rush. The Cardinals, Browns, and Ravens all embarrassed us when they could block Lawrence, Tomlinson, and Williams and the quarterback could target the open receiver. Playing contain worked as well as a hole in the head.
I guess you missed the part about being able to scheme a rush when you can play man coverage. It's what Judge and Graham learned in NE. Strong up the middle and cover. Watch out scheme from last year and NE's the last decade or so. Half the time the outside guys don't even rush. They get to the same depth as the qb and contain. With the ability to play man you can bring more people on the inside then they could block. But the edge guys need to keep the qb in the pocket.
I'm not suggesting that CB is or is not a need. Just seen the comments about pushing the pocket and coverage meaning that it must be man coverage...it does not have to be man coverage.
Quote:
In comment 15154576 fireitup77 said:
Quote:
In comment 15154569 Manny in CA said:
Quote:
But critical, no.
Ernie Accorsi (who I never agreed much with) said it best - "you never have enough pass rushers"; then the Gettleman Mantra - "Run, stop the run, RUSH the passer"
But our coaching staff thinks different. Stop the run and cover. Get pressure up the middle and with scheme.
Another cb is crucial to allow Graham to run the defense that he wants. Like Sy said, build an identity. We are one cb away from having a top secondary. Start there, re-sign LW and find another 3 down mlb and this defense becomes a top unit.
You can’t have inside pressure without consistent edge rush. The Cardinals, Browns, and Ravens all embarrassed us when they could block Lawrence, Tomlinson, and Williams and the quarterback could target the open receiver. Playing contain worked as well as a hole in the head.
I guess you missed the part about being able to scheme a rush when you can play man coverage. It's what Judge and Graham learned in NE. Strong up the middle and cover. Watch out scheme from last year and NE's the last decade or so. Half the time the outside guys don't even rush. They get to the same depth as the qb and contain. With the ability to play man you can bring more people on the inside then they could block. But the edge guys need to keep the qb in the pocket.
Two things: First, I don’t believe in the concept of the edge guys keeping the quarterback in the pocket. The Giants don’t do well without a strong edge guy backed by an interior lineman or two. We have the latter, let’s get a strong edge. Two, I think we saw the limit to what the defense can do with keeping the quarterback in the pocket with the games like the ones I mentioned where the edge played contain and the quarterback picked us apart.
Maybe the melange will rise to the occasion.
I am not going to call CB a critical need. Ryan and Love can help outside. Holmes very well could be more than just a slot corner. Some of our young DBs like Williams, Hartage, & Harper are guys who could mature and help us. We still have Yiadom and Lewis who might improve.
But, most of all because we do still have Sam Beal and Quincy Wilson on the roster. If the Giants hate Sam Beal so much they probably would've cut him by now, but until they do I will hope that he is ready to compete for the starting RCB spot.
Quincy Wilson is a former 2nd round pick out of Florida. If he is healthy and ready to go he could be our starting RCB. I am hoping that all of these guys are healthy and ready to compete.
But at-the-end-of-the-day, if you give the opposing QB all day to find open receiver(s), it's as easy as spearing fish in a bathtub.
Does anyone really want to repeat the 2020 season with the players opposite Bradberry? Not me, CB at #11 would be a sound investment in TALENT which the Giants badly need (everywhere).