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This franchise will never get over passing on QB Josh Allen

HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:10 pm
In 2018.

Allen was such an obvious pick for the Giants at #2 in 2018. So so obvious. I was screaming for weeks before the 2018 draft that they could not pass on this Future Superstar QB. I've been proven 100% right.

Allen had the same Intangibles as Eli Manning did at Ole Miss (gamer, extreme competitor, carried a terrible team to Wins) all while possessing the most explosive arm talent the NFL had ever seen, and elite athleticism.

He was the perfect heir apparent to Eli, and the Giants passing on JA17 will go down as the worst draft decision in Franchise History. It's something we will never recover from.

Josh Allen is the Gold Jacket guy and was "touched by the hand of God", not the irrelevant Running Back.
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oh...  
Brown_Hornet : 2/16/2021 1:12 pm : link
...good~
You’re right..  
Sean : 2/16/2021 1:12 pm : link
Might as well fold the franchise.
thanks  
UConn4523 : 2/16/2021 1:13 pm : link
I can stop wasting my time on the Giants now, doomed franchise it seems so why bother even trying.
Yes, it will.  
Section331 : 2/16/2021 1:13 pm : link
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Maybe Gettleman just hates the name  
Jimmy Googs : 2/16/2021 1:14 pm : link
Josh Allen...
Feb 2021  
DC Gmen Fan : 2/16/2021 1:14 pm : link
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Danny Kanell : 2/16/2021 1:16 pm : link
What was your handle in 2018?
RE: thanks  
AcidTest : 2/16/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15154303 UConn4523 said:
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I can stop wasting my time on the Giants now, doomed franchise it seems so why bother even trying.


+1.
LMAO  
Straw Hat : 2/16/2021 1:17 pm : link
Insert Allen into our offense last year and he would of done about as well as Jones did. Allen finally played well because they gave him a major weapon.
Wow.....but you are right  
George from PA : 2/16/2021 1:23 pm : link
Everyone was clamoring for Josh Allen in the draft....but it was the DE that went to Jacksonville in the 2019 draft.
sigh  
SirYesSir : 2/16/2021 1:23 pm : link
there were a TON of doubts about Allen. Good for him that he's turned into a nice player, but it's far from true that it was easy to see this is what he'd become.

Small school/lower comp, and inaccurate.

I was totally wrong on him. All his big plays in college came of broken / extended plays - which I did not think he'd be able to pull off against nfl talent.

I definitely wouldn't have taken him, but as I said, good for him and his development.
I noticed  
Professor Falken : 2/16/2021 1:26 pm : link
that Josh Allen wasn't that good until Stefon Diggs came along.
Liked him in the draft  
Lines of Scrimmage : 2/16/2021 1:28 pm : link
but understand the strong reservations. He had a injury history.

Good chance the Pats bounce back and the Jets and Dolphins should both improve.

Bill will paying him big money soon. That is where things can get tough if you don't draft very well.

Really nice start to his career and I hope he continues but nothing is guaranteed.
RE: I noticed  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15154323 Professor Falken said:
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that Josh Allen wasn't that good until Stefon Diggs came along.



Stefon Diggs never made 1 Pro Bowl and never had a 1200 yard season before Josh Allen came along.
funny no one else needed him until the bills picked....  
Platos : 2/16/2021 1:29 pm : link
"Allen was such an obvious pick for the Giants at #2 in 2018"
Come to think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/16/2021 1:30 pm : link
of it, Josh Allen and John Jerry have the same amount of letters in their names!!
Previous handle  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/16/2021 1:31 pm : link
Was...?
RE: LMAO  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15154310 Straw Hat said:
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Insert Allen into our offense last year and he would of done about as well as Jones did. Allen finally played well because they gave him a major weapon.


What are you on right now?

Allen is significantly better than Jones. At pretty much everything.

More accurate, much much stronger arm, better athlete, better pocket presence and feel for the rush, better leader.

Allen would have done far better than Jones, because Allen is a lot better than Jones, and that is a fact.
Never is a long, long time.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/16/2021 1:33 pm : link
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It certainly was a miss...  
bw in dc : 2/16/2021 1:34 pm : link
Allen is a real play-maker for sure. And I think Shurmur and Allen would have been a positive match.

Allen folded like a cheap lawn chair against KC  
giantBCP : 2/16/2021 1:34 pm : link
I’d like to see more of him on a big stage before I go putting him ahead of Jones.
RE: funny no one else needed him until the bills picked....  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15154335 Platos said:
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"Allen was such an obvious pick for the Giants at #2 in 2018"



Arizona Cardinals had Josh Allen as the #1 overall player on their big board.

Bills got wind of that, and traded up from 12 to 7 to leapfrog the Cardinals who were picking 10.
RE: Allen folded like a cheap lawn chair against KC  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15154345 giantBCP said:
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I’d like to see more of him on a big stage before I go putting him ahead of Jones.



Another BS media narrative.

Allen's team was completely overmatched in every way shape or form.

Allen took the 2020 Bills as far as humanly possible. No human could have gotten the 2020 Bills any further than Allen got them.

Allen finished 2nd in MVP voting, singlehandedly beat the Colts in the Wild Card round, and got his team to the Conference Championship where they ran into a superior team from top to bottom.
I hate this revisionist bullshit  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 1:39 pm : link
He was never on the Giants radar and the same can be said for most teams. If not Barkley, just about every account had the giants taking Darnold if they took a QB. Every single one of the top QBs that year had significant issue. And, prior to this year nobody here wanted to touch Allen.

The logic in this thread can be applied any year. Maybe the Giants never got over passing on Brady. They could have won more than 2 SBs that they got from Eli.
RE: RE: LMAO  
Straw Hat : 2/16/2021 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15154340 HonCiv6 said:
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Insert Allen into our offense last year and he would of done about as well as Jones did. Allen finally played well because they gave him a major weapon.



What are you on right now?

Allen is significantly better than Jones. At pretty much everything.

More accurate, much much stronger arm, better athlete, better pocket presence and feel for the rush, better leader.

Allen would have done far better than Jones, because Allen is a lot better than Jones, and that is a fact.


Allen has had one accurate year in his entire life. Guy was completing less than 60% of his passes in high school. Guy has one good season under his belt and he didnt do shit in the postseason. How many offensive touchdown drives did the great josh allen lead in the post season? I think they scored like 3 offensive touchdowns in 3 games and one of the drives started inside the opponents 5 yard line.
RE: Allen folded like a cheap lawn chair against KC  
Greg from LI : 2/16/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15154345 giantBCP said:
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I’d like to see more of him on a big stage before I go putting him ahead of Jones.


I don't care what he's done on a big stage so far, he is miles ahead of Jones at this point. Sorry if reality is unpleasant for you.
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HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15154360 Straw Hat said:
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Insert Allen into our offense last year and he would of done about as well as Jones did. Allen finally played well because they gave him a major weapon.



What are you on right now?

Allen is significantly better than Jones. At pretty much everything.

More accurate, much much stronger arm, better athlete, better pocket presence and feel for the rush, better leader.

Allen would have done far better than Jones, because Allen is a lot better than Jones, and that is a fact.



Allen has had one accurate year in his entire life. Guy was completing less than 60% of his passes in high school. Guy has one good season under his belt and he didnt do shit in the postseason. How many offensive touchdown drives did the great josh allen lead in the post season? I think they scored like 3 offensive touchdowns in 3 games and one of the drives started inside the opponents 5 yard line.



3 offensive TDs vs IND
1 offensive TD vs BAL in 30 mph winds, which was enough to win
2 offensive TDs vs KC

So, that would 6 total Offensive Touchdowns. 6...not 3.


Hey - nice try tho.
HonCiv  
cosmicj : 2/16/2021 1:45 pm : link
is right. And this will be an eternal black mark on Gettleman's career and mark him as a failure as Giants GM. Disastrous decision.
RE: RE: Allen folded like a cheap lawn chair against KC  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15154364 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15154345 giantBCP said:


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I’d like to see more of him on a big stage before I go putting him ahead of Jones.



I don't care what he's done on a big stage so far, he is miles ahead of Jones at this point. Sorry if reality is unpleasant for you.



This.

A lot of posters want to avoid reality.
RE: RE: Allen folded like a cheap lawn chair against KC  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15154364 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15154345 giantBCP said:


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I’d like to see more of him on a big stage before I go putting him ahead of Jones.



I don't care what he's done on a big stage so far, he is miles ahead of Jones at this point. Sorry if reality is unpleasant for you.



This.

A lot of posters want to avoid reality.
who's everyone going to root for now  
UConn4523 : 2/16/2021 1:47 pm : link
that the Giants are going under? I'm thinking I'll be a Colts fan, especially if Luck comes back.
He’s mediocre as a pocket passer  
giantBCP : 2/16/2021 1:47 pm : link
and sees the most of his success on broken plays due to his athleticism. It’s why he failed against KC, and will continue to fail at the highest level in the playoffs.
Registered February 2021  
Trainmaster : 2/16/2021 1:48 pm : link
I support a 4 to 6 week "waiting period" for new or dupe posters.

Well, I'm already partly a Bills fan.  
cosmicj : 2/16/2021 1:48 pm : link
But I'll spend the rest of my fan life rooting for Real Madrid. Winning!
RE: I hate this revisionist bullshit  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15154354 Matt M. said:
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He was never on the Giants radar and the same can be said for most teams. If not Barkley, just about every account had the giants taking Darnold if they took a QB. Every single one of the top QBs that year had significant issue. And, prior to this year nobody here wanted to touch Allen.

The logic in this thread can be applied any year. Maybe the Giants never got over passing on Brady. They could have won more than 2 SBs that they got from Eli.



Absolutely not true.

If the Giants were going QB over Saquon, it was Allen all the way.

Allen over Darnold.

The Giants regime loves big, gamer QBs who elevate the talent around them. They loved Daniel Jones. They loved Justin Herbert. Who has a similar draft profile to those 2, Allen or Darnold? The answer is Allen.
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Straw Hat : 2/16/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15154365 HonCiv6 said:
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3 offensive TDs vs IND
1 offensive TD vs BAL in 30 mph winds, which was enough to win
2 offensive TDs vs KC

So, that would 6 total Offensive Touchdowns. 6...not 3.


Hey - nice try tho.


You’re right. I forgot to add in the wild card game td’s. Doesn’t change the fact he was lowsy against the ravens and chiefs.
RE: RE: I hate this revisionist bullshit  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15154379 HonCiv6 said:
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He was never on the Giants radar and the same can be said for most teams. If not Barkley, just about every account had the giants taking Darnold if they took a QB. Every single one of the top QBs that year had significant issue. And, prior to this year nobody here wanted to touch Allen.

The logic in this thread can be applied any year. Maybe the Giants never got over passing on Brady. They could have won more than 2 SBs that they got from Eli.




Absolutely not true.

If the Giants were going QB over Saquon, it was Allen all the way.

Allen over Darnold.

The Giants regime loves big, gamer QBs who elevate the talent around them. They loved Daniel Jones. They loved Justin Herbert. Who has a similar draft profile to those 2, Allen or Darnold? The answer is Allen.
Based on what? Pretty much every account of the draft going in was Barkley or Darnold. Allen wasn't a blip. If he was, we didn't know about it and likely never will.
RE: He’s mediocre as a pocket passer  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15154373 giantBCP said:
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and sees the most of his success on broken plays due to his athleticism. It’s why he failed against KC, and will continue to fail at the highest level in the playoffs.



Josh Allen had the #1 highest completion% from INSIDE the pocket.

His numbers outside the pocket, actually dragged his overall completion% DOWN.


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fresh take  
djm : 2/16/2021 2:02 pm : link
might as well just move the NYG franchise to Guam. All is lost.

Teams wins titles not QBs.
RE: fresh take  
Go Terps : 2/16/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15154392 djm said:
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might as well just move the NYG franchise to Guam. All is lost.

Teams wins titles not QBs.


Agreed. Too bad for us.
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HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15154381 Straw Hat said:
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3 offensive TDs vs IND
1 offensive TD vs BAL in 30 mph winds, which was enough to win
2 offensive TDs vs KC

So, that would 6 total Offensive Touchdowns. 6...not 3.


Hey - nice try tho.



You’re right. I forgot to add in the wild card game td’s. Doesn’t change the fact he was lowsy against the ravens and chiefs.



Except he wasn't. 0 turnovers in 30 mph winds against Ravens, and the game was essentially over in the 3rd quarter, so he didn't need to be aggressive trying to score from that point on. The QB played a clean, turnover-free game in brutal conditions (30 mph winds)

Allen finished 2nd in MVP voting and deserved to win the MVP. He was the single most valuable player to his team in 2020. More valuable than Rodgers. He led his team to the AFC title game with 0 running game and a mediocre defense. No human could have done better.
HOF  
unemployedgm : 2/16/2021 2:05 pm : link
Barkley will retire as the Giants all time leading rusher, make it to the HOF. Daniel Jones will carry the Giants to their fifth super bowl in the next three years. Mean while you will be thinking about the 8 teams that passed on Pat Mahomes,the QB's picked before Josh Allen, and why didn't trade up to pick 31 to select Lamar Jackson that year.
RE: RE: RE: I hate this revisionist bullshit  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15154382 Matt M. said:
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He was never on the Giants radar and the same can be said for most teams. If not Barkley, just about every account had the giants taking Darnold if they took a QB. Every single one of the top QBs that year had significant issue. And, prior to this year nobody here wanted to touch Allen.

The logic in this thread can be applied any year. Maybe the Giants never got over passing on Brady. They could have won more than 2 SBs that they got from Eli.




Absolutely not true.

If the Giants were going QB over Saquon, it was Allen all the way.

Allen over Darnold.

The Giants regime loves big, gamer QBs who elevate the talent around them. They loved Daniel Jones. They loved Justin Herbert. Who has a similar draft profile to those 2, Allen or Darnold? The answer is Allen.

Based on what? Pretty much every account of the draft going in was Barkley or Darnold. Allen wasn't a blip. If he was, we didn't know about it and likely never will.



No it wasn't. The Giants were never interested in Darnold. They were NEVER taking Darnold. Pat Shurmur's favorite QB in the draft was Allen - this was an actual report.

You are making things up.
RE: HonCiv  
Toth029 : 2/16/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15154366 cosmicj said:
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is right. And this will be an eternal black mark on Gettleman's career and mark him as a failure as Giants GM. Disastrous decision.


Why isn't Darnold issued here? He was the one everybody was clamoring for. Oh, right.
Arguing about Jones is so intoxicating to BBI  
Mike from Ohio : 2/16/2021 2:08 pm : link
that even an obvious troll with an idiotic OP gets this much activity?
The Giants  
pjcas18 : 2/16/2021 2:09 pm : link
will never get over Macho Grande.
RE: I noticed  
allstarjim : 2/16/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15154323 Professor Falken said:
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that Josh Allen wasn't that good until Stefon Diggs came along.


Not really fair. He improved from year 1 to year 2 and improved again year 2 to year 3, as you would like to see with a young QB, especially one coming from a small school that faced lower level comp.
We should have traded the Saquon pick a year ahead of time  
90.Cal : 2/16/2021 2:12 pm : link
But fuck Josh Allen... If only Jerry Reese listened to Ben McAdoo and traded up for Mahomes...
RE: Arguing about Jones is so intoxicating to BBI  
UConn4523 : 2/16/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15154405 Mike from Ohio said:
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that even an obvious troll with an idiotic OP gets this much activity?


Mike, are you thinking Bengals or Browns after the Mara's file for bankruptcy?
This is some low-grade trolling  
allstarjim : 2/16/2021 2:19 pm : link
I guess I could say nice effort? Anyway, Josh Allen was not a clean prospect. He had a lot going for him, as you mentioned his arm talent, body, and mobility, but he was considered a project. And I liked him A LOT. I thought he was the closest thing to John Elway I've ever seen coming out of the draft, who is my ideal QB prototype.

But there were valid concerns about him making the jump from Wyoming to the NFL. FFS he was a 56% passer with a 16-6 TD to INT ratio his final year, a junior entry, and threw for only 1800 yards in 11 games. You never say never on taking a player like that high, but if there is a cleaner prospect, it's very difficult to take a project like that #2 overall.

Finally, I believe when all is said and done there won't be regrets on Barkley like there is now because of the injury problems.

And further, this is Allen's 3rd year, and he's now getting the recognition for being a franchise QB. Daniel Jones has yet to begin his 3rd year. Give him that chance.
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