In 2018.
Allen was such an obvious pick for the Giants at #2 in 2018. So so obvious. I was screaming for weeks before the 2018 draft that they could not pass on this Future Superstar QB. I've been proven 100% right.
Allen had the same Intangibles as Eli Manning did at Ole Miss (gamer, extreme competitor, carried a terrible team to Wins) all while possessing the most explosive arm talent the NFL had ever seen, and elite athleticism.
He was the perfect heir apparent to Eli, and the Giants passing on JA17 will go down as the worst draft decision in Franchise History. It's something we will never recover from.
Josh Allen is the Gold Jacket guy and was "touched by the hand of God", not the irrelevant Running Back.
Haha you win!
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He was never on the Giants radar and the same can be said for most teams. If not Barkley, just about every account had the giants taking Darnold if they took a QB. Every single one of the top QBs that year had significant issue. And, prior to this year nobody here wanted to touch Allen.
The logic in this thread can be applied any year. Maybe the Giants never got over passing on Brady. They could have won more than 2 SBs that they got from Eli.
Absolutely not true.
If the Giants were going QB over Saquon, it was Allen all the way.
Allen over Darnold.
The Giants regime loves big, gamer QBs who elevate the talent around them. They loved Daniel Jones. They loved Justin Herbert. Who has a similar draft profile to those 2, Allen or Darnold? The answer is Allen.
Based on what? Pretty much every account of the draft going in was Barkley or Darnold. Allen wasn't a blip. If he was, we didn't know about it and likely never will.
No it wasn't. The Giants were never interested in Darnold. They were NEVER taking Darnold. Pat Shurmur's favorite QB in the draft was Allen - this was an actual report.
You are making things up.
Did you watch Mahomes in the Super Bowl? In a vacuum, Josh Allen is a better QB than Mahomes. Bigger, stronger, faster, tougher, better arm, better athlete, plays a grittier game when things aren't perfect.
McAdoo said he would have drafted Josh Allen with the #2 pick in 2018. Allen was his #1 QB that year.
We fired McAdoo 1 offseason too early.
If McAdoo doesn't get fired in 2017 - Josh Allen is a Giant as we speak.
Teams wins titles not QBs.
Why did we acquire Tittle??? We should have waited for Josh Allen!!!
Sorry, they shot their wad with Unitas. They'll never be any good ever again.
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that even an obvious troll with an idiotic OP gets this much activity?
Mike, are you thinking Bengals or Browns after the Mara's file for bankruptcy?
I'll probably just go into a time warp and pretend it is 1981. Each Sunday during the season I will just watch the same week's game from then on all the way through 2011. By then there should be some expansion team I can glom onto.
He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
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But fuck Josh Allen... If only Jerry Reese listened to Ben McAdoo and traded up for Mahomes...
Did you watch Mahomes in the Super Bowl? In a vacuum, Josh Allen is a better QB than Mahomes. Bigger, stronger, faster, tougher, better arm, better athlete, plays a grittier game when things aren't perfect.
McAdoo said he would have drafted Josh Allen with the #2 pick in 2018. Allen was his #1 QB that year.
We fired McAdoo 1 offseason too early.
If McAdoo doesn't get fired in 2017 - Josh Allen is a Giant as we speak.
McAdoo also wanted Patrick Mahomes. He was an awful coach who would've ruined both. Who cares what he thinks?
The mocks and fans all saw Darnold. Flash forward three years and it hasn't been so rosey for the one guy they were screeching for - so they go for the 3rd QB selected. Funny how the Rosen chatter is non existent now too when he was yet another one so many were salivating over.
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will never get over Macho Grande.
He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Buddy couldn't handle it. Was buddy one of your crew?
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"Allen was such an obvious pick for the Giants at #2 in 2018"
Arizona Cardinals had Josh Allen as the #1 overall player on their big board.
Bills got wind of that, and traded up from 12 to 7 to leapfrog the Cardinals who were picking 10.
AZ wasn't picking 10th when Bills traded up... Oooppsss they were already picking ahead of AZ who had the 15th pick... Guess you just make stuff up though. No one had Josh Allen as the #1 QB. They had Sam Darnold and Brad Mayfield. People who are made we took Barkley... you really want Darnold over Barkley? I would of hated to have Darnold here and that would have been the pick not Josh Allen who was a super boom or bust. He boomed good for the Bills.
Or were you too busy at that time preparing for middle school graduation?
Another BS media narrative.
Allen's team was completely overmatched in every way shape or form.
ahhh yes.. but the Giants weren't right? Which teams did we play this year where we weren't overmatched vs the opponent?
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will never get over Macho Grande.
He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Buddy couldn't handle it. Was buddy one of your crew?
Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Like you and the rest of the crew would have loved them passing over QB in the 2019 Draft.
Haskins! Funny that isn't talked about either. Those revisionist folk. They're a teensy one sided here.
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will never get over Macho Grande.
He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Buddy couldn't handle it. Was buddy one of your crew?
Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Andy went to piece?
He's had two cracks at it thus far and the dividend isn't great.
He's had two cracks at it thus far and the dividend isn't great.
Because of that, there’s really no point in discussing this.
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the mistake of the Allen miss.
He's had two cracks at it thus far and the dividend isn't great.
I wouldn't call not taking Allen a mistake or a miss. It simply was not happening. Jones only has to either back up his pick...unless you were referring to the defensive Josh Allen
Lets also not forget that the Bills traded up as high as they could to take ANY QB. Not necessarily Allen. Jets traded ahead of Buffalo to get to 3 to get whomever was leftover in that draft. If the Giants take Darnold,the Jets prob take Allen and then the Bills take Rosen. There really was no smoke about which QB the Bills wanted.
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the mistake of the Allen miss.
He's had two cracks at it thus far and the dividend isn't great.
I wouldn't call not taking Allen a mistake or a miss. It simply was not happening. Jones only has to either back up his pick...unless you were referring to the defensive Josh Allen
We've been through this about a thousand times, but it's a miss by virtue of the position - QB v RB.
The Giants gambled on the safety of traditional football over modern football.
So far that gamble hasn't paid off...
THIS! Not to mention that he played like shit in the playoffs.
The year before; I recall that McAdoo begged the Giants brass for him.
Instead, Andy Reid leap-frogged everybody and snatched from Texas Tech.
The year before; I recall that McAdoo begged the Giants brass for him.
Instead, Andy Reid leap-frogged everybody and snatched from Texas Tech.
Per JonC, McAdoo was pushing very hard. And if you look at the deal the Chiefs packaged, we could have EASILY matched that. No problem, especially since we had a higher first to offer.
Chiefs were playing chess...
Very few QB's have ever overcome the flaw of inaccuracy and the issue had dogged Allen from high school. Everyone recognized the potential and, at the same time, the high risk.
It worked out, but as late as last year he was the most inaccurate passer in the league in throws past twenty yards.
Yep. That guy used to make up stats too. Said something like Jerry had the most pancake blocks and didn't give up any sacks, despite any stat view showing otherwise.
This fucking troll is making up shit about Allen being the Giants target in the draft when all accounts had us taking Darnold or Chubb.
At least with allen there is a way to frame him as a good player. That was impossible with John Jerry.
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will never get over Macho Grande.
He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Buddy couldn't handle it. Was buddy one of your crew?
Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Andy went to piece?
No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
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sound like the John Jerry troll.
Yep. That guy used to make up stats too. Said something like Jerry had the most pancake blocks and didn't give up any sacks, despite any stat view showing otherwise.
This fucking troll is making up shit about Allen being the Giants target in the draft when all accounts had us taking Darnold or Chubb.
At least with allen there is a way to frame him as a good player. That was impossible with John Jerry.
But, if they had to pick a QB and their thoughts reflected those of BBI's (which obviously is as far a stretch as there ever cold be), pretty much all of the discussion would center on Darnold/Rosen with Allen and even Jackson being a minor afterthought.
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will never get over Macho Grande.
He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Buddy couldn't handle it. Was buddy one of your crew?
Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Andy went to piece?
No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
Howie came unglued?
He's had two cracks at it thus far and the dividend isn't great.
Do you even casually examine your arguments before making incredibly uninformed, superlative statements? Jones has "had 2 cracks at it thus far and the dividend isn't great"... Here you blowhard in dc:
Allen season 1 in 11 starts: 53% comp, 10 TDs, 2074 yards, 12 INTs, 8 fumbled, 69.7 rating, 49.8 QBR, 89 rushes for 631 yards and 8 TDs
Jones season 1 on 12 starts: 62% compl, 24 TDs, 3027 yards, 12 INTs, 18 fumbles, 87.7 rating, 55.7 rating, 45 rushes 279 yards and 2 TDs
Allen season 2 in 16 starts: 59% comp, 20 TDs, 3089 yards, 9 INTs, ....
You know what,Im not going to waste the time with you any more. You are truly exhausting and nauseating to deal with here.
Go look at both players on Pro Football Reference for a change and you will see their 1st 2 seasons were very similar excpet that Allen was a much better rusher and Jones was a more efficient passer.
To claim that Jones "had 2 cracks at it thus far and the dividend isn't great" while lauding Allen after a monster 3rd season and not taking into account the difference in player personnel is so cheesey and so you. Jesus Christ.
Only other option discussed at that late juncture was if Barkley was gone and a trade down offer blew Gettleman out of the water. Dave Gettleman made light of the offers he received at first but then later admitted he got at least one very reasonable offer to trade down.
It was never going to be a QB.
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sound like the John Jerry troll.
Yep. That guy used to make up stats too. Said something like Jerry had the most pancake blocks and didn't give up any sacks, despite any stat view showing otherwise.
This fucking troll is making up shit about Allen being the Giants target in the draft when all accounts had us taking Darnold or Chubb.
At least with allen there is a way to frame him as a good player. That was impossible with John Jerry.
Dont forget about the tree trunk legs....
Look at the registration date.
But Jinth Thentral in dthee loves him.