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Two Quotes of Note from the Article:
""So far away from [the playoff teams] right now, it's not even close," a league source with knowledge of the Giants' roster recently told ESPN."
"Jones is their guy, multiple team and league sources reiterated to ESPN over the past few weeks. And while the organization's brass, from the top down, believes Jones has what it takes to be a successful upper-echelon quarterback, they are knowingly taking this leap of faith with their fingers crossed after inconsistent results during his first two professional seasons."
After coming close to making the playoffs this past season, many Giants fans have been given the false sense that the team is close to contending. Lets face the facts, if the Cowboys or Eagles had met their expectations for this season and been winning teams, we would have been talking about a last place football team that was nowhere near contention. They had a nice feel good winning streak in the second half, but this team is still nowhere close. Here is where the team stands as of now:
Quarterback: I feel good about Jones but we certainly haven't had the necessary results so far. Regardless of whether you think Jones is a franchise quarterback he is the only option the team has going into next season. According to Mel Kiper, there aren't any quarterbacks in this draft that are better than Jones and signing a veteran would limit their ability to keep other key pieces in place. They have to ride it out with Jones in 2021, anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fantasy world.
Runningback: Great RB who can't stay healthy. Gallman is decent.
Recievers: One of the worst receiving crews in the league. They couldn't get seperation and didn't do much after the catch.
Tight End: Evan Engram. Nothing more needs be said.
Offensive Line: Last season Jones was pressured on 30.3% of dropbacks, the fourth most in the NFL. Thomas played terribly for much of the season but improved as the year went on. He was also playing hurt. He did, however, give up the most sacks by any tackle in the NFL. It is not a given he will develop into a solid starter as many people assume, look at previous drafts of high pick offensive linemen, probably about half of them fail. Personally, I am hopefull for Thomas and think he will improve. Gates was pretty decent as the year went on. He could be a piece for the future, although I think he should of stayed at tackle. Peart is a developmental piece, hopefully he could pan out. Lemieux was abysmal. A fifth round pick gaurd who had looked absolutely awful as a rookie dosen't project well for the future. Hernandez looks to have stalled out after a good rookie year. Overall, this is a bottom five unit that dosen't have a single certain piece for the future on it. Hopefully these guys pan out but the idea that these guys will suddenly all develop into pro bowlers isin't "optimistic", it is delusional.
D-Line: Great unit, hopefully Williams and Tomlinson stay.
Linebackers: Blake Martinez was great but they have no edge rushers.
Secondary: I think this is a damn good unit. Bradberry was great and I thought Ryan was excellent as well. Peppers has been solid for a while and I think McKinney will develop well.
Looking over this roster, it is clear that Gettleman has failed during his three years as GM. He has not brought this roster any closer to contention than the day that he got the job. Gettleman should have been held accountable, this roster is a disaster. Gettleman's "Hog Mollies" look more like the "Hog Follies". They should have brought in a GM that had closer ties to Judge, revamped their scouting department, and embraced analytics to a greater extent. The issue of medeling by Mara seems to play a role as well but from the outside it is not clear how much he meddles. I hope this team turns it around, but don't be disappointed when they go 6-10 again next season.
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Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
If not the Jets....then
Please jump on Buffalo Bills bandwagon.
Thanks...byebye
Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
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I get the Raanan hate here, but he's predicted the giants are far away from competing since being the espn beat and hes gotten shit for it.
And 6-10 while playing a laughably weak divisional schedule.
Are those your assessments?
I get the Raanan hate here, but he's predicted the giants are far away from competing since being the espn beat and hes gotten shit for it.
Exactly.
1. Beat writer says the Giants aren't good.
2. "(Beat writer) sucks! He doesn't know what he's talking about!"
3. Giants aren't good.
4. "(Beat writer) sucks! He doesn't know what he's talking about!"
Um...
Are those your assessments?
Yes, there are only stuff from the article is in quotation marks. The stuff underneath is what I wrote.
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that a team that has 1 winning season in the last 8 may not be close to be a super bowl contender.
I get the Raanan hate here, but he's predicted the giants are far away from competing since being the espn beat and hes gotten shit for it.
Exactly.
1. Beat writer says the Giants aren't good.
2. "(Beat writer) sucks! He doesn't know what he's talking about!"
3. Giants aren't good.
4. "(Beat writer) sucks! He doesn't know what he's talking about!"
Um...
Completely agree. Caveat here is I truly believe he doesn't have great insight/twitter/writing ability. But when he's been saying the giants aren't close the past few years every August i've seen some unreasonable reactions.
The OL take is the poster's opinion, not Ranaan's. Ranaan's article is just the two quotes at the top from the unnamed league source, which are equally as useless.
Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
Really, I did a double take when I read "Gates should OF stayed at tackle". Did a professional writer really write that?
If Jones plays much better, the energy and optimism around the team will be much better.
If not, then it’s another rebuild on the horizon.
That’s what it boils down to.
Nobody thinks that because they were 6-10 last year and close to squeaking in that they can go 7-9 and contend in 2021. Some of us do think that this coach and his staff are the right guys for a fast turnaround. That does depend, though, on a good draft and improvement by Jones and the OL. Also a strong return by Barkley.
With Barkley, two new WRs and better line play, this could be a very different team in 2021. Without that, more of the same.
The OL take is the poster's opinion, not Ranaan's. Ranaan's article is just the two quotes at the top from the unnamed league source, which are equally as useless.
After reading Raanan's article, I can see that the OP added his own thoughts. So my apologies to Raanan for calling him out on a grammar faux pas.
That said, it is hard to argue with him. John Mara wants to crow about a 5-3 finish, but only 1 of those wins came against a team with a winning record, and the 3 losses were decisive losses to playoff teams (except AZ).
I think they can close the gap this offseason, but NYG shouldn't get too confident due to beating some shitty teams.
I really liked "with knowledge of the Giants roster", as if looking up their roster made you some kind of expert.
That is not to say I did not see some areas to be optimistic about for next year. I do think we have an improved coaching staff from HC down. I also think this D overall gave us reason to have hope. But, they are more than a couple of players away from being a really good D. Right now, they are average. Their OL went from completely shitty to OK. There is still a ton of room for improvement.
But, overall outside of about a handful of players (literally), who do we have on our roster to be very excited about? Do I think this team will be better next year? Yes, but highly dependent on a strong off season. But, until they beat a few teams outside our division and/or with winning records, this is still a bad team looking in from the outside.
Janitors work for the league by the way. Not that we should even care. OK fine, the brightest and smartest football guy said the Giants suck. And that means what exactly? Some of the brightest and smartest NFL people ever loved Ryan Leaf. Some more loved the 2011 Eagles. Even more loved the 2009 NY Giants.
Means nothing.
Can't the offense revert to a mean too? OR is that not allowed here. Why will the D get worse? Did the D make a living off unsustainable plays that we should know about? Did they force an insane amount of turnovers? Did they NOT suffer any injuries?
The answers to all those questions are NOPE.
Did the D have a new coordinator and HC last year? Did the D suffer a pretty high number of injuries or at least suffer some injuries to one specific area of the team? Did the D play one of the hardest NFL schedules? Did the D suffer from a very very bad offense?
The answers to each are yes.
Where are you getting this defense getting worse thing from? Why can't the O get better if the D is automatically going to get worse for no apparent reason other than abject negatvity?
That is not to say I did not see some areas to be optimistic about for next year. I do think we have an improved coaching staff from HC down. I also think this D overall gave us reason to have hope. But, they are more than a couple of players away from being a really good D. Right now, they are average. Their OL went from completely shitty to OK. There is still a ton of room for improvement.
But, overall outside of about a handful of players (literally), who do we have on our roster to be very excited about? Do I think this team will be better next year? Yes, but highly dependent on a strong off season. But, until they beat a few teams outside our division and/or with winning records, this is still a bad team looking in from the outside.
Its not that its offbase, its just repetitive and he doesn't actually add anything we didn't know, including whatever insider info his source gave him.
I also don't fully agree with it anyway. We aren't close to the Chiefs or Bucs, but we aren't far away from those teams that squeaked in. The Bears and WFT made the playoffs - we are right there with both.
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opinion, obviously. What's a "league source" mean anyway?
I really liked "with knowledge of the Giants roster", as if looking up their roster made you some kind of expert.
+1
Arent close to the playoffs, despite barely missing the playoffs.
Suck because they lack an ER, even though they were T-12 without said ER.
Suck more than Dallas because Dallas... fell short of expectations or something?
If you match up favorably with everybody in the division and then finished one game out of first, the team must be said to be at least "close to the playoffs." Would they have printed this shit about the QB-less Washington Football Team?
Don't care about these predictions.
Maybe the off-season can play out before people start predicting 2021.
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In any other year, this team would not have sniffed the playoffs. They struggled through a terrible division to 6-10. That is not a good team by any metrics, except by some here. It was on par with the last few seasons.
That is not to say I did not see some areas to be optimistic about for next year. I do think we have an improved coaching staff from HC down. I also think this D overall gave us reason to have hope. But, they are more than a couple of players away from being a really good D. Right now, they are average. Their OL went from completely shitty to OK. There is still a ton of room for improvement.
But, overall outside of about a handful of players (literally), who do we have on our roster to be very excited about? Do I think this team will be better next year? Yes, but highly dependent on a strong off season. But, until they beat a few teams outside our division and/or with winning records, this is still a bad team looking in from the outside.
Its not that its offbase, its just repetitive and he doesn't actually add anything we didn't know, including whatever insider info his source gave him.
I also don't fully agree with it anyway. We aren't close to the Chiefs or Bucs, but we aren't far away from those teams that squeaked in. The Bears and WFT made the playoffs - we are right there with both.
I agree with you overall, though. They should not, at this time, be considered contenders by ANYONE. However, they are probably closer to squeeking in to the playoffs than the bottom of the barrel, but not by a ton.
Are there people who disagree with that and think the team is a solid draft and few FA signings away from being a team to beat in the NFC?
What did the league source say about the Jets? Are they a contender?
Our defensive talent is actually pretty good IMO. If we added a decent edge, it can be well above average (in addition to already performing above average in 2020). The offense will be responsible for the biggest swing and we'll see what happens in FA and the draft.
I just don't buy that we are that far off from the playoffs, not when 9 wins can get you in on any given year.
This offseason will tell a lot in what the Giants long term plan is. I hope they focus on identity, what Sy detailed a few weeks ago. Build an identity and then continue to strengthen that identity. That will ensure a pipeline and is more sustainable.
My fear is, the Giants think they are WR + TE away from winning the division. It doesn’t work that way.
Maybe the Giants should give them something positive to write I'd be more worried about the fact that the Giants haven't given anybody a reason to write something positive for many years.
The QB was pressured throughout the year, the tackle gave up the most sacks of any in the league. these are facts, not opinion.
The WRs don;t get separation. They are the worst in the league. Does anyone disagree with that? If you do, who has a worse WR corps? maybe one or two teams?
Evan is Evans.
The RB is great when healthy. I agree and he needs to stay healthy.
If we do not improve in there areas, Jones isn't either. how can he?
As a fan, I think just adding a big time WR and solid ER makes us a playoff team because I expect the OL and Jones to play better in 2021.
There's also forced negativity,and the regular kind.Some can't tell the difference.
If Jones plays much better, the energy and optimism around the team will be much better.
If not, then it’s another rebuild on the horizon.
That’s what it boils down to.
You are right and horribly wrong at the same time. Jones has to play better with better play from those around him. I don't give a shit who the QB is, throwing to Slayton (sucked ass this year and may have played over his head the year before), Tate (Howard Cross looked quicker), Shephard (when he is actually on the field), EE (who should play volleyball the way he sets folks up- on the defense) and the rest is going to kill your stats and the appearance of your play. Our receiving corps makes pedestrian an enviable description.
Jones needs to play better as long as there is better play around him. Anything else is meaningless because QB's cannot win games throwing to nobody!
Every year there are cries that results in make some sweeping change in the staff to feel better about the Giants.
Every year there are cries that results in make some sweeping change in the staff to feel better about the Giants.
Yeah, only 9 years and counting. More patience, please!
Idiot.
They did prior to 01,03 09, and 2017
The league changes year to year, rosters change, players improve and regress, unknown guys breakout, guys get hurt.
Last time we raised the Lombardi we were sitting at 7-7, the definition of mediocre. No one was saying “yeah, SB team right here.”
If Jones improves and we get some breaks and help in the personnel, we could easily go 9-7 and sneak in. Or, we could have another 3-13 year. No one knows right now.
The "league source" isn't saying anything that hasn't been discussed on this site.