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Two Quotes of Note from the Article:
""So far away from [the playoff teams] right now, it's not even close," a league source with knowledge of the Giants' roster recently told ESPN."
"Jones is their guy, multiple team and league sources reiterated to ESPN over the past few weeks. And while the organization's brass, from the top down, believes Jones has what it takes to be a successful upper-echelon quarterback, they are knowingly taking this leap of faith with their fingers crossed after inconsistent results during his first two professional seasons."
After coming close to making the playoffs this past season, many Giants fans have been given the false sense that the team is close to contending. Lets face the facts, if the Cowboys or Eagles had met their expectations for this season and been winning teams, we would have been talking about a last place football team that was nowhere near contention. They had a nice feel good winning streak in the second half, but this team is still nowhere close. Here is where the team stands as of now:
Quarterback: I feel good about Jones but we certainly haven't had the necessary results so far. Regardless of whether you think Jones is a franchise quarterback he is the only option the team has going into next season. According to Mel Kiper, there aren't any quarterbacks in this draft that are better than Jones and signing a veteran would limit their ability to keep other key pieces in place. They have to ride it out with Jones in 2021, anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fantasy world.
Runningback: Great RB who can't stay healthy. Gallman is decent.
Recievers: One of the worst receiving crews in the league. They couldn't get seperation and didn't do much after the catch.
Tight End: Evan Engram. Nothing more needs be said.
Offensive Line: Last season Jones was pressured on 30.3% of dropbacks, the fourth most in the NFL. Thomas played terribly for much of the season but improved as the year went on. He was also playing hurt. He did, however, give up the most sacks by any tackle in the NFL. It is not a given he will develop into a solid starter as many people assume, look at previous drafts of high pick offensive linemen, probably about half of them fail. Personally, I am hopefull for Thomas and think he will improve. Gates was pretty decent as the year went on. He could be a piece for the future, although I think he should of stayed at tackle. Peart is a developmental piece, hopefully he could pan out. Lemieux was abysmal. A fifth round pick gaurd who had looked absolutely awful as a rookie dosen't project well for the future. Hernandez looks to have stalled out after a good rookie year. Overall, this is a bottom five unit that dosen't have a single certain piece for the future on it. Hopefully these guys pan out but the idea that these guys will suddenly all develop into pro bowlers isin't "optimistic", it is delusional.
D-Line: Great unit, hopefully Williams and Tomlinson stay.
Linebackers: Blake Martinez was great but they have no edge rushers.
Secondary: I think this is a damn good unit. Bradberry was great and I thought Ryan was excellent as well. Peppers has been solid for a while and I think McKinney will develop well.
Looking over this roster, it is clear that Gettleman has failed during his three years as GM. He has not brought this roster any closer to contention than the day that he got the job. Gettleman should have been held accountable, this roster is a disaster. Gettleman's "Hog Mollies" look more like the "Hog Follies". They should have brought in a GM that had closer ties to Judge, revamped their scouting department, and embraced analytics to a greater extent. The issue of medeling by Mara seems to play a role as well but from the outside it is not clear how much he meddles. I hope this team turns it around, but don't be disappointed when they go 6-10 again next season.
Far from Super Bowl ready, New York Giants continue quest to rebuild - (
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Because the Giants have a clown GM
That wouldn’t make for a good article! Jordan is a crappy writer and a horrible football mind. I remember listening to him years ago on the Michael Kay show it’s as if he’s never seen a football game before.
JFC. Again, the bar might as well be below the ground.
Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
I agree .... "he should OF stayed at tackle"? Really? I certainly would not criticize a poster on that poor grammar, but a professional writer? And don't they have proof readers where he works?
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While I agree with alot of it, there are dozens of posters here on BBI that could put together a better written article than this POS collection or words.
Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
I agree .... "he should OF stayed at tackle"? Really? I certainly would not criticize a poster on that poor grammar, but a professional writer? And don't they have proof readers where he works?
Ah, my bad. Now I see that it wasn't the "professional writer" who wrote that.
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While I agree with alot of it, there are dozens of posters here on BBI that could put together a better written article than this POS collection or words.
Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
I agree .... "he should OF stayed at tackle"? Really? I certainly would not criticize a poster on that poor grammar, but a professional writer? And don't they have proof readers where he works?
Ah, my bad. Now I see that it wasn't the "professional writer" who wrote that.
Second of all, whoever Raanan is referring to is hardly a "source". This isn't some kind of inside info. It's an opinion. If it's a GM or coach, one might consider them a good evaluator, and put more weight on their opinion than on some others, but the framing by Raanan is pretty silly. Someone with knowledge of the Giants' roster? Holy crap, where'd he find someone with such super secret info? He spoke to someone who's bearish on the Giants. Great. This person may be right, or may be wrong, but certainly isn't a source for anything, and for him to dress this up as more than it is is pretty poor writing.
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While I agree with alot of it, there are dozens of posters here on BBI that could put together a better written article than this POS collection or words.
Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
I agree .... "he should OF stayed at tackle"? Really? I certainly would not criticize a poster on that poor grammar, but a professional writer? And don't they have proof readers where he works?
Ah, my bad. Now I see that it wasn't the "professional writer" who wrote that.
I'm shocked so many regular people now write "should of". But, a professional writer?
He didn't... He only wrote the top two quotes and the poster put his opinion in there. This thread should be deleted as it comes across as Raanan wrote all the crap after which he didn't.
Dave has a lot of work to do this offseason (again) and not enough resources to address them all (once again). Seems like I’ve been saying that (I have) for years with this fucking guy. Hopefully this time next year we’re speculating with the new GM (not Abrams) can accomplish with FA and another likely top 10-12 pick...
Every year there are cries that results in make some sweeping change in the staff to feel better about the Giants.
That's it...its our fault.
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While I agree with alot of it, there are dozens of posters here on BBI that could put together a better written article than this POS collection or words.
Jordan really is a poor writer. This is pathetic.
I agree .... "he should OF stayed at tackle"? Really? I certainly would not criticize a poster on that poor grammar, but a professional writer? And don't they have proof readers where he works?
Ah, my bad. Now I see that it wasn't the "professional writer" who wrote that.
I'm shocked so many regular people now write "should of". But, a professional writer?
He didn't... He only wrote the top two quotes and the poster put his opinion in there. This thread should be deleted as it comes across as Raanan wrote all the crap after which he didn't.
Is that a beat writer? A blogger? Ex-player? Someone from the staff? Equip. Manager? Marc Columbo? Front Office person?
"How much better they played" - you mean when they were losing three of their last four, none of which was particularly close?
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how much better we played the second half and how many of our games were so close and stupid mistakes cost us games... Forget all that... Philly doesn't tank the last game and we were in the playoffs... Oooppsss.
"How much better they played" - you mean when they were losing three of their last four, none of which was particularly close?
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how much better we played the second half and how many of our games were so close and stupid mistakes cost us games... Forget all that... Philly doesn't tank the last game and we were in the playoffs... Oooppsss.
"How much better they played" - you mean when they were losing three of their last four, none of which was particularly close?
You mean when our starting QB went down? Come on man we can do this all day. I will say our biggest problem came against running QBs. We really struggle there.
Titans GM Jon Robinson said OT Isaiah Wilson is "going to have to make a decision on if he wants to do things the way we want it done."
Robinson said the team has "tried to exhaust a lot of resources" into helping Wilson, who is on the reserve/non-football illness list for "personal issues that will take some time for him to work through." No specifics have surfaced about what has kept Wilson completely away from the team since being placed on the NFI list. They haven't spoken since early December. Wilson, the No. 29 overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, also had a DUI and landed on the COVID-19 list during his rookie season. Hopefully he is able to get the help he needs.
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how much better we played the second half and how many of our games were so close and stupid mistakes cost us games... Forget all that... Philly doesn't tank the last game and we were in the playoffs... Oooppsss.
"How much better they played" - you mean when they were losing three of their last four, none of which was particularly close?
You mean when our starting QB went down? Come on man we can do this all day. I will say our biggest problem came against running QBs. We really struggle there.
As a fan, I think just adding a big time WR and solid ER makes us a playoff team because I expect the OL and Jones to play better in 2021.
Agree on Judge. I’m excited about him because he seems to believe in a specific philosophy in team building. That was a big part of his intro presser. Stick with the process and everything should take care of itself.
Dave has a lot of work to do this offseason (again) and not enough resources to address them all (once again). Seems like I’ve been saying that (I have) for years with this fucking guy. Hopefully this time next year we’re speculating with the new GM (not Abrams) can accomplish with FA and another likely top 10-12 pick...
I hope this time next year we are picking in the 20's. Why would a so called giants fan be rooting for another failed season?
What Gettleman really failed at was the offensive line. #1 thing for me. The defense is far better now than it was two years ago.
The offense, however, is shameful. The worst WR/TE crew in the NFL. Barkley who is now developing a record as injury prone. Jones not working through progressions because he's getting killed.
The offense is offensive. With a healthy Barkley and an injection of receiving talent, we could certainly improve and get 7-8 wins.
Not close to playoffs? I disagree unless you're telling me it takes 10 wins to get there. In which case, fair enough.
What Gettleman really failed at was the offensive line. #1 thing for me. The defense is far better now than it was two years ago.
The offense, however, is shameful. The worst WR/TE crew in the NFL. Barkley who is now developing a record as injury prone. Jones not working through progressions because he's getting killed.
The offense is offensive. With a healthy Barkley and an injection of receiving talent, we could certainly improve and get 7-8 wins.
Not close to playoffs? I disagree unless you're telling me it takes 10 wins to get there. In which case, fair enough.
OL - are we adding any starters or is it Thomas, Lemieux/Hernandez, Gates, Hernandez/Lemiex, Peart? Will we have depth?
RB - Is Barkley healthy?
WR - Can we get a #1?
TE - Can we get a real one?
That's a lot on offense. And if all those questions are answered in a positive way, Jones MUST translate it to success.
DL - re-signing Williams? Tomlinson? Both?
CB depth
LB/outside pass rush
Return game
That's a whole lot, plus asking for normal progression from players, guys like Williams (assuming he is re-signed) repeating a career year, etc.
In other words, it’s Mara’s fault, but we don’t know what’s really going on internally so we can’t provide any evidence to back that up. But we somehow know it’s Mara’s fault?
This is what passes for analysis by many idiots these days
He isn’t wrong, it’s how it’s present and whom it’s by that’s the issue. Someone inside really dug this info up? Haha.
Any BBIer could have written this piece.
RB is very good but fragile and expensive
the WRs suck
the TE made a Pro Bowl despite having stone hands
the OL has plusses and minuses- the net is still a work in progress
the DL was excellent but might be split up and will be expensive
they have no edge- but schemed well to get around that
Linebackers are meh
Secondary has a few players and a few holes
so yeah 1 can see very easily how outsiders see them as very far away from contention.
to prove that wrong--- they need
- jones to prove he is THE guy
- OL to keep improving
-get a WR that a team actually has to scout before the game
- retain DL dominance and improve back 7
I don't think the above are insurmountable--- but they also arent remotely a given
This offseason will tell a lot in what the Giants long term plan is. I hope they focus on identity, what Sy detailed a few weeks ago. Build an identity and then continue to strengthen that identity. That will ensure a pipeline and is more sustainable.
My fear is, the Giants think they are WR + TE away from winning the division. It doesn’t work that way.
If Gettleman is all about the hog mollies as he claims, this offseason will tell the tale.
When other teams think about what’s good about the Giants , they center on DLine . And that might soon be altered negatively . Agree with the secondary . I think Love can be an effective starting corner .
The comments on Jones, though fair , are perhaps a little too negative . I think Jones will turn out to be their guy . And then I will ease up on Gettleman . But I still think he should have been let go. And the former ways still have this team by the balls .
And know why? Because just like the empty chair opined , Mara is in this thing thick . He has been since ‘11 , when he decided he wasn’t getting enough credit for their success . And until that changes , they are not getting better . Gettleman has the mallet out . He’s playing wack a mole with the roster .
Also, what is the worth of a roster analysis prior to Free Agency and the Draft, other than planning for new player acquisition? Of course they were not close...he's giving his analysis of a 6-10 team.
QB Brady > Jones
RB Barkley (if healthy) > Fournette/Jones
WR1 Evans > Shepard
WR2 Godwin > Slayton
TE Gronk/Brate > Engram/Smith
LT Thomas> Smith
LG Marpet > Hernandez/Lemieux
C Jensen > Gates
RG Zeitler > TB's rotation
RT Wirfs > Fleming/Peart
EDGE Barrett > Carter
EDGE JPP > Fackrell
DL Williams > Suh
NT Tomlinson = Vea (both good, it's a wash)
DL Lawrence > Golston
LB1 White > Martinez
LB2 David > Crowder
CB1 Bradberry > Davis
CB2 Murphy Bunting > Yiadom
FS Winfeld > Ryan (slightly)
SS Peppers > Whitehead
Giants only have the edge in 8/21 spots, and the edge that TB has at QB, WR, EDGE, LB2, and RT is far more significant than what the Giants have at any position
NT Tomlinson = Vea (both good, it's a wash)
Really not sure about either of these.
I'm available if you need one, as long as you keep me anonymous, of course.
This is the most important observation this offseason.
The line showed some signs of life mid season, but over the last quarter of the year they couldn’t get it done when it mattered. Pass pro and the ground game weren’t there.
However, on game day. they almost always in the game until the 4th quarter. They would tease you with close games that seemed to get away from them. I always thought they were close, and that they were better than their record.
They were not. Yes they had a decent defense. They had a terrible receivers, a poor offensive line, and were ineffective at QB... Sound familiar?
They were never close close until the 80s came.
Opposing teams often didn't bring their A game. However, when they found the game competitive in the 4th, they usually got their act together and put the Giants away. When you realize that good team will beat you as long as they have focus, then you realize that you are not a good team. Being competitive, playing in close games, is still just a tease. Those things really mean nothing. Its only wen those games regularly start turning into wins.
There may be some signs of improvement, but really the Giants are still wandering in the wilderness of suckitude.
What record did Tampa Bay finish with last ye .....
forget it. These a-holes do not know what they are talking about.