Steve Adams
2:29
I really don't understand the sudden rush to run J.D. Davis out of town after he hit .288/.370/.483 over the past two seasons. It feels like some Mets fans are just miffed that they "only" got Francisco Lindor as their main piece of the offseason and now think the team should make moves just to make them.
If they can get some kind of actual upgrade over Davis, I'm sure they'd be open to it, but I doubt they're banging down all 29 other teams' doors in frantic search of replacing a pretty decent player.
Cardboard Cutout
2:31
Can you explain the Mets' Pillar signing to me? Can't really play CF anymore and seems to fit a similar role to Almora. Also who now starts the season in AAA Almora or Martinez (assuming everyone is healthy of course)?
Steve Adams
2:31
My reaction to it was about the same as yours. I don't think he's an upgrade for them.
Steve Adams
2:36
Yeah, it's tough to see the Cards shelling out a three-year deal for him after Mozeliak's recent comments. Twins would probably give him a soft landing if he decides to settle for one year (Cards could too at that point), but the Mets, Angels and Blue Jays all seem likelier to me at this point.
We're also at the point of the offseason where players will start getting hurt early in camp; with a notable injury on the right contender, a fit we didn't give much consideration to could open up in a hurry.
He’s not an upgrade to what? Nimmo, Smith, or Conforto? Of course not. Nobody is saying that. But he is an upgrade to the a Guillermo Heredia, who along with Almora would be there other backup OF
RE: I don’t get the Pillar is not an upgrade comment
He’s not an upgrade to what? Nimmo, Smith, or Conforto? Of course not. Nobody is saying that. But he is an upgrade to the a Guillermo Heredia, who along with Almora would be there other backup OF
He's saying with Almora already here and Pillar no longer a good CF that he's not a clear upgrade to their bench given what they have. They have Almora/Martinez/McNeil with OF experience as well as Davis. Pillar is a below-average offensive CO so if he's below average in CF now (as the numbers suggest), not much of a value to the team.
as 1B/DH insurance for Smith/Alonso, and if there is no DH, would expect him to be at AAA or off the team. Pillar is a below average hitter for a corner OF? For a starter, or a backup? He is their 4th OF
Is a below average hitter even for a 4th OF for his career. Yes. He’s a very poor offensive player who at one point was an elite level CF. That was the entirety of his value
became a full-time player in 2015, since that time he's 117th in wRC+ among OF's behind Mallex Smith (another guy they already added) and Aaron Altherr (ex-Met)
He’s got some pop. .800 ops last year. The Mets are barren in the minors in the OF. It’s either a guy like this, deal prospects for even worse OFs, or pray you have no OF injuries. I have no issues adding Pillar. If he’s an above average CF and an above average hitter he’s getting paid 3x as much
He’s got some pop. .800 ops last year. The Mets are barren in the minors in the OF. It’s either a guy like this, deal prospects for even worse OFs, or pray you have no OF injuries. I have no issues adding Pillar. If he’s an above average CF and an above average hitter he’s getting paid 3x as much
But he's been a below-average CF since 2017. All due respect but I see a lot of people picking and choosing when to value 2020's "weird" season. I find it hard to believe Kevin Pillar at 32 suddenly became a solid offensive player (0 seasons league average with the bat before 2020) So sure, if he were still an above average CF AND an above average hitter.. he'd be a good starting CF. He's been below average with the glove for 3 seasons and below average with the bat his entire career outside of 2020 (a BABIP 40 points above his career mark)
considering offense and defense is probably McNeil with Guillorme at 2B.
more/better infield depth than OF depth.
Villar has some value if used correctly but if he's going to bury Guillorme, then I think they will live to regret it. He has plus bat to ball skills and a plus glove. He offers zero speed and very little power (despite being a decently hefty guy for the position) but he's the epitome of a player who would land with another team and perform. Is he good enough to be a regular? Who knows? But he's certainly talented enough where he should be given a legitimate chance. He's not a "fun to watch" young player. He's just very solid.
frankly, Guillorme should be the starting 3b (a platoon with Davis) when an SP other than Carrasco/DeGrom/Thor pitch. The guys who pitch to more contact should have him out there over Davis. The flip side, is you need more runs scores when a Lucchesi/Yamamoto type starts over DeGrom, etc.
For a 4th OF'er I like Pillar's offensive profile as a compliment to the 3 starting lefties, doesn't K much, has some pop, steals the occasional base. There aren't too many 4th OF'ers who recently drove in 88 runs with 20 homers. A .286/.320/.464 triple slash for his career vs. lefties is solid.
Obviously the big question is the glove but unlike Villar his defensive metrics are very noisy and it's not all bad. His sprint speed is exactly in line with his better years and he's still stealing bases. The defensive metric that regressed is "outfield jumps", and changing stadiums and playing different positions would seem to be a semi-justifiable reason for that to happen. Cross our fingers he likes Citi.
is a knucklehead who knows how to steal bases and "fake it" at a few spots. He's known to complain about playing time (less than ideal given his likely role here) but he walks at a okay clip and steals bases. He's called "versatile" simply because he can stand at a few positions but he's not a good fielder at any of them. He's not a bad player to have on the roster but if you over-extend him... warts will show.
1 year 2.5 with the Brewers. He's very boring but last 58 starts 104 era+, 4.44 FIP, not terrible for that price (I wasn't interested in him for the Mets)
Athletic piece on Arrieta makes me even happier the Cubs outbid us. They are banking on their defense being better than the Phillies, improving his arm slot and familiarity with the coaches there. If he's excellent for them, kudos.
personally I’m pleased with the depth signings/trades
that The Mets have made. They could still use another reliable reliever and a 4/5 starter. The Mets have plenty of depth, which has been an issue recently. 1B/DH Martinez; OF Pillar/Almora/Smith; IF in addition to Guillorme, they have Villar, Peraza; SP guys like Yamamoto/Lucchesi; Bullpen guys like Barnes/McWilliams.
Everyone can pick apart a player like Pillar’s imperfections. Ideally, the Mets would be drafting and developing depth players, but they haven’t. Hopefully Lee is ready for next year. But they need the bench depth and the organizational depth to fill in in case of injuries.
considering offense and defense is probably McNeil with Guillorme at 2B.
more/better infield depth than OF depth.
Villar has some value if used correctly but if he's going to bury Guillorme, then I think they will live to regret it. He has plus bat to ball skills and a plus glove. He offers zero speed and very little power (despite being a decently hefty guy for the position) but he's the epitome of a player who would land with another team and perform. Is he good enough to be a regular? Who knows? But he's certainly talented enough where he should be given a legitimate chance. He's not a "fun to watch" young player. He's just very solid.
I thought while not young by most definitions, Guillorme was fun to watch in that he was billed as an all glove no bat infielder.
So either he worked his ass off and his bat developed late or his 2020 BABIP (with a very SSS) of .463 created some fools gold (although his later minor league offensive #'s belie that definition too - even developed some pop in Syracuse - I thought he could be a juicing candidate just based on what I'd read).
Either way,I thought he was fun to watch just based on the expectations alone.
And I agree he should get a chance.
I wanted Turner but Im also totally fine with giving
John Flanigan
@jflan816
That is now five Mets on MLB Network’s Top 100 list:
89. Brandon Nimmo
67. Dominic Smith
66. Pete Alonso
35. Jeff McNeil
34. Michael Conforto
deGrom and Lindor still to come.
Maybe the Dodgers have more? Yankees? Padres?
not many teams probably have 8 top 100 players.
Syndergaard maybe would have cracked the list if he was healthy too.
It heavily favors recency bias which is why Carrasco, Stroman, and Syndergaard are all off. But theoretically, with average career seasons, you could see each or any getting back into the 100 mix IMO. This is a real solid club.
and Beane does have a track record of making crazy deals.
Back to Pillar - his highlights from 2019 look pretty good considering the negative metrics. And a bunch of them weren't just acrobatic, he was covering a lot of ground through gaps. I am one of the biggest proponents of defensive metrics generally speaking because I am a big proponent of defense and they are all we have but like most stats they likely aren't infallible. Not saying he's still as good as his best but I think it's possible if not likely he's going to be noticeably better than Nimmo. Kevin Pillar's Incredible 2019 Catches - ( New Window )
I obviously like Chapman, but I'd rather not do that. But I probably would.
I do think though that trade (if it doesn't hurt the major league roster) makes the Mets even with the Dodgers.
an infield of Chapman, Lindor, McNeil and Alonso would be one of the best infields maybe ever. Is that hyperbole?
It's really good and almost definitely best current but not sure how they'd rank all time. Even semi-recently Arod, Cano, Jeter, Texeira was probably still better.
sustainability, trading our best prospects defeats that.
I also appreciate the amount of home grown talent on this team and want to keep that trend.
surprised so many fans feel different.
What if the Mets do all these outlandish moves, blow up payroll, trade all their assets and still lose. Then what ?
I just want to fill the roster with the best depth available. Rich Hill and Brad Hand would almost definitely be Mets if I were GM and they'd cost you 0 prospects. Same with Kike Hernandez (or Marwin) instead of Villar. And they'd still be under the LTT I think.
I don't think this team needs another major move. They certainly don't need to force one and I'm glad they haven't. Just surprised they haven't shopped for some of the higher end role players. But if they get Rosenthal and Walker or Odorizzi I'll feel a lot better.
sustainability, trading our best prospects defeats that.
I also appreciate the amount of home grown talent on this team and want to keep that trend.
surprised so many fans feel different.
What if the Mets do all these outlandish moves, blow up payroll, trade all their assets and still lose. Then what ?
I just want to fill the roster with the best depth available. Rich Hill and Brad Hand would almost definitely be Mets if I were GM and they'd cost you 0 prospects. Same with Kike Hernandez (or Marwin) instead of Villar. And they'd still be under the LTT I think.
I don't think this team needs another major move. They certainly don't need to force one and I'm glad they haven't. Just surprised they haven't shopped for some of the higher end role players. But if they get Rosenthal and Walker or Odorizzi I'll feel a lot better.
I fell you man, and I think Thor will be back sooner then we think, Rosenthal would be my final move but if he wants to close this wont be the place for him.
Just super excited about this season, covid needs to chill so we can get to Citi and really enjoy this new era. What a exciting time to be a NY Mets fan.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's more that comes out from the Wilpon era. I'm always surprised there isn't more outcry about Jeff himself just based on what's publicly known about how he treated everyone generally. Toxic personalities find shelter in organizations run by people like Jeff.
Chapman is a top 3-4 most underrated player in the sport (I think Jose Ramirez is the most underrated) but it doesn't surprise me the A's aren't really listening on him. He's signed through 2023.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's more that comes out from the Wilpon era. I'm always surprised there isn't more outcry about Jeff himself just based on what's publicly known about how he treated everyone generally. Toxic personalities find shelter in organizations run by people like Jeff.
I don't think anybody would be. I wonder if Ellis is even fired if not for the ownership change Porter/Callaway stuff. I'm amazed the Callaway investigation is still ongoing.
Yeah. Our fearless leader probably rid of it.
@NYPost_Mets
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Corey Oswalt cleared waivers and has been outrighted to Triple-A. Brad Brach has been released..
2:29
I really don't understand the sudden rush to run J.D. Davis out of town after he hit .288/.370/.483 over the past two seasons. It feels like some Mets fans are just miffed that they "only" got Francisco Lindor as their main piece of the offseason and now think the team should make moves just to make them.
If they can get some kind of actual upgrade over Davis, I'm sure they'd be open to it, but I doubt they're banging down all 29 other teams' doors in frantic search of replacing a pretty decent player.
Cardboard Cutout
2:31
Can you explain the Mets' Pillar signing to me? Can't really play CF anymore and seems to fit a similar role to Almora. Also who now starts the season in AAA Almora or Martinez (assuming everyone is healthy of course)?
Steve Adams
2:31
My reaction to it was about the same as yours. I don't think he's an upgrade for them.
Steve Adams
2:36
Yeah, it's tough to see the Cards shelling out a three-year deal for him after Mozeliak's recent comments. Twins would probably give him a soft landing if he decides to settle for one year (Cards could too at that point), but the Mets, Angels and Blue Jays all seem likelier to me at this point.
We're also at the point of the offseason where players will start getting hurt early in camp; with a notable injury on the right contender, a fit we didn't give much consideration to could open up in a hurry.
He's saying with Almora already here and Pillar no longer a good CF that he's not a clear upgrade to their bench given what they have. They have Almora/Martinez/McNeil with OF experience as well as Davis. Pillar is a below-average offensive CO so if he's below average in CF now (as the numbers suggest), not much of a value to the team.
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Did he price himself completely out of the current market ??
Start adding up all these quarter-assed CF's and pretty soon you're spending real money.
But he's been a below-average CF since 2017. All due respect but I see a lot of people picking and choosing when to value 2020's "weird" season. I find it hard to believe Kevin Pillar at 32 suddenly became a solid offensive player (0 seasons league average with the bat before 2020) So sure, if he were still an above average CF AND an above average hitter.. he'd be a good starting CF. He's been below average with the glove for 3 seasons and below average with the bat his entire career outside of 2020 (a BABIP 40 points above his career mark)
Did he price himself completely out of the current market ??
Start adding up all these quarter-assed CF's and pretty soon you're spending real money.
Andy Martino claimed he was looking for "more than 5 years". The expectation is he lands back with the Red Sox (but not at more than 5 years).
more/better infield depth than OF depth.
more/better infield depth than OF depth.
Villar has some value if used correctly but if he's going to bury Guillorme, then I think they will live to regret it. He has plus bat to ball skills and a plus glove. He offers zero speed and very little power (despite being a decently hefty guy for the position) but he's the epitome of a player who would land with another team and perform. Is he good enough to be a regular? Who knows? But he's certainly talented enough where he should be given a legitimate chance. He's not a "fun to watch" young player. He's just very solid.
Obviously the big question is the glove but unlike Villar his defensive metrics are very noisy and it's not all bad. His sprint speed is exactly in line with his better years and he's still stealing bases. The defensive metric that regressed is "outfield jumps", and changing stadiums and playing different positions would seem to be a semi-justifiable reason for that to happen. Cross our fingers he likes Citi.
Everyone can pick apart a player like Pillar’s imperfections. Ideally, the Mets would be drafting and developing depth players, but they haven’t. Hopefully Lee is ready for next year. But they need the bench depth and the organizational depth to fill in in case of injuries.
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considering offense and defense is probably McNeil with Guillorme at 2B.
more/better infield depth than OF depth.
Villar has some value if used correctly but if he's going to bury Guillorme, then I think they will live to regret it. He has plus bat to ball skills and a plus glove. He offers zero speed and very little power (despite being a decently hefty guy for the position) but he's the epitome of a player who would land with another team and perform. Is he good enough to be a regular? Who knows? But he's certainly talented enough where he should be given a legitimate chance. He's not a "fun to watch" young player. He's just very solid.
I thought while not young by most definitions, Guillorme was fun to watch in that he was billed as an all glove no bat infielder.
So either he worked his ass off and his bat developed late or his 2020 BABIP (with a very SSS) of .463 created some fools gold (although his later minor league offensive #'s belie that definition too - even developed some pop in Syracuse - I thought he could be a juicing candidate just based on what I'd read).
Either way,I thought he was fun to watch just based on the expectations alone.
And I agree he should get a chance.
We should sign Odorizzi and Rosenthal though.
John Flanigan
@jflan816
That is now five Mets on MLB Network’s Top 100 list:
89. Brandon Nimmo
67. Dominic Smith
66. Pete Alonso
35. Jeff McNeil
34. Michael Conforto
deGrom and Lindor still to come.
Maybe the Dodgers have more? Yankees? Padres?
not many teams probably have 8 top 100 players.
Syndergaard maybe would have cracked the list if he was healthy too.
John Flanigan
@jflan816
That is now five Mets on MLB Network’s Top 100 list:
89. Brandon Nimmo
67. Dominic Smith
66. Pete Alonso
35. Jeff McNeil
34. Michael Conforto
deGrom and Lindor still to come.
Maybe the Dodgers have more? Yankees? Padres?
not many teams probably have 8 top 100 players.
Syndergaard maybe would have cracked the list if he was healthy too.
It heavily favors recency bias which is why Carrasco, Stroman, and Syndergaard are all off. But theoretically, with average career seasons, you could see each or any getting back into the 100 mix IMO. This is a real solid club.
Offseason has been what we have been dreaming for for years.
Now just need to re-sign all of our FA's
Back to Pillar - his highlights from 2019 look pretty good considering the negative metrics. And a bunch of them weren't just acrobatic, he was covering a lot of ground through gaps. I am one of the biggest proponents of defensive metrics generally speaking because I am a big proponent of defense and they are all we have but like most stats they likely aren't infallible. Not saying he's still as good as his best but I think it's possible if not likely he's going to be noticeably better than Nimmo.
Kevin Pillar's Incredible 2019 Catches - ( New Window )
I obviously like Chapman, but I'd rather not do that. But I probably would.
I do think though that trade (if it doesn't hurt the major league roster) makes the Mets even with the Dodgers.
an infield of Chapman, Lindor, McNeil and Alonso would be one of the best infields maybe ever. Is that hyperbole?
I obviously like Chapman, but I'd rather not do that. But I probably would.
I do think though that trade (if it doesn't hurt the major league roster) makes the Mets even with the Dodgers.
an infield of Chapman, Lindor, McNeil and Alonso would be one of the best infields maybe ever. Is that hyperbole?
It's really good and almost definitely best current but not sure how they'd rank all time. Even semi-recently Arod, Cano, Jeter, Texeira was probably still better.
I also appreciate the amount of home grown talent on this team and want to keep that trend.
surprised so many fans feel different.
What if the Mets do all these outlandish moves, blow up payroll, trade all their assets and still lose. Then what ?
I also appreciate the amount of home grown talent on this team and want to keep that trend.
surprised so many fans feel different.
What if the Mets do all these outlandish moves, blow up payroll, trade all their assets and still lose. Then what ?
I just want to fill the roster with the best depth available. Rich Hill and Brad Hand would almost definitely be Mets if I were GM and they'd cost you 0 prospects. Same with Kike Hernandez (or Marwin) instead of Villar. And they'd still be under the LTT I think.
I don't think this team needs another major move. They certainly don't need to force one and I'm glad they haven't. Just surprised they haven't shopped for some of the higher end role players. But if they get Rosenthal and Walker or Odorizzi I'll feel a lot better.
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sustainability, trading our best prospects defeats that.
I also appreciate the amount of home grown talent on this team and want to keep that trend.
surprised so many fans feel different.
What if the Mets do all these outlandish moves, blow up payroll, trade all their assets and still lose. Then what ?
I just want to fill the roster with the best depth available. Rich Hill and Brad Hand would almost definitely be Mets if I were GM and they'd cost you 0 prospects. Same with Kike Hernandez (or Marwin) instead of Villar. And they'd still be under the LTT I think.
I don't think this team needs another major move. They certainly don't need to force one and I'm glad they haven't. Just surprised they haven't shopped for some of the higher end role players. But if they get Rosenthal and Walker or Odorizzi I'll feel a lot better.
I fell you man, and I think Thor will be back sooner then we think, Rosenthal would be my final move but if he wants to close this wont be the place for him.
Just super excited about this season, covid needs to chill so we can get to Citi and really enjoy this new era. What a exciting time to be a NY Mets fan.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's more that comes out from the Wilpon era. I'm always surprised there isn't more outcry about Jeff himself just based on what's publicly known about how he treated everyone generally. Toxic personalities find shelter in organizations run by people like Jeff.
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Mets employee fired for being a creep.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's more that comes out from the Wilpon era. I'm always surprised there isn't more outcry about Jeff himself just based on what's publicly known about how he treated everyone generally. Toxic personalities find shelter in organizations run by people like Jeff.
I don't think anybody would be. I wonder if Ellis is even fired if not for the ownership change Porter/Callaway stuff. I'm amazed the Callaway investigation is still ongoing.