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Quote about Mahomes

Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:23 pm
I didn't catch who it was attributed to, but saw it in the Twitter feed somewhere below the video about the SB ring heist. It said the Mahomes you saw in the SB is the same Mahomes you would have seen every week if he was drafted by the Chicago Bears.

Just thought it was a great line and probably true.
Wait for it..  
Big Blue '56 : 2/16/2021 3:24 pm : link
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yea ok..  
Producer : 2/16/2021 3:24 pm : link
jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.
And, no, this doesn't mean he sucks  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:24 pm : link
or that he is only good because of the team he's on. He is super talented and would certainly have some moments on another team. But, it's a funny line.
RE: yea ok..  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15154501 Producer said:
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.
Trubisky? No. Just a funny line.
Haha, yea. Every bad quarterback is actually a really good quarterback  
widmerseyebrow : 2/16/2021 3:27 pm : link
who is down on his luck and stuck with a bad supporting cast.
If anything, it says more about OL play  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:28 pm : link
than Mahomes. It's a shame that the OL in the SB nowhere near resembled the OL he played behind all year.
The QB position requires protection  
Tuckrule : 2/16/2021 3:29 pm : link
No matter who you are with a 66 percent pressure rate you won’t look very good.
RE: The QB position requires protection  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15154511 Tuckrule said:
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No matter who you are with a 66 percent pressure rate you won’t look very good.
Exactly.
No one knows....  
Johnny5 : 2/16/2021 3:37 pm : link
... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?

It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
RE: yea ok..  
eric2425ny : 2/16/2021 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15154501 Producer said:
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.


I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.
RE: No one knows....  
Producer : 2/16/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15154526 Johnny5 said:
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?

It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?


he would have been a lot better than 11 TDs and 10 INTs.

I am very worried that our fan base doesn't understand how important the QB position is and will settle for mediocrity. We have people on here saying Jones is the same as Herbert. Every team in the league wants us to fail to evaluate the importance of the QB position and fail to evaluate who is a good QB.
RE: No one knows....  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15154526 Johnny5 said:
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?

It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
Exactly the point. So many here talk about nobody else trading up to take him like the Chiefs. But, why would anyone expect an MVP caliber Mahomes on this Giants team, with a horrible pass blocking OL and mediocre WRs, and a TE who can't catch or block and a so-so D to go along with it.

It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.
RE: RE: yea ok..  
Producer : 2/16/2021 3:42 pm : link
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.



I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.


And when the line came together Jones was still horrible. Jones has been an awful player. Stop with the excuses.
RE: RE: No one knows....  
Producer : 2/16/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15154530 Matt M. said:
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?

It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?

Exactly the point. So many here talk about nobody else trading up to take him like the Chiefs. But, why would anyone expect an MVP caliber Mahomes on this Giants team, with a horrible pass blocking OL and mediocre WRs, and a TE who can't catch or block and a so-so D to go along with it.

It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.


And they won the Super Bowl.. get it?

Matt,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/16/2021 3:44 pm : link
the perfect example here of what happens when you post an amusing line and nothing more. 😎
RE: Matt,  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15154535 Big Blue '56 said:
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the perfect example here of what happens when you post an amusing line and nothing more. 😎
So true. I almost added a disclaimer or context, but went against that. I knew you got it, but it's all good.
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Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:47 pm : link
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.



I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.



And when the line came together Jones was still horrible. Jones has been an awful player. Stop with the excuses.
When did the line come together in pass protection?
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eric2425ny : 2/16/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15154531 Producer said:
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.



I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.



And when the line came together Jones was still horrible. Jones has been an awful player. Stop with the excuses.


Its not excuses, it’s reality. Even when the line started blocking better the last half of the season we still had no weapons on offense. Unless you think featuring Engram and having a superstar running back like Gallman should have made Jones elite. If they bring in a few legit weapons this year and Jones looks like crap then he is a bust.
RE: RE: RE: No one knows....  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15154533 Producer said:
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?

It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?

Exactly the point. So many here talk about nobody else trading up to take him like the Chiefs. But, why would anyone expect an MVP caliber Mahomes on this Giants team, with a horrible pass blocking OL and mediocre WRs, and a TE who can't catch or block and a so-so D to go along with it.

It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.



And they won the Super Bowl.. get it?
Do you? THEY won the SB and went back because they were already among the best teams and added a top 5 QB. Most other teams adding him, or someone similar, are not instant SB contenders. Were the Giants a SB if they added him a few years back, for example?
The Bears OL...  
bw in dc : 2/16/2021 3:49 pm : link
currently was better than the OL the Chiefs used in the SB.

And I can imagine Mr. Robinson and Mahomes would be one of the best QB-WR combos in the NFL. No question.

So this premise is beyond stupid.

Doubtful  
bc4life : 2/16/2021 3:50 pm : link
You see Trubisky, or anyone else, making the throws that Mahomes does?
RE: yea ok..  
Johnny5 : 2/16/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15154501 Producer said:
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.

You are creating a different narrative than what I read from the OP.

Yes we all know Mahomes is a huge talent.
Yes he also needs a decent team to play on to win the SB.
No we still don't know (DON'T KNOW)what we have in Jones.

And I disagree with your Jones assessment with better OL play from your other post, he was looking like he was rounding into form when he hurt his hamstring. That was a huge setback.

Jones is who we have you might as well root for the guy. It's getting old seeing you guys bitch about him on every single thread.
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eric2425ny : 2/16/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15154542 Matt M. said:
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?

It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?

Exactly the point. So many here talk about nobody else trading up to take him like the Chiefs. But, why would anyone expect an MVP caliber Mahomes on this Giants team, with a horrible pass blocking OL and mediocre WRs, and a TE who can't catch or block and a so-so D to go along with it.

It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.



And they won the Super Bowl.. get it?


Do you? THEY won the SB and went back because they were already among the best teams and added a top 5 QB. Most other teams adding him, or someone similar, are not instant SB contenders. Were the Giants a SB if they added him a few years back, for example?


It’s no use Matt, some people forget that there are over 50 players on an NFL team. Having a great QB doesn’t mean you are always going to win. I thought all of those obsessed with having a top 5 QB on this board (at the expense of depleting the rest of the team by trading tons of draft picks, cough, Watson trade) would realize that after watching Mahomes run for his life in the SB when he had a depleted line in front of him.
Jon C...  
Brown_Hornet : 2/16/2021 4:04 pm : link
...pretty sure this is one of those, "just keep scrolling" threads you were talking about...~
RE: No one knows....  
Johnny5 : 2/16/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15154549 eric2425ny said:
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It’s no use Matt, some people forget that there are over 50 players on an NFL team. Having a great QB doesn’t mean you are always going to win. I thought all of those obsessed with having a top 5 QB on this board (at the expense of depleting the rest of the team by trading tons of draft picks, cough, Watson trade) would realize that after watching Mahomes run for his life in the SB when he had a depleted line in front of him.

Eric hadn't you heard? It was just a bad game for the Chiefs and especially Mahomes. It had nothing to do with the fact that Mike Remmers was the starting left tackle for the SB, inserted only 2 weeks prior when Fisher the starting tackle went down. Or that they had to shift 2 other positions as a result, including starting their LG at LT.

It was just a bad game for Mahomes. Happens.
RE: The Bears OL...  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15154543 bw in dc said:
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currently was better than the OL the Chiefs used in the SB.

And I can imagine Mr. Robinson and Mahomes would be one of the best QB-WR combos in the NFL. No question.

So this premise is beyond stupid.
It's a throw away line meant to just be funny. He could have chosen most other teams.
RE: Doubtful  
Matt M. : 2/16/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15154546 bc4life said:
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You see Trubisky, or anyone else, making the throws that Mahomes does?
Nobody said you would. The point was that he'd be running around for his life making some unreal throws that may or may not work out. Mahomes may not have played his best game, but he really wasn't as terrible as the stat line. He was under unreal pressure and had so many critical drops.
I didn't realize Mahomes played poorly in the Superbowl  
Hammer : 2/16/2021 5:05 pm : link
I thought he was magnificent under the circumstances.

I must have missed something.
In a vacuum  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 5:08 pm : link
Mahomes is NOT the best QB in the league.

Josh Allen is the better QB. He's more talented, more physically gifted, and just a better player.

Mahomes has the better supporting cast.

Josh Allen is the Best Player in the NFL. All things being equal, if you were starting an NFL team from scratch, you'd start with Josh Allen.
RE: Doubtful  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15154546 bc4life said:
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You see Trubisky, or anyone else, making the throws that Mahomes does?



Yes, Josh Allen does all the time.

In fact, Josh Allen makes throws that not even Mahomes can make.
RE: I didn't realize Mahomes played poorly in the Superbowl  
HonCiv6 : 2/16/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15154635 Hammer said:
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I thought he was magnificent under the circumstances.

I must have missed something.



Josh Allen in the AFC Title game

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Mahomes in the Super Bowl



Allen faced the same adversity in the AFC title game. Why doesn't anybody ever talk about that?
RE: RE: I didn't realize Mahomes played poorly in the Superbowl  
eric2425ny : 2/16/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15154642 HonCiv6 said:
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I thought he was magnificent under the circumstances.

I must have missed something.




Josh Allen in the AFC Title game

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Mahomes in the Super Bowl



Allen faced the same adversity in the AFC title game. Why doesn't anybody ever talk about that?


Let’s calm down Josh, that’s three posts in a row.
RE: In a vacuum  
Brown_Hornet : 2/16/2021 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15154639 HonCiv6 said:
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Mahomes is NOT the best QB in the league.

Josh Allen is the better QB. He's more talented, more physically gifted, and just a better player.

Mahomes has the better supporting cast.

Josh Allen is the Best Player in the NFL. All things being equal, if you were starting an NFL team from scratch, you'd start with Josh Allen.

Sincerely,

- Josh Allen's Mother.
Mahomes would be great wherever.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/16/2021 6:55 pm : link
But he walked into a perfect situation in KC.
Mahomes made three freakish plays in the super bowl  
eclipz928 : 2/16/2021 8:03 pm : link
that ended in the receiver dropping the ball. There may have been four or five drops total by the Chiefs in that game - the entire offense had an unnaturally bad game.

Yes, Mahomes walked in to a really great situation in Kansas City, but I think clearly the result you would expect when a great QB joins a great team is something like back to back SB appearances. A mediocre QB doesn't accomplish the same thing.
Mahomes in the Superbowl was still better than Trubisky ...  
FStubbs : 2/16/2021 9:25 pm : link
... so I don't see how that quote helps Trubisky any.

The quote is probably correct, though.

There's a reason Brady left New England, and a reason he chose Tampa Bay instead of, say, Jacksonville.
Did Josh Allen get a BBI handle?  
JOrthman : 2/16/2021 9:27 pm : link
That's a few threads today and multiple posts.
RE: RE: The Bears OL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/16/2021 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15154575 Matt M. said:
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currently was better than the OL the Chiefs used in the SB.

And I can imagine Mr. Robinson and Mahomes would be one of the best QB-WR combos in the NFL. No question.

So this premise is beyond stupid.


It's a throw away line meant to just be funny. He could have chosen most other teams.


LOL. You know how it goes around here. You post something just to show something humorous - and even say so very early on, but it doesn't keep the morons from piling on. It doesn't keep jacknuts like Producer to use it to bash Jones. It doesn't keep the newest troll who jacksoff to Josh Allen from hijacking the thread with multiple posts.

Each thread is just a doorway to push an agenda.

I got what you were doing. Too bad it is lost in a sea of fucking idiocy.
I think the point is valid and understated.  
Grizz99 : 2/17/2021 4:29 am : link
I always think of guys like Steve Young and Vinny Testeverde.

Young is considered a bust. He played in the continental league and spent frustrating years with the very unsuccessful Tampa team. He comes to San Fran and he's an immortal, HOF'er and in the conversation for the best ever.
Same guy, same talent and effort that produced "bust" at Tampa.
Testeverde followed the same path.. a reject at Tampa, Parcells gets him for nothing and he's suddenly good.
You could repeat the story in a thousand ways and then you have the kid who won at NE when Brady went down. Absent the fine supporting cast he never duplicated his apparant brilliance.
K.C. made the playoffs with Alex Smith. Then they added Spags who changed and upgraded the defense. Mahomes stepped into a very nice situation. That doesn't mean he wasn't brilliant, but every diamond profits from a fine setting and won't shine as bright if it's set in lead as platinum. And on the other hand glass won't shine even it' set in gold.
Football is The ultimate team sport, the interdependence is complete. That's all the OP wanted to say and it's virtually inarguable.
Modern discourse is being paralyzed by internet subtexts  
cosmicj : 2/17/2021 6:18 am : link
I’ll put it more logically so this infantilism can stop.

All QBs are affected by their supporting cast

Does NOT mean

All QBs are created equal and have the same amount of talent

There. After all the whataboutism, we have a simple statement that everyone can agree with.
I think the Mahomes I witnessed most of the year would have  
chick310 : 2/17/2021 8:48 am : link
actually brightened up the Chicago offense quite a bit with a top WR like Allen Robinson that everybody here would love, a versatile running back like David Montgomery, and a pretty decent veteran/rookie combination at Tight End with Jimmy Graham and Cole Kmet.

That quoted line in the OP may have been used for an alternative purpose, but would actually suggest Mahomes' eye-popping game might be pretty damn eye-popping on Chicago and some other middling teams too.

That quote is beyond idiotic.  
Section331 : 2/17/2021 9:12 am : link
Put Mahomes on the Bears, and they're SB contenders.
Pressure is a valid excuse to an extent  
NINEster : 2/17/2021 1:55 pm : link
but do recall that in last year's SB, Garoppolo was facing a ton of inside pressure late in the game that handicapped that offense severely. And nobody batted an eye, and just assumed he sucked and pressure was there because he just held onto the ball, or couldn't "create" like Mahomes with his throws while his body is parallel to the ground.

Mahomes faced some outside pressure in this SB, but not a ton inside from what I can recall. The short passing game was just non existent from what I can see.

If Mahomes is to receive any blame for this effort, maybe it wasn't for trying to adjust the game plan to deal with the situation. Tampa has a very good but not suffocating defense.

I remember when Rodgers first played in Seattle against Pete Carroll, he was sacked like 7 times in the first half. In the second half they switched the game plan and he didn't get hit anywhere as much (Fail Mary game).

I do believe if Mahomes truly is the best QB in the league, that the Chiefs should have come up with a game plan that was more game manager-ish, then let him take his shot plays from time to time.


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