I didn't catch who it was attributed to, but saw it in the Twitter feed somewhere below the video about the SB ring heist. It said the Mahomes you saw in the SB is the same Mahomes you would have seen every week if he was drafted by the Chicago Bears.
Just thought it was a great line and probably true.
It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.
It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
he would have been a lot better than 11 TDs and 10 INTs.
I am very worried that our fan base doesn't understand how important the QB position is and will settle for mediocrity. We have people on here saying Jones is the same as Herbert. Every team in the league wants us to fail to evaluate the importance of the QB position and fail to evaluate who is a good QB.
It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.
I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.
And when the line came together Jones was still horrible. Jones has been an awful player. Stop with the excuses.
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?
It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
Exactly the point. So many here talk about nobody else trading up to take him like the Chiefs. But, why would anyone expect an MVP caliber Mahomes on this Giants team, with a horrible pass blocking OL and mediocre WRs, and a TE who can't catch or block and a so-so D to go along with it.
It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.
And they won the Super Bowl.. get it?
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In comment 15154501 Producer said:
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.
I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.
And when the line came together Jones was still horrible. Jones has been an awful player. Stop with the excuses.
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In comment 15154501 Producer said:
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jesus guy has one bad game and now he's Trubisky. Can't make this shit up.
I don’t think they are comparing him to Trubisky at all. He actually played pretty well in the SB considering he was running for his life and making insane sidearm passes like 40 yards downfield to try to keep the game alive. The point is if he had a shitty line all the time he wouldn’t be lighting up the stat sheet every week. I’m not saying Jones is anywhere near as good as Mahomes, but he has also had a bad line for at least his first season and a half and has practically no weapons to throw to. You put Jones on the Chiefs with Hill, Kelce, and their typical non injury depleted line and they are a playoff team even without Mahomes.
And when the line came together Jones was still horrible. Jones has been an awful player. Stop with the excuses.
Its not excuses, it’s reality. Even when the line started blocking better the last half of the season we still had no weapons on offense. Unless you think featuring Engram and having a superstar running back like Gallman should have made Jones elite. If they bring in a few legit weapons this year and Jones looks like crap then he is a bust.
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?
It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
Exactly the point. So many here talk about nobody else trading up to take him like the Chiefs. But, why would anyone expect an MVP caliber Mahomes on this Giants team, with a horrible pass blocking OL and mediocre WRs, and a TE who can't catch or block and a so-so D to go along with it.
It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.
And they won the Super Bowl.. get it?
And I can imagine Mr. Robinson and Mahomes would be one of the best QB-WR combos in the NFL. No question.
So this premise is beyond stupid.
You are creating a different narrative than what I read from the OP.
Yes we all know Mahomes is a huge talent.
Yes he also needs a decent team to play on to win the SB.
No we still don't know (DON'T KNOW)what we have in Jones.
And I disagree with your Jones assessment with better OL play from your other post, he was looking like he was rounding into form when he hurt his hamstring. That was a huge setback.
Jones is who we have you might as well root for the guy. It's getting old seeing you guys bitch about him on every single thread.
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In comment 15154526 Johnny5 said:
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... exactly How much is scheme, how much is OL, how much is talent around you. It's pretty clear all of those things add up to what makes you successful. Look at Andrew Luck. Clearly a great QB... but what did he ever win on Indy?
It's obtuse to think that Mahomes would have been the exact same guy on another team. Imagine him on the Giants?
Exactly the point. So many here talk about nobody else trading up to take him like the Chiefs. But, why would anyone expect an MVP caliber Mahomes on this Giants team, with a horrible pass blocking OL and mediocre WRs, and a TE who can't catch or block and a so-so D to go along with it.
It's like last year when we kept reading "the KC model" of trading up for their QB. But, they were a fucking playoff team the year before. They added an all world talent at QB to one of the best teams in the league already.
And they won the Super Bowl.. get it?
Do you? THEY won the SB and went back because they were already among the best teams and added a top 5 QB. Most other teams adding him, or someone similar, are not instant SB contenders. Were the Giants a SB if they added him a few years back, for example?
It’s no use Matt, some people forget that there are over 50 players on an NFL team. Having a great QB doesn’t mean you are always going to win. I thought all of those obsessed with having a top 5 QB on this board (at the expense of depleting the rest of the team by trading tons of draft picks, cough, Watson trade) would realize that after watching Mahomes run for his life in the SB when he had a depleted line in front of him.
It’s no use Matt, some people forget that there are over 50 players on an NFL team. Having a great QB doesn’t mean you are always going to win. I thought all of those obsessed with having a top 5 QB on this board (at the expense of depleting the rest of the team by trading tons of draft picks, cough, Watson trade) would realize that after watching Mahomes run for his life in the SB when he had a depleted line in front of him.
Eric hadn't you heard? It was just a bad game for the Chiefs and especially Mahomes. It had nothing to do with the fact that Mike Remmers was the starting left tackle for the SB, inserted only 2 weeks prior when Fisher the starting tackle went down. Or that they had to shift 2 other positions as a result, including starting their LG at LT.
It was just a bad game for Mahomes. Happens.
And I can imagine Mr. Robinson and Mahomes would be one of the best QB-WR combos in the NFL. No question.
So this premise is beyond stupid.
I must have missed something.
Josh Allen is the better QB. He's more talented, more physically gifted, and just a better player.
Mahomes has the better supporting cast.
Josh Allen is the Best Player in the NFL. All things being equal, if you were starting an NFL team from scratch, you'd start with Josh Allen.
Yes, Josh Allen does all the time.
In fact, Josh Allen makes throws that not even Mahomes can make.
I must have missed something.
Josh Allen in the AFC Title game
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Mahomes in the Super Bowl
Allen faced the same adversity in the AFC title game. Why doesn't anybody ever talk about that?
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I thought he was magnificent under the circumstances.
I must have missed something.
Josh Allen in the AFC Title game
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Mahomes in the Super Bowl
Allen faced the same adversity in the AFC title game. Why doesn't anybody ever talk about that?
Let’s calm down Josh, that’s three posts in a row.
Josh Allen is the better QB. He's more talented, more physically gifted, and just a better player.
Mahomes has the better supporting cast.
Josh Allen is the Best Player in the NFL. All things being equal, if you were starting an NFL team from scratch, you'd start with Josh Allen.
Sincerely,
- Josh Allen's Mother.
Yes, Mahomes walked in to a really great situation in Kansas City, but I think clearly the result you would expect when a great QB joins a great team is something like back to back SB appearances. A mediocre QB doesn't accomplish the same thing.
The quote is probably correct, though.
There's a reason Brady left New England, and a reason he chose Tampa Bay instead of, say, Jacksonville.
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currently was better than the OL the Chiefs used in the SB.
And I can imagine Mr. Robinson and Mahomes would be one of the best QB-WR combos in the NFL. No question.
So this premise is beyond stupid.
It's a throw away line meant to just be funny. He could have chosen most other teams.
LOL. You know how it goes around here. You post something just to show something humorous - and even say so very early on, but it doesn't keep the morons from piling on. It doesn't keep jacknuts like Producer to use it to bash Jones. It doesn't keep the newest troll who jacksoff to Josh Allen from hijacking the thread with multiple posts.
Each thread is just a doorway to push an agenda.
I got what you were doing. Too bad it is lost in a sea of fucking idiocy.
Young is considered a bust. He played in the continental league and spent frustrating years with the very unsuccessful Tampa team. He comes to San Fran and he's an immortal, HOF'er and in the conversation for the best ever.
Same guy, same talent and effort that produced "bust" at Tampa.
Testeverde followed the same path.. a reject at Tampa, Parcells gets him for nothing and he's suddenly good.
You could repeat the story in a thousand ways and then you have the kid who won at NE when Brady went down. Absent the fine supporting cast he never duplicated his apparant brilliance.
K.C. made the playoffs with Alex Smith. Then they added Spags who changed and upgraded the defense. Mahomes stepped into a very nice situation. That doesn't mean he wasn't brilliant, but every diamond profits from a fine setting and won't shine as bright if it's set in lead as platinum. And on the other hand glass won't shine even it' set in gold.
Football is The ultimate team sport, the interdependence is complete. That's all the OP wanted to say and it's virtually inarguable.
All QBs are affected by their supporting cast
Does NOT mean
All QBs are created equal and have the same amount of talent
There. After all the whataboutism, we have a simple statement that everyone can agree with.
That quoted line in the OP may have been used for an alternative purpose, but would actually suggest Mahomes' eye-popping game might be pretty damn eye-popping on Chicago and some other middling teams too.
Mahomes faced some outside pressure in this SB, but not a ton inside from what I can recall. The short passing game was just non existent from what I can see.
If Mahomes is to receive any blame for this effort, maybe it wasn't for trying to adjust the game plan to deal with the situation. Tampa has a very good but not suffocating defense.
I remember when Rodgers first played in Seattle against Pete Carroll, he was sacked like 7 times in the first half. In the second half they switched the game plan and he didn't get hit anywhere as much (Fail Mary game).
I do believe if Mahomes truly is the best QB in the league, that the Chiefs should have come up with a game plan that was more game manager-ish, then let him take his shot plays from time to time.