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Reasons why the Giants should draft an OT in Round 1

gogiants : 2/16/2021 5:38 pm
To me the offense needs the most help and that sentiment was expressed by John Mara.

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"I think we certainly need to help our offense a little bit this offseason, be it free agency and the draft," Mara said. "I think we need some more pieces there. Part of the problem that we had is we had a brand new offensive line with new guys playing new positions. They had never played together before, we had no offseason, we had no preseason games for them to get to know each other and get the feel for playing with one another, and they struggled, particularly early in the year, no question about it. I thought they started to play better in the second half of the season. But there's no question that we need to help our offense going forward and add some more pieces. That will be a priority for us."


If talking offense to me the offensive line needs the most help. Here are ten reasons to draft an offensive tackle at pick 11.

1. Daniel Jones had the fourth most sacks and fourth highest pressure percentage in the league. Of the 12 highest sacked quarterbacks only Russell Wilson had a winning record. When asked if he ws frustrated by the Seahawks, Wilson responded that he was frustrated about getting hit too much Jones is going into year three of his four year rookie contract. He needs to be protected for a valid evaluation in his remaining rookie contract years. Even Mahomes produced poorly behind a bad line in the SB.

2. Right Tackle Cameron Fleming allowed the sixth most pressures in the league.

3. Left Tackle Andrew Thomas allowed 57 pressures, 14 more than any other player at the position. He was the only left tackle that allowed 10 sacks.

4. In 2019 Nate Solder posted the worst PFF grade of his career at 64.8 overall, as he allowed a league-high 56 pressures while ranking just 70th out of 89 qualifiers with a 52.9 run-blocking grade. He returns from a year off.

5. Pro Football Focus ranked the 2020 teams for each team’s pass rushing grade. The other three teams in the NFC East all came in the top ten. At profootballreference.com the Eagles were 2nd in pressure % and Washington was 9th in 2020.

6. ESPN analysis put the Giants 2020 Pass Block Win Rate as last in the league. The pass block win rate metric conveys the rate linemen can sustain their blocks for 2.5 seconds or longer. The Giants had a 46% rate.

7. The 2020 rushing yards before contact stat had the Giant’s Wayne Gallman at 28th out of 47 qualifying backs. His yards before contact was 2.2 yards and he had the best amount on the Giants.

8. As reported by PFF, quarterback Daniel Jones had a PFF grade of 91.5 when kept clean in 2020 but 46.9 when pressured.

9. If going by sacks the offensive line did no better in the second half of the season. Daniel Jones was sacked the fifth most in the league in both the first half season (23) and the second(22). This though he played only 6 games in the second half and eight in the first half.

10. PFF ranked Giants 2020 offensive line 31st in the league.


Give me Rashawn Slater or Christian Darrisaw at pick 11.
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RE: RE: Let's do a quick survey of OTs drafted by DG.  
chick310 : 2/17/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15155017 chopperhatch said:
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Taylor Moton 34.1
Daryl Williams 35.0
Matt Peart 36.6
Andrew Thomas 36.1

So people really think DG will spend the 11th overall pick on Slater with his ~ 32 inch long arms?

I'll bet a dinner for four at Drew's Bayshore Bistro in Keport NJ on it, that DG DOESN'T draft an OT at 11 not named Penei Sewell.

Any takers?



I guess you have totally ruled him out being drafted to start at LG and be insurance at Tackle? Because thats a player worth taking at 11.


It most certainly would be. The bet might be worth taking if I thought more about the Giants scouting prowess and the company at dinner :-)

Wouldn't think that Gettleman goes OL at #11 either but linking  
Jimmy Googs : 2/17/2021 9:44 am : link
that view with arm length is a bit of a stretch...



RE: RE: RE: Does anyone remember the Dallas CowboysOL of the 90's?  
anon837 : 2/17/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15155089 short lease said:
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In comment 15155041 short lease said:


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I do ... I bet "what's his name" does (I think he is in the HOF right now) and his running back does.

I want that.


That unit was great. The bulk of them were late rounds and UDFA. Larry Allen I believe was a second-round or 3rd round pick. Tuinei was on defense I believe at the start. This team can definitely get to that point. This off-season was an anomaly. I do believe they need depth and competition, but they also need time and proper coaching. Let's see what they together at the start of camp. You need high-functioning players, which can also be found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. You can't keep adding premium resources to the line and then neglecting everywhere else. This team has holes everywhere and BPA (or trading down) is the way to go at 11.




They were not all late rounds ...
I thought I read that when Jimmy Johnson traded Herschel to Minnesota for like 3-4 early round piscks - Dallas picked up 2 1st round choices, 2 2nd round choices, and 2 3rd round choices .... and they used a lot of those picks to build the greatest (arguably) OL in history.


That is what I want.

These are the guys I was referring to:
Mark Tuinei - Undrafted 1983
Erik Williams - 3rd RD pick 1991
Nate Newton - Drafted USFL but undrafted FA 1983 favorite out of them all
Mark Stepnoski - 3rd round 1989
John Gesek 10th RD 1987
Kevin Gogan - 8th Rd 1987
Larry Allen - 2nd 1994 Probably the best out of them all

They all weren't drafted by the Cowboys, but the fact remains you can get high level play from your line no matter where you are drafted. The young guys will need some time together and an actual off-season. You don't have to spend high resources all the time. Sewell would be great, but you can't always get that type of player.
RE: RE: RE: Peart never left the bench Week 17  
fireitup77 : 2/17/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15154821 shyster said:
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Are you aware he hurt his ankle?



The ankle was not on the injury report weeks 15, 16, 17.


From nfl.com. week 16

"In other news, tight end Evan Engram (calf), defensive back Darnay Holmes (knee), offensive lineman Matt Peart (ankle) and receiver Golden Tate (calf) were limited in practice. New York also designated linebacker Kyler Fackrell (calf) to return to practice; Fackrell was placed on injured reserve earlier in this month and has missed the last three games."
you can disagree with it  
djm : 2/17/2021 10:54 am : link
but look at how the Giants operate over the years. They are extremely loyal, sometimes to a fault, to relatively high draft picks. What makes Peart kind of hard to predict is he's a 3rd round pick, which is right on the cusp of a premium pick. But based on NYG history and how the operate, and based on last year and how Peart looked, one would think the Giants want to give Peart every chance to succeed at RT. Even if they aren't madly in love with Peart, they likely aren't exactly down on him either. Add it all up, throw in that the Giants probably like Thomas, they aren't drafting a tackle in round 1.

They will draft a guy who impacts playmaking in round 1. Be it edge or WR or corner.
Name the great players on the Giants  
arniefez : 2/17/2021 10:56 am : link
impact players the other team has to worry about. At any position. You could argue Barkley. He was great in 2018 but now he's coming off two serious ankle and knee injuries.

There isn't another great player on the roster. Draft a great player.
RE: Let's do a quick survey of OTs drafted by DG.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/17/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15154983 BelieveJJ said:
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Taylor Moton 34.1
Daryl Williams 35.0
Matt Peart 36.6
Andrew Thomas 36.1

So people really think DG will spend the 11th overall pick on Slater with his ~ 32 inch long arms?

I'll bet a dinner for four at Drew's Bayshore Bistro in Keport NJ on it, that DG DOESN'T draft an OT at 11 not named Penei Sewell.

Any takers?

What an oddly specific restaurant choice for someone who joined here in November.

How are you Lou? Anyone overcook your steak lately?
10 reasons?  
short lease : 2/17/2021 12:24 pm : link


You had me at "Hello" .... Game wins come from the trenches. We are not there yet.

You want to make it through the play-offs to the SB - you have to own the LOS. Everybody will say "Yes ... of course that is right !!!"""

But. it seems like everyone forgets right around draft time


But, only if the talent exists.
Talent only goes so far  
cznmike : 2/19/2021 9:39 am : link
Coaches... there are many teams in the NFL that go through less than stellar replacements due to injuries as the season progresses. Look at a lot of the playoff teams this year that were using makeshift lines- including the Chiefs (which yes, did prove that missing your starting tackles in the SB is not a good thing, but they still got there is my point).

The Giants haven't had a truly good OL coach since the last two Super Bowls that they won. They could run the ball which allowed Eli to use play action to get the ball to them.

I've seen several OL leave the Giants and although they may never become HOF talent, they've been starters and are obviously better than when they were Giants.

only if Penei Sewell is there  
xtian : 2/19/2021 2:37 pm : link
that's a slam dunk, otherwise, no way unless we trade down once or twice into the 20s. round 2 would be okay, but still not probable.

appreciate the post though.
You have to really hit a home run in the draft  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/19/2021 2:55 pm : link
if the goal is to prevent the QB from getting sacked right away next year

Rookie tackles are not the answer to that question unless you find an Ogden, Pace, or McKinnie.

RE: You have to really hit a home run in the draft  
Judge_and_Jury : 2/19/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15157332 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if the goal is to prevent the QB from getting sacked right away next year

Rookie tackles are not the answer to that question unless you find an Ogden, Pace, or McKinnie.


Agreed pick up a vet at RT if possible like Daryl Williams. won't be as expensive as Moton or Trent Williams.
Sign Matt Feiler  
JonC : 2/19/2021 3:40 pm : link
trying to go with younger, ascending players.
RE: Sign Matt Feiler  
Judge_and_Jury : 2/19/2021 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15157370 JonC said:
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trying to go with younger, ascending players.


Matt Fieler has played LG and played it well. PFF estimates his contract would be around $6million annually.

Waive Zietler for a 12.5 mill savings sign Fieler to play LG or RG and Daryl Williams for RT.

Daryl Williams was estimated at 3 yrs/31 million in this market.

Feiler played RT in 2019  
JonC : 2/19/2021 3:48 pm : link
Williams would be more of a stop-gap, they could go either way. His injuries are a concern.
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