It seems clear that he will be traded in the next few weeks, either the Bears or Colts. As a division rival, what is the preference of what the Eagles end up doing?
I personally think Wentz is far more talented that Hurts. He had a mvp type year in 2017 and was a huge reason that team earned the top seed in the NFC. He since battled injuries, but still led the Eagles to the division title in 2019 with a lousy supporting cast. I think Wentz still has talent, and probably just needs a change of scenery.
I don’t find anything about Hurts special. He did not impress me at the end of the season.
So, as a Giant fan I’d prefer Wentz out of the division. I still think he has the stronger upside if everything were to click. I just don’t see a huge upside for Hurts.
I hope Wentz is gone, the Eagles take a cap hit and get scraps for draft picks.
Hopefully for Giants, Eagles don't get too much for Wentz and/or Hurts doesn't wind up being the guy for them. It would be nice to have the Eagles struggle for a few years.
Don't have a read yet on Jalen Hurts. Have seen some good and some not so good.
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Philly. He can do what Wentz can, but better and healthier.
Philly should have (and could have) seen this coming years ago.
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Is he their future? No idea, but Wentz is really an injury waiting to happen. Pretty fragile and though chronologically young, I believe he’s seen better days no matter who He plays for next season, imho.
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Philly. He can do what Wentz can, but better and healthier.
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Name any team that operates this way. And I partly agree that teams need to stop thinking they can just get a 10 year starter, but until we see that trend drastically shift it just isn’t realistic.
But somehow they always get bailed out
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Philly. He can do what Wentz can, but better and healthier.
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Typically I’d say this could never happen, but the Eagles did win it with Foles + Wentz coming off a brutal injury. A move like that presents incredible risk though, so it’s hard to foresee any team making a move like it. If it doesn’t work or Wentz flourishes elsewhere, everyone is fired. But, the Eagles had Foles to help sell the move.
Ironically, the Ravens traded up with the Eagles to draft Lamar.
I don’t. I think there’s a ton of risk associated to scrapping something this important cold turkey. It can also really hurt the culture of a team to know even when things are going good you still won’t take care of your own/will toss a player away on what can be described as a whim. It’s basically turnover above all else which I think has a very short shelf life, and no guarantee of working.
I don’t really subscribe to the “cover your ass” theory as ownership would have to bless something like this to happen anyway.
A third of the NFL churns out head coaches every year. Most HC’s get 2, 3 years top to win, and if not they are fired. The cycle just goes on and on. The general manager tends to have a longer shelf life, probably because they can blame the head coach for lack of success.
For ballsy moves like this to happen, there needs to be a lockstep, long term approach from owner to general manager to head coach - an understanding that everyone is there long term. No blame games, no hidden agendas. Most importantly, not getting influenced by the fans. If the players revolt? The players get shipped out. Everyone needs to be on the same page.
I just don’t think that happens. Once the losing starts, it is human nature to protect your desk.
This year, he just tried too hard and couldn't stop trying to make the "hero" play. I thought his fundamentals got all screwed up and he contracted the yips. And the team paid a big price. Which led to all of the dissension inside the team. So it it probably the right time to end the relationship.
I have no idea what to expect now from Sirianni as a first time HC and haven't been impressed with Hurts. So the Eagles seem like they are in no man's land right now.
Yea, I don't understand how anyone could not be impressed by Hurts. His first full start was against the Saints who had a top 3 defense. He got the win for the Eagles while helping them score the most points they had in 7 weeks. Then the following two games he threw for 300 yds and rushed for 60 yards in each before getting pulled for the tank job in the final game. You couldn't ask a rookie to do more than that on a offense that most of us were saying was completely devoid of healthy talent when Wentz was the starter.
This year, he just tried too hard and couldn't stop trying to make the "hero" play. I thought his fundamentals got all screwed up and he contracted the yips. And the team paid a big price. Which led to all of the dissension inside the team. So it it probably the right time to end the relationship.
I have no idea what to expect now from Sirianni as a first time HC and haven't been impressed with Hurts. So the Eagles seem like they are in no man's land right now.
Not comparing them, but you really have selective reasoning..You say that DJ took a step back in ‘20 from his ‘19 rookie season. Yet, you make all kinds of excuses for Wentz in ‘20, but have no problem harkening back to the year before (‘19)..
DJ just 25 games in, regressed and gets no credit for ‘19..Wentz regressed, gets all kinds of excuses, but it’s ok to go back to the year before..And please, no give me Wentz’ career in the main, that’s not relevant to your points.
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If you look back at 2019, he did a helluva job rallying a decimated team to a division title. They won the last four games - essentially all of December was playoff mode - and Wentz was the driver. He completed 67% of his passes, 7 TDs/0 INTs, and almost 7 YPA throwing to Boston Scott, Greg Ward, Josh Perkins, Dallas Goedert, etc.
This year, he just tried too hard and couldn't stop trying to make the "hero" play. I thought his fundamentals got all screwed up and he contracted the yips. And the team paid a big price. Which led to all of the dissension inside the team. So it it probably the right time to end the relationship.
I have no idea what to expect now from Sirianni as a first time HC and haven't been impressed with Hurts. So the Eagles seem like they are in no man's land right now.
Not comparing them, but you really have selective reasoning..You say that DJ took a step back in ‘20 from his ‘19 rookie season. Yet, you make all kinds of excuses for Wentz in ‘20, but have no problem harkening back to the year before (‘19)..
DJ just 25 games in, regressed and gets no credit for ‘19..Wentz regressed, gets all kinds of excuses, but it’s ok to go back to the year before..And please, no give me Wentz’ career in the main, that’s not relevant to your points.
What excuses am I making for Wentz's decline in '20? I am describing how I thought his season went.
When Jones can put together seasons like Wentz, and show an MVP level and ability to drag a team to the playoffs, let's re-open the discussion.
I said Wentz tried to play "hero" ball. His fundamentals suffered and he struggled to make reads. And the Eagles paid the price for Wentz's play. Where is the excuse?
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prior to my comment afterwards. You make excuses for Wentz’ ‘20 and laud his ‘19..Yet you harp on DJ’s “regression” this year, but give no credit for his rookie year..As far as you’ve been concerned, it’s his LATEST year that matters now..Not so with Wentz..
I said Wentz tried to play "hero" ball. His fundamentals suffered and he struggled to make reads. And the Eagles paid the price for Wentz's play. Where is the excuse?
Ok and I say, DJ, flaws and all, was moving the chains pre-injury without Barkley and questionable receivers and then lost what allowed for his effectiveness, his mobility, so when he returned he essentially was operating on one wheel. THAT more than anything contributed to his lack of effective post injury. Yet, you never acknowledged that clear factor. In its stead you harped on his flaws.
But somehow, you acknowledge this “hero” thing as contributing to his problems..
You don’t see the point here?
He may or may not have. Irrelevant to the point I’m making..
I think Mark S would slap the shit out off you..:)
Has Jones shown that ability?
Still, we’ll see what ‘21 brings..
Wentz had a bad year last year. The previous three years, he was very, very good. But Hurts is less expensive even if he sucks (which he did against Washington, he was terrible) so why take a chance- get rid of Wentz and roll the dice with cheap Hurts who maybe gets hot and wins the division. What the hell, WFT won the division and they barely had a qb.
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You're right. No one does. Why do you think that is? Personally I think it's due in part to a culture of poor performance at the ownership/front office levels around the league. Covering your own ass under an impetuous owner takes precedence over strategic long range planning.
I don’t. I think there’s a ton of risk associated to scrapping something this important cold turkey. It can also really hurt the culture of a team to know even when things are going good you still won’t take care of your own/will toss a player away on what can be described as a whim. It’s basically turnover above all else which I think has a very short shelf life, and no guarantee of working.
I don’t really subscribe to the “cover your ass” theory as ownership would have to bless something like this to happen anyway.
I'm not sure about that.
1. What's the bigger risk? Paying a huge contract to an injured QB without whom you won the Super Bowl anyway, or going to a talented first round QB on a rookie contract?
2. I don't buy the culture argument with regards to turning over the roster. The average roster turns over every 3-4 years as it is. Each player is his own CEO, and is going to do what works best for him. Also, didn't we just see a team with a lot of mercenaries (Brady, Gronk, Fournette, Brown, Suh off the top of my head) win the Super Bowl?
It's the same thing people were saying when the Pats cut Lawyer Milloy - it was BS then and it's BS now. Players follow two things: money and winning (in party because winning leads to more money).
And that year still kind of stunk.
Until something like relegation happens, and it likely never will, you aren’t going to get what you want.
Not winning a title matters a lot more to fans than the owners. To varying degrees depending on the owner but as long as they are making that money I genuinely think they don’t really care if they have a 6 win team or not. And the NFL is built to make it hard to have a dynasty so you are always 1 great draft pick away, sometimes be sheer dumb luck, to having a title run.
Until something like relegation happens, and it likely never will, you aren’t going to get what you want.
You are likely right here. Owners know their direct costs every year, can lock it in, and everyone makes money. All under the guise of "competitive balance", which is a euphemism for making money hand over fist, win or lose. What a system.
And as long as the players keep falling for the banana in the tailpipe with this hard cap system, which actually hurts players contracts because there are teams who would spend even MORE for players (Dallas, Seattle, etc), it's not going to change for a long time.
Still, we’ll see what ‘21 brings..
I agree that Wentz was horrible. But he has equity built up because he's played well in prior years and has done some good things with subpar talent.
Has Jones shown that ability?
That's also Wentz in year 4 if his career. .let's see how DJ does in year 3 of his.
The Eagles org is a mess. The lack of communication at the top with Lurie, Roseman and Pederson was comical at the end of the season was laughable and the coach they hired can barely speak.
Wentz is not worth one first round pick, let alone two. The fact that the Eagles have allowed it to be known they basically want to rid themselves of Wentz eliminates their leverage...oh and he has not been a good QB in multiple seasons. What made him special in ‘17 has been gone since his injury. At best I think they get a 2nd rounder this year and a third next year or nothing at all. My bet is on nothing.
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He would win GM of the year EVERY year. They would just call it the Go Terps award.
At NFL awards ceremony:
.. And the Go Terps award goes to.. (drum roll).. Go Terps! For the 15th year in a row!
(from the audience: "give someone else a chance, Go Terps!")
And if Phila does manage to trade him, you know they'll get at least 2 first rounders back for him, because that is what Philadelphia does... finds sucker teams to way overpay for their hot garbage china doll QBs.
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I think Mark S would slap the shit out off you..:)
I grew up on a dairy farm and the cows would often have cow shit on their tails and they would often swing their tails to swat flies off their backs. Sometimes as they swung their tails, shit would fly off and hit one of us; sometimes in the face and I would wish someone would slap the shit off me. Those were the days.
He obviously has talent. He basically needs a good therapist/sports psychologist.
I think Wentz can do well, and a fresh start is good for him. I think Eagles are better off with him then Hurts, so I think the Eagles will be back at the QB decision point again soon.
Hurts was replaced by Tua. Tua isn't proving to be amazing at the NFL. Both have ability but not Mahomes ability or anything.